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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: JBcat on October 15, 2017, 10:43:10 AM
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On the surface it's easy to say to Al Horford, however I think we could see all of these players within a few points of each other. Horford may even be relied upon more as a passer this year with so many scorers on the team.
Here are each candidates last season's PPG.
Al Horford 14 PPG
Marcus Smart 10.6 PPG
Jaylen Brown 6.6. PPG
Jason Tatum N/A
Terry Rozier 5.5 PPG
Marcus Morris 14 PPG
I think we could see a downtick with Horford's scoring maybe to around 13 PPG. Smart has looked like a new player so maybe at least 12 PPG. Brown is taking over Bradley's starting spot so we could see a nice jump maybe to over 10 PPG. Tatum who knows being a rookie but it wouldn't surprise me somewhere around 10 PPG. Rozier has looked awesome in preseason but I don't see where much of the scoring chances are going to come from. Maybe 8 PPG.
I'm going with Morris. If you check his games logs from last year. Since January 1st he's had 10 games at least 20 points (2 others were at 19), and 2 of those games he scored 36 and 37 points. In a better offense with more spacing he might stay at least 14 PPG.
It's going to be interesting. I don't think it's clear cut it will be Horford but he will probably lead this vote.
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Smart, because he will be on floor far more than the other guys (except for Horford), and because he seems to have improved his offensive skills this offseason. Horford is going to rack up assists this season with this new roster.
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Going for longshot, Tatum.
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Going for longshot, Tatum.
yes .....by the end of the season for sure. if not soon.
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I think it'll be Brown in a well-balanced distribution. Something like...
Irving 20 (with 10 assists)
Hayward 18
Brown 16
Smart 14
Horford 12
Tatum 12
Morris 8
Rozier 7
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It'll either be Morris or Smart (if Morris doesn't get enough minutes). Neither will be anywhere close to Kyrie or Hayward, though
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Big Al this season.
Brown or Tatum next season.
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Could be any of Horford, Morris, Brown, or Smart. I'm guessing all four will be in double digits and close to each other around 10-12 points per game.
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Irving 26pts, 7 assists
Hayward 19 pts
Horford 13pts
Smart 13pts
Brown 11pts
Tatum 11 pts
Morris 11pts.
Rozier and Baynes 7pts.
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I think it'll be Brown in a well-balanced distribution. Something like...
Irving 20 (with 10 assists)
Hayward 18
Brown 16
Smart 14
Horford 12
Tatum 12
Morris 8
Rozier 7
if the scoring is that balanced we are in for one hell of a season.
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Smart.
That improved 3 point shot and his improved driving will be worth a lot.
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I think it will be Horford. He is a playing with more willing and capable passers.
IT, AB, Crowder vs Irving, Smart, Hayward,
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Horford. He's much better suited as a 3rd option in the offense, which will not only make him more comfortable but also give him more open looks.
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Horford because he will get more minutes than the others. Don’t overthink this one.
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smart or Rozier. I think horford will facilitate too much.
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Morris or Horford.
With Kyrie being the primary playmaker and ball handler this year, I'm thinking Horford should be depended on less for his own playmaking and should get more opportunities to shoot.
That, plus if Horford's scoring and rebound numbers drop any lower then they already are I will scream, laugh or cry - I haven't decided which yet.
Morris is an option too, as he can be a pretty aggressive offensive player.
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Horford.
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I think it'll be Brown in a well-balanced distribution. Something like...
Irving 20 (with 10 assists)
Hayward 18
Brown 16
Smart 14
Horford 12
Tatum 12
Morris 8
Rozier 7
so Cs are going to average over 107 points a game?
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I think it'll be Brown in a well-balanced distribution. Something like...
Irving 20 (with 10 assists)
Hayward 18
Brown 16
Smart 14
Horford 12
Tatum 12
Morris 8
Rozier 7
so Cs are going to average over 107 points a game?
Last year our players added up to 108, so...
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I think it'll be Brown in a well-balanced distribution. Something like...
Irving 20 (with 10 assists)
Hayward 18
Brown 16
Smart 14
Horford 12
Tatum 12
Morris 8
Rozier 7
so Cs are going to average over 107 points a game?
Last year our players added up to 108, so...
well if 8 players combine to average 107 you still have to add the contribution of the other half of the team. Lets say you toss them 10 point average, you got a 117 per game average.
