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Around the League => The Draft => Topic started by: CFAN38 on January 11, 2018, 09:43:26 AM
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Everyone is focused on the Lakers pick. I'm just pointing out a few players who are largely ranked at 2nd round picks that the Cs could look at with their pick.
Austin Wiley, Soph Center for Auburn has great size 6'11 7'5wing and 250lbs. He is currently suspended while the FBI investigates if Chuck Person paid his family to get him to Auburn. He is a project who was very effective just under 9pts 5rb and 1.3blks in 18mpg as a freshman. Played in the FIBA U19 this summer and averaged 10pt 10rb in 20mpg. He would be a project who could turn into a legit traditional starting 5.
VS Canada
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpprMni5mcY
Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, wing for Kansas. He is young for his senior class. elite shooting prospect.
Grayson Allen, everyone knows him. Hard nosed physical guard who shoots the ball really well
Shake Milton, SMU big guard who plays point for SMU at 6'6 with a 7' wingspan. Also shoots the ball at a very high level
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I'd truly stay away from Allen...what the dude does with his legs on defense are not basketball plays. He'll be out of the league in a year or two.
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I'd truly stay away from Allen...what the dude does with his legs on defense are not basketball plays. He'll be out of the league in a year or two.
I will agree his behavior on court leaves a lot to be desired but I can easily see DA liking him. As a physical guard who can play both on and off the ball and hit the 3 he will have long term value as an NBA bench player.
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I just did a separate thread on Mitchell Robinson, who could be available late first round. Check it out.
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I'd truly stay away from Allen...what the dude does with his legs on defense are not basketball plays. He'll be out of the league in a year or two.
could you be a bit more specific on "his legs"? thanks.
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I am someone that thinks the LA pick will convey so there is a great chance we either trade this pick or draft a stash player. This team just won't need two more rookies next year.
If the pick doesn't convey, I still see the Cs drafting a player to stash.
Grayson Allen wouldn't be a bad pick. He reminds me a lot of Dellavedova
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I just did a separate thread on Mitchell Robinson, who could be available late first round. Check it out.
I was going to include Robinson but there is so little info him in terms of international play, game videos or even high profile high school matchups for me to have an opinion on him. I will say that based on the Mcdonalds highlights and his measurements he would be another interesting late 1st pick up.
One thing to note is that Austin Wiley and projected mid first round pick Brandon McCoy both beat out Robinson in the Team USA U19 tryouts.
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I'd truly stay away from Allen...what the dude does with his legs on defense are not basketball plays. He'll be out of the league in a year or two.
could you be a bit more specific on "his legs"? thanks.
He trips everybody.
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Rawle Alkins. With AB gone and with the chance that Smart doesn't come back, Alkins is a big, tough guard that can defend. Would be a good addition.
Now let's get Ayton and Alkins, the Tucson two-step, and we are in business. ;D
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I'd truly stay away from Allen...what the dude does with his legs on defense are not basketball plays. He'll be out of the league in a year or two.
I dunno the league tolerates Matthew Dellavedova, Sasha Vujačić and Zaza Pachulia.
In all honesty, I hope we get better players than are on the above list.
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Shake Milton or Bruce Brown would be good, assuming we lose Smart.
If we keep Smart I'd take one of the lower bigs, like Robinson or Austin Wiley
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I'd truly stay away from Allen...what the dude does with his legs on defense are not basketball plays. He'll be out of the league in a year or two.
Danny Ainge did the same stuff when he played. Lol
https://youtu.be/7cTs4zpI3CQ
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I'd truly stay away from Allen...what the dude does with his legs on defense are not basketball plays. He'll be out of the league in a year or two.
Plenty of guys do plenty of things that are not basketball plays. Smart has. Wade has. Simmons just did in the game today. Marcus Morris gets into multiple dust-ups every year. Cousins is constantly throwing elbows. Draymond Green plays with an edge that verges on dirty non-basketball plays. Isaiah Thomas just whacked Wiggins in the head.
