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Title: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: triboy16f on December 17, 2017, 03:39:00 PM
To Memphis: Smart, Yabusele, Larkin, 2nd round picks

To Celtics: Tyreke Evans,  Ivan rabb , Mclemore

Reason for Grizzlies:  It's time to start rebuilding.  Team should field offers for Gasol and attach Parsons salary (terrible contact) when they decide to trade the big fella.

Reason for Celtics.  Evans would provide dependable scoring off the bench.   He is the key of this trade.  CBS should be able to rejuvanate Mclemores career.  A player Ainge has always liked.   


I know some Smart fans won't like this idea...but he has not improved from last season and will want to get paid more money than he deserves.  Come playoff time a player like Evans will be more valuable than a player like Smart.   Semi can do many of things Smart can do defensively also

lineup after trade

Baynes
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Irving

Theis
Morris/Rabb
Evans
Mclemore
Rozier
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 17, 2017, 03:45:08 PM
Not a bad idea, but these trades are not normally 6 player trades.

Something like Smart and a 2nd for Evans makes sense. Evans is an expiring contract, but the Griz could look at Smart and have his bird rights going into the off-season.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: CELTICSofBOSTON on December 17, 2017, 03:51:37 PM
If we trade for Evans we get his bird rights correct?

Either way, what does he get in free agency?  13-15 million per?  Do you think Danny would be willing to pay him that for 4 years?  I think no.

We should keep Smart... he’ll probably take the QO and be an unrestricted free agent two summers from now.  By that time we will hopefully have a good backup guard to replace him.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: showtime on December 17, 2017, 04:34:47 PM
Smart and a 2nd would be a great trade for Evans!!  I think we on this board highly overrate Smart.The Griz probably want more!!
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: DefenseWinsChamps on December 17, 2017, 04:38:10 PM
Smart and a 2nd would be a great trade for Evans!!  I think we on this board highly overrate Smart.The Griz probably want more!!

Agreed, but Evans was only worth a couple million on a one-year contract -- that's his value. Considering both contracts and the Smart's RFA, it seems like its fair overall.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: JBcat on December 17, 2017, 04:44:54 PM
I don’t think we get his bird rights so for that reason I’m not crazy about the trade idea as it would most likely be for a rental. 
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: showtime on December 17, 2017, 04:50:05 PM
Smart and a 2nd would be a great trade for Evans!!  I think we on this board highly overrate Smart.The Griz probably want more!!

Agreed, but Evans was only worth a couple million on a one-year contract -- that's his value. Considering both contracts and the Smart's RFA, it seems like its fair overall.
  I think it's a fair trade. I just don't know if the Griz have a need for Smart!
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: ZoneD on December 17, 2017, 05:22:30 PM
I think Memphis says no to this. They're giving up the best player in the deal and the best prospect in Rabb.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Birdman on December 17, 2017, 05:45:19 PM
I take Evans over smart anyday
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: triboy16f on December 17, 2017, 07:11:28 PM
Considering stage of career, some battles with Injuries, i think the Celts would keep Evans to a 3 year 30-35 million dollar deal.  And it would be worth it

Memphis will lose Evans after this season ...  unless a team is willing to give up a 1st (doubt it)

a player like Smart in return is not bad... plus they are 1st in line to resign
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Eddie20 on December 17, 2017, 07:15:21 PM
Considering stage of career, some battles with Injuries, i think the Celts would keep Evans to a 3 year 30-35 million dollar deal.  And it would be worth it

Can you explain how the C's will open up the necessary cap space to accomplish this?
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: triboy16f on December 17, 2017, 07:24:43 PM
Considering stage of career, some battles with Injuries, i think the Celts would keep Evans to a 3 year 30-35 million dollar deal.  And it would be worth it

Can you explain how the C's will open up the necessary cap space to accomplish this?

baynes, larkin for example are only signed for this season 

Wyc can also afford to pay some luxury tax
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Eddie20 on December 17, 2017, 07:31:13 PM
Considering stage of career, some battles with Injuries, i think the Celts would keep Evans to a 3 year 30-35 million dollar deal.  And it would be worth it

Can you explain how the C's will open up the necessary cap space to accomplish this?

baynes, larkin for example are only signed for this season 

Wyc can also afford to pay some luxury tax

It has nothing to do with luxury tax or those guys being free agents. You need to look at our salary for next year so you can understand what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Geo123 on December 17, 2017, 07:34:42 PM
Considering stage of career, some battles with Injuries, i think the Celts would keep Evans to a 3 year 30-35 million dollar deal.  And it would be worth it

Memphis will lose Evans after this season ...  unless a team is willing to give up a 1st (doubt it)

a player like Smart in return is not bad... plus they are 1st in line to resign

The Grizzlies have a better chance to sign Evan's than Smart plus Smart isn't close to the ball player Evans  is.  There's no way they make the trade. 
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Rondo9 on December 17, 2017, 08:45:26 PM
I like Semi, but he's not ready to contribute meaningful minutes yet.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Sarcasma on December 17, 2017, 09:00:23 PM
To Memphis: Smart, Yabusele, Larkin, 2nd round picks

To Celtics: Tyreke Evans,  Ivan rabb , Mclemore

Reason for Grizzlies:  It's time to start rebuilding.  Team should field offers for Gasol and attach Parsons salary (terrible contact) when they decide to trade the big fella.

