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Title: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on December 23, 2017, 04:32:49 PM
Just saw on the News.

The whole Russia thing is a witch hunt.

They are just trying to drag it out until next years election.

Trump is right , the top of the FBI is totally corrupt,  trying to stop a dually elected President of the United States.

Time for people to go to jail, watch yourself Comey and Hillary....
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: nickagneta on December 23, 2017, 04:53:38 PM
I would think Trump supporters would be happy to get rid of McCabe.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: esel1000 on December 23, 2017, 04:56:12 PM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Roy H. on December 23, 2017, 04:56:52 PM
I’ve got to say, the FBI is way more of a mess than I think most people (of whatever political persuasion) anticipated. I always respected them as top cops, and most of them still are. The problem is that the closer you get to the top, the more you get ladder-climbing bureaucrats.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on December 23, 2017, 04:59:05 PM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.

Has nothing to do with the rank and file of FBI. Like I said it's the very top, totally politicized.  Trying to get one candidate elected over another while totally dismissing all the wrong doing by the Clinton criminal organization....
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 23, 2017, 05:02:37 PM
You may be right; you may be wrong. You should probably consider both possibilities. 

Not sure the dictionary definition of "witch hunt" as an idiom, but if it is supposed to mean a politically motivated effort to discredit an opponent for which there is no meaningful evidence to warrant the effort, then I can't quite fathom you calling the "Russia thing" a witch hunt.  I doubt a true idiomatic "witch hunt" would produce the indictments, circumstantial evidence and connections that this investigation has already produced .   It may very well turn out that there is no actual collusion between Trump's campaign and the Russian government to work together to sway the election -- however, that will not mean it has been a witch hunt.  And btw, I believe there will not be any proof of collusion -- but I definitely think the investigation is warranted.

I am also all for exploring anything that Hillary or Comey did, or anything that involves an FBI conspiracy v. Trump.  Hillary has been pretty deeply investigated -- and I'm fine if that is re-energized if there is smoke. 

I am confused as to why you aren't OK with the Trump-Russia investigation as it seems so apparent that there may be guilt (or question-worth behavior) beyond Manafort, beyond Flynn -- which should be enough for even the most reluctant conspiracy theorist to raise an eyebrow.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: liam on December 23, 2017, 05:57:52 PM
Deep State, False News, Witch Hunt,...sad...
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: FatKidsDad on December 23, 2017, 06:11:40 PM
J a dually elected President of the United States.


Was he elected twice or was he driving a big pickup truck? ;)
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 23, 2017, 06:17:45 PM
Both Trump supporters and haters are pretty set in their stance with regard to the Russia investigation, so it's not worth it to type out a prolonged argument here.

What I find troubling is that many people aren't concerned with the unwarranted attacks on Mueller and his team, much of it coming from members of the House Intel Committee who are supposed to be running an objective investigation.  There has been some very shady activity, especially from Devin Nunes.  Just because McCabe and Strzok have political viewpoints (like everyone else in the FBI) does not mean that the investigation is automatically compromised.  There's zero evidence that it is a partisan "witch hunt", while on the other hand the events that have unfolded thus far show that Trump, Trump's family, and key members of his team have ALL lied about having connections to Russian officials.

Even if the investigation shows no collusion between Trump himself and Russia, that's fine.  What matters is that we get to the bottom of what happened so that future Russian (or other foreign govts) efforts are thwarted.  I don't care who it is - if it's Trump, Sanders, Clinton - if there was the same cloud of suspicion that enveloped one of these politicians' campaign, I'd want it investigated.  It's amazing how Trump supports cry foul about this investigation, but if it were Clinton the calls for her head would be endless.  If Trump is innocent then there's nothing to worry about.  Let Mueller carry out his investigation without interference.  The way that he and the Republicans are acting only heightens suspicion in the public eye.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: saltlover on December 23, 2017, 06:30:32 PM
Barely a year ago articles were being saying how agents called the FBI “Trumpland”, and now we’re supposed to believe that it’s the Deep State out to topple Trump?

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump (https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/03/fbi-leaks-hillary-clinton-james-comey-donald-trump)

Neither, of course, is or was true.  The FBI has 35,000 employees who come from all political persuasions, although probably has a conservative lean as does most law enforcement (that’s just a societal thing as law enforcement is weighted towards people with military backgrounds, which is weighted towards people with conservative backgrounds, and is not a judgment on law enforcement officers, either positively or negatively).  Certainly amongst 35,000 people there will be a few people who hold political bias while performing their jobs, and that’s true for the left, right, and center.  It’s  arguable that the bias from the right in the FBI affected the election more than bias from the left.

Anyway, the FBI on the whole does good work, as is true with all federal agencies.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 23, 2017, 06:31:57 PM
Trump
Was
Dually
Elected.


I feel like the Trump era will be remembered for highlighting the shortcomings of many of our nation’s institutions
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on December 23, 2017, 06:38:50 PM
Trump
Was
Dually
Elected.


I feel like the Trump era will be remembered for highlighting the shortcomings of many of our nation’s institutions

Or spellchecker changing what we type ;)
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Jiri Welsch on December 23, 2017, 06:41:17 PM
Trump
Was
Dually
Elected.


I feel like the Trump era will be remembered for highlighting the shortcomings of many of our nation’s institutions

Or spellchecker changing what we type ;)

Lol sorry I just thought that was a funny autocorrect. I’m of the mindset that “neither Trump nor the FBI are doing things right. But my gut tells me the FBI is closer to “right” than Trump”
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on December 23, 2017, 06:46:32 PM
Trump
Was
Dually
Elected.


I feel like the Trump era will be remembered for highlighting the shortcomings of many of our nation’s institutions

Or spellchecker changing what we type ;)

Been victim of many such eras myself.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on December 23, 2017, 06:54:28 PM
Trump
Was
Dually
Elected.


I feel like the Trump era will be remembered for highlighting the shortcomings of many of our nation’s institutions

Or spellchecker changing what we type ;)

Been victim of many such eras myself.

Lol TP

It's more of the speech to text function
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: GratefulCs on December 23, 2017, 07:13:21 PM
it's okay


mccabe's taste in music was horrible
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on December 23, 2017, 07:24:44 PM
it's okay


mccabe's taste in music was horrible

Absolutely,  I heard his favorite band is culture club ...
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 23, 2017, 07:38:02 PM
There is a fair amount of proof that some of the agents are partisans. 
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: indeedproceed on December 23, 2017, 09:01:09 PM
There is a fair amount of proof that some of the agents are partisans. 

Some meaning how many, generally speaking? Partisan in what way? Because Id love to see the exact breakdown of FBI agents (the FBI generally being a conservative-leaning body) that have allowed their beliefs to affect the integrity of their work. Of course the FBI is full of people with partisan beliefs. We’re a 2 party state. Where are you going to find these intellectual eunuchs who don’t have political leanings?


Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: blink on December 23, 2017, 10:11:24 PM
The russia investigation is hardly a witch hunt.  Trump and the like feel if you say a lie enough times to enough people that people will start to believe it.  It just isn't the case.

Trump's tweet about McCabe is at worst witness tampering, and at best distraction from the real investigation - Mueller's.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 23, 2017, 10:14:45 PM
it's okay


mccabe's taste in music was horrible

Absolutely,  I heard his favorite band is culture club ...

So does he really want to hurt Trump?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: liam on December 23, 2017, 10:39:01 PM
it's okay


mccabe's taste in music was horrible

Absolutely,  I heard his favorite band is culture club ...

So does he really want to hurt Trump?

He really wants to make him cry!
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Roy H. on December 23, 2017, 10:53:18 PM
There is a fair amount of proof that some of the agents are partisans. 

Some meaning how many, generally speaking? Partisan in what way? Because Id love to see the exact breakdown of FBI agents (the FBI generally being a conservative-leaning body) that have allowed their beliefs to affect the integrity of their work. Of course the FBI is full of people with partisan beliefs. We’re a 2 party state. Where are you going to find these intellectual eunuchs who don’t have political leanings?

1. McCabe’s wife received hundreds of thousands of dollars from the Hillary / “Friends of Bill” network while running for state Senate in VA, while Clinton was under FBI investigation.

Think of that in any other context: around $500k is funneled to the spouse of the Deputy Director of the FBI by personal friends and allies of an accused criminal. That looks bad.

2. Peter Strzok played a key role in the Clinton and Trump investigations. He altered the language of the FBI’s Hillary findings, changing key language to construe her actions as non-criminal. He talked about Trump being an utter idiot, supporting Hillary and saying “she just had” to win, Trump “can not be President”, etc. One text:

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"I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy's [Andrew McCabe, Deputy Director of the FBI] office—that there's no way [Trump] gets elected—but I'm afraid we can't take that risk. It's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40 ... "

It looks fishy. As the partisan liberal Vox said, “combined with the other texts openly critical of Trump and supportive of Clinton, it certainly suggested some degree of bias on Strzok’s part”.

Couple that with Comey leaking stories to the media and things look extremely unprofessional.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 24, 2017, 02:23:55 AM
it's okay


mccabe's taste in music was horrible

Absolutely,  I heard his favorite band is culture club ...

So does he really want to hurt Trump?

He really wants to make him cry!

LOL TP

I guess my politcally-connected friend RH didn't get it...

Those Republicans and their innate lack of humor.............. ;D :)
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 24, 2017, 06:05:01 AM
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Some meaning how many, generally speaking? Partisan in what way? Because Id love to see the exact breakdown of FBI agents (the FBI generally being a conservative-leaning body) that have allowed their beliefs to affect the integrity of their work. Of course the FBI is full of people with partisan beliefs. We’re a 2 party state. Where are you going to find these intellectual eunuchs who don’t have political leanings?

You asked and you shall receive, the article below breaks down the ideology of many agencies.   You're right in your assertion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/12/16/president-trump-claims-the-fbi-is-tainted-and-its-reputation-in-tatters-this-graph-shows-hes-wrong/?utm_term=.cf7ca58d656a

I am sure most of them do a great job.  But this guy,  Peter Strzok, seemed unable to separate his duties from his ideology.  I do not know of any wide conspiracy.  Perhaps the directors are solely appointed by the president and they promote their guys?

More on Strzok:

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this particular text message, while raising some valid questions, according to my reading seems to be less than a canary in a conspiracy theory coal mine. Here's Strzok's full text, which was released along with many others last week:

I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected — but I'm afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40.

This text is from August 2016, and “Andy” may refer to Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe. The argument among some on the right is that “insurance policy” refers to some kind of deep-state conspiracy to take down Trump, and that it possibly even implicates McCabe, the No. 2 official at the FBI whose wife, Jill, happened to be a Democratic candidate for the Virginia state Senate last year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/18/peter-strzoks-insurance-policy-text-message-and-the-search-for-an-anti-trump-deep-state-smoking-gun/?utm_term=.ef2f9bd9db86

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The recently released news of the firing (which occurred months ago) has brought attention to the FBI agent, Peter Strzok, as well as the several key investigations of which Strzok was a part, and the possibility that Strzok’s political interests compromised the credibility of the investigations.

During the presidential elections, Strzok was involved in the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s unsecured email server and her receipt of classified documents through that server. According to The Hill, Strzok allegedly edited a key phrase in the FBI’s conclusion on the case when former FBI Director James Comey gave his statement on the FBI’s decision.

Strzok changed the language on the Clinton email case from “grossly negligent,” which would have been a crime, to “extremely careless.” Changing the phrase may have exonerated Clinton.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/firing-of-fbi-agent-calls-attention-to-partisanship-in-high-stakes-investigations_2379771.html

Now they did the right thing and fire him and now McCabe has resigned.  So maybe they got them all but Strzok clearly did things that were partisan.  Did Comey know about this matter and that is why he disclosed prior to the election to get ahead of this????

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I guess my politcally-connected friend RH didn't get it...