I'm not saying he's not dirty. I'm just saying I think the "tripping" thing is a bit overexaggerrated. None of his trips were dangerous to the opposing basketball player. They were unsportsmanlike, but not dangerous. I think hard fouls in the air or tomahawking a guys arm on a drive is more dangerous than any dirty play Allen has made.
At that point, you just have to examine his work ethic, team attitude, and ability to impact the game. I really like his three-point shooting and I think his driving will be even better with a spread out court in the NBA. He plays for a winning team, and he helps his team win games. He has one of the best euro-steps in college basketball and has the ability to finish explosively at the rim.
He will end up being a good player if he gets drafted by a good coach like Pop, Carlisle, Spo, or CBS. In the right system, he could be an Evan Fournier, which is great value late in the first round.
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Not a fan of Grayson Allen but I actually thinks his offensive game will translate well to the NBA an he will have a good career. I think it depends on how Tatum feels about him tbh.
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Diallo of UK..reminds me of Gerald green
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Diallo of UK..reminds me of Gerald green
If Diallo were to fall this low, he'd be a prime candidate to be the 'OG Anonubi, Dejounte Murray-what were teams thinking passing on this guy' of the 2018 draft. Definitely think he could be a better pro than college player.
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Ok have my new favorite option for the late 1st
Keita Bates-Diop
Ohio State redshirt Jr.
6'7
235lb
reported 7'2" wingspan
currently averaging just under 20pts 9 RB 1.8 BLKS 1.1STL while shooting 37.6% from 3 on 5 attempts
seems like a perfect fit as a low ceiling high floor backup wing player who can play up as a small ball 4.
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I love Shake Milton’s size, shooting and versatility offensively.
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The more I watch Sviatoslav Mykhailiuk, the more I realize he's more than a shooter and could be a great fit in our offense. He's a plus athlete and has underrated passing instincts. He also always seems to come up with random steals every game I see him and looks like a versatile defender. I would love to grab him with our 1st even if that seems a bit high due to his fit.
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Is it too soon to say Tyreke Evans?????
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Ok have my new favorite option for the late 1st
Keita Bates-Diop
Ohio State redshirt Jr.
6'7
235lb
reported 7'2" wingspan
currently averaging just under 20pts 9 RB 1.8 BLKS 1.1STL while shooting 37.6% from 3 on 5 attempts
seems like a perfect fit as a low ceiling high floor backup wing player who can play up as a small ball 4.
He's currently projected to go somewhere mid-1st. I think folks are on to him. Good player. Does a lot of things well.
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Diallo of UK..reminds me of Gerald green
If Diallo were to fall this low, he'd be a prime candidate to be the 'OG Anonubi, Dejounte Murray-what were teams thinking passing on this guy' of the 2018 draft. Definitely think he could be a better pro than college player.
Diallo projected to go #14 on nbadraft.net. He will be LONG GONE.
Smitty77
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A player no one really talks about but looks like a real competitor is Allonzo Trier. Good size and good athlete. Why is he projected to go in the early/mid-2nd? I've watched him since last year and he does nothing but play and play well.
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Diallo of UK..reminds me of Gerald green
If Diallo were to fall this low, he'd be a prime candidate to be the 'OG Anonubi, Dejounte Murray-what were teams thinking passing on this guy' of the 2018 draft. Definitely think he could be a better pro than college player.
Diallo projected to go #14 on nbadraft.net. He will be LONG GONE.
Smitty77
I don't know. His stock has been falling. LONG GONE could be overstating it. He hasn't played well in over a month. Looks like the season may be catching up with him. Started out pretty good though. Things got harder once conference games rolled around.
Edit: Athletically, he's very gifted. Just catching some glimpses here and there of the hype.
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Is it too soon to say Tyreke Evans?????
Nope. That's who I would have spent the low 20's pick on...then would have given Evans the MLE next season while letting Smart walk.
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Who ever it is will be a bust like almost all our late picks like fab melo, sully, Jr gidden, young, Johnson ...wow I could type a whole page
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Is it too soon to say Tyreke Evans?????
Makes me almost physically ill to even think about these bottom of the barrel picks, when we could have had TEvans, only 28, 6'6", averaging 19/5/5, and shooting nearly 40% on threes and 80% from the line! Making a little over 3 mil a year. SMH!!
