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Title: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: rondohondo on January 17, 2018, 08:39:53 PM

Trigger warning...

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Below are the winners of the 2017 Fake News Awards:

1. The New York Times’ Paul Krugman claimed on the day of President Trump’s historic, landslide victory that the economy would never recover.

2. ABC News’ Brian Ross CHOKES and sends markets in a downward spiral with false report.

3. CNN FALSELY reported that candidate Donald Trump and his son Donald J. Trump, Jr. had access to hacked documents from WikiLeaks.

4. TIME FALSELY reported that President Trump removed a bust of Martin Luther King, Jr. from the Oval Office.

5. Washington Post FALSELY reported the President’s massive sold-out rally in Pensacola, Florida was empty. Dishonest reporter showed picture of empty arena HOURS before crowd started pouring in.

6. CNN FALSELY edited a video to make it appear President Trump defiantly overfed fish during a visit with the Japanese prime minister. Japanese prime minister actually led the way with the feeding.

7. CNN FALSELY reported about Anthony Scaramucci’s meeting with a Russian, but retracted it due to a “significant breakdown in process.”

8. Newsweek FALSELY reported that Polish First Lady Agata Kornhauser-Duda did not shake President Trump’s hand.

9. CNN FALSELY reported that former FBI Director James Comey would dispute President Trump’s claim that he was told he is not under investigation.

10. The New York Times FALSELY claimed on the front page that the Trump administration had hidden a climate report.

11. And last, but not least: “RUSSIA COLLUSION!” Russian collusion is perhaps the greatest hoax perpetrated on the American people. THERE IS NO COLLUSION!

 :o

Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: indeedproceed on January 18, 2018, 10:07:49 AM
In 2018 The President Of The United States hyped up a bad facebook meme. I have literally seen more care and diligence put into the pre-game blog posts from Celticsblog than care was given here. The fact that his supporters eat this up is laughable, and the quality of the thing is depressing.

I'm not even saying it couldn't have been great. Someone (it would've been unbecoming for a President to do it, but like...FoxNews, or Breitbart or something) could've made this interesting. Some spectacle, get a red carpet out there. Make a show about how all the people you're trying to present the award to didn't show up, so make card-board cut outs in their honor. Get all the C-level conservative celebrities to show up and talk about gun rights. What was Curt Schilling doing? Seriously, what was he doing? Someone should keep track of that just like..anyways. And where was Mike Huckabee? He could've written the terrible jokes.

Really an opportunity missed for Trump. He could've joined via skype from a golf course where he was pretending to work and everything.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Roy H. on January 18, 2018, 10:16:12 AM
I hate that the Presidency gets less “Presidential” all the time.  I thought that going on talk shows was beneath the office.  Now we’re at the point of Twitter rants and silly fake awards. I can’t wait for the Kim Kardashian Presidency.

I like conservative policies. I hate the side show.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Moranis on January 18, 2018, 10:24:55 AM
I hate that the Presidency gets less “Presidential” all the time.  I thought that going on talk shows was beneath the office.  Now we’re at the point of Twitter rants and silly fake awards. I can’t wait for the Kim Kardashian Presidency.

I like conservative policies. I hate the side show.
Honest question, what did you think a Trump presidency would look like?  I mean this is the exact same man that was on the Apprentice, that ran in the GOP primary, and then ran in the national election.  Trump is who he is, so were you expecting something different after he was elected?
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Roy H. on January 18, 2018, 10:31:24 AM
I hate that the Presidency gets less “Presidential” all the time.  I thought that going on talk shows was beneath the office.  Now we’re at the point of Twitter rants and silly fake awards. I can’t wait for the Kim Kardashian Presidency.

I like conservative policies. I hate the side show.
Honest question, what did you think a Trump presidency would look like?  I mean this is the exact same man that was on the Apprentice, that ran in the GOP primary, and then ran in the national election.  Trump is who he is, so were you expecting something different after he was elected?

I was hoping he’d be humbled by the position, and I thought he’d be a better manager.

