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Title: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: matteo on June 18, 2018, 02:53:05 PM
I'm told the Boston Celtics are giving strong considering to bring over Euro star Brad Wanamaker - MVP of the Turkish finals with Fenerbahce. Other NBA teams with interest: ORL, BRK, PHI and MIA.

https://twitter.com/iamdpick/status/1008782007906852865?s=21
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: celticinorlando on June 18, 2018, 02:56:22 PM
Cheap replacement for Larkin?

Camp invite?

We all through Theis was not even a legit option when he was brought over...turned out to be pretty important.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2018, 03:17:43 PM
He was mentioned as a possibility last year before we went with Larkin.  A Theis-style deal (year 1 guaranteed, year 2 unguaranteed) seems like the most likely possibility if he did ultimately sign.  Heís not coming back just for a training camp invite.

With the success and roles of both Larkin and Theis last year, I imagine the Celtics would get serious consideration from players trying to make the jump to the NBA, assuming the contracts were equal.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: detour on June 18, 2018, 04:10:51 PM
FenerbahÁe fan here, just a little bit info on Wanamaker:

Pros: He can do a little bit of everything, good finisher with contact under the rim, decent shooter, can drive & kick and find open man, very strong frame, can stay in front of all Euro guards, had a great year under the tutelage of the greatest Euro coach ever, doesn't crumble under the pressure and performs at big games

Cons: Not a great decision maker - he settled for too many mid-range shots although he can bulldoze his way to the rim in Europe, not great athletically at the NBA level, mediocre P&R vision (can't thread the needle to the roll man), he is very emotionless which can be a problem for a bench guy if you want energy from him

All in all, I believe he is a better player than Larkin without a doubt. The question is if he's the guy Stevens and Celtics needs. I'd be really sad to see him go as he always produced at Euroleague games, he contributes even when it's not his day.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 18, 2018, 04:19:58 PM
FenerbahÁe fan here, just a little bit info on Wanamaker:

Pros: He can do a little bit of everything, good finisher with contact under the rim, decent shooter, can drive & kick and find open man, very strong frame, can stay in front of all Euro guards, had a great year under the tutelage of the greatest Euro coach ever, doesn't crumble under the pressure and performs at big games

Cons: Not a great decision maker - he settled for too many mid-range shots although he can bulldoze his way to the rim in Europe, not great athletically at the NBA level, mediocre P&R vision (can't thread the needle to the roll man), he is very emotionless which can be a problem for a bench guy if you want energy from him

All in all, I believe he is a better player than Larkin without a doubt. The question is if he's the guy Stevens and Celtics needs. I'd be really sad to see him go as he always produced at Euroleague games, he contributes even when it's not his day.

TP!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: konkmv on June 18, 2018, 04:27:00 PM
Sloukas papapetrou are better fit.. great pg with good vision th first... a player who can play multiple positions the second
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: Roy H. on June 18, 2018, 04:30:10 PM
I think I read that heís due to make $3.8 million overseas. So, if he comes here Iíve got to think heís sacrificing money.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2018, 04:49:26 PM
I think I read that heís due to make $3.8 million overseas. So, if he comes here Iíve got to think heís sacrificing money.

That $3.8 million is over two seasons, however.  Still likely sacrificing money in the short run, but if he can put in a decent showing for two seasons, he can probably make that income up in the future, even just on minimum-salary deals.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: fairweatherfan on June 18, 2018, 05:21:01 PM
FenerbahÁe fan here, just a little bit info on Wanamaker:

Pros: He can do a little bit of everything, good finisher with contact under the rim, decent shooter, can drive & kick and find open man, very strong frame, can stay in front of all Euro guards, had a great year under the tutelage of the greatest Euro coach ever, doesn't crumble under the pressure and performs at big games

Cons: Not a great decision maker - he settled for too many mid-range shots although he can bulldoze his way to the rim in Europe, not great athletically at the NBA level, mediocre P&R vision (can't thread the needle to the roll man), he is very emotionless which can be a problem for a bench guy if you want energy from him

All in all, I believe he is a better player than Larkin without a doubt. The question is if he's the guy Stevens and Celtics needs. I'd be really sad to see him go as he always produced at Euroleague games, he contributes even when it's not his day.

I watched a lot of Wanamaker in college but know nothing of his Euro career. Seems like he's improved a bit with his passing in some specific areas but otherwise his basic pros and cons are similar. Bigger issue seems like dependence on physical strength to get by, which will produce sharply lower returns against NBA competition.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: Birdman on June 18, 2018, 05:24:21 PM
Never heard of him..thought he was a **** star by his last name
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: Sophomore on June 18, 2018, 05:35:57 PM
FenerbahÁe fan here, just a little bit info on Wanamaker:

Pros: He can do a little bit of everything, good finisher with contact under the rim, decent shooter, can drive & kick and find open man, very strong frame, can stay in front of all Euro guards, had a great year under the tutelage of the greatest Euro coach ever, doesn't crumble under the pressure and performs at big games

Cons: Not a great decision maker - he settled for too many mid-range shots although he can bulldoze his way to the rim in Europe, not great athletically at the NBA level, mediocre P&R vision (can't thread the needle to the roll man), he is very emotionless which can be a problem for a bench guy if you want energy from him

All in all, I believe he is a better player than Larkin without a doubt. The question is if he's the guy Stevens and Celtics needs. I'd be really sad to see him go as he always produced at Euroleague games, he contributes even when it's not his day.

That's encouraging. Not sure who we will be able to get, but it at least makes him viable. Maybe he'll talk to Shane about how playing for Boston helped his career stateside.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: detour on June 18, 2018, 05:47:11 PM
FenerbahÁe fan here, just a little bit info on Wanamaker:

Pros: He can do a little bit of everything, good finisher with contact under the rim, decent shooter, can drive & kick and find open man, very strong frame, can stay in front of all Euro guards, had a great year under the tutelage of the greatest Euro coach ever, doesn't crumble under the pressure and performs at big games

Cons: Not a great decision maker - he settled for too many mid-range shots although he can bulldoze his way to the rim in Europe, not great athletically at the NBA level, mediocre P&R vision (can't thread the needle to the roll man), he is very emotionless which can be a problem for a bench guy if you want energy from him

All in all, I believe he is a better player than Larkin without a doubt. The question is if he's the guy Stevens and Celtics needs. I'd be really sad to see him go as he always produced at Euroleague games, he contributes even when it's not his day.

That's encouraging. Not sure who we will be able to get, but it at least makes him viable. Maybe he'll talk to Shane about how playing for Boston helped his career stateside.

Yeah, you shouldn't have doubts about his talent or work ethic. He was the MVP in Turkey and he actually had a good Final Four but Doncic and Real Madrid were too much to handle.

If things get serious, Wanamaker will call Theis first. They played together in Brose Bamberg during 2015-2016 season.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: Birdman on June 18, 2018, 05:54:51 PM
Just look him up... 29 years old and never played in NBA? NO THANK YOU
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: saltlover on June 18, 2018, 06:08:42 PM
FenerbahÁe fan here, just a little bit info on Wanamaker:

Pros: He can do a little bit of everything, good finisher with contact under the rim, decent shooter, can drive & kick and find open man, very strong frame, can stay in front of all Euro guards, had a great year under the tutelage of the greatest Euro coach ever, doesn't crumble under the pressure and performs at big games

Cons: Not a great decision maker - he settled for too many mid-range shots although he can bulldoze his way to the rim in Europe, not great athletically at the NBA level, mediocre P&R vision (can't thread the needle to the roll man), he is very emotionless which can be a problem for a bench guy if you want energy from him

All in all, I believe he is a better player than Larkin without a doubt. The question is if he's the guy Stevens and Celtics needs. I'd be really sad to see him go as he always produced at Euroleague games, he contributes even when it's not his day.

