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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: Fireworks_Boom! on June 15, 2018, 11:49:41 PM
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If they are able to move on Kawhi Leonard with a package of Covington/Fultz/Pick 10 for Kawhi Leonard + spare parts. Philly would still have close to enough room to grab Lebron James with a couple of moves.
This would leave Philly with this line-up:
Ben Simmons
Kawhi Leonard
Lebron James
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid
Plus Richaun Holmes, TJ McConell + whatever spare parts they could attract via free agency (i.e. The Lebron Factor).
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No way San Antonio accepts that
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If they are able to move on Kawhi Leonard with a package of Covington/Fultz/Pick 10 for Kawhi Leonard + spare parts. Philly would still have close to enough room to grab Lebron James with a couple of moves.
This would leave Philly with this line-up:
Ben Simmons
Kawhi Leonard
Lebron James
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid
Plus Richaun Holmes, TJ McConell + whatever spare parts they could attract via free agency (i.e. The Lebron Factor).
Covington-role player
Fultz-need several year to rebuild his shot
Pick 10-end of lottery pick
Sac pick alone will be more valuable...
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No way San Antonio accepts that
It's a pretty good deal for San Antonio.
Kawhi is an expiring contract. The kind of return they should be expecting is similar to what Indiana got for Paul George.
Granted, that Indiana deal became shockingly good in retrospect, because of how phenomenal Oladipo became, but that was a pretty big surprise.
An elite prospect like Fultz + a top 10 pick + a solid starter in Covington is a pretty nice deal. Philly only gives that up if they have assurance Kawhi re-signs. That's where Kawhi has leverage... if he says he's only willing to re-sign in Los Angeles, he has a lot of power.
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Celtics suck: Celticsblog is inundated with unrealistic dream scenarios in which we are catapulted into contention.
Celtics are great: Celticsblog is inundated with unrealistic nightmare scenarios in which other teams are catapulted into contention.
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Celtics suck: Celticsblog is inundated with unrealistic dream scenarios in which we are catapulted into contention.
Celtics are great: Celticsblog is inundated with unrealistic nightmare scenarios in which other teams are catapulted into contention.
you nailed it, at least the C's didn't trade assets for Kevin Love back then ;D
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Let's just accept the lakers are our rivals again and stop the Tom foolery
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No way San Antonio accepts that
It's a pretty good deal for San Antonio.
Kawhi is an expiring contract. The kind of return they should be expecting is similar to what Indiana got for Paul George.
Granted, that Indiana deal became shockingly good in retrospect, because of how phenomenal Oladipo became, but that was a pretty big surprise.
An elite prospect like Fultz + a top 10 pick + a solid starter in Covington is a pretty nice deal. Philly only gives that up if they have assurance Kawhi re-signs. That's where Kawhi has leverage... if he says he's only willing to re-sign in Los Angeles, he has a lot of power.
Lb I honestly think he says that
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Covington Fultz and the 10th pick? That's crap compensation. Fultz can't even shoot a JUMPSHOT! He was DNPed the entire playoffs! Covington is a journeyman, nothing special.
That offer does NOT beat a package of Jaylen Brown, Morris, Smart/Rozier etc. + the Kings pick plus additional firsts.
Celtics can beat the Phila package easily.
Trust me, Lebron is going to the Lakers with his buddy Paul George. The nice thing about that is it ignites the Celts-Lakers rivalry. And the even nicer thing is that it takes him out of the East. Good luck getting out of the West Lebron!!
Phila doesn't scare me. Who are they going to attract? They are a bunch of puppies who suffered a 'gentleman sweep' at the hands of the C's.
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No way San Antonio accepts that
It's a pretty good deal for San Antonio.
Kawhi is an expiring contract. The kind of return they should be expecting is similar to what Indiana got for Paul George.
Granted, that Indiana deal became shockingly good in retrospect, because of how phenomenal Oladipo became, but that was a pretty big surprise.