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Mitchell Robinson
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I'd truly stay away from Allen...what the dude does with his legs on defense are not basketball plays. He'll be out of the league in a year or two.
Plenty of guys do plenty of things that are not basketball plays. Smart has. Wade has. Simmons just did in the game today. Marcus Morris gets into multiple dust-ups every year. Cousins is constantly throwing elbows. Draymond Green plays with an edge that verges on dirty non-basketball plays. Isaiah Thomas just whacked Wiggins in the head.
I'm not saying he's not dirty. I'm just saying I think the "tripping" thing is a bit overexaggerrated. None of his trips were dangerous to the opposing basketball player. They were unsportsmanlike, but not dangerous. I think hard fouls in the air or tomahawking a guys arm on a drive is more dangerous than any dirty play Allen has made.
At that point, you just have to examine his work ethic, team attitude, and ability to impact the game. I really like his three-point shooting and I think his driving will be even better with a spread out court in the NBA. He plays for a winning team, and he helps his team win games. He has one of the best euro-steps in college basketball and has the ability to finish explosively at the rim.
He will end up being a good player if he gets drafted by a good coach like Pop, Carlisle, Spo, or CBS. In the right system, he could be an Evan Fournier, which is great value late in the first round.
None of them were dangerous? If the players didn't know how to land they'd easily have injuries, imo this is even worse than those elbows, punches and stuff because you can't see this coming, and the worst part of it is that the dude pretends to have done it on accident and goes into the temper tantrum skin to a 5 year old.
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I'd truly stay away from Allen...what the dude does with his legs on defense are not basketball plays. He'll be out of the league in a year or two.
Danny Ainge did the same stuff when he played. Lol
https://youtu.be/7cTs4zpI3CQ
Lol this isn't the 80s though, and Ainge at least was honest about it instead of pretending all of those plays to be accidents.
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Is it too soon to say Tyreke Evans?????
Makes me almost physically ill to even think about these bottom of the barrel picks, when we could have had TEvans, only 28, 6'6", averaging 19/5/5, and shooting nearly 40% on threes and 80% from the line! Making a little over 3 mil a year. SMH!!
But nah. Let's save our late first-rounder who will most likely have little to zero impact for the Celtics (and Danny Ainge has had a decent history of selecting some bad picks in the mid/late rounds) instead of trading it for Tyreke Evans!
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Ok have my new favorite option for the late 1st
Keita Bates-Diop
Ohio State redshirt Jr.
6'7
235lb
reported 7'2" wingspan
currently averaging just under 20pts 9 RB 1.8 BLKS 1.1STL while shooting 37.6% from 3 on 5 attempts
seems like a perfect fit as a low ceiling high floor backup wing player who can play up as a small ball 4.
He's currently projected to go somewhere mid-1st. I think folks are on to him. Good player. Does a lot of things well.
The latest ESPN mock by Givony has Bates-Diop to us at #27. He can guard 4-5 positions. His scoring has really picked up this year. Ceiling is a bit lower on account of his age, but he has the mark of a late bloomer. The coaching at Ohio State really lagged for a couple of years, and I think that change has done him some real good. He could wind up being the PF version of James Young, of course, but he could also turn into a cheaper version of Marcus Morris by year 2, and maybe a better version of Semi by next year.
Definitely someone I’d be happy to hear announced as our pick in June.
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Ainge's thought bubble while looking at this draft...
"That guy is too big....that guy is too....long.....that guy is too famous....I want a little guy, one that tries really, really hard....you know? 5'11" 182 pounds?"
Danny Ainge wants undersized guards that can't shoot. That's what we would have instead of Brown and Tatum, there just weren't any available in the top 5.
(Remain calm this post is meant to be sarcastic....it's February and the sun come out two hours a week and the Celtics aren't playing so good)
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Its destiny. Troy Brown is coming to the Celtics! I think he's a good all around player that can play both guard positions and defend 3 positions. He has a ridiculous wingspan and is standing at 6'6.
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Is it too soon to say Tyreke Evans?????