I watched a lot of Wanamaker in college but know nothing of his Euro career. Seems like he's improved a bit with his passing in some specific areas but otherwise his basic pros and cons are similar. Bigger issue seems like dependence on physical strength to get by, which will produce sharply lower returns against NBA competition.

Of course his faults are why heís probably a minimum salary candidate, and why heís a 3rd/4th-string PG option.  That said, PGs who rely on strength can still have a place in the NBA. Itís worked for Felton for a decade.  And at age 29, youíre probably getting him near the apex of his physical abilities.

But Wanamaker, or someone like him, fits the profile the Celtics are looking for.  An experienced player who can come in for injuries or when Brad needs to shake up the lineup, and cheap to fill out the roster.  I like that heís got the size and strength to stick with smaller wings.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 18, 2018, 06:24:24 PM
He is taller and could probably not be so easy to post up.   But seriously this seems like a reach to have something to talk about in the summer doldrums of Celticsblog.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: Beat LA on June 18, 2018, 06:31:26 PM
Never heard of him..thought he was a **** star by his last name

LOL, TP ;D. A...wannabee one, perhaps ;) ::) ;D *groan*.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: PAOBoston on June 18, 2018, 07:57:57 PM
If i remember correctly, the C's were pretty interested in him last off-season too.

Might be a sign that Larkin could be getting interest from other teams.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: iadera on June 19, 2018, 02:26:18 AM
Just look him up... 29 years old and never played in NBA? NO THANK YOU

Doesn't mean nothing. Teodosić also never played in NBA, but looks like a good fit for Clippers.
Although, I don't think Wannamaker is a better player than Larkin. 
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: vjcsmoke on June 19, 2018, 01:25:42 PM
we might lose smart or rozier in the next 2 seasons, so adding a 6'4 backup pg with some strength doesn't hurt.  at least maybe he could make a decent perimeter defender to contest and bother shots.
Title: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 25, 2018, 03:39:54 PM
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EuroLeague guard Brad Wanamaker is finalizing a deal to join the Boston Celtics next season, league sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1011332247910264832
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: matteo on June 25, 2018, 03:40:29 PM
EuroLeague guard Brad Wanamaker is finalizing a deal to join the Boston Celtics next season, league sources tell ESPN.
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C'
Post by: celticinorlando on June 25, 2018, 03:40:31 PM
Third point guard. Bigger than Larkin. Bench just got better

Maybe it is a firewall for Smart leaving?
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: Chief Macho on June 25, 2018, 03:45:06 PM
Just watching his highlights he looks like a bigger more physical backup point guard.   He seems more of a scorer than Larkin.    I hope he plays competitive defense. 
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: Birdman on June 25, 2018, 03:45:17 PM
29 year old rookie?? But who knows, might took him awhile to find his game
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: celticinorlando on June 25, 2018, 03:47:09 PM
29 year old rookie?? But who knows, might took him awhile to find his game

Scored 25 in Euro league championship game. Think he will be fine.
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: PAOBoston on June 25, 2018, 03:48:48 PM
Probably means Larkin is not coming back. I liked Larkin. He had an impact when he played during the regular season.

That being said, it will be nice to add some size at that position. I feel like the C's Euro scouting has been pretty good and they probably have a good sense of this guy from watching Zizic.

I wonder what the contract is like? Barcelona was supposedly hot after this guy.
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: Chief Macho on June 25, 2018, 03:49:29 PM
Wanamaker won the Finals MVP in the Turkish League earlier this month playing for Fenerbahce. It was the second time in his career heís won the MVP in a European championship series. He was Finals MVP in Germany in 2015. He also won the regular season MVP in Germany the following year. Heís played in France and Italy as well.

He has a reputation as a top 3-point shooter in Europe, hitting near 40 percent over his career. Physically strong, Wanamaker can play both guard positions and is a solid defender.


https://www.netsdaily.com/2018/6/20/17482390/do-nets-have-interest-in-europes-brad-wanamaker-again
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C'
Post by: saltlover on June 25, 2018, 03:52:25 PM
Third point guard. Bigger than Larkin. Bench just got better

Maybe it is a firewall for Smart leaving?

We had 4 PGs last year, and we needed them all.
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: Boston Garden Leprechaun on June 25, 2018, 03:59:07 PM
wahlberger maker?

is he related to THONG maker?

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: konkmv on June 25, 2018, 03:59:45 PM
If smart leaves next move would be for the Celtics to take calathes
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: jambr380 on June 25, 2018, 04:00:22 PM
Kind of a big deal as far as a guaranteed contract goes. So far next year we have 13:

Hayward
Horford
Irving
Tatum
Morris
Brown
Yabusele
Rozier
Ojeleye
Nader
Theis
Williams
Wanamaker

If you are an optimist and think we are re-signing Smart and Baynes, then that puts us at the limit with no option of picking up a vet min player. It also doesn't look promising for Bird.

I think Danny will try to dump Nader so that puts us back at 14 without Bird, but this seems to be a Smart contingent plan. Guys like Baynes and Morris certainly aren't locks for next year's team, but there is a very real roster crunch beginning to happen.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: celticinorlando on June 25, 2018, 04:03:28 PM
I think Smart and Baynes return
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: PAOBoston on June 25, 2018, 04:04:44 PM
Kind of a big deal as far as a guaranteed contract goes. So far next year we have 13:

Hayward
Horford
Irving
Tatum
Morris
Brown
Yabusele
Rozier
Ojeleye
Nader
Theis
Williams
Wanamaker

If you are an optimist and think we are re-signing Smart and Baynes, then that puts us at the limit with no option of picking up a vet min player. It also doesn't look promising for Bird.

I think Danny will try to dump Nader so that puts us back at 14 without Bird, but this seems to be a Smart contingent plan. Guys like Baynes and Morris certainly aren't locks for next year's team, but there is a very real roster crunch beginning to happen.
Nader's days in Boston are numbered.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: celticinorlando on June 25, 2018, 04:05:45 PM
Source: Brad Stevens got on the phone today with Brad Wanamaker and discussed his role in Boston. Fenerbahce's MVP loved what he heard, deciding between 1-or-2 year deal with the Celtics.
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: saltlover on June 25, 2018, 04:06:27 PM
Kind of a big deal as far as a guaranteed contract goes. So far next year we have 13:

Hayward
Horford
Irving
Tatum
Morris
Brown
Yabusele
Rozier
Ojeleye
Nader
Theis
Williams
Wanamaker

If you are an optimist and think we are re-signing Smart and Baynes, then that puts us at the limit with no option of picking up a vet min player. It also doesn't look promising for Bird.

I think Danny will try to dump Nader so that puts us back at 14 without Bird, but this seems to be a Smart contingent plan. Guys like Baynes and Morris certainly aren't locks for next year's team, but there is a very real roster crunch beginning to happen.
Nader's days in Boston are numbered.