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It is hard to go past Horford. So I did and said Tatum. There is so much potential with this kid and he has come along so quickly all ready. I doubt Stevens will rush him, as there is no need to, but he can be a go to scorer on the second unit and play minutes with the starters to stretch defences.
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I think it'll be Brown in a well-balanced distribution. Something like...
Irving 20 (with 10 assists)
Hayward 18
Brown 16
Smart 14
Horford 12
Tatum 12
Morris 8
Rozier 7
so Cs are going to average over 107 points a game?
Last year our players added up to 108, so...
well if 8 players combine to average 107 you still have to add the contribution of the other half of the team. Lets say you toss them 10 point average, you got a 117 per game average.
The thing is though that's if all players play 82 games. There will be games missed due to injuries which will lead to increased scoring chances for others.
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Horford, he will score less than he did last year (14.0),
I can't see anyone scoring more, due to Als big minutes and also, he has the ball in his hands.
something like 13,2 PPG, he won't mind, me too.
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Either Brown or Horford
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I think it'll be Brown in a well-balanced distribution. Something like...
Irving 20 (with 10 assists)
Hayward 18
Brown 16
Smart 14
Horford 12
Tatum 12
Morris 8
Rozier 7
so Cs are going to average over 107 points a game?
Last year our players added up to 108, so...
well if 8 players combine to average 107 you still have to add the contribution of the other half of the team. Lets say you toss them 10 point average, you got a 117 per game average.
The thing is though that's if all players play 82 games. There will be games missed due to injuries which will lead to increased scoring chances for others.
Last year:
Celtics points per game: 108
Celtics top 8 rotation guys ppg: 105.8
Celtics full roster ppg: 130
Projecting the top 8 to hit 107 seems incredibly reasonable especially when you consider that Brad has already talked about playing faster this year.
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Any answer other than Horford from your list means we have changed something offensively thats not for the better in all likelihood. The other possibilities include a Horford injury which will knock us down under 40 wins. Point is that we have to establish Horford so our inside out game will work, otherwise Kyrie and Hayward get mostly nothing but contested jumpers from outside.
There is also a possibility of Hayward being our 3rd with Horford 2nd.
I will concede Kyrie as our leading scorer.
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Are we talking PPG or total points?
I'm not sure there will be a difference, but I could totally see Horford as the PPG, but someone else as total points with Horford missing 10+ games (as an example).
That said, I think Smart will be the 3rd leading scorer.
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Any answer other than Horford from your list means we have changed something offensively thats not for the better in all likelihood. The other possibilities include a Horford injury which will knock us down under 40 wins. Point is that we have to establish Horford so our inside out game will work, otherwise Kyrie and Hayward get mostly nothing but contested jumpers from outside.
There is also a possibility of Hayward being our 3rd with Horford 2nd.
I will concede Kyrie as our leading scorer.
Why does big Al not being #3 mean we've chaged something substantially? Last year he edged out Crowder(a pretty mediocre scorer himself) by just .1 ppg.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
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Great question. I have no idea but gun to head I pick Al.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
Lol forgot how much you irrationally hate Gordon Hayward
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
yeah he might be 1st
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Any answer other than Horford from your list means we have changed something offensively thats not for the better in all likelihood. The other possibilities include a Horford injury which will knock us down under 40 wins. Point is that we have to establish Horford so our inside out game will work, otherwise Kyrie and Hayward get mostly nothing but contested jumpers from outside.
There is also a possibility of Hayward being our 3rd with Horford 2nd.
I will concede Kyrie as our leading scorer.
Why does big Al not being #3 mean we've chaged something substantially? Last year he edged out Crowder(a pretty mediocre scorer himself) by just .1 ppg.
I think most would agree that our offense runs most efficiently when run through AL Horford. This puts him in a position to get 15+ shots per game. He will get those shots and make a high percentage of them this year as well. He may even get more because of Hayward presence spreading the floor much better than Crowders.
Is there any indication we are changing our offensive approach away from using Horford as one of the most efficient focal points?
I think Kyrie will get 18-20 shots, Hayward 15-18 and Horford 15-18 shots in our offense. It will take a change in philosophy to get a 4th player more shots per game than a healthy Horford.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
yeah he might be 1st
That's just about as likely as Irving being our third scorer.
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I think Kyrie will get 18-20 shots, Hayward 15-18 and Horford 15-18 shots in our offense. It will take a change in philosophy to get a 4th player more shots per game than a healthy Horford.