Those Republicans and their innate lack of humor

In all honesty, those song jokes were not that funny, it did not make me "Tumble for you"
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Roy H. on December 24, 2017, 08:37:50 AM
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Some meaning how many, generally speaking? Partisan in what way? Because Id love to see the exact breakdown of FBI agents (the FBI generally being a conservative-leaning body) that have allowed their beliefs to affect the integrity of their work. Of course the FBI is full of people with partisan beliefs. We’re a 2 party state. Where are you going to find these intellectual eunuchs who don’t have political leanings?

You asked and you shall receive, the article below breaks down the ideology of many agencies.   You're right in your assertion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/12/16/president-trump-claims-the-fbi-is-tainted-and-its-reputation-in-tatters-this-graph-shows-hes-wrong/?utm_term=.cf7ca58d656a

I am sure most of them do a great job.  But this guy,  Peter Strzok, seemed unable to separate his duties from his ideology.  I do not know of any wide conspiracy.  Perhaps the directors are solely appointed by the president and they promote their guys?

More on Strzok:

Quote
this particular text message, while raising some valid questions, according to my reading seems to be less than a canary in a conspiracy theory coal mine. Here's Strzok's full text, which was released along with many others last week:

I want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in Andy’s office — that there’s no way he gets elected — but I'm afraid we can’t take that risk. It’s like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you're 40.

This text is from August 2016, and “Andy” may refer to Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe. The argument among some on the right is that “insurance policy” refers to some kind of deep-state conspiracy to take down Trump, and that it possibly even implicates McCabe, the No. 2 official at the FBI whose wife, Jill, happened to be a Democratic candidate for the Virginia state Senate last year.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/12/18/peter-strzoks-insurance-policy-text-message-and-the-search-for-an-anti-trump-deep-state-smoking-gun/?utm_term=.ef2f9bd9db86

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The recently released news of the firing (which occurred months ago) has brought attention to the FBI agent, Peter Strzok, as well as the several key investigations of which Strzok was a part, and the possibility that Strzok’s political interests compromised the credibility of the investigations.

During the presidential elections, Strzok was involved in the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s unsecured email server and her receipt of classified documents through that server. According to The Hill, Strzok allegedly edited a key phrase in the FBI’s conclusion on the case when former FBI Director James Comey gave his statement on the FBI’s decision.

Strzok changed the language on the Clinton email case from “grossly negligent,” which would have been a crime, to “extremely careless.” Changing the phrase may have exonerated Clinton.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/firing-of-fbi-agent-calls-attention-to-partisanship-in-high-stakes-investigations_2379771.html

Now they did the right thing and fire him and now McCabe has resigned.  So maybe they got them all but Strzok clearly did things that were partisan.  Did Comey know about this matter and that is why he disclosed prior to the election to get ahead of this????

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I guess my politcally-connected friend RH didn't get it...

Those Republicans and their innate lack of humor

In all honesty, those song jokes were not that funny, it did not make me "Tumble for you"

Plus, if we’re connecting Culture Club to politics, shouldn’t we go with:

If I listened to your lies, would you say
I'm a man without conviction
I'm a man who doesn't know?
How to sell a contradiction


Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Pucaccia on December 24, 2017, 12:14:57 PM
Just saw on the News.

The whole Russia thing is a witch hunt.

They are just trying to drag it out until next years election.

Trump is right , the top of the FBI is totally corrupt,  trying to stop a dually elected President of the United States.

Time for people to go to jail, watch yourself Comey and Hillary....

Good, one less swamp rat.  Unfortunately the swamp is infested.  He must of realized that the Inspector General was on to him and after being in front of the congressional committee he saw the writing on the wall. This still doesn't keep him from being prosecuted. What he potentially or allegedly did was reprehensible.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Pucaccia on December 24, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
I would think Trump supporters would be happy to get rid of McCabe.

It doesn't matter if your a Trump supporter or not, wouldn't you want corruption out of the swamp?  Don't you want the FBI to be as Apolitical as possible?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Pucaccia on December 24, 2017, 12:20:31 PM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
.
One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on December 24, 2017, 01:33:10 PM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
.
One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?

The entire basis of the smears on McCabe and others is getting people to turn their backs on corruption.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: No Nickname on December 24, 2017, 06:20:52 PM
...trying to stop a dually elected President of the United States.

Well, many think he truly was elected by both American and Russian constituencies. 😂
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Roy H. on December 24, 2017, 07:45:50 PM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
.
One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?

The entire basis of the smears on McCabe and others is getting people to turn their backs on corruption.

If they didn’t engage in behavior that appears improper, nobody would care. Taking roughly $500k from Clunton donors while investigating her, having an anti-Trump partisan deeply invested in keeping Trump out of office being a key investigator into both Hillary and Trump, the Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting, the Comey leaks to the media...

How can anybody who cares about unbiased justice feel comfortable with any of that?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 24, 2017, 07:53:49 PM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
.
One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?

The entire basis of the smears on McCabe and others is getting people to turn their backs on corruption.

If they didn’t engage in behavior that appears improper, nobody would care. Taking roughly $500k from Clunton donors while investigating her, having an anti-Trump partisan deeply invested in keeping Trump out of office being a key investigator into both Hillary and Trump, the Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting, the Comey leaks to the media...

How can anybody who cares about unbiased justice feel comfortable with any of that?

So do we stop the Russia investigation?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: blink on December 24, 2017, 08:25:02 PM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
.
One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?

The entire basis of the smears on McCabe and others is getting people to turn their backs on corruption.

If they didn’t engage in behavior that appears improper, nobody would care. Taking roughly $500k from Clunton donors while investigating her, having an anti-Trump partisan deeply invested in keeping Trump out of office being a key investigator into both Hillary and Trump, the Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting, the Comey leaks to the media...

How can anybody who cares about unbiased justice feel comfortable with any of that?

So do we stop the Russia investigation?

No.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 24, 2017, 08:31:33 PM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
.
One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?

The entire basis of the smears on McCabe and others is getting people to turn their backs on corruption.

If they didn’t engage in behavior that appears improper, nobody would care. Taking roughly $500k from Clunton donors while investigating her, having an anti-Trump partisan deeply invested in keeping Trump out of office being a key investigator into both Hillary and Trump, the Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting, the Comey leaks to the media...

How can anybody who cares about unbiased justice feel comfortable with any of that?

So do we stop the Russia investigation?

No.

Thank God, then.

Getting tired of certain groups (and people's) attacks on the FBI.

LET THEM DO THEIR JOBS. Clean out the VERY few bad apples and leave them alone.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Roy H. on December 24, 2017, 08:52:34 PM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
.
One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?

The entire basis of the smears on McCabe and others is getting people to turn their backs on corruption.

If they didn’t engage in behavior that appears improper, nobody would care. Taking roughly $500k from Clunton donors while investigating her, having an anti-Trump partisan deeply invested in keeping Trump out of office being a key investigator into both Hillary and Trump, the Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting, the Comey leaks to the media...

How can anybody who cares about unbiased justice feel comfortable with any of that?

So do we stop the Russia investigation?

No, not at this point.  I do think that the scope of the investigation should be clarified internally, however.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: feckless on December 24, 2017, 09:27:29 PM
Putting aside everything else --If Mueller proves to your satisfaction that Trump and the Russians coordinated press releases, the release of dirt on Hillary, manipulating the Republican position on the Ukraine, targeting political positions on facebook and business deals for Manafort, Flynn and Jared, etc.--is it treason (in the common meaning of the word) and should Trump be impeached?

Why not wait to see what Mueller proves and what you all think of what evidence he has?  Some of the coincidences, plus Flynn's guilty plea and Manafort's charges certainly lead to possibilities.  Or do you see the worse case scenario for Trump as politics as usual?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: indeedproceed on December 24, 2017, 09:35:40 PM
Putting aside everything else --If Mueller proves to your satisfaction that Trump and the Russians coordinated press releases, the release of dirt on Hillary, manipulating the Republican position on the Ukraine, targeting political positions on facebook and business deals for Manafort, Flynn and Jared, etc.--is it treason (in the common meaning of the word) and should Trump be impeached?

Why not wait to see what Mueller proves and what you all think of what evidence he has?  Some of the coincidences, plus Flynn's guilty plea and Manafort's charges certainly lead to possibilities.  Or do you see the worse case scenario for Trump as politics as usual?

Because Trump knows there is fire somewhere in his past. He's got dirt, the guy's been sued more times than...well just about anyone. He's been sued close to 2000 times, nearly 200 times in federal court. If anyone knows the process and how to maneuver it, it's Donald Trump.

Seems here he and his legal team would rather burn down whole floors of the FBI building than allow the investigation to work. Here's hoping he can only cause superficial damage to America and her institutions.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: KGs Knee on December 24, 2017, 09:41:49 PM
Putting aside everything else --If Mueller proves to your satisfaction that Trump and the Russians coordinated press releases, the release of dirt on Hillary, manipulating the Republican position on the Ukraine, targeting political positions on facebook and business deals for Manafort, Flynn and Jared, etc.--is it treason (in the common meaning of the word) and should Trump be impeached?

Why not wait to see what Mueller proves and what you all think of what evidence he has?  Some of the coincidences, plus Flynn's guilty plea and Manafort's charges certainly lead to possibilities.  Or do you see the worse case scenario for Trump as politics as usual?

Why do Trump supporters have to "wait and see" before coming to any conclusions, yet his detractors can just go about talking in certainties about his guilt?

I seriously doubt any everyday citizen really knows what happened, if anything at all, or the scope and depth of what happened if something did actually happen. It gets tiring listening to people on either side talking like they actually know, when they likely have nothing other than biased suspicions based on whatever slanted news source they choose to listen to.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 24, 2017, 09:45:27 PM
Putting aside everything else --If Mueller proves to your satisfaction that Trump and the Russians coordinated press releases, the release of dirt on Hillary, manipulating the Republican position on the Ukraine, targeting political positions on facebook and business deals for Manafort, Flynn and Jared, etc.--is it treason (in the common meaning of the word) and should Trump be impeached?

Why not wait to see what Mueller proves and what you all think of what evidence he has?  Some of the coincidences, plus Flynn's guilty plea and Manafort's charges certainly lead to possibilities.  Or do you see the worse case scenario for Trump as politics as usual?

Why do Trump supporters have to "wait and see" before coming to any conclusions, yet his detractors can just go about talking in certainties about his guilt?

I seriously doubt any everyday citizen really knows what happened, if anything at all, or the scope and depth of what happened if something did actually happen. It gets tiring listening to people on either side talking like they actually know, when they likely have nothing other than biased suspicions based on whatever slanted news source they choose to listen to.

Well, Manafort and Gen. Flynn are GREAT starts.

Even MORE reason to see this thing through to the VERY end.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 24, 2017, 09:51:46 PM
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Well, Manafort and Gen. Flynn are GREAT starts.

So would John and Tony Podesta.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on December 24, 2017, 09:55:34 PM
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Well, Manafort and Gen. Flynn are GREAT starts.

So would John and Tony Podesta.

Yup.

But for the group in power at the moment (Republicans) to be seemingly so one-sided in the smear campaign against the FBI is troubling, to say the least.

What are they trying to hide?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Cman on December 24, 2017, 10:44:19 PM
Trump
Was
Dually
Elected.


I feel like the Trump era will be remembered for highlighting the shortcomings of many of our nation’s institutions

Or spellchecker changing what we type ;)

Been victim of many such eras myself.

Lol TP

It's more of the speech to text function

TPs to you both for good humor. Rare to see on CB. Let’s all follow your lead.  Cheers. And Merry Christmas.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: 86MaxwellSmart on December 24, 2017, 11:30:53 PM
The only reason that there is a Mueller investigation, is because the FBI used a fake dossier to be able to spy on Trump's team (Insurance Policy)....Lots of dirty work atop the FBI.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: KGs Knee on December 24, 2017, 11:32:24 PM
Putting aside everything else --If Mueller proves to your satisfaction that Trump and the Russians coordinated press releases, the release of dirt on Hillary, manipulating the Republican position on the Ukraine, targeting political positions on facebook and business deals for Manafort, Flynn and Jared, etc.--is it treason (in the common meaning of the word) and should Trump be impeached?