Makes me almost physically ill to even think about these bottom of the barrel picks, when we could have had TEvans, only 28, 6'6", averaging 19/5/5, and shooting nearly 40% on threes and 80% from the line! Making a little over 3 mil a year. SMH!!
No, it would be having Evans for 30 games and then losing him for nothing, when we could have some better player in trade with the 1st rounder, or a cost-controlled player for the next several years, with the option to keep him if he's good and cut him after two years if he's not.
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Is it too soon to say Tyreke Evans?????
Makes me almost physically ill to even think about these bottom of the barrel picks, when we could have had TEvans, only 28, 6'6", averaging 19/5/5, and shooting nearly 40% on threes and 80% from the line! Making a little over 3 mil a year. SMH!!
No, it would be having Evans for 30 games and then losing him for nothing, when we could have some better player in trade with the 1st rounder, or a cost-controlled player for the next several years, with the option to keep him if he's good and cut him after two years if he's not.
Not to mention the often overlooked fact that Evans was a career 29.5% from 3 entering this year, and is shooting 29% in 2018, so there is a decent chance that this is still a sub-par shooter who just had a couple of good months, and nothing more.
Evan Turner once had a 3-month stretch where he shot 42% from 3. It happens.
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Ainge's thought bubble while looking at this draft...
"That guy is too big....that guy is too....long.....that guy is too famous....I want a little guy, one that tries really, really hard....you know? 5'11" 182 pounds?"
Danny Ainge wants undersized guards that can't shoot. That's what we would have instead of Brown and Tatum, there just weren't any available in the top 5.
(Remain calm this post is meant to be sarcastic....it's February and the sun come out two hours a week and the Celtics aren't playing so good)
such as tatum? or yabusele? or ojeleye? or zizic? or brown?
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Ainge's thought bubble while looking at this draft...
"That guy is too big....that guy is too....long.....that guy is too famous....I want a little guy, one that tries really, really hard....you know? 5'11" 182 pounds?"
Danny Ainge wants undersized guards that can't shoot. That's what we would have instead of Brown and Tatum, there just weren't any available in the top 5.
(Remain calm this post is meant to be sarcastic....it's February and the sun come out two hours a week and the Celtics aren't playing so good)
such as tatum? or yabusele? or ojeleye? or zizic? or brown?
you have to admit most picks before 2016 fit the undersized guard bill
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Ainge's thought bubble while looking at this draft...
"That guy is too big....that guy is too....long.....that guy is too famous....I want a little guy, one that tries really, really hard....you know? 5'11" 182 pounds?"
Danny Ainge wants undersized guards that can't shoot. That's what we would have instead of Brown and Tatum, there just weren't any available in the top 5.
(Remain calm this post is meant to be sarcastic....it's February and the sun come out two hours a week and the Celtics aren't playing so good)
such as tatum? or yabusele? or ojeleye? or zizic? or brown?
He did already preempt your argument by acknowledging Tatum and Brown, and also made the disclaimer now in green...
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Ainge's thought bubble while looking at this draft...
"That guy is too big....that guy is too....long.....that guy is too famous....I want a little guy, one that tries really, really hard....you know? 5'11" 182 pounds?"
Danny Ainge wants undersized guards that can't shoot. That's what we would have instead of Brown and Tatum, there just weren't any available in the top 5.
(Remain calm this post is meant to be sarcastic....it's February and the sun come out two hours a week and the Celtics aren't playing so good)
Where are you, in Alaska?
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Is it too soon to say Tyreke Evans?????
Makes me almost physically ill to even think about these bottom of the barrel picks, when we could have had TEvans, only 28, 6'6", averaging 19/5/5, and shooting nearly 40% on threes and 80% from the line! Making a little over 3 mil a year. SMH!!
No, it would be having Evans for 30 games and then losing him for nothing, when we could have some better player in trade with the 1st rounder, or a cost-controlled player for the next several years, with the option to keep him if he's good and cut him after two years if he's not.
I don’t get not pulling the trigger. We are not getting a better player than Evans for just that pick. If it’s part of a package, I’m sure a future first would suffice (and maybe more desired). It’s wonderful to have a cost-controlled player or stash a guy like the SAS-model of sustained success, but you gotta do better with your stashes than Yabu or Zizic who still can’t get PT (but perhaps it’s too soon for each?).