Horford averages 11.5 shots for his career. He been averaging less than 13 for the last three seasons. The likelihood that he'll average 15 shots this season is about the same as Brad Stevens suiting up for the backup PG spot.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
I picked Al, because I think he'll be a little more aggressive this year as he'll have more traditional/slower centers on him than he had last year when those defenders were stashed on Amir (at least at the start of games).
Smart or Morris wouldn't surprise me in the least. I also wouldn't be surprised if Tatum winds up being the go-to scorer on the second unit and has a sixth man season a la Ben Gordon '05.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
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I think Kyrie will get 18-20 shots, Hayward 15-18 and Horford 15-18 shots in our offense. It will take a change in philosophy to get a 4th player more shots per game than a healthy Horford.
Horford averages 11.5 shots for his career. He been averaging less than 13 for the last three seasons. The likelihood that he'll average 15 shots this season is about the same as Brad Stevens suiting up for the backup PG spot.
I thought of Stevens as more of a wing player anyway.
Guess we'lll have to wait and see. Good chance IMO that he gets that 15 this year.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
Just to clarify, I think there's no doubt Irving will be our leading scorer. But I see a fairly realistic scenario in which Hayward averages a quiet 17 ppg in a virtual tie with one or two other players. That's perhaps not necessarily likely, but won't be out of the ordinary, I think.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
Just to clarify, I think there's no doubt Irving will be our leading scorer. But I see a fairly realistic scenario in which Hayward averages a quiet 17 ppg in a virtual tie with one or two other players. That's perhaps not necessarily likely, but won't be out of the ordinary, I think.
Yeah, I agree. That's not very likely.
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My gut wanted to go with Smart after seeing how well he was playing in the preseason, but I think Horford's efficiency is the safest bet. He won't blow anyone's mind per usual, but I think another 14 point season is reasonable, with many of our other key players right behind him (i.e., Smart, Morris, Brown, maybe even Tatum).
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I'd like to see it be either Brown or Tatum but I don't see Brown taking many shots because he seems passive at times and I don't see Tatum getting the minutes until late in the year. Hence, my pick Horford.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
yeah he might be 1st
That's just about as likely as Irving being our third scorer.
That's just dumb. The gap between Horford and Hayward is greater than the gap between Kyrie and Hayward.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
Just to clarify, I think there's no doubt Irving will be our leading scorer. But I see a fairly realistic scenario in which Hayward averages a quiet 17 ppg in a virtual tie with one or two other players. That's perhaps not necessarily likely, but won't be out of the ordinary, I think.
No chance. Hayward is a stud and he took a leap of faith to join us AND his former college coach is our head coach. There is no world in which Gordon Hayward doesnt get the ball enough to score at least 18-20 ppg, and there is no world in which anyone besides hayward and irving are averaging more than 18 ppg this season (without injury to one of them).
Hayward COULD average 25 and Irving 22 though. Hayward being our 1st leading scorer is WAYYYY more likely than him being our third leading scorer. You've let the preseason cloud your view.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
Just to clarify, I think there's no doubt Irving will be our leading scorer. But I see a fairly realistic scenario in which Hayward averages a quiet 17 ppg in a virtual tie with one or two other players. That's perhaps not necessarily likely, but won't be out of the ordinary, I think.
No chance. Hayward is a stud and he took a leap of faith to join us AND his former college coach is our head coach. There is no world in which Gordon Hayward doesnt get the ball enough to score at least 18-20 ppg, and there is no world in which anyone besides hayward and irving are averaging more than 18 ppg this season (without injury to one of them).
Hayward COULD average 25 and Irving 22 though. Hayward being our 1st leading scorer is WAYYYY more likely than him being our third leading scorer. You've let the preseason cloud your view.
There absolutely IS a way. From what I've seen from Hayward, he can be pretty happy sitting in a corner and not asserting himself for long stretches. It's just that in Utah it was kind of hard to lose points to Rodney Hood and co.
Hayward may or may not be a stud, but his PPG hovered around 20 on a team that wasn't particularly top-heavy. So I can tell you right now that averaging 25 is not going to happen for him. If preseason is any indication, though, regressing back closer to 16 might.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
Just to clarify, I think there's no doubt Irving will be our leading scorer. But I see a fairly realistic scenario in which Hayward averages a quiet 17 ppg in a virtual tie with one or two other players. That's perhaps not necessarily likely, but won't be out of the ordinary, I think.