Probably his days in the NBA.
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: PAOBoston on June 25, 2018, 04:07:49 PM
Kind of a big deal as far as a guaranteed contract goes. So far next year we have 13:

Hayward
Horford
Irving
Tatum
Morris
Brown
Yabusele
Rozier
Ojeleye
Nader
Theis
Williams
Wanamaker

If you are an optimist and think we are re-signing Smart and Baynes, then that puts us at the limit with no option of picking up a vet min player. It also doesn't look promising for Bird.

I think Danny will try to dump Nader so that puts us back at 14 without Bird, but this seems to be a Smart contingent plan. Guys like Baynes and Morris certainly aren't locks for next year's team, but there is a very real roster crunch beginning to happen.
Nader's days in Boston are numbered.

Probably his days in the NBA.
Possibly. Nader has some good offensive skills. It would not surprise me at all if he went to Europe and finds himself there.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: celticinorlando on June 25, 2018, 04:10:54 PM
Nadar can go. Get a shooter, resign Smart and Baynes.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Celtics4ever on June 25, 2018, 04:11:02 PM
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Possibly. Nader has some good offensive skills. It would not surprise me at all if he went to Europe and finds himself there.

Maybe, he will find out how to play defense...that is the true knock against him.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: celticinorlando on June 25, 2018, 04:11:50 PM
Expect Wanamaker to sign for the league minimum. He could get more if Boston uses pat of the Non-taxpayer MLE, but that seems unlikely. That could relegating the Celtics to re-signing Baynes using the 120% bump they can give him using his Non-Bird rights.
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: Kuberski33 on June 25, 2018, 04:13:22 PM
Probably means Larkin is not coming back. I liked Larkin. He had an impact when he played during the regular season.
Larkin accomplished what he wanted to here - got back on the radar of NBA teams and probably has an agreement for a deal somewhere.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: detour on June 25, 2018, 04:16:24 PM
Now that it's certain, even though I'm sad to see Wanamaker go I'm happy he went to Boston so I can still cheer for him. I believe he will not be a regular rotation guy in NBA unless he becomes a knockdown shooter (he is still streaky), but he can definitely contribute. On the other hand, who would have thought Theis would be this effective? Maybe CBS will unleash Wanamaker's potential.

By the way, for some fun comparison, recent FenerbahÁe exports to the NBA are: Bojan Bogdanovic, Nemanja Bjelica, Bogdan Bogdanovic, and Ekpe Udoh. Other than Udoh all have been solid contributors in their teams.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: kozlodoev on June 25, 2018, 04:16:55 PM
I think I read that heís due to make $3.8 million overseas. So, if he comes here Iíve got to think heís sacrificing money.

That $3.8 million is over two seasons, however.  Still likely sacrificing money in the short run, but if he can put in a decent showing for two seasons, he can probably make that income up in the future, even just on minimum-salary deals.
Just because he's in camp doesn't mean he's coming here. But it's a nice little way to pad his resume if he ends up signing in Europe.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: kozlodoev on June 25, 2018, 04:17:40 PM
Nadar can go. Get a shooter, resign Smart and Baynes.
Nader has a partial guarantee, so my guess is he's not going anywhere.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: celticinorlando on June 25, 2018, 04:18:55 PM
He isnít coming here just for camp. He is coming to take Larkinís spot as well as insurance for Smart.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Phantom255x on June 25, 2018, 04:22:30 PM
Source: Brad Stevens got on the phone today with Brad Wanamaker and discussed his role in Boston. Fenerbahce's MVP loved what he heard, deciding between 1-or-2 year deal with the Celtics.

#BradStevensEffect  8)
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Phantom255x on June 25, 2018, 04:23:37 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/IjmMzurYulKEw/giphy.gif)

Jokes aside, I actually really like this signing. Looks like a solid scorer and sharpshooter off the bench. Wish we could keep Larkin too though but I think he's gone as a result  :(

Now we got to prioritize Baynes and Smart!
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: saltlover on June 25, 2018, 04:23:48 PM
Nadar can go. Get a shooter, resign Smart and Baynes.
Nader has a partial guarantee, so my guess is he's not going anywhere.

That partial guarantees can be stretched to count only $64k per season, so it isnít a huge obstacle.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Cman on June 25, 2018, 04:31:44 PM
From NBAdraft.net
http://www.nbadraft.net/players/brad-wanamaker

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NBA Comparison: Royal Ivey
Strengths: Wanamaker is one of those guys people donít give fancy labels to, heís simply a basketball playerÖA 6í4 combo guard with a strong buildÖHas improved his body a good bit over time, trimming down his once chubby frameÖShows great basketball IQ, plays within himself and makes great decisionsÖHis best skill as a player is undoubtedly his passing abilityÖOutstanding court vision and shows great ability to put the ball in tight windows to find cuttersÖNot one to get tunnel visionÖWas a true triple doble threat in the Big East, with solid scoring, passing and rebounding skillsÖCan operate from mid-range with his floaterÖMoves well with the ballÖIs a vocal leaderÖWorks hard on D ...

Weaknesses: Wanamaker lacks athleticism in a major way and it will hold him back on both endsÖPretty slow and shows no explosivenessÖWonít be a slashing, isolation, or transition threat in the pros like he was in collegeÖStarted the year shooting very well from the 3-point line but cooled off a bit an shot a mediocre 34% at the end of the year on a limited amount of attemptsÖWonít put pressure on the defense with the ball in his handsÖAlthough heís a good passer, heís not a good enough slasher to pose a problem in the drive and dishÖRarely gets separation from defendersÖPlay fundamental D and works hard, but is lacks lateral quickness in a major way so heíd struggle against pro wingsÖWasnít all that efficient a finisher at the rim in the Big East, and will likely be even worse against better teams and athletes ...

Overall: Wanamaker developed into a prospect as a Sr. and improved every part of his game a good bit each year he was at PittÖVery experienced and mature and was a team leader in his last 2 yearsÖHe has nice passing skills and feel for the game, but heís a bad athlete who will struggle to adjust his game to the pros because of it ...


Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: droopdog7 on June 25, 2018, 04:33:27 PM
Just look him up... 29 years old and never played in NBA? NO THANK YOU
Why, because he doesn't have "potential" to be a star?  Not everyone we get needs to be young and promising.  Guys are needed for specific roles and there is nothing wrong with signing veterans over youth (which we don't need more of).
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: kozlodoev on June 25, 2018, 04:37:33 PM
Jokes aside, I actually really like this signing. Looks like a solid scorer and sharpshooter off the bench. Wish we could keep Larkin too though but I think he's gone as a result  :(
I don't think someone who averaged 34% from three (while making less than 1 per game) in Europe qualifies as a "sharpshooter".
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: GreenEnvy on June 25, 2018, 04:44:48 PM
Weird signing on its own, must be something else coming.

Does this means Smart is gone? Larkin?

Donít see the need for another combo guard. Kyrie/Rozier and Brown/Smart. Purely for depth I suppose. We shall see...
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Cman on June 25, 2018, 04:48:12 PM
Weird signing on its own, must be something else coming.

Does this means Smart is gone? Larkin?

Donít see the need for another combo guard. Kyrie/Rozier and Brown/Smart. Purely for depth I suppose. We shall see...