I still prefer the Trump sideshow over Hillary. 
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: tazzmaniac on January 18, 2018, 10:37:42 AM
I hate that the Presidency gets less “Presidential” all the time.  I thought that going on talk shows was beneath the office.  Now we’re at the point of Twitter rants and silly fake awards. I can’t wait for the Kim Kardashian Presidency.

I like conservative policies. I hate the side show.
Honest question, what did you think a Trump presidency would look like?  I mean this is the exact same man that was on the Apprentice, that ran in the GOP primary, and then ran in the national election.  Trump is who he is, so were you expecting something different after he was elected?

I was hoping he’d be humbled by the position, and I thought he’d be a better manager.

I still prefer the Trump sideshow over Hillary.
Hillary would have been much better for conservatives.  She would have provided a target to unite against.  Trump is turning the off year elections into a real contest.   
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: TomHeinsohn on January 18, 2018, 10:52:36 AM
Trigger warning eh. Thanks for the warning, I skipped the post and now am much happier. Good day.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: ConnerHenry on January 18, 2018, 11:15:57 AM
I have to admit, I'm incredibly disappointed that Celticsblog didn't win anything
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: nickagneta on January 18, 2018, 11:19:07 AM
Did Trump win the Lifetime Achievement award for Fake News and it wasn't reported?
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 18, 2018, 11:30:34 AM
Agree with all the comments on laziness/tawdriness. But the base laps it up, so we shouldn't expect anything else at this point.

But for all the sound and fury and attacks on the press, what's striking about the list is how thin it is. Ross's mistake was huge, with major legal implications, and he deserved the suspension he got and arguably more. CNN in #3 was a meaningful error but boiled down to the wrong date on an email that was definitely sent, and was quickly changed. The Scaramucci story was also bad but he was a private citizen and 3 people were fired for it. The rest (not counting the opinion stuff or the sweeping "I am not a crook" #11) are mostly just fluff - misphrasings, posts or images about minor issues that were initially inaccurate or misleading. Almost everything, major and minor, was corrected or retracted within 24 hours of publication. At least 2-3 were single Tweets that were retracted within an hour. The WaPo one was literally a reporter retweeting a mislabeled picture from his personal account then fixing it 30 minutes later and apologizing.

A corrupt or malicious media wouldn't require searching this hard across dozens of outlets and hundreds of journalists/reporters/writers for 10 things they got wrong over ~15 months and padding it with things like feeding fish or a brief mixup on whether a bust was moved inside a room or out of it. And they wouldn't be retracting stories or holding people accountable for them. Look to how Fox handled their phony Seth Rich story for an example of what that kind of approach looks like. Or umpteen Gateway Pundit fabrications if you're a more online type.

There's a separate conversation about slanted presentation or characterization, which stories are promoted/deemphasized, etc, but when talking about false information this just paints a picture of media orgs that make mistakes. Relatively few major mistakes, but one is too many, so the offenders need to work on the process that led to those mistakes. I'm having a hard time picturing when that wouldn't have been the case.

Of course, it's all moot because the President's endless griping has little to nothing to do with actually wanting more accurate reporting. But still.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Roy H. on January 18, 2018, 01:38:39 PM
I hate that the Presidency gets less “Presidential” all the time.  I thought that going on talk shows was beneath the office.  Now we’re at the point of Twitter rants and silly fake awards. I can’t wait for the Kim Kardashian Presidency.

I like conservative policies. I hate the side show.
Honest question, what did you think a Trump presidency would look like?  I mean this is the exact same man that was on the Apprentice, that ran in the GOP primary, and then ran in the national election.  Trump is who he is, so were you expecting something different after he was elected?

I was hoping he’d be humbled by the position, and I thought he’d be a better manager.

I still prefer the Trump sideshow over Hillary.
Hillary would have been much better for conservatives.  She would have provided a target to unite against.  Trump is turning the off year elections into a real contest.