Reason for Celtics.  Evans would provide dependable scoring off the bench.   He is the key of this trade.  CBS should be able to rejuvanate Mclemores career.  A player Ainge has always liked.   


I know some Smart fans won't like this idea...but he has not improved from last season and will want to get paid more money than he deserves.  Come playoff time a player like Evans will be more valuable than a player like Smart.   Semi can do many of things Smart can do defensively also

lineup after trade

Baynes
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Irving

Theis
Morris/Rabb
Evans
Mclemore
Rozier

Anything that gets SMart off the team is a yes from me.

I actually asked fans on the Reddit Celtics board if they would trade Smart for Tyreke straight up, and they said NO...LOL.

I cant wait until Smart is off the team.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: JBcat on December 17, 2017, 10:06:20 PM
To Memphis: Smart, Yabusele, Larkin, 2nd round picks

To Celtics: Tyreke Evans,  Ivan rabb , Mclemore

Reason for Grizzlies:  It's time to start rebuilding.  Team should field offers for Gasol and attach Parsons salary (terrible contact) when they decide to trade the big fella.

Reason for Celtics.  Evans would provide dependable scoring off the bench.   He is the key of this trade.  CBS should be able to rejuvanate Mclemores career.  A player Ainge has always liked.   


I know some Smart fans won't like this idea...but he has not improved from last season and will want to get paid more money than he deserves.  Come playoff time a player like Evans will be more valuable than a player like Smart.   Semi can do many of things Smart can do defensively also

lineup after trade

Baynes
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Irving

Theis
Morris/Rabb
Evans
Mclemore
Rozier

Anything that gets SMart off the team is a yes from me.

I actually asked fans on the Reddit Celtics board if they would trade Smart for Tyreke straight up, and they said NO...LOL.

I cant wait until Smart is off the team.

What you doing though is trading for about a little more than a 1/2 season of Evans as we may only be able to re-sign him using our exceptions and with the way he is playing it probably won’t be enough.

In a vacuum I would do it, but when look at contract situations not as easy.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on December 17, 2017, 10:21:42 PM
He'd probably injure himself signing the contract.  Hard pass.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: playdream on December 17, 2017, 11:28:57 PM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: gouki88 on December 18, 2017, 12:35:21 AM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: playdream on December 18, 2017, 12:53:03 AM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: gouki88 on December 18, 2017, 01:44:45 AM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: playdream on December 18, 2017, 01:53:49 AM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
That good, but what about his contract? Smart is likely to get ~1000 or even less with how he shoot now, we can't afford another big contract on someone off the bench
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 18, 2017, 02:47:49 AM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
That good, but what about his contract? Smart is likely to get ~1000 or even less with how he shoot now, we can't afford another big contract on someone off the bench
Smart is get 1000 whats?
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: playdream on December 18, 2017, 03:28:12 AM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
That good, but what about his contract? Smart is likely to get ~1000 or even less with how he shoot now, we can't afford another big contract on someone off the bench
Smart is get 1000 whats?
1000M$
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Surferdad on December 18, 2017, 07:18:00 AM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
That's for sure.  In fact, his defense against the C's in the last game was pretty laughable.  Now Morris is out for a while.  I don't think the C's can afford to lose more defense.

OP: You talk about the virtues of Semi, but then you don't even have him on your depth chart.   ???
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Baynes
Horford
Tatum
Brown
Irving

Theis
Morris/Rabb
Evans
Mclemore
Rozier
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Big333223 on December 18, 2017, 07:52:26 AM
I understand the frustration with Smart but he's still my favorite player in the league. I think what he brings in leadership, heart, and versatility is a big part of why the Celtics have been as successful as they have been the last couple of years.

I also think his market as a free agent is going to be pretty cold if his shooting stays where it is so I'm not worried about paying him. Tyreke, on the other hand, signed a bargain deal this summer because he was such and injury risk. If he can finish this season healthy and with a reliable 3 point shot, he's going to be a lot more expensive than Smart.

Tyreke could be terrific in Stevens' system. Think Evan Turner but Tyreke actually developed a 3 point shot. But I don't want to give up much for a rental.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: triboy16f on December 18, 2017, 09:45:52 AM
I understand the frustration with Smart but he's still my favorite player in the league. I think what he brings in leadership, heart, and versatility is a big part of why the Celtics have been as successful as they have been the last couple of years.

I also think his market as a free agent is going to be pretty cold if his shooting stays where it is so I'm not worried about paying him. Tyreke, on the other hand, signed a bargain deal this summer because he was such and injury risk. If he can finish this season healthy and with a reliable 3 point shot, he's going to be a lot more expensive than Smart.