Why not wait to see what Mueller proves and what you all think of what evidence he has?  Some of the coincidences, plus Flynn's guilty plea and Manafort's charges certainly lead to possibilities.  Or do you see the worse case scenario for Trump as politics as usual?

Why do Trump supporters have to "wait and see" before coming to any conclusions, yet his detractors can just go about talking in certainties about his guilt?

I seriously doubt any everyday citizen really knows what happened, if anything at all, or the scope and depth of what happened if something did actually happen. It gets tiring listening to people on either side talking like they actually know, when they likely have nothing other than biased suspicions based on whatever slanted news source they choose to listen to.

Well, Manafort and Gen. Flynn are GREAT starts.

Even MORE reason to see this thing through to the VERY end.

Oh, I agree the investigations should continue, unimpeded by anyone with something to lose.

I just happen to find it rather distasteful so many people have already decided in their own mind who is or isn't guilty without waiting for the facts of the investigation.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: nickagneta on December 24, 2017, 11:49:34 PM
Putting aside everything else --If Mueller proves to your satisfaction that Trump and the Russians coordinated press releases, the release of dirt on Hillary, manipulating the Republican position on the Ukraine, targeting political positions on facebook and business deals for Manafort, Flynn and Jared, etc.--is it treason (in the common meaning of the word) and should Trump be impeached?

Why not wait to see what Mueller proves and what you all think of what evidence he has?  Some of the coincidences, plus Flynn's guilty plea and Manafort's charges certainly lead to possibilities.  Or do you see the worse case scenario for Trump as politics as usual?

Why do Trump supporters have to "wait and see" before coming to any conclusions, yet his detractors can just go about talking in certainties about his guilt?

I seriously doubt any everyday citizen really knows what happened, if anything at all, or the scope and depth of what happened if something did actually happen. It gets tiring listening to people on either side talking like they actually know, when they likely have nothing other than biased suspicions based on whatever slanted news source they choose to listen to.

Well, Manafort and Gen. Flynn are GREAT starts.

Even MORE reason to see this thing through to the VERY end.

Oh, I agree the investigations should continue, unimpeded by anyone with something to lose.

I just happen to find it rather distasteful so many people have already decided in their own mind who is or isn't guilty without waiting for the facts of the investigation.
I'm a liberal...no surprise to anyone who has been on this sit for a while. But the circumstantial evidence as well the timeline evidence against Trump's transition and election team, as well as the stuff they have nabbed Flynn and Manafort on, is just too overwhelming for just about any American citizen to just partisanly dismiss. I don't think they will nab Trump, but the man did dirty stuff and a lot of the people around him are going to go down for it.

But....

What's happened at the top of the FBI and how they seriously screwed up the Clinton investigation and passed over this Clinton involvement with McCabe's wife is pretty dirty there too. I honestly don't think Clinton did anything wrong with her emails as SOS. But the Clinton Foundation and who they handed out money to is dirty as hell and probably broke all sorts of laws.

I want all of them who broke the law and conspired to hurt this country to go down....Clintons and Trumps. They all suck.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: KGs Knee on December 25, 2017, 12:00:06 AM
Putting aside everything else --If Mueller proves to your satisfaction that Trump and the Russians coordinated press releases, the release of dirt on Hillary, manipulating the Republican position on the Ukraine, targeting political positions on facebook and business deals for Manafort, Flynn and Jared, etc.--is it treason (in the common meaning of the word) and should Trump be impeached?

Why not wait to see what Mueller proves and what you all think of what evidence he has?  Some of the coincidences, plus Flynn's guilty plea and Manafort's charges certainly lead to possibilities.  Or do you see the worse case scenario for Trump as politics as usual?

Why do Trump supporters have to "wait and see" before coming to any conclusions, yet his detractors can just go about talking in certainties about his guilt?

I seriously doubt any everyday citizen really knows what happened, if anything at all, or the scope and depth of what happened if something did actually happen. It gets tiring listening to people on either side talking like they actually know, when they likely have nothing other than biased suspicions based on whatever slanted news source they choose to listen to.

Well, Manafort and Gen. Flynn are GREAT starts.

Even MORE reason to see this thing through to the VERY end.

Oh, I agree the investigations should continue, unimpeded by anyone with something to lose.

I just happen to find it rather distasteful so many people have already decided in their own mind who is or isn't guilty without waiting for the facts of the investigation.
I'm a liberal...no surprise to anyone who has been on this sit for a while. But the circumstantial evidence as well the timeline evidence against Trump's transition and election team, as well as the stuff they have nabbed Flynn and Manafort on, is just too overwhelming for just about any American citizen to just partisanly dismiss. I don't think they will nab Trump, but the man did dirty stuff and a lot of the people around him are going to go down for it.

But....

What's happened at the top of the FBI and how they seriously screwed up the Clinton investigation and passed over this Clinton involvement with McCabe's wife is pretty dirty there too. I honestly don't think Clinton did anything wrong with her emails as SOS. But the Clinton Foundation and who they handed out money to is dirty as hell and probably broke all sorts of laws.

I want all of them who broke the law and conspired to hurt this country to go down....Clintons and Trumps. They all suck.

Again, you won't get any disagreement from me there.  It's one of the bigger reasons why I didn't vote for either of them.  I just wish more people would have chose to not vote for either of them.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: SCeltic34 on December 25, 2017, 12:02:03 AM
The only reason that there is a Mueller investigation, is because the FBI used a fake dossier to be able to spy on Trump's team (Insurance Policy)....Lots of dirty work atop the FBI.

Eh, I don't think that's it.  If Trump hadn't fired Comey at an inopportune time, Rosenstein probably wouldn't have appointed Mueller.  If Trump wanted Comey gone, he should have gotten rid of him soon after he seized power and probably shouldn't have make such a stupid remark about how firing Comey took a load off.  Recall also that Comey informed Trump personally about the dossier. 

Both Comey and McCabe have gone under oath and McCabe has corroborated Comey's testimony.  Trump has not gone under oath while calling Comey a liar.  That should count for something, unless you're so far gone for Trump that you're willing to ignore that.

It's remarkable how all of a sudden the FBI is a completely untrustworthy entity as a whole.  The FBI is supposed to be independent, but it's increasingly being pressured by the Trump administration and House Republicans.  Let the investigation carry out and stop trying to delegitimize it with nonsense.  As before, if Trump is innocent, he, his legal team, and all supporting Republicans should have no fear if this is the case.  It's very simple.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: nickagneta on December 25, 2017, 12:24:00 AM
The only reason that there is a Mueller investigation, is because the FBI used a fake dossier to be able to spy on Trump's team (Insurance Policy)....Lots of dirty work atop the FBI.

Eh, I don't think that's it.  If Trump hadn't fired Comey at an inopportune time, Rosenstein probably wouldn't have appointed Mueller.  If Trump wanted Comey gone, he should have gotten rid of him soon after he seized power and probably shouldn't have make such a stupid remark about how firing Comey took a load off.  Recall also that Comey informed Trump personally about the dossier. 

Both Comey and McCabe have gone under oath and McCabe has corroborated Comey's testimony.  Trump has not gone under oath while calling Comey a liar.  That should count for something, unless you're so far gone for Trump that you're willing to ignore that.

It's remarkable how all of a sudden the FBI is a completely untrustworthy entity as a whole.  The FBI is supposed to be independent, but it's increasingly being pressured by the Trump administration and House Republications.  Let the investigation carry out and stop trying to delegitimize it with nonsense.  As before, if Trump is innocent, he, his legal team, and all supporting Republicans should have no fear if this is the case.  It's very simple.
What I find hilarious, coming from a family with a lot of ton of people in law enforcement, is how Trump and his people are trying to paint the entire FBI as Democratically partisan. Law enforcement is a bastion of conservatism. There is zero chance the FBI conspired against Trump. Some idiots at the top made some texts against Trump and they obviously weren't for Trump, though not obviously Democrat. But that doesn't make the entire FBI a bunch a severely left leaning, Trump hating, liberals. It doesn't mean those people who hated Trump even did anything wrong. Everyone has there political beliefs and they stated them in texts monitored by the FBI.

But as I said, I don't like what I am seeing from the Clinton Foundation and their involvement in a lot if things, including  McCabe's wife, but I am not ready to throw the entire FBI down the drain like our president over it. I have a hard time not thinking that Trump is just trying to blow smoke elsewhere to keep the focus off him. Its what he has done his whole business life before becoming president. I don't know why it would be such a stretch to think he isn't doing it again.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 25, 2017, 01:47:08 AM
Putting aside everything else --If Mueller proves to your satisfaction that Trump and the Russians coordinated press releases, the release of dirt on Hillary, manipulating the Republican position on the Ukraine, targeting political positions on facebook and business deals for Manafort, Flynn and Jared, etc.--is it treason (in the common meaning of the word) and should Trump be impeached?

Why not wait to see what Mueller proves and what you all think of what evidence he has?  Some of the coincidences, plus Flynn's guilty plea and Manafort's charges certainly lead to possibilities.  Or do you see the worse case scenario for Trump as politics as usual?

Why do Trump supporters have to "wait and see" before coming to any conclusions, yet his detractors can just go about talking in certainties about his guilt?

I seriously doubt any everyday citizen really knows what happened, if anything at all, or the scope and depth of what happened if something did actually happen. It gets tiring listening to people on either side talking like they actually know, when they likely have nothing other than biased suspicions based on whatever slanted news source they choose to listen to.

Well, Manafort and Gen. Flynn are GREAT starts.

Even MORE reason to see this thing through to the VERY end.

Oh, I agree the investigations should continue, unimpeded by anyone with something to lose.

I just happen to find it rather distasteful so many people have already decided in their own mind who is or isn't guilty without waiting for the facts of the investigation.
I'm a liberal...no surprise to anyone who has been on this sit for a while. But the circumstantial evidence as well the timeline evidence against Trump's transition and election team, as well as the stuff they have nabbed Flynn and Manafort on, is just too overwhelming for just about any American citizen to just partisanly dismiss. I don't think they will nab Trump, but the man did dirty stuff and a lot of the people around him are going to go down for it.

But....

What's happened at the top of the FBI and how they seriously screwed up the Clinton investigation and passed over this Clinton involvement with McCabe's wife is pretty dirty there too. I honestly don't think Clinton did anything wrong with her emails as SOS. But the Clinton Foundation and who they handed out money to is dirty as hell and probably broke all sorts of laws.

I want all of them who broke the law and conspired to hurt this country to go down....Clintons and Trumps. They all suck.

Again, you won't get any disagreement from me there.  It's one of the bigger reasons why I didn't vote for either of them.  I just wish more people would have chose to not vote for either of them.
Incredibly frustrating that the two parties offered up Clinton and Trump for the highest office in the land.

Hopefully the dems can put forth a good candidate in 2020
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: blink on December 25, 2017, 04:44:16 AM
The only reason that there is a Mueller investigation, is because the FBI used a fake dossier to be able to spy on Trump's team (Insurance Policy)....Lots of dirty work atop the FBI.

Eh, I don't think that's it.  If Trump hadn't fired Comey at an inopportune time, Rosenstein probably wouldn't have appointed Mueller.  If Trump wanted Comey gone, he should have gotten rid of him soon after he seized power and probably shouldn't have make such a stupid remark about how firing Comey took a load off.  Recall also that Comey informed Trump personally about the dossier. 

Both Comey and McCabe have gone under oath and McCabe has corroborated Comey's testimony.  Trump has not gone under oath while calling Comey a liar.  That should count for something, unless you're so far gone for Trump that you're willing to ignore that.