Implications for Larkin. Not Smart.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Birdman on June 25, 2018, 04:59:30 PM
Seems like Larkiin cant stay healthy
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: mmmmm on June 25, 2018, 05:02:56 PM
Weird signing on its own, must be something else coming.

Does this means Smart is gone? Larkin?

Donít see the need for another combo guard. Kyrie/Rozier and Brown/Smart. Purely for depth I suppose. We shall see...

Larkin was always very unlikely to stay past this last season.  He was signed to just the one-year contract, meaning we don't have Bird or Restricted FA rights.     We can offer, I believe, just 1.8M to him for next year via Non-Bird rights. 

He gave up a much bigger contract last year Europe in order to come here on a make-do contract to prove he could play in the NBA.  His plan/hope probably was to land a bigger NBA contract this coming year.   
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Kuberski33 on June 25, 2018, 06:08:18 PM
Weird signing on its own, must be something else coming.
Does this means Smart is gone? Larkin?
He probably replaces what Smart does offensively.  And I do think Larkin is gone - hence Brad apparently telling him he'll get minutes.

I am starting to think they're going to lose Smart, especially with Indiana renouncing Stephenson today.  I think they're going to come after Smart hard - which means with lots of $$$.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: BitterJim on June 25, 2018, 06:17:53 PM
Sounds good. It looks like Larkin won't be returning, but Wanamaker should be a good replacement.

All he has to be able to do is handle the ball in an offence that runs through others (Kyrie/Horford/Hayward/Tatum)
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: bogg on June 25, 2018, 06:29:37 PM
Makes sense. If we assume better health for Hayward and Irving next season (and, I mean, if they don't combine to play more than 61 games total Boston has bigger problems than the fit of their 3rd/4th point guard) you ideally want your backup guards to be able to play off the ball as much as on, and Wannamaker has the frame to hold up much better defensively than Larkin (who, don't get me wrong, was very good relative to his role/salary last year). He doesn't need to be a young guy with star potential, he just needs to be a veteran in the locker room who doesn't panic if he actually winds up playing minutes that matter.

That could relegating the Celtics to re-signing Baynes using the 120% bump they can give him using his Non-Bird rights.

If Baynes returns next season it'll almost certainly be using his 120% Non-Bird Rights. His Non-Bird amount is functionally identical to the Non-Tax Mid-Level next season, and I can't imagine Ainge hard-capping himself to round out a four-man center platoon on a team that will primarily play small. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Williams and Wannamaker are plugged into the roster spots of the departing Larkin and Monroe to remove some of the defensive liabilities from last seasons' roster, Smart and Baynes return, and the biggest summer controversy for the C's is whether Nader or Jabari Bird get the final full roster spot going into the 18-19 season.

It would have the added benefit of keeping the Non-Tax Midlevel available to use on buyout guys down the road (even though it gets pro-rated, unlike the DPE from last season).
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: colincb on June 25, 2018, 06:37:49 PM
Supposedly a defensive upgrade over Larkin who was thought to be able to attract a deal off of last year's performance.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on June 25, 2018, 06:43:03 PM
I checked out some of his highlight clips.  He looks like a better version of Eric Bledsoe.  Explosive, strong, and has excellent form on his jumper.  If he's the replacement for Larkin it's an upgrade.  If we lose Smart, he's a solid replacement but with him we'll get better offense and worse defense.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: bogg on June 25, 2018, 06:47:03 PM
I checked out some of his highlight clips.  He looks like a better version of Eric Bledsoe.  Explosive, strong, and has excellent form on his jumper.  If he's the replacement for Larkin it's an upgrade.  If we lose Smart, he's a solid replacement but with him we'll get better offense and worse defense.

Eric Bledsoe, playoffs aside, averaged nearly 18, 5, and 4 last season on not-terrible percentages. A better version of Eric Bledsoe is a regular all-star, which Wannamaker won't be. All he needs to do is be a solid bench combo guard who eats up some regular season minutes and shifts to an "in case of emergency" role come playoff time.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: CFAN38 on June 25, 2018, 06:51:13 PM
Weird signing on its own, must be something else coming.

Does this means Smart is gone? Larkin?

Donít see the need for another combo guard. Kyrie/Rozier and Brown/Smart. Purely for depth I suppose. We shall see...

Larkin was always very unlikely to stay past this last season.  He was signed to just the one-year contract, meaning we don't have Bird or Restricted FA rights.     We can offer, I believe, just 1.8M to him for next year via Non-Bird rights. 

He gave up a much bigger contract last year Europe in order to come here on a make-do contract to prove he could play in the NBA.  His plan/hope probably was to land a bigger NBA contract this coming year.

My guess was always that Ainge signed Larkin figuring IT was going to miss a good chunk of the first half of the season. He was insurance and did a decent job in his role. Wanamaker should be a better fit for this roster because he will bring more versatility to the Guard position with his size particularly in that he can play without being exploited in defense.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: byennie on June 25, 2018, 07:04:50 PM
Larkin replacement, flexibility around both Rozier and Smart, and practically free. Gotta love our ability to round out our bench with Larkin, Theis, Wanamaker the last 2 years. They're cheap, and they're better than most ring chasing minimum guys in the NBA.

I say S&T Smart and picks for a Leonard rental if you can, give Rozier the backup PG keys, Wanamaker the 3rd string combo guard.

Bring Hayward along slow and roll the dice on riding Kawhi to a title.

Starting lineup: Irving - Hayward - Kawhi - Tatum - Horford (!)
Bench mob: Rozier - Brown - Baynes - Theis
Deep bench: Wanamaker - Williams
Roster: Ojeyele - Yabusele - Bird
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: CelticSooner on June 25, 2018, 07:17:05 PM
I like what I see, looks like a nice role player. After what Theis came in and did any overseas signing feels pretty good.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Chris22 on June 25, 2018, 07:24:10 PM
I like Bird better. Are we going to sign Bird?
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: bogg on June 25, 2018, 07:25:37 PM
I like Bird better. Are we going to sign Bird?

Different roles. Bird has no business playing the point, he's a swingman. With Bird it'll come down to how he looks relative to Nader, most likely. Wouldn't be surprised if that goes all the way to a training camp battle.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: jambr380 on June 25, 2018, 07:41:47 PM
I like Bird better. Are we going to sign Bird?

I also like Bird better. This isn't a promising move for him, but as bogg said above, he is fairly versatile. Frankly, all of our guards outside of Kyrie can now comfortably play/guard multiple positions. That is one reason to be happier with Wanamaker over Larkin.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Eddie20 on June 25, 2018, 08:27:55 PM
I like Bird better. Are we going to sign Bird?

This signing has no effect on Bird. Bird impacts Nader, Wanamaker impacts Larkin.
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: Beat LA on June 25, 2018, 08:49:01 PM
wahlberger maker?

is he related to THONG maker?

 ;D ;D

I'm just curious as to whether or not he drives a Winnebago ;) ;D. #ShakeTheWanamaker ;D
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 25, 2018, 08:55:31 PM
I had no idea he has participated in The Basketball Tournament before...
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: billysan on June 25, 2018, 09:43:20 PM
Can we bring Euros like Wannamaker over to play in summer league? It would be nice to see him and Theis in Summer league, wouldnt it?
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: PAOBoston on June 25, 2018, 09:57:14 PM
Can we bring Euros like Wannamaker over to play in summer league? It would be nice to see him and Theis in Summer league, wouldnt it?
Why would they play summer league? They are older veteran players who are basically locks to make the team.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: greece666 on June 25, 2018, 10:20:41 PM
If I'm not mistaken Wanamker and Theis were teammates in Bamberg in 2015-16.