Tyreke could be terrific in Stevens' system. Think Evan Turner but Tyreke actually developed a 3 point shot. But I don't want to give up much for a rental.

and if it stays this way...why should the celts want to extend to Smart?

team has needed some offensive outbursts from him, especially if Kyrie is struggling or out of the game....  he has given us zero in these situations on the offensive end
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Snakehead on December 18, 2017, 09:51:00 AM
I don't think they will want to give him up but I have to say, as someone who has long liked Tyreke Evans, accepting what he was, watching him be a legit off the dribble even three point shooter now is crazy and I would really like him if he was available.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: shake603 on December 18, 2017, 10:13:08 AM
If we trade for Evans we get his bird rights correct?

Either way, what does he get in free agency?  13-15 million per?  Do you think Danny would be willing to pay him that for 4 years?  I think no.

We should keep Smart... he’ll probably take the QO and be an unrestricted free agent two summers from now.  By that time we will hopefully have a good backup guard to replace him.


He has not attained bird rights on his current contract since he signed with a new team as an FA, so he has no rights to come with him anyway. We would only be able to sign him with exceptions next year, or cap space, of which we will likely have none. He's almost a sure-fire rental.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Big333223 on December 18, 2017, 01:21:15 PM
I understand the frustration with Smart but he's still my favorite player in the league. I think what he brings in leadership, heart, and versatility is a big part of why the Celtics have been as successful as they have been the last couple of years.

I also think his market as a free agent is going to be pretty cold if his shooting stays where it is so I'm not worried about paying him. Tyreke, on the other hand, signed a bargain deal this summer because he was such and injury risk. If he can finish this season healthy and with a reliable 3 point shot, he's going to be a lot more expensive than Smart.

Tyreke could be terrific in Stevens' system. Think Evan Turner but Tyreke actually developed a 3 point shot. But I don't want to give up much for a rental.

and if it stays this way...why should the celts want to extend to Smart?

team has needed some offensive outbursts from him, especially if Kyrie is struggling or out of the game....  he has given us zero in these situations on the offensive end

For the reasons I listed: his leadership, heart, and versatility. I think players who do what Smart does (as a defender, playmaker, and leader) are rare but can be relatively inexpensive because those kinds of attributes are often underrated.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: playdream on December 18, 2017, 02:18:40 PM
I understand the frustration with Smart but he's still my favorite player in the league. I think what he brings in leadership, heart, and versatility is a big part of why the Celtics have been as successful as they have been the last couple of years.

I also think his market as a free agent is going to be pretty cold if his shooting stays where it is so I'm not worried about paying him. Tyreke, on the other hand, signed a bargain deal this summer because he was such and injury risk. If he can finish this season healthy and with a reliable 3 point shot, he's going to be a lot more expensive than Smart.

Tyreke could be terrific in Stevens' system. Think Evan Turner but Tyreke actually developed a 3 point shot. But I don't want to give up much for a rental.

and if it stays this way...why should the celts want to extend to Smart?

team has needed some offensive outbursts from him, especially if Kyrie is struggling or out of the game....  he has given us zero in these situations on the offensive end

For the reasons I listed: his leadership, heart, and versatility. I think players who do what Smart does (as a defender, playmaker, and leader) are rare but can be relatively inexpensive because those kinds of attributes are often underrated.
Agree with this, sign him cheap for now and his offense will come, then you have another bargain contract
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Smartacus on December 18, 2017, 04:10:31 PM
Big fan of Smart but if Danny wanted to pull the trigger on a Tyreke Evans trade I'd have to consider it a win for us. Tyreke has an absolutely ridiculous wingspan and his game is perfectly suited to anchor a bench unit on a contender. He's one of the few guys in the league as physically imposing as Smart is at the 1-3 position. (Smart is listed at 6'4 220 and Reke is at 6'6 220 according to Basketball Reference)

Do not want to see Smart traded but I admit, this is one I could really stomach. Although honestly I dont see it happening since Stevens describes Smart as the most knowledgeable player of our offense and I think Tyreke is more of a 'play my game' kind of guy. We'd take a massive hit in leadership, intangibles and culture in this trade, albeit at a massive gain to our bench scoring.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: SHAQATTACK on December 18, 2017, 05:14:39 PM
does not move the needle .  rew mote,points till Hayward retirns and Morris is healthy .  Drop of in winning basket plays , passing . Smart is the emotional leader ,  he lifts the team at crunch time , making any play necessary to win .  Poor trade.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: triboy16f on December 18, 2017, 05:15:51 PM
I understand the frustration with Smart but he's still my favorite player in the league. I think what he brings in leadership, heart, and versatility is a big part of why the Celtics have been as successful as they have been the last couple of years.

I also think his market as a free agent is going to be pretty cold if his shooting stays where it is so I'm not worried about paying him. Tyreke, on the other hand, signed a bargain deal this summer because he was such and injury risk. If he can finish this season healthy and with a reliable 3 point shot, he's going to be a lot more expensive than Smart.