At some point we need to pass laws, not just rail against the other party. Plus, Hillary would end up selecting 2-3 Justices, which was untenable.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: KGs Knee on January 18, 2018, 01:47:28 PM
Well, it made me chuckle anyways.

But still, what a petty little man our President is.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 18, 2018, 01:58:18 PM
So who is faker? 

I realize there are those on either side who would claim high(er) ground, but does it really matter?  I mean can we just acknowledge that both sides play politics and that news providers on both sides manipulate their presentation to promote a biased view of the news?   If one does it more so than the other, who cares at this point.   

Are we not all just embarrassed by how divisive we are, and how marginalizing we are to those who hint of disagreement with our own views?   Can anyone think that the discussion of who is "faker" is a good, worthwhile discussion to have?

Trump is leading this crap, but the country is playing along.   We don't have to.  The best thing Trump has done for republicans is that people like me are going to be happy as heck to have a republican other than Trump in the White House when that day mercifully arrives.   
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Donoghus on January 18, 2018, 02:01:53 PM
One news organization is noticeably absent. 

Hmm....
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: indeedproceed on January 18, 2018, 03:00:43 PM
So who is faker? 

I realize there are those on either side who would claim high(er) ground, but does it really matter?  I mean can we just acknowledge that both sides play politics and that news providers on both sides manipulate their presentation to promote a biased view of the news?   If one does it more so than the other, who cares at this point. 

I do. I care very, very much. Equating them does a disservice to people who report actual news stories, and get labelled as 'fake' because Trump & Co find their thesis inconvenient for one reason or another. It's tearing down the way we as a nation process world events, it is changing the nature of what's true and what's false. Trump's already laid down the law for his supporters, 'True is what I say it is'.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Moranis on January 18, 2018, 03:37:01 PM
One news organization is noticeably absent. 

Hmm....
MSNBC?
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 18, 2018, 04:45:35 PM
So who is faker? 

I realize there are those on either side who would claim high(er) ground, but does it really matter?  I mean can we just acknowledge that both sides play politics and that news providers on both sides manipulate their presentation to promote a biased view of the news?   If one does it more so than the other, who cares at this point. 

I do. I care very, very much. Equating them does a disservice to people who report actual news stories, and get labelled as 'fake' because Trump & Co find their thesis inconvenient for one reason or another. It's tearing down the way we as a nation process world events, it is changing the nature of what's true and what's false. Trump's already laid down the law for his supporters, 'True is what I say it is'.

Your point is well taken.  However it's hard to watch MSNBC and CNN (which I do every night) and not conclude that there is a liberal bias.  Whether we are talking "fake" or "biased", the bottom line to me is that we are approaching this (and have been long before Trump) incorrectly. Instead of listening and considering others points of view, we disparage, mock, dismiss and marginalize.  As soon as a liberal is sniffed, the person is belittled by the right... And much the same occurs when roles are reversed.  There has seemed to me to be more vitriol and anger seething from the right -- but that's probably my bias.   The bottom line for me is that I am starting to hear the voices of bipartisanship from Lyndsey Graham and from the Rs and Ds who are voicing support for a bipartisan deal.   The idea that we might get an actual deal in which moderates dominate the far-left liberals and Freedom caucus repubs is hopeful.   I don't need to hear any more about who is faker.  I want to hear about them working together and solving problems.   Each discussion of who is faker is wasted time.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: rondohondo on January 18, 2018, 09:24:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igqRWx0asTA&app=desktop
 Ha!

The awakening has begun

Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on January 18, 2018, 09:43:52 PM
The undeniable Liberal bias in the media isn't going to go away because of how pathetic society has become over the last 25-ish years, particularly the last 8.  Trump needs to stop worrying about these idiots though and be a PRESIDENT.  Stop acting like a petulant child.

Once I started getting into the political/social stuff I quickly realized that watching it on TV was a waste.  I'll stick to reading/watching Antonia Okafor, Ben Shapiro, Steven Crowder, Christina Hoff-Sommers, and occasionally Milo (just because his needling of the left can be comical at times).
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: IDreamCeltics on January 18, 2018, 09:46:04 PM
So who is faker? 