He started most Euroleague games for Fenerbahce, arguably the strongest team in Europe. I see Wanamaker as a replacement, hopefully even an upgrade over Larkin as the third string PG.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: billysan on June 25, 2018, 10:22:30 PM
Can we bring Euros like Wannamaker over to play in summer league? It would be nice to see him and Theis in Summer league, wouldnt it?
Why would they play summer league? They are older veteran players who are basically locks to make the team.
True, just day dreaming. I'm ready for Celtics Basketball now [dang it].
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: PAOBoston on June 25, 2018, 10:26:00 PM
Can we bring Euros like Wannamaker over to play in summer league? It would be nice to see him and Theis in Summer league, wouldnt it?
Why would they play summer league? They are older veteran players who are basically locks to make the team.
True, just day dreaming. I'm ready for Celtics Basketball now [dang it].
I know. In the same boat. Luckily for me I got a 2 week trip to Cyprus/Greece to clear my mind of it lol. So hopefully will be back right in time for the start of summer league.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: liam on June 25, 2018, 11:29:27 PM
It looks like he's showing a lot of contested 3's in the videos I watched. I wonder what he'll shoot on open threes he'll get in The Celtics system? Kinda reminds me a little of Tony Delk. He looks very strong.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: gouki88 on June 25, 2018, 11:49:17 PM
It looks like he's showing a lot of contested 3's in the videos I watched. I wonder what he'll shoot on open threes he'll get in The Celtics system? Kinda reminds me a little of Tony Delk. He looks very strong.
Good comparison, didn't even think of Delk.

Of course, Delk had an absolutely mind-boggling 7'2" wingspan
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: liam on June 25, 2018, 11:53:49 PM
It looks like he's showing a lot of contested 3's in the videos I watched. I wonder what he'll shoot on open threes he'll get in The Celtics system? Kinda reminds me a little of Tony Delk. He looks very strong.
Good comparison, didn't even think of Delk.

Of course, Delk had an absolutely mind-boggling 7'2" wingspan

Yeah, I almost said except for his crazy wingspan. He's not a dell clone or anything but just kinda reminds me of him. I really liked Delk.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on June 26, 2018, 12:28:22 AM
People are comparing him to Royal Ivey, so I don't think we need to organize a "Vote Brad Wanamaker for All-Star!" campaign.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: gouki88 on June 26, 2018, 12:37:45 AM
People are comparing him to Royal Ivey, so I don't think we need to organize a "Vote Brad Wanamaker for All-Star!" campaign.
You just wait!
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: rondofan1255 on June 26, 2018, 06:06:50 PM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Roy H. on June 26, 2018, 06:10:26 PM
People are comparing him to Royal Ivey, so I don't think we need to organize a "Vote Brad Wanamaker for All-Star!" campaign.

Iíd take Ivey as a 3rd PG.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: saltlover on June 26, 2018, 06:12:27 PM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Was hopeful for two years.  Oh well.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: jambr380 on June 26, 2018, 06:48:51 PM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Was hopeful for two years.  Oh well.

For a guy like him, leaving $3M on the table is pretty huge. He is pretty much taking 1/5th of the salary he could have made in Europe to prove that he is an NBA caliber player. You'd have to think that even if things work out well for him with the Cs, he will never be able to make up that money. It must just be mostly a pride thing - let's hope for the best for him and the Cs!
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: saltlover on June 26, 2018, 06:52:24 PM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Was hopeful for two years.  Oh well.

For a guy like him, leaving $3M on the table is pretty huge. He is pretty much taking 1/5th of the salary he could have made in Europe to prove that he is an NBA caliber player. You'd have to think that even if things work out well for him with the Cs, he will never be able to make up that money. It must just be mostly a pride thing - let's hope for the best for him and the Cs!

To be clear, that was $3.8 million over two years, so heís leaving a little over $1 million on the table this year.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: liam on June 26, 2018, 08:06:28 PM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Was hopeful for two years.  Oh well.

For a guy like him, leaving $3M on the table is pretty huge. He is pretty much taking 1/5th of the salary he could have made in Europe to prove that he is an NBA caliber player. You'd have to think that even if things work out well for him with the Cs, he will never be able to make up that money. It must just be mostly a pride thing - let's hope for the best for him and the Cs!

To be clear, that was $3.8 million over two years, so heís leaving a little over $1 million on the table this year.

Do they need someone to clear off this table? I'll do it....
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Cman on June 26, 2018, 08:13:00 PM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Kudos to him for the gamble. You only live once.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: uconnceltic on June 26, 2018, 10:28:21 PM
You have to think that is his last chance to play in the NBA and if he fails he can always go back to Europe to finish his career.

Hard nose player in college who was nothing special but was always solid and gave a 100%
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: nickagneta on June 26, 2018, 10:35:29 PM
And so ends the Shane Larkin era in Boston Celtics history.....
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: RockinRyA on June 26, 2018, 10:54:19 PM
It looks like he's showing a lot of contested 3's in the videos I watched. I wonder what he'll shoot on open threes he'll get in The Celtics system? Kinda reminds me a little of Tony Delk. He looks very strong.
Good comparison, didn't even think of Delk.

Of course, Delk had an absolutely mind-boggling 7'2" wingspan

I liked Delk, nice player.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: csfansince60s on June 26, 2018, 11:18:04 PM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Kudos to him for the gamble. You only live once.

TP, exactly.

Chasing the dream...gotta admire it.

No fear....betting on himself....that fearless mentality fits right into our team persona.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: kraidstar on June 27, 2018, 01:11:13 AM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Was hopeful for two years.  Oh well.

Yeah, me too.

Can't we at least resign him via the Arenas Provision because he was undrafted, making him a restricted free agent after that 1-year deal is up?

That is my interpretation based on what I've been able to find online.

Apparently we could only match with exception money, but other teams would be limited to offers no higher than the non-taxpayer MLE... We might go over the tax line, making that problematic.

I doubt anyone would be offering him $9M per season, though, so we should be able to fit him in if we want to.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/hoops-rumors-glossary-gilbert-arenas-provision.html
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: kraidstar on June 27, 2018, 01:16:10 AM
Double Post
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: azzenfrost on June 27, 2018, 06:30:46 AM
800k for a Euro MVP? Wow.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the C’s? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Androslav on June 27, 2018, 06:35:32 AM
800k for a Euro MVP? Wow.
Yeah, it definitely looks like he wants to make his dream come through.
Love points increase.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís?
Post by: Surferdad on June 27, 2018, 07:01:22 AM
Just look him up... 29 years old and never played in NBA? NO THANK YOU
Yeah, following so closely after the draft, the impulse is to compare him to a 22 yo rookie, but he's not likely to get any better at this point.

I'll take him as a taller replacement for Larkin and a better defender.
Title: Re: Woj: Wanamaker signing with C's
Post by: SHAQATTACK on June 27, 2018, 07:06:28 AM
wahlberger maker?

is he related to THONG maker?

 ;D ;D

no his cousin is Bikini stripper
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: smokeablount on June 27, 2018, 07:13:29 AM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Was hopeful for two years.  Oh well.