It's remarkable how all of a sudden the FBI is a completely untrustworthy entity as a whole.  The FBI is supposed to be independent, but it's increasingly being pressured by the Trump administration and House Republications.  Let the investigation carry out and stop trying to delegitimize it with nonsense.  As before, if Trump is innocent, he, his legal team, and all supporting Republicans should have no fear if this is the case.  It's very simple.

I have a hard time not thinking that Trump is just trying to blow smoke elsewhere to keep the focus off him.


Bingo!  we have a winner here.  Distraction Distraction Distraction.  Basically at this point it is all Trump has.  Amazingly, it is still working on some people.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Celtics4ever on December 25, 2017, 07:23:11 AM
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I'm a liberal...no surprise to anyone who has been on this sit for a while. But the circumstantial evidence as well the timeline evidence against Trump's transition and election team, as well as the stuff they have nabbed Flynn and Manafort on, is just too overwhelming for just about any American citizen to just partisanly dismiss. I don't think they will nab Trump, but the man did dirty stuff and a lot of the people around him are going to go down for it.

But....

What's happened at the top of the FBI and how they seriously screwed up the Clinton investigation and passed over this Clinton involvement with McCabe's wife is pretty dirty there too. I honestly don't think Clinton did anything wrong with her emails as SOS. But the Clinton Foundation and who they handed out money to is dirty as hell and probably broke all sorts of laws.

I want all of them who broke the law and conspired to hurt this country to go down....Clintons and Trumps. They all suck.l

I too, think all of them who broke the law should go down.   Both sides were played by the Russians and seeking information to damage the other candidate.   Justice should not be selective because one agent changed the language to make one side not get prosecuted.  I hope Mueller slams both sides of the aisle.  I think it may happen for this reason:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mueller-probe-draws-in-tony-podesta-vin-weber-ap/

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/the-downfall-of-the-podesta-group/article/2640518

Tony Podesta's brother is John Podesta aka the Campaign Manager for Hillary.

We know he is going after Trump and rightfully so but could both parties be in for a surprise..
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Roy H. on December 25, 2017, 09:14:31 AM
Putting aside everything else --If Mueller proves to your satisfaction that Trump and the Russians coordinated press releases, the release of dirt on Hillary, manipulating the Republican position on the Ukraine, targeting political positions on facebook and business deals for Manafort, Flynn and Jared, etc.--is it treason (in the common meaning of the word) and should Trump be impeached?

Why not wait to see what Mueller proves and what you all think of what evidence he has?  Some of the coincidences, plus Flynn's guilty plea and Manafort's charges certainly lead to possibilities.  Or do you see the worse case scenario for Trump as politics as usual?

Why do Trump supporters have to "wait and see" before coming to any conclusions, yet his detractors can just go about talking in certainties about his guilt?

I seriously doubt any everyday citizen really knows what happened, if anything at all, or the scope and depth of what happened if something did actually happen. It gets tiring listening to people on either side talking like they actually know, when they likely have nothing other than biased suspicions based on whatever slanted news source they choose to listen to.

Well, Manafort and Gen. Flynn are GREAT starts.

Even MORE reason to see this thing through to the VERY end.

Oh, I agree the investigations should continue, unimpeded by anyone with something to lose.

I just happen to find it rather distasteful so many people have already decided in their own mind who is or isn't guilty without waiting for the facts of the investigation.
I'm a liberal...no surprise to anyone who has been on this sit for a while. But the circumstantial evidence as well the timeline evidence against Trump's transition and election team, as well as the stuff they have nabbed Flynn and Manafort on, is just too overwhelming for just about any American citizen to just partisanly dismiss. I don't think they will nab Trump, but the man did dirty stuff and a lot of the people around him are going to go down for it.

But....

What's happened at the top of the FBI and how they seriously screwed up the Clinton investigation and passed over this Clinton involvement with McCabe's wife is pretty dirty there too. I honestly don't think Clinton did anything wrong with her emails as SOS. But the Clinton Foundation and who they handed out money to is dirty as hell and probably broke all sorts of laws.

I want all of them who broke the law and conspired to hurt this country to go down....Clintons and Trumps. They all suck.

Agreed. No more “special” justice for “special” folks.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: feckless on December 25, 2017, 09:32:54 AM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
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One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?

The entire basis of the smears on McCabe and others is getting people to turn their backs on corruption.

If they didn’t engage in behavior that appears improper, nobody would care. Taking roughly $500k from Clunton donors while investigating her, having an anti-Trump partisan deeply invested in keeping Trump out of office being a key investigator into both Hillary and Trump, the Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting, the Comey leaks to the media...

How can anybody who cares about unbiased justice feel comfortable with any of that?

Doesn't  the McCabe issue have to do with his wife and Clinton.  Do spouse's politics always indicate bias ? corruption?  -what about Clarence Thomas's wife or Mitch McConnell 's wife should their careers be limited because they might convey influence or bias to their spouses positions?  They seem to get the benefit of not corrupting their husbands.  Why can't  McCabe be an honest career FBI agent who has a wife with her own political views and connections?  Is their any evidence that McCabe's wife running for office as a democrat caused McCabe to be improperly influenced?

Trump and a few Trump supporting republican's trying to distract and confuse with McCabe!

And I agree no special treatment for Clintons and yes dems deserve some responsibility for Trump by not finding someone to run more irreproachable than a Clinton>
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Roy H. on December 25, 2017, 09:51:13 AM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
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One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?

The entire basis of the smears on McCabe and others is getting people to turn their backs on corruption.

If they didn’t engage in behavior that appears improper, nobody would care. Taking roughly $500k from Clunton donors while investigating her, having an anti-Trump partisan deeply invested in keeping Trump out of office being a key investigator into both Hillary and Trump, the Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting, the Comey leaks to the media...

How can anybody who cares about unbiased justice feel comfortable with any of that?

Doesn't  the McCabe issue have to do with his wife and Clinton.  Do spouse's politics always indicate bias ? corruption?  -what about Clarence Thomas's wife or Mitch McConnell 's wife should their careers be limited because they might convey influence or bias to their spouses positions?  They seem to get the benefit of not corrupting their husbands.  Why can't  McCabe be an honest career FBI agent who has a wife with her own political views and connections?  Is their any evidence that McCabe's wife running for office as a democrat caused McCabe to be improperly influenced?

Trump and a few Trump supporting republican's trying to distract and confuse with McCabe!

And I agree no special treatment for Clintons and yes dems deserve some responsibility for Trump by not finding someone to run more irreproachable than a Clinton>

If my wife received $500k from a criminal’s associates, in close proximity to me prosecuting that criminal, would you have any questions about my partiality? What if there was evidence that I subsequently declined to prosecute, changing my office’s report from a recommendation of criminal conduct to just poor judgment?

I can’t say what was in McCabe’s heart, but I do know it looks bad. That’s why the standard for a recusal for conflict of interest is the *appearance* of impropriety, not actual impropriety.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: feckless on December 25, 2017, 10:06:24 AM
The FBI just thwarted a domestic (yes domestic) terrorist plot... seems like the perfect day to attack them.
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One has nothing to do with the other. The FBI is a great agency, but are we suppose to turn our back on corruption?

The entire basis of the smears on McCabe and others is getting people to turn their backs on corruption.

If they didn’t engage in behavior that appears improper, nobody would care. Taking roughly $500k from Clunton donors while investigating her, having an anti-Trump partisan deeply invested in keeping Trump out of office being a key investigator into both Hillary and Trump, the Loretta Lynch tarmac meeting, the Comey leaks to the media...

How can anybody who cares about unbiased justice feel comfortable with any of that?

Doesn't  the McCabe issue have to do with his wife and Clinton.  Do spouse's politics always indicate bias ? corruption?  -what about Clarence Thomas's wife or Mitch McConnell 's wife should their careers be limited because they might convey influence or bias to their spouses positions?  They seem to get the benefit of not corrupting their husbands.  Why can't  McCabe be an honest career FBI agent who has a wife with her own political views and connections?  Is their any evidence that McCabe's wife running for office as a democrat caused McCabe to be improperly influenced?

Trump and a few Trump supporting republican's trying to distract and confuse with McCabe!

And I agree no special treatment for Clintons and yes dems deserve some responsibility for Trump by not finding someone to run more irreproachable than a Clinton>

If my wife received $500k from a criminal’s associates, in close proximity to me prosecuting that criminal, would you have any questions about my partiality? What if there was evidence that I subsequently declined to prosecute, changing my office’s report from a recommendation of criminal conduct to just poor judgment?

I can’t say what was in McCabe’s heart, but I do know it looks bad. That’s why the standard for a recusal for conflict of interest is the *appearance* of impropriety, not actual impropriety.

I still see the issue of partiality as too similar to Clarence Thomas's wife working for a conservative think tank and Mitch McConnel's wife being in Trump's cabinet.  Would agree if there is a potential conflict their needs to be extra transparency, I am not sure we get that especially with Thomas.  If they find something on McCabe it should be used but making a big deal of the potential bias, treating it as actual bias, with no evidence seems more like a distraction.

Do we know what role McCabe played in the Clinton investigation--did I miss that?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 07, 2018, 01:59:31 PM
Some thread necromancy here but I saw this thread of a timeline of relevant events using FOIA'ed emails - it's worth a read for anyone who's interested in what actually happened.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html)

Basically McCabe promptly followed all relevant procedures for recusal, was never involved with the investigation during any point in his wife's campaign, and got smeared for it anyway, presumably to shield the President from accountability.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: indeedproceed on January 07, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Some thread necromancy here but I saw this thread of a timeline of relevant events using FOIA'ed emails - it's worth a read for anyone who's interested in what actually happened.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html)

Basically McCabe promptly followed all relevant procedures for recusal, was never involved with the investigation during any point in his wife's campaign, and got smeared for it anyway, presumably to shield the President from accountability.

Typical liberal nonsense. Didn't mention the stock market once.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 07, 2018, 04:51:16 PM

Incredibly frustrating that the two parties offered up Clinton and Trump for the highest office in the land.
Hopefully the dems can putforth a good candidate in 2020

As much as both parties are responsible for their counter-productive partisan divisiveness, it's hard to blame the republican party for Trump.  He was the choice of the people. Plenty of chances for others to beat him, and they didn't.   Clinton, on the other hand, was the heir apparent for the Dems and no one who chose to run really had much of a chance against her (once Biden opted out).     The fact that such a flawed candidate as Bernie gave her a run indicates she wasn't inspiring the people.   

That the American people whittled the party nominations down to Trump v. Cruz and Clinton v. Sanders is rather sad.   Maybe both parties can do better in 2020.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: kraidstar on January 07, 2018, 06:51:06 PM

Incredibly frustrating that the two parties offered up Clinton and Trump for the highest office in the land.
Hopefully the dems can putforth a good candidate in 2020

As much as both parties are responsible for their counter-productive partisan divisiveness, it's hard to blame the republican party for Trump.  He was the choice of the people. Plenty of chances for others to beat him, and they didn't.   Clinton, on the other hand, was the heir apparent for the Dems and no one who chose to run really had much of a chance against her (once Biden opted out).     The fact that such a flawed candidate as Bernie gave her a run indicates she wasn't inspiring the people.   

That the American people whittled the party nominations down to Trump v. Cruz and Clinton v. Sanders is rather sad.   Maybe both parties can do better in 2020.

I don't know why you're lumping Sanders in with the rest of that lot. I think he easily beats Trump in a general election.

I've heard Trump supporters echo this sentiment, some of them actually liked Sanders better, believe it or not.

The Superdelegates that Sanders lost wouldn't be a factor in a general election. That's on the DNC, not Sanders.