We have a lot of players on rookie deals, I don’t think another 25+ pick is that necessary. And many drafts you can buy into the latter part of the first round. If this was a probably mid-first or even potential lottery pick, that’s a different story. Yeah maybe you strike gold with a late first, but what are the odds? Ainge is an excellent GM but has plenty of whiffs in the 20’s. Other than a Rondo, most usually don’t pan out.
Evans could have been an impact player for us in the playoffs. I think we are better than we’ve played these last couple weeks (against tough EC teams), but another scorer would be huge.
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Ok have my new favorite option for the late 1st
Keita Bates-Diop
Ohio State redshirt Jr.
6'7
235lb
reported 7'2" wingspan
currently averaging just under 20pts 9 RB 1.8 BLKS 1.1STL while shooting 37.6% from 3 on 5 attempts
seems like a perfect fit as a low ceiling high floor backup wing player who can play up as a small ball 4.
YES YES YES. Seen every game he has played at OSU. He has improved each year and is very good this year. He would be a great pick.
Can defend 1-4, rebounds and has an inside and outside game. Very steady. Will be Big 10 POY. He was hampered last year with a fracture in his leg. OSU was not very good so they shut him down to get better.
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Is it too soon to say Tyreke Evans?????
Makes me almost physically ill to even think about these bottom of the barrel picks, when we could have had TEvans, only 28, 6'6", averaging 19/5/5, and shooting nearly 40% on threes and 80% from the line! Making a little over 3 mil a year. SMH!!
No, it would be having Evans for 30 games and then losing him for nothing, when we could have some better player in trade with the 1st rounder, or a cost-controlled player for the next several years, with the option to keep him if he's good and cut him after two years if he's not.
Why does everyone just assume that the C's wouldn't resign him? Why I purposely mentioned he's only 28, and if he helped C's make a great run in the playoffs and was happy here, why wouldn't he want to come back, money being equal?
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Ainge's thought bubble while looking at this draft...
"That guy is too big....that guy is too....long.....that guy is too famous....I want a little guy, one that tries really, really hard....you know? 5'11" 182 pounds?"
Danny Ainge wants undersized guards that can't shoot. That's what we would have instead of Brown and Tatum, there just weren't any available in the top 5.
(Remain calm this post is meant to be sarcastic....it's February and the sun come out two hours a week and the Celtics aren't playing so good)
(Staying calm) you do realize Ainge as never drafted a truly undersized guard? The only real exception was Avery who I think he drafted figuring they would develop him into a point guard where he would have had decent size. He also seems to put a premium on positional length.
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Is it too soon to say Tyreke Evans?????
Makes me almost physically ill to even think about these bottom of the barrel picks, when we could have had TEvans, only 28, 6'6", averaging 19/5/5, and shooting nearly 40% on threes and 80% from the line! Making a little over 3 mil a year. SMH!!
No, it would be having Evans for 30 games and then losing him for nothing, when we could have some better player in trade with the 1st rounder, or a cost-controlled player for the next several years, with the option to keep him if he's good and cut him after two years if he's not.
Why does everyone just assume that the C's wouldn't resign him? Why I purposely mentioned he's only 28, and if he helped C's make a great run in the playoffs and was happy here, why wouldn't he want to come back, money being equal?
The most the Cs would be able to offer Evans if he was traded for or even still in this off-season is the MLE (around 8.5mill). The Cs are likely going to need that exception to fill the void at center.
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I think whoever they take should be NBA ready otherwise he's not going to crack the rotation for years. Kinda why I wanted to trade the first for Evans. They need to look for a Kuzma, Brogdan type of player.
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I think whoever they take should be NBA ready otherwise he's not going to crack the rotation for years. Kinda why I wanted to trade the first for Evans. They need to look for a Kuzma, Brogdan type of player.
Jalen Brunson, 'Nova; Bonzie Colson, NDame (weird kind of player for his height) and Shake Milton, SMU, fit the bill as well as about 6 or 7 others. You may get your wish if someone (like Gary Trent) doesn't fall through the cracks.