I realize there are those on either side who would claim high(er) ground, but does it really matter?  I mean can we just acknowledge that both sides play politics and that news providers on both sides manipulate their presentation to promote a biased view of the news?   If one does it more so than the other, who cares at this point. 

I do. I care very, very much. Equating them does a disservice to people who report actual news stories, and get labelled as 'fake' because Trump & Co find their thesis inconvenient for one reason or another. It's tearing down the way we as a nation process world events, it is changing the nature of what's true and what's false. Trump's already laid down the law for his supporters, 'True is what I say it is'.

Your point is well taken.  However it's hard to watch MSNBC and CNN (which I do every night) and not conclude that there is a liberal bias.  Whether we are talking "fake" or "biased", the bottom line to me is that we are approaching this (and have been long before Trump) incorrectly. Instead of listening and considering others points of view, we disparage, mock, dismiss and marginalize.  As soon as a liberal is sniffed, the person is belittled by the right... And much the same occurs when roles are reversed.  There has seemed to me to be more vitriol and anger seething from the right -- but that's probably my bias.   The bottom line for me is that I am starting to hear the voices of bipartisanship from Lyndsey Graham and from the Rs and Ds who are voicing support for a bipartisan deal.   The idea that we might get an actual deal in which moderates dominate the far-left liberals and Freedom caucus repubs is hopeful.   I don't need to hear any more about who is faker.  I want to hear about them working together and solving problems.   Each discussion of who is faker is wasted time.

I think it's tough for MSNBC and CNN not to have a liberal bias when so much of their reporting is based on currently accepted science, evidence based research, and facts. 

In my opinion if they abandoned their commitment to those things they'd be much more neutral, but they wouldn't be better news organizations. However, I realize it is an old fashioned and possibly outdated view to expect people in positions of authority to actually know what they're talking about.

Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: KGs Knee on January 18, 2018, 10:55:26 PM
So who is faker? 

I realize there are those on either side who would claim high(er) ground, but does it really matter?  I mean can we just acknowledge that both sides play politics and that news providers on both sides manipulate their presentation to promote a biased view of the news?   If one does it more so than the other, who cares at this point. 

I do. I care very, very much. Equating them does a disservice to people who report actual news stories, and get labelled as 'fake' because Trump & Co find their thesis inconvenient for one reason or another. It's tearing down the way we as a nation process world events, it is changing the nature of what's true and what's false. Trump's already laid down the law for his supporters, 'True is what I say it is'.

Your point is well taken.  However it's hard to watch MSNBC and CNN (which I do every night) and not conclude that there is a liberal bias.  Whether we are talking "fake" or "biased", the bottom line to me is that we are approaching this (and have been long before Trump) incorrectly. Instead of listening and considering others points of view, we disparage, mock, dismiss and marginalize.  As soon as a liberal is sniffed, the person is belittled by the right... And much the same occurs when roles are reversed.  There has seemed to me to be more vitriol and anger seething from the right -- but that's probably my bias.   The bottom line for me is that I am starting to hear the voices of bipartisanship from Lyndsey Graham and from the Rs and Ds who are voicing support for a bipartisan deal.   The idea that we might get an actual deal in which moderates dominate the far-left liberals and Freedom caucus repubs is hopeful.   I don't need to hear any more about who is faker.  I want to hear about them working together and solving problems.   Each discussion of who is faker is wasted time.

Excellent post. This pretty much sums up my feelings on the issue.

TP
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 18, 2018, 11:54:46 PM
Nobody should be watching CNN and MSNBC. Or Fox. Or YouTube pundits. Etc. Basically if you're getting your news from someone toughtalking a camera or a keyboard you're gonna be chronically misinformed and probably p---ed off all the time to boot.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 19, 2018, 06:57:24 AM
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Nobody should be watching CNN and MSNBC. Or Fox. Or YouTube pundits. Etc. Basically if you're getting your news from someone toughtalking a camera or a keyboard you're gonna be chronically misinformed and probably p---ed off all the time to boot.