As for a general election, Sanders is a northeastern Jew with some socialist tendencies. That didn't fly well with some Democrats, but those Democrats came from states he likely would have lost in a general election anyways. I think he wins all the blue states and most of the swing states with his pro-middle class, anti-establishment message. Unlike Clinton, Sanders understands the plight of the poor and middle class rural American, and I think he would have reached a lot of those voters in Ohio, Michigan, etc.

 
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on January 07, 2018, 07:09:28 PM

Incredibly frustrating that the two parties offered up Clinton and Trump for the highest office in the land.
Hopefully the dems can putforth a good candidate in 2020

As much as both parties are responsible for their counter-productive partisan divisiveness, it's hard to blame the republican party for Trump.  He was the choice of the people. Plenty of chances for others to beat him, and they didn't.   Clinton, on the other hand, was the heir apparent for the Dems and no one who chose to run really had much of a chance against her (once Biden opted out).     The fact that such a flawed candidate as Bernie gave her a run indicates she wasn't inspiring the people.   

That the American people whittled the party nominations down to Trump v. Cruz and Clinton v. Sanders is rather sad.   Maybe both parties can do better in 2020.

I don't know why you're lumping Sanders in with the rest of that lot. I think he easily beats Trump in a general election.

I've heard Trump supporters echo this sentiment, some of them actually liked Sanders better, believe it or not.

The Superdelegates that Sanders lost wouldn't be a factor in a general election. That's on the DNC, not Sanders.

As for a general election, Sanders is a northeastern Jew with some socialist tendencies. That didn't fly well with some Democrats, but those Democrats came from states he likely would have lost in a general election anyways. I think he wins all the blue states and most of the swing states with his pro-middle class, anti-establishment message. Unlike Clinton, Sanders understands the plight of the poor and middle class rural American, and I think he would have reached a lot of those voters in Ohio, Michigan, etc.

Sanders is a total sell out. He took in over 200 million in donations for the DNC, and then just stepped aside because it was Hillary's turn to be president.

Also claimed that white people don't know what it's like to be poor.

Never held a job in the private sector, the guy is a joke. 
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Celtics4ever on January 07, 2018, 07:25:49 PM
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then just stepped aside because it was Hillary's turn to be president.

Everyone thought this was the case.   But in the end it was not to be....
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Neurotic Guy on January 07, 2018, 08:30:22 PM

Incredibly frustrating that the two parties offered up Clinton and Trump for the highest office in the land.
Hopefully the dems can putforth a good candidate in 2020

As much as both parties are responsible for their counter-productive partisan divisiveness, it's hard to blame the republican party for Trump.  He was the choice of the people. Plenty of chances for others to beat him, and they didn't.   Clinton, on the other hand, was the heir apparent for the Dems and no one who chose to run really had much of a chance against her (once Biden opted out).     The fact that such a flawed candidate as Bernie gave her a run indicates she wasn't inspiring the people.   

That the American people whittled the party nominations down to Trump v. Cruz and Clinton v. Sanders is rather sad.   Maybe both parties can do better in 2020.

I don't know why you're lumping Sanders in with the rest of that lot. I think he easily beats Trump in a general election.

I've heard Trump supporters echo this sentiment, some of them actually liked Sanders better, believe it or not.

The Superdelegates that Sanders lost wouldn't be a factor in a general election. That's on the DNC, not Sanders.

As for a general election, Sanders is a northeastern Jew with some socialist tendencies. That didn't fly well with some Democrats, but those Democrats came from states he likely would have lost in a general election anyways. I think he wins all the blue states and most of the swing states with his pro-middle class, anti-establishment message. Unlike Clinton, Sanders understands the plight of the poor and middle class rural American, and I think he would have reached a lot of those voters in Ohio, Michigan, etc.

The reason I lump Sanders in with the others is that he was not a smart choice as a nominee.  He's bright and he's more mature than Trump, but his political views aren't mainstream and are polarizing.  Obviously, this is my opinion.  When either party nominates extreme ideologues (relative to their party peers), it's just not a good idea.  It either makes it difficult to win (Goldwater, McGovern) or makes governing a one party game.  I think Sanders would have lost to Trump, but more importantly, i think he would been a terrible choice for the party and the country.  Hillary and Donald were also terrible choices.  BTW, I would have voted for Bernie over Trump -- or found an alternative.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: kraidstar on January 07, 2018, 08:51:31 PM

Incredibly frustrating that the two parties offered up Clinton and Trump for the highest office in the land.
Hopefully the dems can putforth a good candidate in 2020

As much as both parties are responsible for their counter-productive partisan divisiveness, it's hard to blame the republican party for Trump.  He was the choice of the people. Plenty of chances for others to beat him, and they didn't.   Clinton, on the other hand, was the heir apparent for the Dems and no one who chose to run really had much of a chance against her (once Biden opted out).     The fact that such a flawed candidate as Bernie gave her a run indicates she wasn't inspiring the people.   

That the American people whittled the party nominations down to Trump v. Cruz and Clinton v. Sanders is rather sad.   Maybe both parties can do better in 2020.

I don't know why you're lumping Sanders in with the rest of that lot. I think he easily beats Trump in a general election.

I've heard Trump supporters echo this sentiment, some of them actually liked Sanders better, believe it or not.

The Superdelegates that Sanders lost wouldn't be a factor in a general election. That's on the DNC, not Sanders.

As for a general election, Sanders is a northeastern Jew with some socialist tendencies. That didn't fly well with some Democrats, but those Democrats came from states he likely would have lost in a general election anyways. I think he wins all the blue states and most of the swing states with his pro-middle class, anti-establishment message. Unlike Clinton, Sanders understands the plight of the poor and middle class rural American, and I think he would have reached a lot of those voters in Ohio, Michigan, etc.

The reason I lump Sanders in with the others is that he was not a smart choice as a nominee.  He's bright and he's more mature than Trump, but his political views aren't mainstream and are polarizing.  Obviously, this is my opinion.  When either party nominates extreme ideologues (relative to their party peers), it's just not a good idea.  It either makes it difficult to win (Goldwater, McGovern) or makes governing a one party game.  I think Sanders would have lost to Trump, but more importantly, i think he would been a terrible choice for the party and the country.  Hillary and Donald were also terrible choices.  BTW, I would have voted for Bernie over Trump -- or found an alternative.
First of all the polls had Sanders way ahead of Trump, by the tune of 4-15%.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

And 99% of politicians are polarizing. You could take the most reasonable, middle of the road man on the planet. Put a "D" next to his name and Fox News will call him a Communist terrorist sympathizer. MSNBC and CNN might not stoop that low but you know they will be slanted  as well. You're chasing a white whale here, the "bipartisan" horse has left the barn and it's not coming back anytime soon.

And Sanders wasn't some hand-picked stooge, he gained traction because the American people from blue and purple states LIKED him and RESPONDED to him. I heard a lot of independents praise him, a lot of people who normally do not even vote. He had charisma and he spoke the truth about the plight of the poor and the middle class. He had a knack for describing what is actually going on in the streets, where so many formerly respectable areas are turning into ghettos. Where most folks don't have a job that affords them any dignity or security.

I live in Maine and NH, and I am seeing most areas just getting worse and worse, while a couple areas like Portland and Portsmouth are gentrified, getting nicer and nicer. There is your real polarization. A select few people are getting filthy rich in this country, and little of it is trickling down. If calling things out the way they are makes you a radical, then maybe that's what we need.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Vermont Green on January 07, 2018, 09:36:35 PM
Some thread necromancy here but I saw this thread of a timeline of relevant events using FOIA'ed emails - it's worth a read for anyone who's interested in what actually happened.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html)

Basically McCabe promptly followed all relevant procedures for recusal, was never involved with the investigation during any point in his wife's campaign, and got smeared for it anyway, presumably to shield the President from accountability.

Based on the comments that followed, I am not sure anyone read the linked piece.  It only takes about 5 minutes.  This unambiguously proves that this entire issue is being ginned up to distract from the real Trump issues and to diminish the hard work of honest law enforcement american citizens for the purposes of covering up for a flawed and dishonest president.

Not that I am all that surprised but it ticks me off that the "law and order party" would smear an apparently totally honest law enforcement career official purely for the purposes of partisan politics.  Every american citizen should be outraged by this.

I said I am not surprised and I am not surprised at all that this story is being manipulated for partisan purposes but what I am surprised at, based on this information, is just how illegitimate the attack is.  More people need to get angry about this.  It is getting out of hand.  This is now wide spread, institutional obstruction of justice.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Vermont Green on January 07, 2018, 09:55:50 PM
Some thread necromancy here but I saw this thread of a timeline of relevant events using FOIA'ed emails - it's worth a read for anyone who's interested in what actually happened.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html)

Basically McCabe promptly followed all relevant procedures for recusal, was never involved with the investigation during any point in his wife's campaign, and got smeared for it anyway, presumably to shield the President from accountability.

If you read further down on this site, (takes more than 5 minutes) you find a tweet from someone who went through all of the Strzok text messages.  The main take away (which included excerpts from the so called incriminating texts between Strzok and Page)?

Quote
They are... not remotely as sold by the media.  For a start, in the field of all the candidates, Strzok's initial preference was Kasich.

So the big deep state Clinton/Soros mole was a republican who liked Kasich.

Come on people, let's not stand for this unethical and potentially illegal attempt of cover for a dishonest president.  Let's vote all independents into the congress in 2018.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 07, 2018, 10:21:48 PM
Some thread necromancy here but I saw this thread of a timeline of relevant events using FOIA'ed emails - it's worth a read for anyone who's interested in what actually happened.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html)

Basically McCabe promptly followed all relevant procedures for recusal, was never involved with the investigation during any point in his wife's campaign, and got smeared for it anyway, presumably to shield the President from accountability.

If you read further down on this site, (takes more than 5 minutes) you find a tweet from someone who went through all of the Strzok text messages.  The main take away (which included excerpts from the so called incriminating texts between Strzok and Page)?

Quote
They are... not remotely as sold by the media.  For a start, in the field of all the candidates, Strzok's initial preference was Kasich.

So the big deep state Clinton/Soros mole was a republican who liked Kasich.

Come on people, let's not stand for this unethical and potentially illegal attempt of cover for a dishonest president.  Let's vote all independents into the congress in 2018.

It's the same person who did both threads. 

Rightwing media is going to act in bad faith, but it really is astonishing how little effort the allegedly liberal media made to ground either set of smears in context. Especially the texts, whose meaning becomes sharply different - the "Trump can't ever be President" was an immediate reaction to him bragging about his penis size in a Republican debate, and the  "insurance policy" quote that launched a thousand conspiracy theories appears to just refer to going through with the upcoming initial intelligence briefings for Trump in case he won.

The people pushing these narratives know this stuff, but they think their audience isn't going to catch on, and they're sadly almost always right.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: blink on January 08, 2018, 12:00:34 AM
Some thread necromancy here but I saw this thread of a timeline of relevant events using FOIA'ed emails - it's worth a read for anyone who's interested in what actually happened.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html)

Basically McCabe promptly followed all relevant procedures for recusal, was never involved with the investigation during any point in his wife's campaign, and got smeared for it anyway, presumably to shield the President from accountability.

If you read further down on this site, (takes more than 5 minutes) you find a tweet from someone who went through all of the Strzok text messages.  The main take away (which included excerpts from the so called incriminating texts between Strzok and Page)?

Quote
They are... not remotely as sold by the media.  For a start, in the field of all the candidates, Strzok's initial preference was Kasich.

So the big deep state Clinton/Soros mole was a republican who liked Kasich.

Come on people, let's not stand for this unethical and potentially illegal attempt of cover for a dishonest president.  Let's vote all independents into the congress in 2018.

It's the same person who did both threads. 

Rightwing media is always going to act in bad faith, but it really is astonishing how little effort the allegedly liberal media made to ground either set of smears in context. Especially the texts, whose meaning becomes sharply different - for example the "Trump can't ever be President" was an immediate reaction to him bragging about his penis size in a Republican debate, and the  "insurance policy" quote that launched a thousand conspiracy theories appears to just refer to going through with the upcoming initial intelligence briefings for Trump in case he won.