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I think whoever they take should be NBA ready otherwise he's not going to crack the rotation for years. Kinda why I wanted to trade the first for Evans. They need to look for a Kuzma, Brogdan type of player.
Jalen Brunson, 'Nova; Bonzie Colson, NDame (weird kind of player for his height) and Shake Milton, SMU, fit the bill as well as about 6 or 7 others. You may get your wish if someone (like Gary Trent) doesn't fall through the cracks.
nbadraftroom identifies Kostja Mushidi as a potential Brogdon type. And his profile there makes him sound like a very desirable player, especially if we can't hold onto Smart. I think he'll be gone by the Celtics pick.
Meanwhile, Shake Milton is a baseball player's name. Obviously no one informed him of that.
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I think whoever they take should be NBA ready otherwise he's not going to crack the rotation for years. Kinda why I wanted to trade the first for Evans. They need to look for a Kuzma, Brogdan type of player.
Jalen Brunson, 'Nova; Bonzie Colson, NDame (weird kind of player for his height) and Shake Milton, SMU, fit the bill as well as about 6 or 7 others. You may get your wish if someone (like Gary Trent) doesn't fall through the cracks.
nbadraftroom identifies Kostja Mushidi as a potential Brogdon type. And his profile there makes him sound like a very desirable player, especially if we can't hold onto Smart. I think he'll be gone by the Celtics pick.
Meanwhile, Shake Milton is a baseball player's name. Obviously no one informed him of that.
That's a real dilemma. I do like the name Shake Milton for any type of athlete, but it's hard to give up the unintentional humor of Tommy trying to pronounce Kostja Mushidi.
Mike
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
It does, but it doesn’t seem like that process is moving very quickly.
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
Thanks. I've been unable to find that info anywhere. That's a solid class based on how guys like John Collins, Jarrett Allen, Anunoby, Kuzma, Hart, etc. have looked so far.
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As youth coaching starts earlier, improves and proliferates, we are going to see more deeper drafts. Simple numbers. Tatum a good example of a kid who got really good coaching at a very young age, which is why his skill level is so advanced at such a young age. You hear the older pros like Pierce comment about this sometimes.
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
Thanks. I've been unable to find that info anywhere. That's a solid class based on how guys like John Collins, Jarrett Allen, Anunoby, Kuzma, Hart, etc. have looked so far.
Yeah, I've seen multiple recent mocks with players like Keita Bates-Diop and Hamidou Diallo in the late 20s. Bates-Diop has been talked about a lot in this thread -- he looks like a day one contributor as a four-year college player who brings plus defense and distance shooting. Diallo is more of a high-upside gamble of a pick, who had a chance to be a 1st round pick last year while skipping college altogether (like Thon Maker) but pulled out of the draft after not being able to get a high enough guarantee. He's totally a Toronto type of pick, except that they don't have one this year.
There's still risk on who you pick, of course, but that late 1st has a real chance to produce a very good player.
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
Only if it applies to this year's underclassmen, which it doesn't. Then you're looking at the 2020 draft and beyond. Next year's draft doesn't look so hot right now and will be even worse if the incoming freshman have to stick around an extra year.
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
Only if it applies to this year's underclassmen, which it doesn't. Then you're looking at the 2020 draft and beyond. Next year's draft doesn't look so hot right now and will be even worse if the incoming freshman have to stick around an extra year.
There are competing proposals. One version of eliminating the one-and-done rule, that Silver seemed to lean towards in December, would allow high school entry again. The other would be a two-and-done, which he seemed to favor in the past. I think the FBI scandal pushed him and some owners towards this newer position, but as that fades from the news, I think consensus won't form around it. Two-and-done is probably DOA with the union as well, so I don't see that happening.
Allowing players to skip college would steal from the 2020 draft and make the 2019 draft a bit better than it otherwise projects to be.
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
Only if it applies to this year's underclassmen, which it doesn't. Then you're looking at the 2020 draft and beyond. Next year's draft doesn't look so hot right now and will be even worse if the incoming freshman have to stick around an extra year.