Tyreke could be terrific in Stevens' system. Think Evan Turner but Tyreke actually developed a 3 point shot. But I don't want to give up much for a rental.

and if it stays this way...why should the celts want to extend to Smart?

team has needed some offensive outbursts from him, especially if Kyrie is struggling or out of the game....  he has given us zero in these situations on the offensive end

For the reasons I listed: his leadership, heart, and versatility. I think players who do what Smart does (as a defender, playmaker, and leader) are rare but can be relatively inexpensive because those kinds of attributes are often underrated.
Agree with this, sign him cheap for now and his offense will come, then you have another bargain contract

no it won't...

it is what it is
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Ilikesports17 on December 18, 2017, 09:44:21 PM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
That good, but what about his contract? Smart is likely to get ~1000 or even less with how he shoot now, we can't afford another big contract on someone off the bench
Smart is get 1000 whats?
1000M$
Wait what?
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: playdream on December 19, 2017, 07:16:00 PM
I understand the frustration with Smart but he's still my favorite player in the league. I think what he brings in leadership, heart, and versatility is a big part of why the Celtics have been as successful as they have been the last couple of years.

I also think his market as a free agent is going to be pretty cold if his shooting stays where it is so I'm not worried about paying him. Tyreke, on the other hand, signed a bargain deal this summer because he was such and injury risk. If he can finish this season healthy and with a reliable 3 point shot, he's going to be a lot more expensive than Smart.

Tyreke could be terrific in Stevens' system. Think Evan Turner but Tyreke actually developed a 3 point shot. But I don't want to give up much for a rental.

and if it stays this way...why should the celts want to extend to Smart?

team has needed some offensive outbursts from him, especially if Kyrie is struggling or out of the game....  he has given us zero in these situations on the offensive end

For the reasons I listed: his leadership, heart, and versatility. I think players who do what Smart does (as a defender, playmaker, and leader) are rare but can be relatively inexpensive because those kinds of attributes are often underrated.
Agree with this, sign him cheap for now and his offense will come, then you have another bargain contract

no it won't...

it is what it is
He went 4-4 from 3 and 5-6 from field last night, his ft% isn't bad, he is showing flashs
I really think he is going to take a huge lift as soon as next year
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Big333223 on December 19, 2017, 08:30:35 PM
I understand the frustration with Smart but he's still my favorite player in the league. I think what he brings in leadership, heart, and versatility is a big part of why the Celtics have been as successful as they have been the last couple of years.

I also think his market as a free agent is going to be pretty cold if his shooting stays where it is so I'm not worried about paying him. Tyreke, on the other hand, signed a bargain deal this summer because he was such and injury risk. If he can finish this season healthy and with a reliable 3 point shot, he's going to be a lot more expensive than Smart.

Tyreke could be terrific in Stevens' system. Think Evan Turner but Tyreke actually developed a 3 point shot. But I don't want to give up much for a rental.

and if it stays this way...why should the celts want to extend to Smart?

team has needed some offensive outbursts from him, especially if Kyrie is struggling or out of the game....  he has given us zero in these situations on the offensive end

For the reasons I listed: his leadership, heart, and versatility. I think players who do what Smart does (as a defender, playmaker, and leader) are rare but can be relatively inexpensive because those kinds of attributes are often underrated.
Agree with this, sign him cheap for now and his offense will come, then you have another bargain contract

no it won't...

it is what it is
He went 4-4 from 3 and 5-6 from field last night, his ft% isn't bad, he is showing flashs
I really think he is going to take a huge lift as soon as next year
I'm as big of a Smart supporter as there is but he's had those types of games his whole career. He's even had stretches over multiple weeks where it looks like he's figured it out. It hasn't happened.

It's definitely possible he could turn into an average shooter. Some guys figure it out late. But I'm not looking at last night's game and taking it as a sign of anything.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on December 20, 2017, 04:01:15 PM
Considering stage of career, some battles with Injuries, i think the Celts would keep Evans to a 3 year 30-35 million dollar deal.  And it would be worth it

Can you explain how the C's will open up the necessary cap space to accomplish this?
We can go over the cap for Smart but not Evans. So Smart is more valuable to us because we can keep him no matter what. I may over value Smart. He knows his role and wants to be a Celtic, that to me means something.

baynes, larkin for example are only signed for this season 

Wyc can also afford to pay some luxury tax

It has nothing to do with luxury tax or those guys being free agents. You need to look at our salary for next year so you can understand what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: playdream on December 20, 2017, 05:04:55 PM
I understand the frustration with Smart but he's still my favorite player in the league. I think what he brings in leadership, heart, and versatility is a big part of why the Celtics have been as successful as they have been the last couple of years.

I also think his market as a free agent is going to be pretty cold if his shooting stays where it is so I'm not worried about paying him. Tyreke, on the other hand, signed a bargain deal this summer because he was such and injury risk. If he can finish this season healthy and with a reliable 3 point shot, he's going to be a lot more expensive than Smart.