An elite prospect like Fultz + a top 10 pick + a solid starter in Covington is a pretty nice deal. Philly only gives that up if they have assurance Kawhi re-signs. That's where Kawhi has leverage... if he says he's only willing to re-sign in Los Angeles, he has a lot of power.
Ingram +kuzma+ pick is light years better package
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Covington Fultz and the 10th pick? That's crap compensation. Fultz can't even shoot a JUMPSHOT! He was DNPed the entire playoffs! Covington is a journeyman, nothing special.
Celtics can beat the Phila package easily.
Any time! (http://yoursmiles.org/tsmile/rulez/t2028.gif)
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Fultz is damaged goods.
A lot of the execs didn't want Fultz but Colangelo overruled them
"It was a decision praised at the time, but after Fultz struggled in his workout with the Sixers last June, league sources say some Sixers front office members suggested that despite making the trade, the team should have taken a second look at Tatum or Lonzo Ball. But the idea was shot down by Colangelo, according to sources."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2780982-bryan-colangelo-reportedly-overruled-76ers-execs-about-drafting-markelle-fultz
That is really going to help his trade value. NOT!
Philadelphia scares me...
Some people scare easy, it is life.
Simmons can't shoot, Embiid at this point is injury prone. Fultz is damaged goods. A lot of their bench like Amir and Bellini are FA, JJ is a FA. Simmons is not a PG, with that team you would zone it up and let them shoot themselves out of the game.
Also, we beat them without Hayward or Irving. We going to be a lot better with those two. Calm down.
Philly also is not stable they just fired Colangelo and threw Fultz under the bus. Why folks think they are going to draw a lot of interest is beyond me.
If we want too, we could top any offer they or the Fakers make.
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Fultz is wierd
Embiid is a walking bowed legged injury waiting to happen
Simmons looks like he is not driven to be a winner , thus will he ever put in the work to shoot a jumper . Is he really truely here for the sport or just the money firstand forever.
Covington looks peakd.
Brown ..is a dreamer
They need PG or Lebron to pull them up by the boot straps.
Celtics will spank their butts again with Irving full strenght.
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Covington Fultz and the 10th pick? That's crap compensation. Fultz can't even shoot a JUMPSHOT! He was DNPed the entire playoffs! Covington is a journeyman, nothing special.
That offer does NOT beat a package of Jaylen Brown, Morris, Smart/Rozier etc. + the Kings pick plus additional firsts.
Celtics can beat the Phila package easily.
Trust me, Lebron is going to the Lakers with his buddy Paul George. The nice thing about that is it ignites the Celts-Lakers rivalry. And the even nicer thing is that it takes him out of the East. Good luck getting out of the West Lebron!!
Phila doesn't scare me. Who are they going to attract? They are a bunch of puppies who suffered a 'gentleman sweep' at the hands of the C's.
Its better compensation than Indiana got for George, and the Kings got for Cousins and the Bulls got for Butler. And the later two weren't even 1 year rentals.
We can certainly outbid the Sixers and Lakers but will we?
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Fultz is wierd
Embiid is a walking bowed legged injury waiting to happen
Simmons looks like he is not driven to be a winner , thus will he ever put in the work to shoot a jumper . Is he really truely here for the sport or just the money firstand forever.
Covington looks peakd.
Brown ..is a dreamer
They need PG or Lebron to pull them up by the boot straps.
Celtics will spank their butts again with Irving full strenght.
Embiid is already the best center in the league and he hasn't played 100 games yet. Simmons should have made the all-star game in his 1st season. The Fultz saga is certainly weird but no reason to think his shooting won't improve.
The Sixers won 52 games and finished with the 5th best overall record so they don't need Lebron or PG to pull them up by their boot straps. They need one of them to make them a true contender.
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No way San Antonio accepts that
It's a pretty good deal for San Antonio.
Kawhi is an expiring contract. The kind of return they should be expecting is similar to what Indiana got for Paul George.