Yeah, me too.

Can't we at least resign him via the Arenas Provision because he was undrafted, making him a restricted free agent after that 1-year deal is up?

That is my interpretation based on what I've been able to find online.

Apparently we could only match with exception money, but other teams would be limited to offers no higher than the non-taxpayer MLE... We might go over the tax line, making that problematic.

I doubt anyone would be offering him $9M per season, though, so we should be able to fit him in if we want to.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/hoops-rumors-glossary-gilbert-arenas-provision.html

Anyone?  Salt?

And I probably don't need to ask, but I'm assuming there's no possible market regulation (IE making him an RFA) if he does decide to jump back overseas to maximize his earnings?
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: saltlover on June 27, 2018, 08:38:55 AM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Was hopeful for two years.  Oh well.

Yeah, me too.

Can't we at least resign him via the Arenas Provision because he was undrafted, making him a restricted free agent after that 1-year deal is up?

That is my interpretation based on what I've been able to find online.

Apparently we could only match with exception money, but other teams would be limited to offers no higher than the non-taxpayer MLE... We might go over the tax line, making that problematic.

I doubt anyone would be offering him $9M per season, though, so we should be able to fit him in if we want to.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/hoops-rumors-glossary-gilbert-arenas-provision.html

Anyone?  Salt?

And I probably don't need to ask, but I'm assuming there's no possible market regulation (IE making him an RFA) if he does decide to jump back overseas to maximize his earnings?

The Celtics will have the opportunity to extend Wanamaker a QO at around $1.65 million.  If he jumps back to Europe, the Celtics can keep extending him the QO every year, giving them rights of first refusal should he try the NBA again at a later date (I donít think thatís his plan ó i think he wants to stay in the States.)

The Arenas provision will probably not help, because if someone gave him so big an offer it would require the use of the full taxpayer extension, but that subjects us to the hard cap, and resigning Wanamaker at that amount would put us over said cap.  Accepting the QO is a possibility ó itís unlikely the Cís match for much more than it, however.  He still looks to be a third/fourth PG option long-term.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: gift on June 27, 2018, 09:25:39 AM
man, when people leave money on the table i always hope it works out for them.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: smokeablount on June 27, 2018, 09:58:19 AM
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Boston Celtics, Brad Wanamaker agreed on guaranteed one-year rookie minimum deal for $831,311, sources tell me. Euroleague's all-guard bet on himself, left $3.8M net on the table in Barcelona.

https://twitter.com/IAmDPick/status/1011731693659742211

Was hopeful for two years.  Oh well.

Yeah, me too.

Can't we at least resign him via the Arenas Provision because he was undrafted, making him a restricted free agent after that 1-year deal is up?

That is my interpretation based on what I've been able to find online.

Apparently we could only match with exception money, but other teams would be limited to offers no higher than the non-taxpayer MLE... We might go over the tax line, making that problematic.

I doubt anyone would be offering him $9M per season, though, so we should be able to fit him in if we want to.

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2018/02/hoops-rumors-glossary-gilbert-arenas-provision.html

Anyone?  Salt?

And I probably don't need to ask, but I'm assuming there's no possible market regulation (IE making him an RFA) if he does decide to jump back overseas to maximize his earnings?

The Celtics will have the opportunity to extend Wanamaker a QO at around $1.65 million.  If he jumps back to Europe, the Celtics can keep extending him the QO every year, giving them rights of first refusal should he try the NBA again at a later date (I donít think thatís his plan ó i think he wants to stay in the States.)

The Arenas provision will probably not help, because if someone gave him so big an offer it would require the use of the full taxpayer extension, but that subjects us to the hard cap, and resigning Wanamaker at that amount would put us over said cap.  Accepting the QO is a possibility ó itís unlikely the Cís match for much more than it, however.  He still looks to be a third/fourth PG option long-term.

On point as usual, thanks, TP. 
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: timpiker on June 27, 2018, 10:26:10 AM
I think the C's are a destination desirable team to go play for now.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Androslav on June 27, 2018, 10:33:45 AM
IMO this is a better signing than many of the future wannabe ringchasers that we will see in July, August, February.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 02, 2018, 05:14:18 PM
Number 9!!!  ;D

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We have officially signed guard @phillybul_22.

He joins us after seven season playing professionally in Europe, where he was named the 2018 Turkish League Finals MVP. Wanamaker will wear number 9.

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1013889313392775168?s=21
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Roy H. on July 02, 2018, 05:39:23 PM
Iíve been trying to remember why this dude has seemed familiar to me. It finally hit me: he played for Roman in high school, and was a friend of friends. I met him once, and they talked about his future greatness all the time. Small world.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: CelticsElite on July 02, 2018, 06:09:37 PM
Number 9!!!  ;D

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We have officially signed guard @phillybul_22.

He joins us after seven season playing professionally in Europe, where he was named the 2018 Turkish League Finals MVP. Wanamaker will wear number 9.

https://twitter.com/celtics/status/1013889313392775168?s=21
the same day and hour that rondo signs with the Lakers. Hilarious
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: celticinorlando on July 02, 2018, 06:10:25 PM
I like this signing..a lot
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: hodgy03038 on July 02, 2018, 06:38:45 PM
There is about 105 replies to a topic on Brad Wannamaker. Wow this dude must be good.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 03, 2018, 11:59:31 AM
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Brad Wanamaker: "Over the past couple years, I thought I was ready for the jump. The opportunity wasnít there. Ö Itís a dream come true to play in the NBA and with a team like Boston.Ē

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/1014160407378972672?s=21
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: apc on July 03, 2018, 12:02:33 PM
AND he got up on time for news conference !
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: rondofan1255 on July 03, 2018, 01:21:44 PM
There's the newest #9!!!  ;D

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All smiles from Brad Wanamaker and his wife this morning at the Auerbach Center for his intro.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhL8OlOXcAAsHqU.jpg)

https://twitter.com/BrianTRobb/status/1014150199185498113
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: liam on July 03, 2018, 01:55:15 PM
AND he got up on time for news conference !

He's a 28 year old professional basket ball player, it would be very troubling if he wasn't. 
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Big333223 on July 03, 2018, 02:27:48 PM
My expectations are pretty limited. Hopefully he's got something to show us.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Fafnir on July 03, 2018, 02:29:08 PM
My expectations are pretty limited. Hopefully he's got something to show us.
I feel pretty good he should be able to match Larkins overall level of play.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Chris22 on July 03, 2018, 03:01:11 PM
Article said Wanamaker turned down millions to play for the minimum here.

What the flagnogg???
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Post by: Big333223 on July 03, 2018, 03:05:27 PM
My expectations are pretty limited. Hopefully he's got something to show us.
I feel pretty good he should be able to match Larkins overall level of play.

If he can do that, I'd be happy.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: liam on July 03, 2018, 03:09:34 PM
My expectations are pretty limited. Hopefully he's got something to show us.
I feel pretty good he should be able to match Larkins overall level of play.

If he can do that, I'd be happy.

I can't wait for The Celtics to shake their Wanamaker!
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Post by: detour on July 03, 2018, 03:44:12 PM
Article said Wanamaker turned down millions to play for the minimum here.

What the flagnogg???