Agree, News should be stripped from the above Netswork and replaced with Echo Chamber for X.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: trickybilly on January 19, 2018, 08:27:02 AM
Yet again, for a majority of Americans (I include a significant number of Trump voters here), take these awards for what they are: a bit of fun from a reality-show guy, who seriously lacks mature or sophisticated retortive rhetoric, and - to be fair - has taken a battering from some left-leaning outlets, some of it quite unnecessary and cheap (although no different from how right-leaning outlets constantly criticized Obama, by the way).

But the insane danger, which is underestimated at peril, is how much this seriously emboldens worldwide despots: lunatics who think they are owed something by their people, and have a God-given right to govern. From Astana to Kinshasa, fro Luanda to Zagreb - and every other nation struggling to fight corruption and hidden deals, this is a dream come true. The whole reason we know about Hillary's alleged corrupt deal with Rosatom is because of a free press. Millions will suffer as a result of his pathetic child-like attacks on the media. The legacy of leaders who will cement hereditary power backed by a modern military, and held to little or no account, will forever be remembered as getting a turbo boost under his presidency.

Whole thing is disgusting.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: kozlodoev on January 19, 2018, 09:14:27 AM
From Astana to Kinshasa, fro Luanda to Zagreb - and every other nation struggling to fight corruption and hidden deals, this is a dream come true.
How the heck did EU member Croatia get painted with the same brush as Kazakhstan and the Congo here?!
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: trickybilly on January 19, 2018, 09:19:49 AM
From Astana to Kinshasa, fro Luanda to Zagreb - and every other nation struggling to fight corruption and hidden deals, this is a dream come true.
How the heck did EU member Croatia get painted with the same brush as Kazakhstan and the Congo here?!

Actually, realized there were no developing nations with a capital starting with Z, then I left it there - because just curious if anyone would pick that out. TP.
Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: jackpercussion on January 19, 2018, 10:11:27 AM
I guess some of you make so much money that you really don't care about the "forgotten men and woman".

February 15th.  Everyone sees more money in their pay check  (unless there are those who "live" off the govt).

Let's point the facts!!

Unemployment for woman down more than in the last 17 years.

Unemployment for Hispanics down more than ever in history.

Unemployment for African Americans down more than ever in history,

The market up more than ever in history.

Yet the media wants to talk about Trump's bone spurs, dentures, and how much ice cream he eats.  Really??

They must hate that he doing a good job!! 

 



Title: Re: Trump releases fake news awards, and the winner is.....
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 19, 2018, 10:42:00 AM
I guess some of you make so much money that you really don't care about the "forgotten men and woman".

February 15th.  Everyone sees more money in their pay check  (unless there are those who "live" off the govt).

Let's point the facts!!

Unemployment for woman down more than in the last 17 years.

Unemployment for Hispanics down more than ever in history.

Unemployment for African Americans down more than ever in history,

The market up more than ever in history.

Yet the media wants to talk about Trump's bone spurs, dentures, and how much ice cream he eats.  Really??

They must hate that he doing a good job!!

Obama had the biggest change in employment percentage of any modern President and all of those stats you cited we're true as he was leaving office.  You're going to leave us with a recession just like Reagan, Nixon and both Bushes.  Then a Democrat will have to come clean up AGAIN while you blame the first year economy they are in office on Democratic policies.  This has been happening for 50 years now.  You will then say you're not a Republican but a conservative and you don't like Trump when he falls to 25% and there is a recession.

Meanwhile immigrant rights, the environment, freedom of the press, gay rights, education, our national parks and science are getting gutted.  We are an international laughingstock and tourism just fell 6% - the only other country that saw a decline was Turkey.  The President is under three investigations for colluding with an enemy - all started by his own party.  He has the worst approval rating ever for this point and is trending down.