Tyreke could be terrific in Stevens' system. Think Evan Turner but Tyreke actually developed a 3 point shot. But I don't want to give up much for a rental.

and if it stays this way...why should the celts want to extend to Smart?

team has needed some offensive outbursts from him, especially if Kyrie is struggling or out of the game....  he has given us zero in these situations on the offensive end

For the reasons I listed: his leadership, heart, and versatility. I think players who do what Smart does (as a defender, playmaker, and leader) are rare but can be relatively inexpensive because those kinds of attributes are often underrated.
Agree with this, sign him cheap for now and his offense will come, then you have another bargain contract

no it won't...

it is what it is
He went 4-4 from 3 and 5-6 from field last night, his ft% isn't bad, he is showing flashs
I really think he is going to take a huge lift as soon as next year
I'm as big of a Smart supporter as there is but he's had those types of games his whole career. He's even had stretches over multiple weeks where it looks like he's figured it out. It hasn't happened.

It's definitely possible he could turn into an average shooter. Some guys figure it out late. But I'm not looking at last night's game and taking it as a sign of anything.
I have faith in him, i see his hot-cold streak as a sign of process for progress, that he isn't like Rondo and has a very high chance to improve over the years
He still has the chance to become a better shooter/passer and much better defender but worse touch wade
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Big333223 on December 20, 2017, 05:44:36 PM
I understand the frustration with Smart but he's still my favorite player in the league. I think what he brings in leadership, heart, and versatility is a big part of why the Celtics have been as successful as they have been the last couple of years.

I also think his market as a free agent is going to be pretty cold if his shooting stays where it is so I'm not worried about paying him. Tyreke, on the other hand, signed a bargain deal this summer because he was such and injury risk. If he can finish this season healthy and with a reliable 3 point shot, he's going to be a lot more expensive than Smart.

Tyreke could be terrific in Stevens' system. Think Evan Turner but Tyreke actually developed a 3 point shot. But I don't want to give up much for a rental.

and if it stays this way...why should the celts want to extend to Smart?

team has needed some offensive outbursts from him, especially if Kyrie is struggling or out of the game....  he has given us zero in these situations on the offensive end

For the reasons I listed: his leadership, heart, and versatility. I think players who do what Smart does (as a defender, playmaker, and leader) are rare but can be relatively inexpensive because those kinds of attributes are often underrated.
Agree with this, sign him cheap for now and his offense will come, then you have another bargain contract

no it won't...

it is what it is
He went 4-4 from 3 and 5-6 from field last night, his ft% isn't bad, he is showing flashs
I really think he is going to take a huge lift as soon as next year
I'm as big of a Smart supporter as there is but he's had those types of games his whole career. He's even had stretches over multiple weeks where it looks like he's figured it out. It hasn't happened.

It's definitely possible he could turn into an average shooter. Some guys figure it out late. But I'm not looking at last night's game and taking it as a sign of anything.
I have faith in him, i see his hot-cold streak as a sign of process for progress, that he isn't like Rondo and has a very high chance to improve over the years
He still has the chance to become a better shooter/passer and much better defender but worse touch wade
It's true that he's not like Rondo. Rondo's problem became an unwillingness to shoot. By refusing to shoot when he was wide open he'd destroy the Celtics' spacing and wind up handicapping the offense. His trouble with FT's made him stop going to the hoop. Now, he's been a decent 3 point shooter for about 3 years probably because he's gotten used to taking the shots.

Smart just making himself a threat, however minor, is better for the offense than if he stopped shooting altogether.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Chief Macho on December 20, 2017, 10:53:44 PM
Hell no. Danny farts in the phone and hangs up.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: rondofan1255 on December 28, 2017, 01:12:53 AM
Hope Tyreke to Boston happens!
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: mr. dee on December 28, 2017, 02:20:26 AM
I feel that Yabusele have higher ceiling than Rabb will have. But the ship has sailed with McLemore. He had the potential but just couldn't put it together.

I'd love to have Evans, but not at he expense of Smart or any positive key rotation players with the team.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: osterhagen on January 28, 2018, 10:00:16 AM
what are rumors about marc gasols availability?

can we trade they guy we sign with DPE right away?

Gasol and Reke would put us over any team
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: hodgy03038 on January 28, 2018, 10:01:46 AM
what are rumors about marc gasols availability?

can we trade they guy we sign with DPE right away?

Gasol and Reke would put us over any team


No. That option was gone months ago.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: goCeltics on January 30, 2018, 06:46:53 AM
Would like a trade that included j green as well
My idea is
Smart+yabu+18 bos pick for
Evans+green+ennis

Would have to pick up evans or ennis in a seperate deal for the pick, for it to work. Would cut memphis payroll by 7 mill and cut our hayward exception to around 5 mill
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: mef730 on January 31, 2018, 01:40:08 PM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
That good, but what about his contract? Smart is likely to get ~1000 or even less with how he shoot now, we can't afford another big contract on someone off the bench
Smart is get 1000 whats?
1000M$
Wait what?


One bil-lion dollars.

(Removes finger from mouth.)

The secondhand rumor from my friend who has no idea what he's talking about is Smart and a 1st for Tyreke. I can neither verify it nor determine where he heard that. I'm just annoyed that the trade deadline rumor mill has been so quiet.