Granted, that Indiana deal became shockingly good in retrospect, because of how phenomenal Oladipo became, but that was a pretty big surprise.
An elite prospect like Fultz + a top 10 pick + a solid starter in Covington is a pretty nice deal. Philly only gives that up if they have assurance Kawhi re-signs. That's where Kawhi has leverage... if he says he's only willing to re-sign in Los Angeles, he has a lot of power.
Fultz is a question mark. I don’t write him off yet, but last year happened. He is by far the biggest piece in that deal. If his value is anywhere from bust to star, how does SA value him?
I don’t think this package will do it because (1) somebody will offer better - Ingram and Kuzma and a pick is certainly better, in the eyes of almost any team; and (2) SA just got burned by a guy who walked for noninjury reasons - they won’t want another very unsure thing.
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I think, Šarić, one of the draft stashes and 10th is fair offer. Kawhis value now is lower than what Kyries was last summer IMO and this one is surprisingly comparable.
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I think, Šarić, one of the draft stashes and 10th is fair offer. Kawhis value now is lower than what Kyries was last summer IMO and this one is surprisingly comparable.
Whatever is fair in a vacuum, would you take that Philly package over Ingram, Kuzma, and a pick? I might take Ingram by himself over that Philly offer.
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Honestly I'm tired of hearing about Philly! They aren't better than us and Lebron is not going there end of story.
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Philly? Come on.
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Honestly I'm tired of hearing about Philly! They aren't better than us and Lebron is not going there end of story.
How can you be so certain LBJ isn't going there? The premise of my original post is that IF Lebron goes there, AND they attract Kawhi Leonard, they would be a scary team. That's a lot of IFs but superstars in this league are colluding to join forces to compete with GSW. One would have to imagine LBJ is thinking it through right now.
Think of it from this perspective:
I could to LA and build around myself, PG13 and KL but then we'd have a make shift team thereafter given many of their young talents would exit in the trade for KL.
Or I could go to Philly and have a team that is built from the ground up only needing 2 superstars to take it over the top. I see Philly as much more attractive option than LA if my intent is winning which call LBJ what you want, he likes to win.
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Honestly I'm tired of hearing about Philly! They aren't better than us and Lebron is not going there end of story.
How can you be so certain LBJ isn't going there? The premise of my original post is that IF Lebron goes there, AND they attract Kawhi Leonard, they would be a scary team. That's a lot of IFs but superstars in this league are colluding to join forces to compete with GSW. One would have to imagine LBJ is thinking it through right now.
Think of it from this perspective:
I could to LA and build around myself, PG13 and KL but then we'd have a make shift team thereafter given many of their young talents would exit in the trade for KL.
Or I could go to Philly and have a team that is built from the ground up only needing 2 superstars to take it over the top. I see Philly as much more attractive option than LA if my intent is winning which call LBJ what you want, he likes to win.
James wants to be the focal point. And according to D Wade who knows him James number one thing is lifestyle. Philly is no better than Cleveland there.
James wants to be in la
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Covington Fultz and the 10th pick? That's crap compensation. Fultz can't even shoot a JUMPSHOT! He was DNPed the entire playoffs! Covington is a journeyman, nothing special.
That offer does NOT beat a package of Jaylen Brown, Morris, Smart/Rozier etc. + the Kings pick plus additional firsts.
Celtics can beat the Phila package easily.
Trust me, Lebron is going to the Lakers with his buddy Paul George. The nice thing about that is it ignites the Celts-Lakers rivalry. And the even nicer thing is that it takes him out of the East. Good luck getting out of the West Lebron!!
Phila doesn't scare me. Who are they going to attract? They are a bunch of puppies who suffered a 'gentleman sweep' at the hands of the C's.
Its better compensation than Indiana got for George, and the Kings got for Cousins and the Bulls got for Butler. And the later two weren't even 1 year rentals.
We can certainly outbid the Sixers and Lakers but will we?