His contract with Fener last year was 1.7 million Euros per year, and judging by the market here he'd get about 2.5 million Euros = 2.9 million USD. After the low tax rate in Turkey (15%) he'd have 2.5 million USD per year in net income. So yes, I think Wanamaker is confident that he'll prove himself and get more money in his second contract, like Larkin.
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Post by: Chris22 on July 03, 2018, 04:01:21 PM
Article said Wanamaker turned down millions to play for the minimum here.

What the flagnogg???

His contract with Fener last year was 1.7 million Euros per year, and judging by the market here he'd get about 2.5 million Euros = 2.9 million USD. After the low tax rate in Turkey (15%) he'd have 2.5 million USD per year in net income. So yes, I think Wanamaker is confident that he'll prove himself and get more money in his second contract, like Larkin.

Turkey. I get it now.

If it was Italy......
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Post by: greece666 on July 03, 2018, 07:53:05 PM
Article said Wanamaker turned down millions to play for the minimum here.

What the flagnogg???

His contract with Fener last year was 1.7 million Euros per year, and judging by the market here he'd get about 2.5 million Euros = 2.9 million USD. After the low tax rate in Turkey (15%) he'd have 2.5 million USD per year in net income. So yes, I think Wanamaker is confident that he'll prove himself and get more money in his second contract, like Larkin.

Turkey. I get it now.

If it was Italy......

Turkey is the best place outside the NBA to play professional basketball.
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Post by: saltlover on July 03, 2018, 07:55:07 PM
Article said Wanamaker turned down millions to play for the minimum here.

What the flagnogg???

His contract with Fener last year was 1.7 million Euros per year, and judging by the market here he'd get about 2.5 million Euros = 2.9 million USD. After the low tax rate in Turkey (15%) he'd have 2.5 million USD per year in net income. So yes, I think Wanamaker is confident that he'll prove himself and get more money in his second contract, like Larkin.

Turkey. I get it now.

If it was Italy......

Turkey is the best place outside the NBA to play professional basketball.

Not if youíre Enea Kanter.
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Post by: Ogaju on July 03, 2018, 07:59:23 PM
Yawn
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: greece666 on July 03, 2018, 08:01:23 PM
Article said Wanamaker turned down millions to play for the minimum here.

What the flagnogg???

His contract with Fener last year was 1.7 million Euros per year, and judging by the market here he'd get about 2.5 million Euros = 2.9 million USD. After the low tax rate in Turkey (15%) he'd have 2.5 million USD per year in net income. So yes, I think Wanamaker is confident that he'll prove himself and get more money in his second contract, like Larkin.

Turkey. I get it now.

If it was Italy......

Turkey is the best place outside the NBA to play professional basketball.

Not if youíre Enea Kanter.

Is Wanamaker planning to support a coup attempt?
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Post by: footey on July 03, 2018, 09:09:43 PM
I guaranty you weíre the NBAís only fan website that devotes 9 plus pages of discussion to the new 12th man on the bench. LOL.
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Post by: feckless on July 03, 2018, 09:28:37 PM
Seems like a real solid guy in the interview.  I like that he played 2 years with Theis in Germany - called him Daniel.

I hope he turns out to be as nice a surprise as Daniel was.
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Post by: SparzWizard on July 03, 2018, 10:10:58 PM
Brad Wanamaker gonna take Rondo's #9!!!

Looks like Rondo's #9 won't be retired after all.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Ogaju on July 03, 2018, 10:16:34 PM
I guaranty you weíre the NBAís only fan website that devotes 9 plus pages of discussion to the new 12th man on the bench. LOL.

the dog days of NBA summer for the Celtics. No fireworks.
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Post by: LatterDayCelticsfan on July 03, 2018, 11:38:18 PM
My expectations are pretty limited. Hopefully he's got something to show us.

Have seen him on an off in Euroleague action. Pretty handy floor general.
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Post by: Big333223 on July 04, 2018, 03:16:47 PM
My expectations are pretty limited. Hopefully he's got something to show us.

Have seen him on an off in Euroleague action. Pretty handy floor general.

And that would be great. If our 11th man is a steady hand who can keep the bench mob focused and make the right plays, thats's terrific.
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Post by: rondofan1255 on September 14, 2018, 01:25:49 PM
(http://ballineurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/brad-wanamaker-darussafaka-dogus-istanbul-eb16.jpg)


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WANAMAKER HAS BEEN GRINDING FOR THIS SHOT

Ever since Philly native Brad Wanamaker got to Europe, his goal has been on getting his shot in the NBA. In the first of a series of articles looking at players who have jumped from Europe to the NBA this off-season, Emmet Ryan on how Wanamaker got his chance with the Boston Celtics by not dwelling on what he didnít have

This is not a young rookie. Brad Wanamaker is 29 and the Boston Celtics is ninth stop as a pro. The mistake a casual observer would make from that is that Danny Ainge has signed a journeyman to fill out the roster on a cheap contract. Wanamaker moved from club to club in Europe because he couldnít slow down, he had to keep climbing.

The Philly Bullís road to the NBA is one where he had to keep moving to get where he needed to be. From failing clubs to a resurrection job through two upstarts and then a powerhouse before finally getting over to Boston.




It began at a struggling Teramo in Italy (it went under a year after Wanamaker left) before he went to Forli (which went under three years after Wanamaker left) before going to the Austin Toros (before they were the Austin Spurs) and then finally to a club that still exists as we know it with Limoges in France for a season. Heíd jump back to Serie A with Pistoia, a reliable spot, for a year before the acceleration kicked in.

Andrea Trinchieri headed up the resurgence of Brose Bamberg and Wanamaker was a massive piece of his operation. He brought the American over to the Bundesliga in his first season and the impact was immediate. After losing the German title to Bayern Munich a year prior, having won the previous four championships, Wanamaker was finals MVP as Bamberg took the crown and returned to Euroleague.

A stronger follow-up season, where he won season MVP and Bamberg flirted with the Euroleague playoffs, and that essentially took him out of the Bamberg pay-grade. Off to Darussafaka he went where heíd still be the guy but heíd have more big pieces around him.

That season we saw a different edge to Wanamaker. Plenty of guys have come across the Atlantic and been able to shine when helping a club thatís domestically strong but has low expectations at a European level. Trevor Mbakwe jumps to mind as a guy who looked ready to bust out massively after 2015 before everything quietened down.

Similarly, there have been lots of players who have blazed a trail through two seasons before the focus faded as they didnít get their look at the trip to the big show. By the time he landed in Istanbul to join Darussafaka, he was 27 and already been pro for five years. Thatís a prime time to earn big in Europe but far from ideal for getting the look from the NBA.

Wanamaker went to work and then helped make Luka Doncic cry as Darussafaka overcame a rocky road through the regular season to make the Euroleague playoffs and give Real Madrid a serious fright in the playoffs.

It was his comfort being the guy on a team with expectations that made Wanamaker look a different proposition that season. Heíd been on the sweet plucky underdog story with zero expectations outside of local affairs, now he was playing for a side that was essentially a soulless business with few fans and operated on a model that expected targets to be hit. It was a cold hard basketball outfit that proved terribly fun to watch at times while also delivering some clinical play.

During the exodus of Euro based ballers last summer, Wanamaker was heavily mooted to make the jump but ended up joining Fenerbahce, the reigning Euroleague champions. He got them back to the title game, albeit a losing effort, after they had lost both Bogdan Bogdanovic and Ekpe Udoh to the NBA. There was a Turkish league crown too but what the season really showed was how rounded a player Wanamaker had become.