No chance. Hayward is a stud and he took a leap of faith to join us AND his former college coach is our head coach. There is no world in which Gordon Hayward doesnt get the ball enough to score at least 18-20 ppg, and there is no world in which anyone besides hayward and irving are averaging more than 18 ppg this season (without injury to one of them).
Hayward COULD average 25 and Irving 22 though. Hayward being our 1st leading scorer is WAYYYY more likely than him being our third leading scorer. You've let the preseason cloud your view.
There absolutely IS a way. From what I've seen from Hayward, he can be pretty happy sitting in a corner and not asserting himself for long stretches. It's just that in Utah it was kind of hard to lose points to Rodney Hood and co.
Hayward may or may not be a stud, but his PPG hovered around 20 on a team that wasn't particularly top-heavy. So I can tell you right now that averaging 25 is not going to happen for him. If preseason is any indication, though, regressing back closer to 16 might.
have to agree. I would expect Hayward's PPG to be 18-19 a night rather than over 20. KI will be the leading scorer by a good 5-7 PPG. that's not to say Hayward won't have nights where he leads the team or has 30+ points.
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Scoring prediction
Irving 27 ppg
Hayward 20 ppg
Horford 12 ppg
Smart 12 ppg
Morris 10 ppg
Brown 9 ppg
Tatum 9 ppg
Rozier 6 ppg
Baynes 4 ppg
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
Just to clarify, I think there's no doubt Irving will be our leading scorer. But I see a fairly realistic scenario in which Hayward averages a quiet 17 ppg in a virtual tie with one or two other players. That's perhaps not necessarily likely, but won't be out of the ordinary, I think.
No chance. Hayward is a stud and he took a leap of faith to join us AND his former college coach is our head coach. There is no world in which Gordon Hayward doesnt get the ball enough to score at least 18-20 ppg, and there is no world in which anyone besides hayward and irving are averaging more than 18 ppg this season (without injury to one of them).
Hayward COULD average 25 and Irving 22 though. Hayward being our 1st leading scorer is WAYYYY more likely than him being our third leading scorer. You've let the preseason cloud your view.
There absolutely IS a way. From what I've seen from Hayward, he can be pretty happy sitting in a corner and not asserting himself for long stretches. It's just that in Utah it was kind of hard to lose points to Rodney Hood and co.
Hayward may or may not be a stud, but his PPG hovered around 20 on a team that wasn't particularly top-heavy. So I can tell you right now that averaging 25 is not going to happen for him. If preseason is any indication, though, regressing back closer to 16 might.
Hayward averaged 21.9 a game last year on the slowest paced team in the league. He did that shooting 15.8 shots a game (1.386 pps). Hill was at 16.9 (on 12.4 shots) and Gobert was at 14 (on just 7.7 shots). Hood has 11.3 shots a game but averaged just 12.7.
Every single season in the league, Hayward was improved both his shots per game and his points per game. EVERY SINGLE SEASON. Obviously at some point both of those will regress, but I'm not sure this is the year as he is now on a team that plays significantly faster paced.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
Just to clarify, I think there's no doubt Irving will be our leading scorer. But I see a fairly realistic scenario in which Hayward averages a quiet 17 ppg in a virtual tie with one or two other players. That's perhaps not necessarily likely, but won't be out of the ordinary, I think.
No chance. Hayward is a stud and he took a leap of faith to join us AND his former college coach is our head coach. There is no world in which Gordon Hayward doesnt get the ball enough to score at least 18-20 ppg, and there is no world in which anyone besides hayward and irving are averaging more than 18 ppg this season (without injury to one of them).
Hayward COULD average 25 and Irving 22 though. Hayward being our 1st leading scorer is WAYYYY more likely than him being our third leading scorer. You've let the preseason cloud your view.
There absolutely IS a way. From what I've seen from Hayward, he can be pretty happy sitting in a corner and not asserting himself for long stretches. It's just that in Utah it was kind of hard to lose points to Rodney Hood and co.
Hayward may or may not be a stud, but his PPG hovered around 20 on a team that wasn't particularly top-heavy. So I can tell you right now that averaging 25 is not going to happen for him. If preseason is any indication, though, regressing back closer to 16 might.