There are competing proposals. One version of eliminating the one-and-done rule, that Silver seemed to lean towards in December, would allow high school entry again. The other would be a two-and-done, which he seemed to favor in the past. I think the FBI scandal pushed him and some owners towards this newer position, but as that fades from the news, I think consensus won't form around it. Two-and-done is probably DOA with the union as well, so I don't see that happening.
Allowing players to skip college would steal from the 2020 draft and make the 2019 draft a bit better than it otherwise projects to be.
I read that this seems to be a decision that will come this offseason. Can't remember who wrote the article so not sure how reliable that info is.
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
Only if it applies to this year's underclassmen, which it doesn't. Then you're looking at the 2020 draft and beyond. Next year's draft doesn't look so hot right now and will be even worse if the incoming freshman have to stick around an extra year.
There are competing proposals. One version of eliminating the one-and-done rule, that Silver seemed to lean towards in December, would allow high school entry again. The other would be a two-and-done, which he seemed to favor in the past. I think the FBI scandal pushed him and some owners towards this newer position, but as that fades from the news, I think consensus won't form around it. Two-and-done is probably DOA with the union as well, so I don't see that happening.
Allowing players to skip college would steal from the 2020 draft and make the 2019 draft a bit better than it otherwise projects to be.
I read that this seems to be a decision that will come this offseason. Can't remember who wrote the article so not sure how reliable that info is.
It has to go through union negotation in addition to owner ratification -- if they don't have a proposal out before this upcoming draft, I'd be surprised if it happened in time for 2019. Because it impacts trades, they don't normally like to change rules of the draft in that league year.
And the main proposal is to allow kids to enter from high school, or require at least two years in college if you go to school. So how would incoming freshmen, currently eligible in 2019, be affected? Would they be pushed into 2020?
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Last year's draft was really deep. I've gotten the impression this year's is not, but Joogle offers little info. on it. Is it still to early to tell? Any one have insight into this? Seems a draft as deep as last year comes every 3 years or so on average.
This year’s class is maybe not quite as deep as last year’s but not too far off. For the caliber of player you hope to get in the late 1st, it’s about the same. A little less deep at the top (the drop off starts 6-7 players in instead of near the end of the lottery like last year).
Next year’s class looks not good, however.
If the league gets rid of the one and done rule, like they are discussing, though doesn't that make next year's draft much better?
Only if it applies to this year's underclassmen, which it doesn't. Then you're looking at the 2020 draft and beyond. Next year's draft doesn't look so hot right now and will be even worse if the incoming freshman have to stick around an extra year.
There are competing proposals. One version of eliminating the one-and-done rule, that Silver seemed to lean towards in December, would allow high school entry again. The other would be a two-and-done, which he seemed to favor in the past. I think the FBI scandal pushed him and some owners towards this newer position, but as that fades from the news, I think consensus won't form around it. Two-and-done is probably DOA with the union as well, so I don't see that happening.
Per Woj, the two and done would only take place if the player enters college.
Nevertheless, there's a growing belief within the league that Silver's desire to end the one-and-done -- the ability of college basketball players to enter the NBA draft after playing one year in college -- could be pushing the sport closer to high school players having the opportunity to directly enter the league again. For that change to happen, though, the union would probably need to cede the one-and-done rule and agree to a mandate that players entering college must stay two years before declaring for the draft.
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Looks like there's a few big men projected at the top of the 2020 class. Would be great if they could roll into 2019.
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One other player I haven't seen mentioned, that could fit DA's profile, that could be available is Trevon Bluiett. He's not a great athlete but is a nice combo guard and can play the 1, 2 or 3. He's also a very consistent shooter, at .443 from deep this year, was at .371 last year and .398 the year before that.
He's not even on nbadraft.net's mock draft. I know he doesn't have explosiveness but there is no way this kid doesn't get drafted. I think some of these mocks are missing the boat on him.
It's a little like last year when I didn't see Luke Kennard on draftexperss's mock AT ALL and had to email them and tell them I would lose all respect for them if they didn't add Kennard to the list. Sure enough, a week later, boom! Maybe they just overlooked him at the time but they didn't reply to my email saying they did or didn't.