The people pushing these narratives know this stuff, but they think their audience is too tribal and clueless to ever catch on, and they're sadly almost always right.

All of this is just distraction from the Russia probe.  The McCabe allegations and everything that goes along with it is all political distraction from the Trump Adminstration and their supporters.  The republican congress thinks that if it can throw enough dirt at the FBI that somehow Mueller's probe can be stopped or delegitimized.  It is happening on multiple fronts now.  Trump is continually lying over and over saying that there is no collusion.  Congressional republicans are asking for Sessions to resign so Trump can get an AG that isn't recused and will end the Russia probe.  Nunes is trying to distract while at the same time disrupt the russia probe that he claimed he was recusing himself from.  At the same time, Paul Ryan is letting Nunes get away with all of this garbage, other Trump republicans are trying to stop anything related to the Russia investigation.

Even Lindsey Graham who at first seemed a voice of reason with McCain, has joined with Grassley to switch the blame somehow to Chris Steele.  It is a complete farce with none of the republican leaders making any reasonable attempt to find the truth, they are only concerned with covering Trump at this point.

The broad stroke painting of our intelligence services as "broken" and "corrupt" is done for one reason only, to free Trump from the Russia investigation.  It is incredibly sickening and it is getting to the crisis point.

I just hope that Mueller's investigation can be completed before Trump / congressional republicans can completely obstruct his investigation.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on January 29, 2018, 02:11:23 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: saltlover on January 29, 2018, 02:15:00 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on January 29, 2018, 02:19:38 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: heyvik on January 29, 2018, 02:37:31 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

what exactly is going to be the biggest story in US history?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on January 29, 2018, 02:38:36 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/report-dutch-spies-caught-russian-hackers-video-52625529

The Russians are literally caught on tape hacking everything and it was shown to Trump's team.  There isn't any doubt about whether or not Russia is behind the hack and there isn't any doubt about whether or not the Trump administration have any plausible deniability.

Rob Rosenstein is a Republican.  He was appointed into his place as Deputy AG by Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump, who are both Republicans.  He appointed Mueller, another Republican, to investigate Trump. Jeff Sessions recused himself because he already had too many contacts with Russians to credibly lead any investigation.

But yeah, a Democratic witch hunt.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: heyvik on January 29, 2018, 02:43:03 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/report-dutch-spies-caught-russian-hackers-video-52625529

The Russians are literally caught on tape hacking everything and it was shown to Trump's team.  There isn't any doubt about whether or not Russia is behind the hack and there isn't any doubt about whether or not the Trump administration have any plausible deniability.

Rob Rosenstein is a Republican.  He was appointed into his place as Deputy AG by Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump, who are both Republicans.  He appointed Mueller, another Republican, to investigate Trump. Jeff Sessions recused himself because he already had too many contacts with Russians to credibly lead any investigation.

But yeah, a Democratic witch hunt.

you are right...but to some people....they'll find any excuse not to believe the facts - then they'll point to a Youtube video and say - Hillary, Podesta, Obama, etc
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 29, 2018, 03:03:36 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on January 29, 2018, 03:19:07 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of Ethnic slurs are against site rules hackers *cough*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA

Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 29, 2018, 03:19:27 PM
Related story from last week - in June after counsel refused to relay Trump's order to fire Mueller, a targeted smear campaign against McCabe and others was reportedly devised, due to their ability to corroborate Comey's testimony about Trump's attempts to obstruct justice.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/26/trump-launched-campaign-to-discredit-potential-fbi-witnesses/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/26/trump-launched-campaign-to-discredit-potential-fbi-witnesses/)

Concerted attacks relying almost entirely on innuendo, rumor and speculation ramped up drastically soon after.

The big, glaring caveat I'd add here - the story is based on what Trump told advisers about conversations with his lawyer, which historically has often not lined up with what they actually said. Past attorneys have mentioned always meeting with him in pairs because of this exact issue.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 29, 2018, 03:23:34 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of hacker*cough*

Yes, that's the spirit.  Whatever came of that anyway? Does it rhyme with "schmabsolutely nothing"?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: heyvik on January 29, 2018, 03:26:50 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of hacker*cough*

Yes, that's the spirit.  Whatever came of that anyway? Does it rhyme with "schmabsolutely nothing"?
Like I said in my post before - typical post to deflect about a 'scandal' and then a YouTube video...
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on January 29, 2018, 03:50:27 PM
And it's now being reported that he was removed, and didn't get his nice little retirement package.

This after Jim Jordan said that Christopher Wrey took a look at the memo just yesterday...

No soup for you

Maybe a nice orange jump suit instead.

It's all collapsing in on em folks.....
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: blackbird on January 29, 2018, 04:25:14 PM
And it's now being reported that he was removed, and didn't get his nice little retirement package.

This after Jim Jordan said that Christopher Wrey took a look at the memo just yesterday...

No soup for you

Maybe a nice orange jump suit instead.

It's all collapsing in on em folks.....

(https://media1.tenor.com/images/a005b9925f790be127192d2208715530/tenor.gif?itemid=9467053)
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: heyvik on January 29, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
And it's now being reported that he was removed, and didn't get his nice little retirement package.

This after Jim Jordan said that Christopher Wrey took a look at the memo just yesterday...

No soup for you

Maybe a nice orange jump suit instead.

It's all collapsing in on em folks.....

Hi Rondohondo,

if possible, can you let me know where get your sources of news information? I've always wondered where pro Trump and 'deep state' get their information from. I don't know many people who have opposing viewpoints to mine, so it would be greatly appreciated. List as many as you can.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: indeedproceed on January 29, 2018, 04:32:13 PM
Related story from last week - in June after counsel refused to relay Trump's order to fire Mueller, a targeted smear campaign against McCabe and others was reportedly devised, due to their ability to corroborate Comey's testimony about Trump's attempts to obstruct justice.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/26/trump-launched-campaign-to-discredit-potential-fbi-witnesses/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/26/trump-launched-campaign-to-discredit-potential-fbi-witnesses/)

Concerted attacks relying almost entirely on innuendo, rumor and speculation ramped up drastically soon after.

The big, glaring caveat I'd add here - the story is based on what Trump told advisers about conversations with his lawyer, which historically has often not lined up with what they actually said. Past attorneys have mentioned always meeting with him in pairs because of this exact issue.

I feel bad for Andrew McCabe. Seems like a guy who tried to be transparent about the money his wife's campaign received, seems like he is just a casualty of the trump PR machine.

Contrast that against the incomparable integrity of devin nunes's 'recusal'.

Politics is pretty awful right now. My respect for Trump has honestly grown.
I'm 70% burned out by his administration's daily malfeasance. How does he handle it? Guy has more mettle to him than I gave him credit for. Still keeps up the fake hair.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: kozlodoev on January 29, 2018, 04:34:10 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of hacker*cough*

Yes, that's the spirit.  Whatever came of that anyway? Does it rhyme with "schmabsolutely nothing"?
Nah, it turned out great. It's right up there with the massive election fraud.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 29, 2018, 05:20:37 PM
Related story from last week - in June after counsel refused to relay Trump's order to fire Mueller, a targeted smear campaign against McCabe and others was reportedly devised, due to their ability to corroborate Comey's testimony about Trump's attempts to obstruct justice.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/26/trump-launched-campaign-to-discredit-potential-fbi-witnesses/ (http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/26/trump-launched-campaign-to-discredit-potential-fbi-witnesses/)

Concerted attacks relying almost entirely on innuendo, rumor and speculation ramped up drastically soon after.

The big, glaring caveat I'd add here - the story is based on what Trump told advisers about conversations with his lawyer, which historically has often not lined up with what they actually said. Past attorneys have mentioned always meeting with him in pairs because of this exact issue.

I feel bad for Andrew McCabe. Seems like a guy who tried to be transparent about the money his wife's campaign received, seems like he is just a casualty of the trump PR machine.

Contrast that against the incomparable integrity of devin nunes's 'recusal'.

Politics is pretty awful right now. My respect for Trump has honestly grown.
I'm 70% burned out by his administration's daily malfeasance. How does he handle it? Guy has more mettle to him than I gave him credit for. Still keeps up the fake hair.

Like a lot of figures getting attacked, in a vacuum I wouldn't care about someone like McCabe. Despite the baselessness of these smears the FBI's had its hands in plenty of loathsome stuff over the decades.

What appalls me more than any specific individual is the all-out assault on anyone or anything that could hold a very clearly corrupt President accountable, and the active participation of major elected officials.  Anybody see the flap last week where multiple Congressmen and at least one Senator started floating dark rumors about an FBI "secret society" revealed in Strzok's texts? Then the actual text leaked and it was literally just joking about whether they should even bother to hand out "sexy Putin" calendars they bought as gag gifts for agents investigating Russia's election attacks. But it's too late, they've already shamelessly bounded onward to the next bit of Infowars-style agitprop.

The endgame of Trump's people getting what they want is a brazenly corrupt President surrounded by sycophants who is wholly unaccountable to the rule of law. And that toothpaste isn't going to go back in the tube easily.

All that said, we'll see what the actual circumstances were here. But the whole thing stinks to high hell.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on January 29, 2018, 10:40:42 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of Ethnic slurs are against site rules hackers *cough*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA
*Google paki definition

a person from Pakistan or South Asia by birth or descent, especially one living in Britain.


Ethnic slur?

Nice try....
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: saltlover on January 29, 2018, 10:58:05 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of Ethnic slurs are against site rules hackers *cough*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA
*Google paki definition

a person from Pakistan or South Asia by birth or descent, especially one living in Britain.


Ethnic slur?

Nice try....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur))
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: rondohondo on January 29, 2018, 11:03:14 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of Ethnic slurs are against site rules hackers *cough*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA
*Google paki definition

a person from Pakistan or South Asia by birth or descent, especially one living in Britain.


Ethnic slur?

Nice try....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur))

So is Irish man a slur too?

How bout African American?

Pc culture is going down

Back on topic...

The memo is getting released , corruption in doj/FBI is being exposed



Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: GratefulCs on January 29, 2018, 11:16:04 PM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of Ethnic slurs are against site rules hackers *cough*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA
*Google paki definition

a person from Pakistan or South Asia by birth or descent, especially one living in Britain.


Ethnic slur?

Nice try....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur))

So is Irish man a slur too?

How bout African American?

Pc culture is going down

Back on topic...

The memo is getting released , corruption in doj/FBI is being exposed
ya!

deep state is FINALLY going to get exposed

but now what is my man alex jones gonna talk about once theyre all behind bars?
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Sophomore on January 30, 2018, 12:03:10 AM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of Ethnic slurs are against site rules hackers *cough*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA
*Google paki definition

a person from Pakistan or South Asia by birth or descent, especially one living in Britain.


Ethnic slur?

Nice try....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur))

So is Irish man a slur too?

How bout African American?

Pc culture is going down

Back on topic...

The memo is getting released , corruption in doj/FBI is being exposed
ya!

deep state is FINALLY going to get exposed

but now what is my man alex jones gonna talk about once theyre all behind bars?

Yeah. It’s so true. The FBI is just full of liberal pinkos.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Sophomore on January 30, 2018, 12:05:48 AM
And it's now being reported that he was removed, and didn't get his nice little retirement package.

This after Jim Jordan said that Christopher Wrey took a look at the memo just yesterday...

No soup for you

Maybe a nice orange jump suit instead.

It's all collapsing in on em folks.....

That’s wrong. It’s been reported that he will get his full retirement package. He stopped work today, but he has leave that extends through the date he needs to qualify.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Sophomore on January 30, 2018, 12:08:42 AM
Some thread necromancy here but I saw this thread of a timeline of relevant events using FOIA'ed emails - it's worth a read for anyone who's interested in what actually happened.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html (https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/949834366133456896.html)

Basically McCabe promptly followed all relevant procedures for recusal, was never involved with the investigation during any point in his wife's campaign, and got smeared for it anyway, presumably to shield the President from accountability.