Not really. In a re-draft Markannen would go ahead of Fultz and they received Lavine and Dunn too. That package is way superior to the Sixers one above.
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I don’t think this package will do it because (1) somebody will offer better - Ingram and Kuzma and a pick is certainly better, in the eyes of almost any team; and (2) SA just got burned by a guy who walked for noninjury reasons - they won’t want another very unsure thing.
I don't think LA offers this package.
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Covington Fultz and the 10th pick? That's crap compensation. Fultz can't even shoot a JUMPSHOT! He was DNPed the entire playoffs! Covington is a journeyman, nothing special.
That offer does NOT beat a package of Jaylen Brown, Morris, Smart/Rozier etc. + the Kings pick plus additional firsts.
Celtics can beat the Phila package easily.
Trust me, Lebron is going to the Lakers with his buddy Paul George. The nice thing about that is it ignites the Celts-Lakers rivalry. And the even nicer thing is that it takes him out of the East. Good luck getting out of the West Lebron!!
Phila doesn't scare me. Who are they going to attract? They are a bunch of puppies who suffered a 'gentleman sweep' at the hands of the C's.
Its better compensation than Indiana got for George, and the Kings got for Cousins and the Bulls got for Butler. And the later two weren't even 1 year rentals.
We can certainly outbid the Sixers and Lakers but will we?
Not really. In a re-draft Markannen would go ahead of Fultz and they received Lavine and Dunn too. That package is way superior to the Sixers one above.
You should judge the trade by merits of the trade at the time it was made. Markkanen was the #7 pick not a projected star. He had a good rookie season but not spectacular. If Fultz shows decent shooting next season, he probably jumps back ahead of Markkanen,
The trade was Butler and #16 for Lavine, Dunn and #7. So Chicago didn't even get a pick. They just moved up 9 spots to mid lottery. Lavine is a great athlete with decent offense and lousy defense. He was recovering from an ACL injury and heading into the last year of his rookie contract. Dunn played like crap his rookie year and he was an old rookie. Neither Lavine or Dunn had star potential. That's not very good value.
I'd definitely prefer Fultz, #10 and Covington to that. To top it off Butler had 2 years left on his contract not one.
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Another the sky is falling thread... Has there been an uptick in drama students on CelticsBlog recently?
If Kawhi gets moved it isn't going to be for peanuts. Kawhi is less of a flight risk than people think because next summer it'll be very hard for LA to have the cap room of they decide to bring in 2 max stars this summer. And he won't leave $50m on the table.
If he comes East I could see New York making a serious offer, for Philly to get him they'd have to significantly up the offer. Realistically you'd also have to eat a contract from SAS as well to take on Kawhi which makes it that much harder to keep the cap space for LeBron (who isn't going to choose Phila anyway)
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Fultz is wierd
Embiid is a walking bowed legged injury waiting to happen
Simmons looks like he is not driven to be a winner , thus will he ever put in the work to shoot a jumper . Is he really truely here for the sport or just the money firstand forever.
Covington looks peakd.
Brown ..is a dreamer
They need PG or Lebron to pull them up by the boot straps.
Celtics will spank their butts again with Irving full strenght.
Embiid is already the best center in the league and he hasn't played 100 games yet. Simmons should have made the all-star game in his 1st season. The Fultz saga is certainly weird but no reason to think his shooting won't improve.
The Sixers won 52 games and finished with the 5th best overall record so they don't need Lebron or PG to pull them up by their boot straps. They need one of them to make them a true contender.
An all-star is someone you'd want to sit down in favor of TJ freakin McConnell? Okay. ;D
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Covington Fultz and the 10th pick? That's crap compensation. Fultz can't even shoot a JUMPSHOT! He was DNPed the entire playoffs! Covington is a journeyman, nothing special.
That offer does NOT beat a package of Jaylen Brown, Morris, Smart/Rozier etc. + the Kings pick plus additional firsts.
Celtics can beat the Phila package easily.