The Celtics are getting a well-rounded baller. Athletically heís got the gifts for some bullying defence but itís his offence that will garner eyeballs. Wanamaker has grown into a combo-guard in the more likeable sense of the term and not a guy who is not enough of either spot.

He can be the creator when needs be but more importantly he works well both making his own shot and working off the ball too. At 6í4Ē and 210lbs, heís got the body to bring power when he wants but doesnít lean on it. The 7 seasons in Europe have taught him to be a thinking manís baller who can trust himself without taking excessive risks.

The goal from the off for Wanamaker has been to get his spot on a NBA roster. The difference between him and those who had the same gifts but didnít make it is essentially focus. There was an awareness throughout the stages of his career that to get to the next level, he had to get the job done at the level he was at. His arc reads like a college coachís dream, not least because coming out of Pittsburgh at college level the term hard-nosed gets added as an expectation almost immediately.

The grind is certainly there but what will make Wanamaker stand out to Celtics fans is that heís not working just for the sake of doing work. Anyone can log the wild hours in the gym and clock up reps. Wanamakerís spent the past 7 years making sure that work has purpose, a logical series of goals. The end product is why the work happens and heís ready for his chance to deliver.

http://ballineurope.com/brad-wanamaker-boston-celtics-player-profile-7998/
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Post by: nickagneta on September 14, 2018, 03:15:23 PM
(http://ballineurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/brad-wanamaker-darussafaka-dogus-istanbul-eb16.jpg)


Quote
WANAMAKER HAS BEEN GRINDING FOR THIS SHOT

Ever since Philly native Brad Wanamaker got to Europe, his goal has been on getting his shot in the NBA. In the first of a series of articles looking at players who have jumped from Europe to the NBA this off-season, Emmet Ryan on how Wanamaker got his chance with the Boston Celtics by not dwelling on what he didnít have

This is not a young rookie. Brad Wanamaker is 29 and the Boston Celtics is ninth stop as a pro. The mistake a casual observer would make from that is that Danny Ainge has signed a journeyman to fill out the roster on a cheap contract. Wanamaker moved from club to club in Europe because he couldnít slow down, he had to keep climbing.

The Philly Bullís road to the NBA is one where he had to keep moving to get where he needed to be. From failing clubs to a resurrection job through two upstarts and then a powerhouse before finally getting over to Boston.




It began at a struggling Teramo in Italy (it went under a year after Wanamaker left) before he went to Forli (which went under three years after Wanamaker left) before going to the Austin Toros (before they were the Austin Spurs) and then finally to a club that still exists as we know it with Limoges in France for a season. Heíd jump back to Serie A with Pistoia, a reliable spot, for a year before the acceleration kicked in.

Andrea Trinchieri headed up the resurgence of Brose Bamberg and Wanamaker was a massive piece of his operation. He brought the American over to the Bundesliga in his first season and the impact was immediate. After losing the German title to Bayern Munich a year prior, having won the previous four championships, Wanamaker was finals MVP as Bamberg took the crown and returned to Euroleague.

A stronger follow-up season, where he won season MVP and Bamberg flirted with the Euroleague playoffs, and that essentially took him out of the Bamberg pay-grade. Off to Darussafaka he went where heíd still be the guy but heíd have more big pieces around him.

That season we saw a different edge to Wanamaker. Plenty of guys have come across the Atlantic and been able to shine when helping a club thatís domestically strong but has low expectations at a European level. Trevor Mbakwe jumps to mind as a guy who looked ready to bust out massively after 2015 before everything quietened down.

Similarly, there have been lots of players who have blazed a trail through two seasons before the focus faded as they didnít get their look at the trip to the big show. By the time he landed in Istanbul to join Darussafaka, he was 27 and already been pro for five years. Thatís a prime time to earn big in Europe but far from ideal for getting the look from the NBA.

Wanamaker went to work and then helped make Luka Doncic cry as Darussafaka overcame a rocky road through the regular season to make the Euroleague playoffs and give Real Madrid a serious fright in the playoffs.

It was his comfort being the guy on a team with expectations that made Wanamaker look a different proposition that season. Heíd been on the sweet plucky underdog story with zero expectations outside of local affairs, now he was playing for a side that was essentially a soulless business with few fans and operated on a model that expected targets to be hit. It was a cold hard basketball outfit that proved terribly fun to watch at times while also delivering some clinical play.

During the exodus of Euro based ballers last summer, Wanamaker was heavily mooted to make the jump but ended up joining Fenerbahce, the reigning Euroleague champions. He got them back to the title game, albeit a losing effort, after they had lost both Bogdan Bogdanovic and Ekpe Udoh to the NBA. There was a Turkish league crown too but what the season really showed was how rounded a player Wanamaker had become.

The Celtics are getting a well-rounded baller. Athletically heís got the gifts for some bullying defence but itís his offence that will garner eyeballs. Wanamaker has grown into a combo-guard in the more likeable sense of the term and not a guy who is not enough of either spot.

He can be the creator when needs be but more importantly he works well both making his own shot and working off the ball too. At 6í4Ē and 210lbs, heís got the body to bring power when he wants but doesnít lean on it. The 7 seasons in Europe have taught him to be a thinking manís baller who can trust himself without taking excessive risks.

The goal from the off for Wanamaker has been to get his spot on a NBA roster. The difference between him and those who had the same gifts but didnít make it is essentially focus. There was an awareness throughout the stages of his career that to get to the next level, he had to get the job done at the level he was at. His arc reads like a college coachís dream, not least because coming out of Pittsburgh at college level the term hard-nosed gets added as an expectation almost immediately.

The grind is certainly there but what will make Wanamaker stand out to Celtics fans is that heís not working just for the sake of doing work. Anyone can log the wild hours in the gym and clock up reps. Wanamakerís spent the past 7 years making sure that work has purpose, a logical series of goals. The end product is why the work happens and heís ready for his chance to deliver.

http://ballineurope.com/brad-wanamaker-boston-celtics-player-profile-7998/
TP. Good read.
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Post by: KG Living Legend on September 14, 2018, 04:32:14 PM

 He's going to be the Daniel Theis of this year. Which is to say, nothing earth shattering, but a pleasant surprise indeed.
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: rondofan1255 on October 15, 2018, 04:05:45 PM
I guaranty you weíre the NBAís only fan website that devotes 9 plus pages of discussion to the new 12th man on the bench. LOL.

You'd be surprised...  :P
Title: Re: brad wanamaker to the Cís? UPDATE, finalizing deal
Post by: Big333223 on October 17, 2018, 11:25:28 AM
He's a perfect 1 for 1 in his NBA career.
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Post by: Chris22 on October 17, 2018, 01:57:04 PM
He's a perfect 1 for 1 in his NBA career.

He looked good.
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Post by: indeedproceed on October 17, 2018, 02:28:56 PM
I hope on the nights Kyrie rests he plays a lot more. I bet we'll be surprised.
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Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 17, 2018, 04:08:31 PM
I hope he works out .  He has paid his dues.   We need energy and confidence at that position.

I just miss Larkin ,  when he came on court it was like a comebody inhaled a can of Red Bull . Team was gonna wake up .