If you read further down on this site, (takes more than 5 minutes) you find a tweet from someone who went through all of the Strzok text messages.  The main take away (which included excerpts from the so called incriminating texts between Strzok and Page)?

Quote
They are... not remotely as sold by the media.  For a start, in the field of all the candidates, Strzok's initial preference was Kasich.

So the big deep state Clinton/Soros mole was a republican who liked Kasich.

Come on people, let's not stand for this unethical and potentially illegal attempt of cover for a dishonest president.  Let's vote all independents into the congress in 2018.

It's the same person who did both threads. 

Rightwing media is going to act in bad faith, but it really is astonishing how little effort the allegedly liberal media made to ground either set of smears in context. Especially the texts, whose meaning becomes sharply different - the "Trump can't ever be President" was an immediate reaction to him bragging about his penis size in a Republican debate, and the  "insurance policy" quote that launched a thousand conspiracy theories appears to just refer to going through with the upcoming initial intelligence briefings for Trump in case he won.

The people pushing these narratives know this stuff, but they think their audience isn't going to catch on, and they're sadly almost always right.

Well said. TP.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: kraidstar on January 30, 2018, 01:11:50 AM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of Ethnic slurs are against site rules hackers *cough*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA
*Google paki definition

a person from Pakistan or South Asia by birth or descent, especially one living in Britain.


Ethnic slur?

Nice try....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur))

So is Irish man a slur too?

How bout African American?

Pc culture is going down

Back on topic...

The memo is getting released , corruption in doj/FBI is being exposed

It is definitely a derogatory term. I've been to Britain plenty of times and it's considered racist.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 30, 2018, 10:06:06 AM
Bye bye scum bag filth.

So much for #BlueLivesMatter

Has nothing to do with it, nice spin though

You want corrupt people running the FBI?

They are going down along with others

 Military tribunals coming for other treasonous actions from others. Hillary, Comey, all the way up to Obama....

Get ready,  this is going to be the biggest story in US history.....

When none of this actually happens remember to learn nothing at all from it, especially about the people who fed it to you.

* cough* wasserman-shultz  and her merry band of Ethnic slurs are against site rules hackers *cough*

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHGsyt2kZA
*Google paki definition

a person from Pakistan or South Asia by birth or descent, especially one living in Britain.


Ethnic slur?

Nice try....

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur) (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paki_(slur))

So is Irish man a slur too?

How bout African American?

Pc culture is going down

Back on topic...

The memo is getting released , corruption in doj/FBI is being exposed

TP - ironically most "anti-PC" types are too politically correct to admit it has a lot to do with getting to be more openly bigoted without consequence.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: indeedproceed on January 31, 2018, 04:56:23 PM
I don't know where else to put this so.....this seemed like the best alternative to starting a new thread about to (note to mods, would happily start a new thread if nec)

Quote from: Via CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/strzok-fbi-comey-clinton-letter/index.html)
Washington (CNN)Emails obtained by CNN show the FBI agent at the center of a Capitol Hill storm played a key role in a controversial FBI decision that upended Hillary Clinton's campaign just days before the 2016 election: the letter to Congress by then-FBI Director James Comey announcing the bureau was investigating newly discovered Clinton emails.

Strzok, who co-wrote what appears to be the first draft that formed the basis of the letter Comey sent to Congress, also supported reopening the Clinton investigation once the emails were discovered on disgraced former Rep. Anthony Weiner's laptop, according to a source familiar with Strzok's thinking. The day after Strzok sent his draft to his colleagues, Comey released the letter to Congress, reigniting the email controversy in the final days of the campaign.

Strzok did, however, harbor reservations about Comey making a public announcement just days before the election and sent a text message to that effect, two sources said. And Strzok's text messages provided to Congress show him grappling with the fallout of making the letter public, according to a CNN review of his texts.

So..I don't know what to make of this. Seems like the guy tried to do his job despite knowing it would have what he felt were adverse affects on the Presidential Election. Almost like someone could have personal political beliefs but when push comes to shove, still do their job with integrity.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on January 31, 2018, 05:20:36 PM
I don't know where else to put this so.....this seemed like the best alternative to starting a new thread about to (note to mods, would happily start a new thread if nec)

Quote from: Via CNN (http://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/strzok-fbi-comey-clinton-letter/index.html)
Washington (CNN)Emails obtained by CNN show the FBI agent at the center of a Capitol Hill storm played a key role in a controversial FBI decision that upended Hillary Clinton's campaign just days before the 2016 election: the letter to Congress by then-FBI Director James Comey announcing the bureau was investigating newly discovered Clinton emails.

Strzok, who co-wrote what appears to be the first draft that formed the basis of the letter Comey sent to Congress, also supported reopening the Clinton investigation once the emails were discovered on disgraced former Rep. Anthony Weiner's laptop, according to a source familiar with Strzok's thinking. The day after Strzok sent his draft to his colleagues, Comey released the letter to Congress, reigniting the email controversy in the final days of the campaign.

Strzok did, however, harbor reservations about Comey making a public announcement just days before the election and sent a text message to that effect, two sources said. And Strzok's text messages provided to Congress show him grappling with the fallout of making the letter public, according to a CNN review of his texts.

So..I don't know what to make of this. Seems like the guy tried to do his job despite knowing it would have what he felt were adverse affects on the Presidential Election. Almost like someone could have personal political beliefs but when push comes to shove, still do their job with integrity.

McCabe was also allegedly pushed out because of a report showing he wanted to sit on those emails until after the election, due to the DoJ policy of doing everything possible to not interfere with an ongoing election.

So, we've got Comey who was "officially" fired in part for reopening the investigation*, McCabe who's forced out for trying to wait before reopening it, and Strzok in the middle who wanted it reopened but not announced. All three have been attacked as traitors and criminals to help undermine the ongoing Trump investigation.

Someone noted that the FBI smears feast on innuendo and starve on evidence. Seems like yet another example of that.


*this was in Rosenstein's letter making a case for the firing. Trump of course blabbed on national TV and to the Russian ambassador that it was actually because of the Russia investigation. Rosenstein has since become an enemy of the people due to not actively interfering with Mueller on the President's behalf.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: indeedproceed on February 01, 2018, 11:42:24 AM
Here is what Sarah Huckabee Sanders said on 11/3/2016 about a blogpost called "The FBI is Trumpland" where a liberal blogger lamented that the FBI was pro-Trump and anti-Clinton: (https://twitter.com/SarahHuckabee/status/794255968448020480)

Quote
"When you're attacking FBI agents because you're under criminal investigation, you're losing"

(https://i.imgur.com/HGk625x.jpg)
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: blink on February 01, 2018, 02:16:56 PM
I am not sure if this is the correct thread to put this (mods I can start a new thread if needed), but it seemed related to the Nunes Memo and general effort by the Trump administration to delegitimize the FBI to somehow taint Mueller and the Russia probe.

The Trump appointed FBI director, Chris Wray, has very strongly came out against the Nunes (Trump initiated?) memo.  I have read other articles saying that Wray is ready to resign if the memo is released as is.  The Trump administration is a freaking mess.  As a layperson, it sure seems like trump is literally creating more evidence of obstruction of justice by the day.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-director-prepared-to-issue-rebuttal-if-nunes-memo-released-fran-townsend/ (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-director-prepared-to-issue-rebuttal-if-nunes-memo-released-fran-townsend/)
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Celtics4ever on February 01, 2018, 07:40:18 PM
I am reserving judgement until we see the memo.   It seems like the GOP is champing at the bit to release it and the Dems are trying to make it seem less important.   Time will tell.

Last thing any of us wants though is a FBIas meaning a biased FBI.  If it is true, the biased agents that took agents should be gone.   I also think if they nail Pres. Trump for obstruction then Hillary with her thousands of deleted emails should be charged too on some level.   There is already a servicemember who did the exact same thing and was sent to prison. 

https://www.snopes.com/kristian-saucier/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/20/navy-machinist-kristian-saucier-sentenced-over-cla/

Both sides of isle were trying to buy Russian Dirt on the other.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: nickagneta on February 01, 2018, 08:06:07 PM
I am reserving judgement until we see the memo.   It seems like the GOP is champing at the bit to release it and the Dems are trying to make it seem less important.   Time will tell.

Last thing any of us wants though is a FBIas meaning a biased FBI.  If it is true, the biased agents that took agents should be gone.   I also think if they nail Pres. Trump for obstruction then Hillary with her thousands of deleted emails should be charged too on some level.   There is already a servicemember who did the exact same thing and was sent to prison. 

https://www.snopes.com/kristian-saucier/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/20/navy-machinist-kristian-saucier-sentenced-over-cla/

Both sides of isle were trying to buy Russian Dirt on the other.
Want to see what is in the memo but find it telling that Trump appointed FBI Director Wray is vehemently against disclosing it and mentions it doesn't have all the facts in it. I also have seen enough evidence that the top of the FBI did quite a bit to say they could have shown favoritism to both Hilary and Trump. Just don't see enough out there to declare that the FBI is anything but doing what they feel is administering justice and trying to stay out of politics, which might be hard to do when during an election year you have a lifetime political crook and a possible compromised businessman crook running for President.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on February 01, 2018, 08:11:10 PM
Seems to me that everyone who is/was pro-Obama, a Liberal/Leftist, and/or pro-Hillary is petrified of this memo coming out.  And everyone that's Conservative/Right Leaning and/or pro-Trump desperately wants this to be made public.  I'll reserve judgment until I get to see things for myself but if there's evidence of wrongdoing by Obama all I can say is UH OOOOOOOH. 
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Quetzalcoatl on February 01, 2018, 08:22:26 PM
I am reserving judgement until we see the memo.   It seems like the GOP is champing at the bit to release it and the Dems are trying to make it seem less important.   Time will tell.

Last thing any of us wants though is a FBIas meaning a biased FBI.  If it is true, the biased agents that took agents should be gone.   I also think if they nail Pres. Trump for obstruction then Hillary with her thousands of deleted emails should be charged too on some level.   There is already a servicemember who did the exact same thing and was sent to prison. 

https://www.snopes.com/kristian-saucier/

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/aug/20/navy-machinist-kristian-saucier-sentenced-over-cla/

Both sides of isle were trying to buy Russian Dirt on the other.

Honestly there is a ton I disagree with about this post, but it's heartening to see that you do not blindly walk in line with the GOP on this.  Instead of arguing, I am just going to give a TP
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: chicagoceltic on February 01, 2018, 08:24:38 PM
Seems to me that everyone who is/was pro-Obama, a Liberal/Leftist, and/or pro-Hillary is petrified of this memo coming out.  And everyone that's Conservative/Right Leaning and/or pro-Trump desperately wants this to be made public.  I'll reserve judgment until I get to see things for myself but if there's evidence of wrongdoing by Obama all I can say is UH OOOOOOOH.
Not everyone that is Conservative/Right Leaning and/or pro-Trump  wants the memo released...upper echelon people in both the DOJ and FBI, who were appointed by Trump, are vehemently opposed to it's release because they believe it cherry picks and omits evidence.  Politically and professionally these people are putting themselves at risk by not following partisan politics...the people that do that are probably the ones to believe.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: SCeltic34 on February 01, 2018, 08:39:24 PM
Seems to me that everyone who is/was pro-Obama, a Liberal/Leftist, and/or pro-Hillary is petrified of this memo coming out.  And everyone that's Conservative/Right Leaning and/or pro-Trump desperately wants this to be made public.  I'll reserve judgment until I get to see things for myself but if there's evidence of wrongdoing by Obama all I can say is UH OOOOOOOH.