Trust me, Lebron is going to the Lakers with his buddy Paul George. The nice thing about that is it ignites the Celts-Lakers rivalry. And the even nicer thing is that it takes him out of the East. Good luck getting out of the West Lebron!!
Phila doesn't scare me. Who are they going to attract? They are a bunch of puppies who suffered a 'gentleman sweep' at the hands of the C's.
Its better compensation than Indiana got for George, and the Kings got for Cousins and the Bulls got for Butler. And the later two weren't even 1 year rentals.
We can certainly outbid the Sixers and Lakers but will we?
The Lakers offer trumps the Sixers imho.
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Honestly I'm tired of hearing about Philly! They aren't better than us and Lebron is not going there end of story.
Agree, they are a paper tiger.
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Honestly I'm tired of hearing about Philly! They aren't better than us and Lebron is not going there end of story.
How can you be so certain LBJ isn't going there? The premise of my original post is that IF Lebron goes there, AND they attract Kawhi Leonard, they would be a scary team. That's a lot of IFs but superstars in this league are colluding to join forces to compete with GSW. One would have to imagine LBJ is thinking it through right now.
Think of it from this perspective:
I could to LA and build around myself, PG13 and KL but then we'd have a make shift team thereafter given many of their young talents would exit in the trade for KL.
Or I could go to Philly and have a team that is built from the ground up only needing 2 superstars to take it over the top. I see Philly as much more attractive option than LA if my intent is winning which call LBJ what you want, he likes to win.
I'll give you one simple reason. Philly already has a point forward in Simmons they can't co-exist. Lebron wants the ball in his hands and make plays for shooters, Simmons can't shoot. So are they trading Simmons? If so then why go there to play with Embiid who could go down with a season ending injury at any moment? None of that makes sense, none of it.
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If they are able to move on Kawhi Leonard with a package of Covington/Fultz/Pick 10 for Kawhi Leonard + spare parts. Philly would still have close to enough room to grab Lebron James with a couple of moves.
This would leave Philly with this line-up:
Ben Simmons
Kawhi Leonard
Lebron James
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid
Plus Richaun Holmes, TJ McConell + whatever spare parts they could attract via free agency (i.e. The Lebron Factor).
I thought I came across this idea originally today but did some due diligence and found this thread. TP. I'm surprised people think that's a bad haul for SA. I thought Covington + #10 alone was enough to get the deal done.
Covington is one of the elite 3 and D guys in the NBA -- a skillset the Spurs organization has coveted in their SFs for the last 20 years. He's 27 years old, entering his NBA prime, and is locked up for the next 4 years on a very team friendly contract.
If Philly has confidence that Lebron will follow, then Philly should be confident enough that Kawhi will resign to offer this package.
What other team in the NBA has a better package than this for Kawhi without the guarantee that he resigns?
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I think there is zero chance Pop would be happy with Covington plus #10 for a top 5 player. That is weak. I don't care what you say about Covington but my recollection of the playoffs is that Covington stinks and had zero impact against the Celts. I doubt the Celts will offer it but I would much rather have Jaylen than Covington so the Celts can beat it if they want to.
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I think there is zero chance Pop would be happy with Covington plus #10 for a top 5 player. That is weak. I don't care what you say about Covington but my recollection of the playoffs is that Covington stinks and had zero impact against the Celts. I doubt the Celts will offer it but I would much rather have Jaylen than Covington so the Celts can beat it if they want to.
Same way I see it too.
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I don't get these threads at all.
Opposing fans should look at how much talent we have, our youth, still having potential high draft picks in the future, and that should scare them.
Celtic fans should be eager for the future, not worrying about it.
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I think there is zero chance Pop would be happy with Covington plus #10 for a top 5 player. That is weak. I don't care what you say about Covington but my recollection of the playoffs is that Covington stinks and had zero impact against the Celts. I doubt the Celts will offer it but I would much rather have Jaylen than Covington so the Celts can beat it if they want to.