Hayward averaged 21.9 a game last year on the slowest paced team in the league. He did that shooting 15.8 shots a game (1.386 pps). Hill was at 16.9 (on 12.4 shots) and Gobert was at 14 (on just 7.7 shots). Hood has 11.3 shots a game but averaged just 12.7.
Every single season in the league, Hayward was improved both his shots per game and his points per game. EVERY SINGLE SEASON. Obviously at some point both of those will regress, but I'm not sure this is the year as he is now on a team that plays significantly faster paced.
Not sure what to make out of this post , except to point out that outside of Hayward, the two best scorers on that Jazz team were Rodney Hood(!) and George freaking Hill(!!). I'm afraid that people who think Hayward can come to play alongside Irving and Horford and average 25 (or even 20) ppg without skipping a beat are up for a rude awakening -- pace or no pace.
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i wonder if this poll changes any after tonights contest.
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Horford
Irving, hayward, horford then the rest
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i wonder if this poll changes any after tonights contest.
Yes, I will stop back after Hayward scores 11 points on 3-9 shooting :P
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
Just to clarify, I think there's no doubt Irving will be our leading scorer. But I see a fairly realistic scenario in which Hayward averages a quiet 17 ppg in a virtual tie with one or two other players. That's perhaps not necessarily likely, but won't be out of the ordinary, I think.
No chance. Hayward is a stud and he took a leap of faith to join us AND his former college coach is our head coach. There is no world in which Gordon Hayward doesnt get the ball enough to score at least 18-20 ppg, and there is no world in which anyone besides hayward and irving are averaging more than 18 ppg this season (without injury to one of them).
Hayward COULD average 25 and Irving 22 though. Hayward being our 1st leading scorer is WAYYYY more likely than him being our third leading scorer. You've let the preseason cloud your view.
There absolutely IS a way. From what I've seen from Hayward, he can be pretty happy sitting in a corner and not asserting himself for long stretches. It's just that in Utah it was kind of hard to lose points to Rodney Hood and co.
Hayward may or may not be a stud, but his PPG hovered around 20 on a team that wasn't particularly top-heavy. So I can tell you right now that averaging 25 is not going to happen for him. If preseason is any indication, though, regressing back closer to 16 might.
Hayward averaged 21.9 a game last year on the slowest paced team in the league. He did that shooting 15.8 shots a game (1.386 pps). Hill was at 16.9 (on 12.4 shots) and Gobert was at 14 (on just 7.7 shots). Hood has 11.3 shots a game but averaged just 12.7.
Every single season in the league, Hayward was improved both his shots per game and his points per game. EVERY SINGLE SEASON. Obviously at some point both of those will regress, but I'm not sure this is the year as he is now on a team that plays significantly faster paced.
Not sure what to make out of this post , except to poing out that outside of Hayward, the two best scorers on that Jazz team were Rodney Hood(!) and George freaking Hill(!!). I'm afraid that people who think Hayward can come to play alongside Irving and Horford and average 25 (or even 20) ppg without skipping a beat are up for a rude awakening -- pace or no pace.
Bradley had 14.1 shots a game last year. If Hayward got that at a similar percentage as last year, he would score 19.54 ppg. I can't see how Hayward doesn't get at least 14 shots a game on the team with the system. He might not score quite effectively but there is no way he isn't at least second on the team in shots or points.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
I kind of thought it was consensus that Kyrie was going to lead the team in scoring, actually.
You thought I suggested Hayward will score more than Irving? LOL.
Sorry, I read that wrong. My bad.
Just to clarify, I think there's no doubt Irving will be our leading scorer. But I see a fairly realistic scenario in which Hayward averages a quiet 17 ppg in a virtual tie with one or two other players. That's perhaps not necessarily likely, but won't be out of the ordinary, I think.
No chance. Hayward is a stud and he took a leap of faith to join us AND his former college coach is our head coach. There is no world in which Gordon Hayward doesnt get the ball enough to score at least 18-20 ppg, and there is no world in which anyone besides hayward and irving are averaging more than 18 ppg this season (without injury to one of them).
Hayward COULD average 25 and Irving 22 though. Hayward being our 1st leading scorer is WAYYYY more likely than him being our third leading scorer. You've let the preseason cloud your view.
There absolutely IS a way. From what I've seen from Hayward, he can be pretty happy sitting in a corner and not asserting himself for long stretches. It's just that in Utah it was kind of hard to lose points to Rodney Hood and co.