Mike
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on January 31, 2018, 01:50:02 PM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
That good, but what about his contract? Smart is likely to get ~1000 or even less with how he shoot now, we can't afford another big contract on someone off the bench
Smart is get 1000 whats?
1000M$
Wait what?


One bil-lion dollars.

(Removes finger from mouth.)

The secondhand rumor from my friend who has no idea what he's talking about is Smart and a 1st for Tyreke. I can neither verify it nor determine where he heard that. I'm just annoyed that the trade deadline rumor mill has been so quiet.

Mike

I want to hear more stuff too—but then again, most years I hear a lot of stuff, followed by the deafening silence of Danny doing nothing (or next to nothing) at the deadline, which annoys me even more greatly.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: mef730 on January 31, 2018, 01:55:30 PM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
That good, but what about his contract? Smart is likely to get ~1000 or even less with how he shoot now, we can't afford another big contract on someone off the bench
Smart is get 1000 whats?
1000M$
Wait what?


One bil-lion dollars.

(Removes finger from mouth.)

The secondhand rumor from my friend who has no idea what he's talking about is Smart and a 1st for Tyreke. I can neither verify it nor determine where he heard that. I'm just annoyed that the trade deadline rumor mill has been so quiet.

Mike

I want to hear more stuff too—but then again, most years I hear a lot of stuff, followed by the deafening silence of Danny doing nothing (or next to nothing) at the deadline, which annoys me even more greatly.

Also true. And when was the last time a rumored trade became an actual trade?

Mike
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Phantom255x on January 31, 2018, 01:57:40 PM
Don't even know much about Tyreke Evans..i think that means no
won't trade Smart for scrubs, he has value here
The 2010 ROY who has basically been a 16/5/5 guy his whole career, who is closing in on 20/5/5 this year? You haven't heard much of him?

He is so much better than Smart it's not funny. Calling Evans a scrub in comparison to Smart is laughably misinformed
Lol i have heard about his name couple times but really nothing more(watching from 2008),
Is he good or just stat padding on bad teams?
(Smart single handedly win us game 3 vs Cavs in ECF, is he good enough to do that?)
He's a really good offensive talent, basically a 6'6" PG, but he got screwed by being on that rubbish Sacramento team that ruined nearly all their young talent.

I reckon he'd be perfect for our team, as he would be the ideal guy off the bench for us in terms of shot creation and defensive versatility. He can also take over games, similarly to Smart. However he isn't the defender that Smart is, and isn't as gritty.
That good, but what about his contract? Smart is likely to get ~1000 or even less with how he shoot now, we can't afford another big contract on someone off the bench
Smart is get 1000 whats?
1000M$
Wait what?


One bil-lion dollars.

(Removes finger from mouth.)

The secondhand rumor from my friend who has no idea what he's talking about is Smart and a 1st for Tyreke. I can neither verify it nor determine where he heard that. I'm just annoyed that the trade deadline rumor mill has been so quiet.

Mike

I want to hear more stuff too—but then again, most years I hear a lot of stuff, followed by the deafening silence of Danny doing nothing (or next to nothing) at the deadline, which annoys me even more greatly.

Yep, and even when a trade is made, it happens literally 2 minutes before the deadline and is announced to us like 2 minutes after the deadline is supposedly over (3:02 EST), just like the Isaiah Thomas trade three years ago  :P
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: GreenEnvy on January 31, 2018, 01:58:56 PM
Smart and a 2nd would be a great trade for Evans!!  I think we on this board highly overrate Smart.The Griz probably want more!!

Agreed, but Evans was only worth a couple million on a one-year contract -- that's his value. Considering both contracts and the Smart's RFA, it seems like its fair overall.

That WAS his value. Averaging nearly 20/5/5 will raise your value a tad.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: seancally on January 31, 2018, 02:20:15 PM
I'd do some version of a Smart-for-Evans swap. At this point, our defense can afford to take a dip. Our offense cannot. In this NBA the No. 1 defense and No. 30 offense (for example) gets you nowhere.

Additionally, I think we in Boston give a bit too much value to flawed players who have huge heart and grit. Memphis was the definition of heart and grit for several seasons. They don't have any rings to show for it.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: sdceltsfan on January 31, 2018, 03:02:53 PM
Mark Stein reported a few hours ago that the Sixers are after Evans as well, and Memphis wants a 1st rounder. Philly obviously has a lot higher of a pick, so they are probably not digging that idea. Unless Philly and Memphis are mutually wanting to make a deal like Luwawu&Mconnel for Evans, there isn't much else Philly can offer outside of that much higher pick then Boston will have.

We also have Yabu, who works salary-wise and Philly may want. I say either offer Larkin/Nader/2018 1st OR Yabu and and 2nd. No need to over pay for Evans. Memphis isn't going to pay him and they will be fine with taking some draft stock, young prospects in return.

Then we would still have the DPE and other moveable assets to get a higher contract expiring, and make full use of our DPE and smaller tradeable assets, while still maintaining any big chips for this off season.