I don't get why people think that Covington + #10 is a horrendous offer "for a top 5 nba player", but also doubt the Celts would offer Jaylen Brown for the same player. Sure, I think Jaylen would be the better offer as well. But the deal would have to be expanded since contracts don't match and you even said you doubt the Celts offer that. Many teams have players like Porzingis, Towns, Donovon Mitchell, etc. that SA would gladly take over this Philly package, but they also aren't offering that. So I'm asking what better offer is SA going to get under the assumption that Kawhi might not resign.
I don't get these threads at all.
Opposing fans should look at how much talent we have, our youth, still having potential high draft picks in the future, and that should scare them.
Celtic fans should be eager for the future, not worrying about it.
Oh, I'm thrilled about the Celtics present and future and think that we are a team that can contend with GSW right now. I just think Philly could be a third team if they make this happen.
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If they are able to move on Kawhi Leonard with a package of Covington/Fultz/Pick 10 for Kawhi Leonard + spare parts. Philly would still have close to enough room to grab Lebron James with a couple of moves.
This would leave Philly with this line-up:
Ben Simmons
Kawhi Leonard
Lebron James
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid
Plus Richaun Holmes, TJ McConell + whatever spare parts they could attract via free agency (i.e. The Lebron Factor).
I thought I came across this idea originally today but did some due diligence and found this thread. TP. I'm surprised people think that's a bad haul for SA. I thought Covington + #10 alone was enough to get the deal done.
Covington is one of the elite 3 and D guys in the NBA -- a skillset the Spurs organization has coveted in their SFs for the last 20 years. He's 27 years old, entering his NBA prime, and is locked up for the next 4 years on a very team friendly contract.
If Philly has confidence that Lebron will follow, then Philly should be confident enough that Kawhi will resign to offer this package.
What other team in the NBA has a better package than this for Kawhi without the guarantee that he resigns?
Covington turns 28 a month into the season and is paid 45 million over the next 4 years. If a team is really competing and desperate for defense he can be an ok asset, but he is probably best served as a bench player. For a team like the Spurs that won't be competing the next year or two he is pretty useless and not a good use of 45 million dollars.
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If they are able to move on Kawhi Leonard with a package of Covington/Fultz/Pick 10 for Kawhi Leonard + spare parts. Philly would still have close to enough room to grab Lebron James with a couple of moves.
This would leave Philly with this line-up:
Ben Simmons
Kawhi Leonard
Lebron James
Dario Saric
Joel Embiid
Plus Richaun Holmes, TJ McConell + whatever spare parts they could attract via free agency (i.e. The Lebron Factor).
I thought I came across this idea originally today but did some due diligence and found this thread. TP. I'm surprised people think that's a bad haul for SA. I thought Covington + #10 alone was enough to get the deal done.
Covington is one of the elite 3 and D guys in the NBA -- a skillset the Spurs organization has coveted in their SFs for the last 20 years. He's 27 years old, entering his NBA prime, and is locked up for the next 4 years on a very team friendly contract.
If Philly has confidence that Lebron will follow, then Philly should be confident enough that Kawhi will resign to offer this package.
What other team in the NBA has a better package than this for Kawhi without the guarantee that he resigns?
Covington turns 28 a month into the season and is paid 45 million over the next 4 years. If a team is really competing and desperate for defense he can be an ok asset, but he is probably best served as a bench player. For a team like the Spurs that won't be competing the next year or two he is pretty useless and not a good use of 45 million dollars.
Covington is Jae Crowder on a bigger contract. He doesn't play as big as his size and he doesn't have the quickness to defend guards on the perimeter. He can defend wings and swing at a really high level, but his shooting is really inconsistent.
Is Jae Crowder + 10 pick enough for Leonard?
Was Jae Crowder + 8 pick enough for Irving?
Most would argue Leonard is a better player, which means you are getting a worse package for a better player.
Saric is the key to that trade. If the Spurs really like Saric (I like him, but I'm not sure how much), he might make it worth it.