Hayward may or may not be a stud, but his PPG hovered around 20 on a team that wasn't particularly top-heavy. So I can tell you right now that averaging 25 is not going to happen for him. If preseason is any indication, though, regressing back closer to 16 might.
Hayward averaged 21.9 a game last year on the slowest paced team in the league. He did that shooting 15.8 shots a game (1.386 pps). Hill was at 16.9 (on 12.4 shots) and Gobert was at 14 (on just 7.7 shots). Hood has 11.3 shots a game but averaged just 12.7.
Every single season in the league, Hayward was improved both his shots per game and his points per game. EVERY SINGLE SEASON. Obviously at some point both of those will regress, but I'm not sure this is the year as he is now on a team that plays significantly faster paced.
Not sure what to make out of this post , except to poing out that outside of Hayward, the two best scorers on that Jazz team were Rodney Hood(!) and George freaking Hill(!!). I'm afraid that people who think Hayward can come to play alongside Irving and Horford and average 25 (or even 20) ppg without skipping a beat are up for a rude awakening -- pace or no pace.
Bradley had 14.1 shots a game last year. If Hayward got that at a similar percentage as last year, he would score 19.54 ppg. I can't see how Hayward doesn't get at least 14 shots a game on the team with the system. He might not score quite effectively but there is no way he isn't at least second on the team in shots or points.
was just going to mention Bradley.
the Koz Hayward hate has led to Koz heavily implying that Avery Bradley is a superior offensive player.
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Bradley had 14.1 shots a game last year. If Hayward got that at a similar percentage as last year, he would score 19.54 ppg. I can't see how Hayward doesn't get at least 14 shots a game on the team with the system. He might not score quite effectively but there is no way he isn't at least second on the team in shots or points.
Yes, and if he can't replicate his efficiency from last year, and is more like the year before instead, he'll score more like 18.5. And that's purely a mathematical projection assuming he's completely unaffected by playing with Kyrie Irving and his 30% usage rate. So I see 18-19 ppg as a realistic scenario, and 20-25 as something that is probably not happening.
It's also worth pointing out that on a per-36 basis, Hayward averaged 14 pts (on 14.5 shots) in preseason play, and Horford 17. But then again, Smart averaged 20+, so there's that :P
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Bradley had 14.1 shots a game last year. If Hayward got that at a similar percentage as last year, he would score 19.54 ppg. I can't see how Hayward doesn't get at least 14 shots a game on the team with the system. He might not score quite effectively but there is no way he isn't at least second on the team in shots or points.
Yes, and if he can't replicate his efficiency from last year, and is more like the year before instead, he'll score more like 18.5. And that's purely a mathematical projection assuming he's completely unaffected by playing with Kyrie Irving and his 30% usage rate. So I see 18-19 ppg as a realistic scenario, and 20-25 as something that is probably not happening.
It's also worth pointing out that on a per-36 basis, Hayward averaged 14 pts (on 14.5 shots) in preseason play, and Horford 17. But then again, Smart averaged 20+, so there's that :P
So realistically you think someone else is scoring more than 18 or 19 ppg on this Boston team or else Hayward is pretty clearly the 2nd leading scorer. I find it hard to believe you think someone else is averaging that much so you have basically been trolling this entire thread.
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the Koz Hayward hate has led to Koz heavily implying that Avery Bradley is a superior offensive player.
So are you comfortable with the way Hayward has played so far?
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Bradley had 14.1 shots a game last year. If Hayward got that at a similar percentage as last year, he would score 19.54 ppg. I can't see how Hayward doesn't get at least 14 shots a game on the team with the system. He might not score quite effectively but there is no way he isn't at least second on the team in shots or points.
Yes, and if he can't replicate his efficiency from last year, and is more like the year before instead, he'll score more like 18.5. And that's purely a mathematical projection assuming he's completely unaffected by playing with Kyrie Irving and his 30% usage rate. So I see 18-19 ppg as a realistic scenario, and 20-25 as something that is probably not happening.
It's also worth pointing out that on a per-36 basis, Hayward averaged 14 pts (on 14.5 shots) in preseason play, and Horford 17. But then again, Smart averaged 20+, so there's that :P
So realistically you think someone else is scoring more than 18 or 19 ppg on this Boston team or else Hayward is pretty clearly the 2nd leading scorer. I find it hard to believe you think someone else is averaging that much so you have basically been trolling this entire thread.