I don't think petrified is the right word.  What makes independents and democrats upset about this is the hypocrisy displayed by Republicans who constantly attacked Hilary about her emails citing that it compromised national security, but now are readying to release a document that (1) omits important facts, as pointed out by FBI Director Wray and Rod Rosenstein, both Trump appointees; (2) puts crosshairs on the FBI and the Justice Department for the sake of politics, sowing public mistrust among two important pillars of our democracy (that are supposed to be independent); (3) is devised by Devin Nunes, who has exhibited extremely shady behavior around the Russia investigation; (4) appears to have been altered further following the Republican vote to release the memo; all while yes, damaging national security.  Add that to the fact that the Republicans voted against releasing the rebuttal by the Democrats, and it's clear that House Republicans have no interest in displaying the full story to the American public.  Transparency my backside.  Even Republican senators are concerned about this.

But yes we'll see.  I'm not concerned about it, but it's clearly a major misstep for our democracy (what else is new under this administration?).  I think whatever is presented in that memo is easily refutable, just like every other weak lie and excuse presented by Trump and his family.  I'm not saying Trump is guilty, but he, his family, and members of his transition team sure act like they have something to hide.

With regard to Hilary for those who love to use her as a convenient distraction from Trump - yeah, lock her up if she's truly guilty of wrongdoing.  Any crooked politician deserves such a fate, Dem or Repub.

Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 01, 2018, 10:34:22 PM
My half-baked predictions on the Nunes memo:

- It will overemphasize the role of the Steele dossier in gaining a FISA warrant on Carter Page, ignoring or understating the use of other evidence and that the FBI had been watching him since at least 2013, as well as other Trump associates being monitored and now indicted.

- It will heavily overemphasize Rosenstein's role in renewing the warrant, because the biggest immediate purpose of the memo is to build a case for firing or forcing him out due to his refusal to undermine Mueller on Trump's behalf.

- Having convinced a gullible base through sheer repetition that the dossier has already been proven fake, Trump and toadies in Congress and the media will shriek that the entire investigation top to bottom is now corrupt and illegitimate. They will begin a drumbeat for firing Rosenstein, and either firing or completely hamstringing Mueller.

- The mainstream press will inadvertently further legitimize it by describing it as "controversial" and presenting both sides of the argument similarly with little editorial evaluation. They will be accused of massive partisan bias regardless by the same people carrying water for a President smearing federal investigators to derail a major investigation into himself.

- Lots of coordinated demands to investigate the "real scandal" involving the Obama admin gathering intel on a foreign attack on our country. Think the unmasking flap times ten. Some dog and pony "investigations" in Congress but none go anywhere other than pumping out fresh stories to eat up media oxygen.

- It will come out before long that Nunes was working directly with the White House, again, to write the memo. He's already refusing to answer whether he did so or not. The stories will be labeled as fake for reasons to be determined later or clumsily assembled on the fly.

After that, who knows. If Trump manages to kill the investigation by stacking the FBI and DoJ with lackeys we will go to a very dark place. Not sure how likely that is. But things will probably get worse before they get better.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: TheisTheisBaby on February 01, 2018, 10:57:26 PM
Seems to me that everyone who is/was pro-Obama, a Liberal/Leftist, and/or pro-Hillary is petrified of this memo coming out.  And everyone that's Conservative/Right Leaning and/or pro-Trump desperately wants this to be made public.  I'll reserve judgment until I get to see things for myself but if there's evidence of wrongdoing by Obama all I can say is UH OOOOOOOH.

I don't think petrified is the right word.  What makes independents and democrats upset about this is the hypocrisy displayed by Republicans who constantly attacked Hilary about her emails citing that it compromised national security, but now are readying to release a document that (1) omits important facts, as pointed out by FBI Director Wray and Rod Rosenstein, both Trump appointees; (2) puts crosshairs on the FBI and the Justice Department for the sake of politics, sowing public mistrust among two important pillars of our democracy (that are supposed to be independent); (3) is devised by Devin Nunes, who has exhibited extremely shady behavior around the Russia investigation; (4) appears to have been altered further following the Republican vote to release the memo; all while yes, damaging national security.  Add that to the fact that the Republicans voted against releasing the rebuttal by the Democrats, and it's clear that House Republicans have no interest in displaying the full story to the American public.  Transparency my backside.  Even Republican senators are concerned about this.

But yes we'll see.  I'm not concerned about it, but it's clearly a major misstep for our democracy (what else is new under this administration?).  I think whatever is presented in that memo is easily refutable, just like every other weak lie and excuse presented by Trump and his family.  I'm not saying Trump is guilty, but he, his family, and members of his transition team sure act like they have something to hide.

With regard to Hilary for those who love to use her as a convenient distraction from Trump - yeah, lock her up if she's truly guilty of wrongdoing.  Any crooked politician deserves such a fate, Dem or Repub.

LOL can I assume you lean left?  I have zero issues admitting Trump is basically a butthole whose moral compass has been broken for years but his first year he's put up with more nonsense than anyone in my lifetime and has done a decent (not great) job so far.  Will it continue?  No clue.  But even your post seems to wreak of hope that things fall apart for him.  If I'm wrong feel free to correct me.  I'm probably about 55% right leaning myself and while I tend to vote Republican I didn't vote for him. 
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 02, 2018, 12:49:57 PM
My half-baked predictions on the Nunes memo:

- It will overemphasize the role of the Steele dossier in gaining a FISA warrant on Carter Page, ignoring or understating the use of other evidence and that the FBI had been watching him since at least 2013, as well as other Trump associates being monitored and now indicted.

- It will heavily overemphasize Rosenstein's role in renewing the warrant, because the biggest immediate purpose of the memo is to build a case for firing or forcing him out due to his refusal to undermine Mueller on Trump's behalf.

- Having convinced a gullible base through sheer repetition that the dossier has already been proven fake, Trump and toadies in Congress and the media will shriek that the entire investigation top to bottom is now corrupt and illegitimate. They will begin a drumbeat for firing Rosenstein, and either firing or completely hamstringing Mueller.

- The mainstream press will inadvertently further legitimize it by describing it as "controversial" and presenting both sides of the argument similarly with little editorial evaluation. They will be accused of massive partisan bias regardless by the same people carrying water for a President smearing federal investigators to derail a major investigation into himself.

- Lots of coordinated demands to investigate the "real scandal" involving the Obama admin gathering intel on a foreign attack on our country. Think the unmasking flap times ten. Some dog and pony "investigations" in Congress but none go anywhere other than pumping out fresh stories to eat up media oxygen.

- It will come out before long that Nunes was working directly with the White House, again, to write the memo. He's already refusing to answer whether he did so or not. The stories will be labeled as fake for reasons to be determined later or clumsily assembled on the fly.

After that, who knows. If Trump manages to kill the investigation by stacking the FBI and DoJ with lackeys we will go to a very dark place. Not sure how likely that is. But things will probably get worse before they get better.


So the Nunes Memo is out and this held up pretty well, except it's even flimsier than I expected. Rosenstein is barely mentioned, but more importantly neither is the fact that you need further evidence every 90 days to justify probable cause when renewing a FISA warrant, which happened at least 3 times with Page.

The biggest charge is a statement that McCabe testified they wouldn't have sought a FISA warrant on Page without the Steele dossier, but they don't have any transcripts to verify this, and they completely dodge the question of whether there was probable cause to grant the warrant in the first place, which is the real legal issue. If I had to guess I'd say that this is one of the major areas the FBI believes is creating an inaccurate narrative through omission.

Overall the intent seems to be trying to claim the FBI tried to rig the election by getting one specific warrant 2 weeks before the election, when Page wasn't part of the campaign at all anymore. They then sprang into action by not leaking or publicizing it, while publicly reopening the Clinton investigation and agents leaking to the NYT that the Trump camp was in the clear. It's absurd on its face but we're in pure crazy town.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: blink on February 02, 2018, 01:14:52 PM
This memo is just as much Trump as Nunes.  Trump's next move is going to be to attempt to fire Rob Rosenstein.  The whole memo is political hogwash to push back against Mueller.  Trump was told he couldn't fire Mueller by white house counsel, so he is doing whatever he can to delegitimize the FBI without doing that.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 02, 2018, 01:23:39 PM
This memo is just as much Trump as Nunes.  Trump's next move is going to be to attempt to fire Rob Rosenstein.  The whole memo is political hogwash to push back against Mueller.  Trump was told he couldn't fire Mueller by white house counsel, so he is doing whatever he can to delegitimize the FBI without doing that.

Yup - RW figures are already starting the drumbeat that Rosenstein should be fired or recuse himself, for...reasons. It's unclear even based on the memo's narrative why that should happen. It even acknowledges the Trump investigation started with Papadopoulus in July, rather than Page in October.  It's only scandalous to people who've already decided there's a scandal.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: IDreamCeltics on February 02, 2018, 01:30:36 PM
Just saw on the News.

The whole Russia thing is a witch hunt.

They are just trying to drag it out until next years election.

Trump is right , the top of the FBI is totally corrupt,  trying to stop a dually elected President of the United States.

Time for people to go to jail, watch yourself Comey and Hillary....

The top of the FBI and DOJ are Republicans and Trump appointees... You get that right?   



Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: fairweatherfan on February 02, 2018, 01:49:36 PM
The flipside of this: I'm not sure what all the noise from the IC and Dems about this compromising national security is, with one major exception - it may very well have revealed that Carter Page is still under surveillance, which could be a big deal if we were getting useful info from him.  It's also possible sources will be much more reluctant to work with us if they think their work could be unveiled for partisan hackery.

The other major exception of course is that I know jack about intelligence gathering so there are probably issues I'm not thinking of.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: adam8 on February 02, 2018, 02:56:20 PM
The flipside of this: I'm not sure what all the noise from the IC and Dems about this compromising national security is, with one major exception - it may very well have revealed that Carter Page is still under surveillance, which could be a big deal if we were getting useful info from him.  It's also possible sources will be much more reluctant to work with us if they think their work could be unveiled for partisan hackery.

The other major exception of course is that I know jack about intelligence gathering so there are probably issues I'm not thinking of.
I would think this also puts the IC in the awkward position of either doing nothing and looking biased or releasing relevant information that could discredit the memo but would also be giving up more classified information and therefore looking biased the other way.

Seems like it doesn't really matter what was in the memo it was all about the build up and knowing that Trump supporters will just assume it means everyone was biased against Trump when really it didn't show much of anything at all.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: saltlover on February 02, 2018, 03:02:40 PM
The flipside of this: I'm not sure what all the noise from the IC and Dems about this compromising national security is, with one major exception - it may very well have revealed that Carter Page is still under surveillance, which could be a big deal if we were getting useful info from him.  It's also possible sources will be much more reluctant to work with us if they think their work could be unveiled for partisan hackery.

The other major exception of course is that I know jack about intelligence gathering so there are probably issues I'm not thinking of.

To me this is the big one.  It was only 9 months ago that Trump showed off Israeli intelligence to Russia because he was trying to impress them.  Now that the legislative branch has also shown a willingness to divulge state secrets for political ends, it’s going to further erode our credibility, ultimately hurting international cooperation.  In the long run, this damages national security.
Title: Re: FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe set to retire (How convenient)
Post by: Cman on February 02, 2018, 09:02:24 PM
The flipside of this: I'm not sure what all the noise from the IC and Dems about this compromising national security is, with one major exception - it may very well have revealed that Carter Page is still under surveillance, which could be a big deal if we were getting useful info from him.  It's also possible sources will be much more reluctant to work with us if they think their work could be unveiled for partisan hackery.

The other major exception of course is that I know jack about intelligence gathering so there are probably issues I'm not thinking of.

The thing I don't get is why people are trying to use the memo as a reason to fire Rosenstein. Regardless of what one might think of the memo, the FISA warrant pre-dates Rosenstein being in his current position.

There are so many things wrong with the memo to begin with, I honestly can't understand why Trump would want to release it, let alone try to justify any actions as a result of it.