I think Larkin/Nader/2018 1st to Memphis for Evans

then hit up LA and offer the DPE and a couple 2nd rounders for Randle. The Lakers aren't in a position to take on salary if they are truly trying to sign two max FA's. The DPE is the best offer, because we can send them draft assets "for free" and they still clear their cap.

Dallas is rumored to want Randle, so they could theoretically offer one of Noel/Curry/Harris, but their 1st is obviously off limits in such a trade, and I doubt they would even want to part with a high 2nd rounder to facilitate the trade.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Vermont Green on January 31, 2018, 04:52:16 PM
I don't want to trade Smart for Evans.  Next season, with Hayward we won't need Evans nearly as much and we won't have the cap space to sign him anyway.  So Evans is a rental.  Smart, although also in his last year of his contract, can be signed if we want to and will still be a useful player who can do things for the team that no other player can do.

This isn't so much about who is better, Smart or Evans, there is much more in play than just that. If you think we will just give up on Smart next season, then maybe a couple of months of Evans is better than a couple of months of Smart (I am not even so sure that is the case), but I think it is better to keep Smart so that we at least have the option to sign him after this season.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: JBcat on February 04, 2018, 10:16:27 AM
I don't want to trade Smart for Evans.  Next season, with Hayward we won't need Evans nearly as much and we won't have the cap space to sign him anyway.  So Evans is a rental.  Smart, although also in his last year of his contract, can be signed if we want to and will still be a useful player who can do things for the team that no other player can do.

This isn't so much about who is better, Smart or Evans, there is much more in play than just that. If you think we will just give up on Smart next season, then maybe a couple of months of Evans is better than a couple of months of Smart (I am not even so sure that is the case), but I think it is better to keep Smart so that we at least have the option to sign him after this season.

I agree with you on this, however if we are entertaining the idea of trading Smart, and getting Evans I came up with a 3 team trade that could work.

OKC has a few lower expiring contracts like Collison, Felton, and 1 or 2 other end of the bench guys plus someone like Grant on a multiyear low contract that would make a 3 team trade work.  OKC could really use a player like Smart.

So an idea I have is:

Smart to OKC

Evans, one of those expirings that will be immediately waived, and some sort of protected future first pick from OKC to Boston.

2 of those expirings or even someone like Jerami Grant from OKC plus our 2018 1st round pick to Memphis.

Seems fair.  We get the better player but is almost certainly a rental so we end up with most likely better future 1st round pick while giving up our own.

Memphis gets their 1st round pick, and maybe a lower end prospect from OKC that they can hold onto.

OKC gets a strong chance to retain Smart with RFA status.

Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: ChillyWilly on February 04, 2018, 10:59:53 AM
I don't want to trade Smart for Evans.  Next season, with Hayward we won't need Evans nearly as much and we won't have the cap space to sign him anyway.  So Evans is a rental.  Smart, although also in his last year of his contract, can be signed if we want to and will still be a useful player who can do things for the team that no other player can do.

This isn't so much about who is better, Smart or Evans, there is much more in play than just that. If you think we will just give up on Smart next season, then maybe a couple of months of Evans is better than a couple of months of Smart (I am not even so sure that is the case), but I think it is better to keep Smart so that we at least have the option to sign him after this season.

Go 1/7 for 3 and take game winning shot attempts? j/k I enjoy a good Smart fan ribbing :)

In all seriousness what is it Smart does that other NBA players cant or wont? Maybe 2-3 seasons ago we could all point to hey Smart can cover 1-3 no one else on roster can do that! But we have a handful of guys who can switch 2-4 now AND aren't a negative on the offensive end.

Smart served a purpose as a utility knife player during a rebuild who has regressed with better players around him this season.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Big333223 on February 04, 2018, 04:27:30 PM
I don't want to trade Smart for Evans.  Next season, with Hayward we won't need Evans nearly as much and we won't have the cap space to sign him anyway.  So Evans is a rental.  Smart, although also in his last year of his contract, can be signed if we want to and will still be a useful player who can do things for the team that no other player can do.

This isn't so much about who is better, Smart or Evans, there is much more in play than just that. If you think we will just give up on Smart next season, then maybe a couple of months of Evans is better than a couple of months of Smart (I am not even so sure that is the case), but I think it is better to keep Smart so that we at least have the option to sign him after this season.

Go 1/7 for 3 and take game winning shot attempts? j/k I enjoy a good Smart fan ribbing :)

In all seriousness what is it Smart does that other NBA players cant or wont? Maybe 2-3 seasons ago we could all point to hey Smart can cover 1-3 no one else on roster can do that! But we have a handful of guys who can switch 2-4 now AND aren't a negative on the offensive end.

Smart served a purpose as a utility knife player during a rebuild who has regressed with better players around him this season.

One example jumps to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz00F8r5s4c
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: PAOBoston on February 04, 2018, 04:46:22 PM
I don't want to trade Smart for Evans.  Next season, with Hayward we won't need Evans nearly as much and we won't have the cap space to sign him anyway.  So Evans is a rental.  Smart, although also in his last year of his contract, can be signed if we want to and will still be a useful player who can do things for the team that no other player can do.