All I said is that Hayward is not a given. I can easily see both Hayward and Horford scoring 16 apiece. Is it the most likely outcome? Probably not. But is it a long shot? Absolutely not.
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the Koz Hayward hate has led to Koz heavily implying that Avery Bradley is a superior offensive player.
So are you comfortable with the way Hayward has played so far?
0 games into the season?
absolutely.
are you comfortable saying Avery Bradley is better as a scorer?
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the Koz Hayward hate has led to Koz heavily implying that Avery Bradley is a superior offensive player.
So are you comfortable with the way Hayward has played so far?
0 games into the season?
absolutely.
are you comfortable saying Avery Bradley is better as a scorer?
You're welcome to put zero stock into preseason games, but they do count for something.
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the Koz Hayward hate has led to Koz heavily implying that Avery Bradley is a superior offensive player.
So are you comfortable with the way Hayward has played so far?
0 games into the season?
absolutely.
are you comfortable saying Avery Bradley is better as a scorer?
You're welcome to put zero stock into preseason games, but they do count for something.
How much do they count for? 1 month ago, putting Hayward over Bradley as a scorer was an absurd thing to do.
I happen to believe it is still absurd.
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the Koz Hayward hate has led to Koz heavily implying that Avery Bradley is a superior offensive player.
So are you comfortable with the way Hayward has played so far?
0 games into the season?
absolutely.
are you comfortable saying Avery Bradley is better as a scorer?
You're welcome to put zero stock into preseason games, but they do count for something.
How much do they count for? 1 month ago, putting Hayward over Bradley as a scorer was an absurd thing to do.
I happen to believe it is still absurd.
I've got no idea what you're talking about, really.
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I'm going with Smart because he's a flat out gunner! This guy should be the fourth or fifth option on the team but don't tell him that! He jacks up a shot anytime he can, the kid has no qualms about it! We can only pray he shoots better, hence why he was not given an extension.
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the Koz Hayward hate has led to Koz heavily implying that Avery Bradley is a superior offensive player.
So are you comfortable with the way Hayward has played so far?
0 games into the season?
absolutely.
are you comfortable saying Avery Bradley is better as a scorer?
You're welcome to put zero stock into preseason games, but they do count for something.
How much do they count for? 1 month ago, putting Hayward over Bradley as a scorer was an absurd thing to do.
I happen to believe it is still absurd.
I've got no idea what you're talking about, really.
Do you believe Avery Bradley is a greater scorer than Gordon Hayward?
thats the crux of the argument.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
LOOK WHAT YOU DID
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I'm going with Smart because he's a flat out gunner! This guy should be the fourth or fifth option on the team but don't tell him that! He jacks up a shot anytime he can, the kid has no qualms about it! We can only pray he shoots better, hence why he was not given an extension.
True to form he went 0-4 from three point range last night. :)
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I've still got Horford as our 3rd scorer. With Hayward out, I think both Brown and Tatum get more looks and one of them winds up the 2nd leading scorer.
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New question: Who is going to be this team's second leading scorer?
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New question: Who is going to be this team's second leading scorer?
One of the two kids. Brown or Tatum. Obviously, after last night, I'd have to put Brown ahead but Tatum seems more prone to get his no matter what.
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New question: Who is going to be this team's second leading scorer?
Brown doesn't seem to have any problem letting it fly (23 shots last night!) so I am going to go with him. If he can do it on decent efficiency, I will be ecstatic.
I said it earlier, but I would like to see Horford get more than 7 shots; that's not going to work unless he seriously just doesn't care (which would also be bad).
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Brown seems to benefit a lot from pace and ball movement. Get him out running the open floor with Kyrie for easy baskets early, increasing his confidence and flow in the game, then swing it to him in the halfcourt for corner 3s. I'm higher on him that I thought I'd be by this time.
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Looks like Brown could be our second leading scorer.
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I don't think it's a given that Gordon Hayward will be this team's second leading scorer.
LOOK WHAT YOU DID
Is it too late to argue that LeBron will be our second leading scorer? :P
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Looks like Brown could be our second leading scorer.
2 straight games as the team's #1 scorer, though. Not bad.
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With Hayward out and seeing how everyone's adjusting in the 2 games so far, I think it'll end up Brown as second scorer with Tatum getting the 3rd slot as he develops this season. Horford and Smart look to be 4 and 5 in some order but I wouldn't rule out Rozier climbing that high with his improved play. not sure how Morris will work himself into this.