This isn't so much about who is better, Smart or Evans, there is much more in play than just that. If you think we will just give up on Smart next season, then maybe a couple of months of Evans is better than a couple of months of Smart (I am not even so sure that is the case), but I think it is better to keep Smart so that we at least have the option to sign him after this season.

Go 1/7 for 3 and take game winning shot attempts? j/k I enjoy a good Smart fan ribbing :)

In all seriousness what is it Smart does that other NBA players cant or wont? Maybe 2-3 seasons ago we could all point to hey Smart can cover 1-3 no one else on roster can do that! But we have a handful of guys who can switch 2-4 now AND aren't a negative on the offensive end.

Smart served a purpose as a utility knife player during a rebuild who has regressed with better players around him this season.

One example jumps to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz00F8r5s4c
That's great and all but it's still not worth a multi year $12 mil per contract unfortunately.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Big333223 on February 04, 2018, 05:48:33 PM
I don't want to trade Smart for Evans.  Next season, with Hayward we won't need Evans nearly as much and we won't have the cap space to sign him anyway.  So Evans is a rental.  Smart, although also in his last year of his contract, can be signed if we want to and will still be a useful player who can do things for the team that no other player can do.

This isn't so much about who is better, Smart or Evans, there is much more in play than just that. If you think we will just give up on Smart next season, then maybe a couple of months of Evans is better than a couple of months of Smart (I am not even so sure that is the case), but I think it is better to keep Smart so that we at least have the option to sign him after this season.

Go 1/7 for 3 and take game winning shot attempts? j/k I enjoy a good Smart fan ribbing :)

In all seriousness what is it Smart does that other NBA players cant or wont? Maybe 2-3 seasons ago we could all point to hey Smart can cover 1-3 no one else on roster can do that! But we have a handful of guys who can switch 2-4 now AND aren't a negative on the offensive end.

Smart served a purpose as a utility knife player during a rebuild who has regressed with better players around him this season.

One example jumps to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz00F8r5s4c
That's great and all but it's still not worth a multi year $12 mil per contract unfortunately.

I think bringing that level of effort every night combined with his skills as a defensive player, his playmaking ability, age, and leadership on the court make him worth $12 mil a year.

Probably not more than that, though.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: ChillyWilly on February 04, 2018, 06:54:35 PM
I don't want to trade Smart for Evans.  Next season, with Hayward we won't need Evans nearly as much and we won't have the cap space to sign him anyway.  So Evans is a rental.  Smart, although also in his last year of his contract, can be signed if we want to and will still be a useful player who can do things for the team that no other player can do.

This isn't so much about who is better, Smart or Evans, there is much more in play than just that. If you think we will just give up on Smart next season, then maybe a couple of months of Evans is better than a couple of months of Smart (I am not even so sure that is the case), but I think it is better to keep Smart so that we at least have the option to sign him after this season.

Go 1/7 for 3 and take game winning shot attempts? j/k I enjoy a good Smart fan ribbing :)

In all seriousness what is it Smart does that other NBA players cant or wont? Maybe 2-3 seasons ago we could all point to hey Smart can cover 1-3 no one else on roster can do that! But we have a handful of guys who can switch 2-4 now AND aren't a negative on the offensive end.

Smart served a purpose as a utility knife player during a rebuild who has regressed with better players around him this season.

One example jumps to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz00F8r5s4c

There is his 1 win share this season. Both calls were borderline flops by Smart and lots of refs don't give him those calls because that's something he's got a rep for.
Title: Re: Celtics and Memphis trade idea - Tyreke Evans to Celtics
Post by: Big333223 on February 04, 2018, 07:58:09 PM
I don't want to trade Smart for Evans.  Next season, with Hayward we won't need Evans nearly as much and we won't have the cap space to sign him anyway.  So Evans is a rental.  Smart, although also in his last year of his contract, can be signed if we want to and will still be a useful player who can do things for the team that no other player can do.

This isn't so much about who is better, Smart or Evans, there is much more in play than just that. If you think we will just give up on Smart next season, then maybe a couple of months of Evans is better than a couple of months of Smart (I am not even so sure that is the case), but I think it is better to keep Smart so that we at least have the option to sign him after this season.

Go 1/7 for 3 and take game winning shot attempts? j/k I enjoy a good Smart fan ribbing :)

In all seriousness what is it Smart does that other NBA players cant or wont? Maybe 2-3 seasons ago we could all point to hey Smart can cover 1-3 no one else on roster can do that! But we have a handful of guys who can switch 2-4 now AND aren't a negative on the offensive end.

Smart served a purpose as a utility knife player during a rebuild who has regressed with better players around him this season.

One example jumps to mind. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz00F8r5s4c

There is his 1 win share this season. Both calls were borderline flops by Smart and lots of refs don't give him those calls because that's something he's got a rep for.

Oh my bad. I guess it doesn't count, then.