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Around the League => Around the NBA => Topic started by: CelticsElite on September 24, 2017, 10:09:19 PM
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The Bulls and Dwyane Wade have reached agreement on a buyout, per sources.
Woj: Cleveland, san antonio, Miami are leading teams for wade. Okc could be in play
Any ideas where he's going? Imagine he goes to okc. also I think lebron could be begging him to come after losing irving too
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You should add a poll to see where many people think he will end up.
My guess? Cleveland.
OKC is an intriguing option too especially with his friend, Melo there, but I think Wade is more willing to play in an easier conference now than the battlefield that is the West.
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You should add a poll to see where many people think he will end up.
My guess? Cleveland.
OKC is an intriguing option too especially with his friend, Melo there, but I think Wade is more willing to play in an easier conference now than the battlefield that is the West.
poll added with wildcard Celtics thrown in for fun lol
We do have a roster spot
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It would be funny if he joins the Celtics. But his ego could really hurt the locker room next season as he already did with the Bulls.
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china i hope
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If he goes to the cavs, the cavs-celtics season opener is going to break viewership records.
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You should add a poll to see where many people think he will end up.
My guess? Cleveland.
OKC is an intriguing option too especially with his friend, Melo there, but I think Wade is more willing to play in an easier conference now than the battlefield that is the West.
poll added with wildcard Celtics thrown in for fun lol
We do have a roster spot
LOL if Wade goes to Boston...
The season opener will be Lebron vs (Wade And Kyrie) HAHAHA
I mean without their help Lebron isn't winning any Finals... :P
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It'd be cool if Wade joined Boston to spite LeBron for bailing on the team, but he just doesn't fit. Would the cavs be able to give anything over the vet min? I suppose it wouldn't matter if he's still getting paid from the Bulls though...
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i'd be shocked if its not cleveland.
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OKC or Cleveland
or he could pull a hypocrite move and join GSW for the vet min
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Cavs or OKC, with Cleveland in the lead.
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OKC or Cleveland
or he could pull a hypocrite move and join GSW for the vet min
It would be very funny if he joined The Warriors... It'd be a big middle finger to LeBron! I don't think wade has much left... He looked cooked in last years playoffs!
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It would be funny if he joins the Celtics. But his ego could really hurt the locker room next season as he already did with the Bulls.
I've never had an issue with Wade's ego. I don't feel his ego is nearly as bad as half the big name stars out there, and at least Wade has the portfolio to back it up:
* 3x NBA Champion
* 12x All-Star
* 2x All-Defensive 2nd team
* Career averages of 23 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1.6 steals, 0.9 blocks
We're talking about a surefire Hall of Famer, and unlike some greats (e.g. Lebron) nobody can every question Dwyane Wade's competiveness - he plays HARD every night and played with the same type of edge as Kobe and MJ. Wade played with two of the greatest players ever to play the game (Lebron and Shaq) and in both cases it was Wade who was the leader of those teams.
The only thing I don't like about wade is that he is sometimes bordering on TOO competitive - I do consider him a dirty player, and IMHO he will do whatever it takes to win, even his actions have a very high risk of causing injury to another player.
But as a veteran leader and competitor I'd love to have Wade on this team - I think adding him at the SG spot could (which is probably our weakest spot right now) puts us on par with the Cavs, maybe even above them. He's not the scorer or player he once was, but he can still fill it up on occasion and would be a perfect 3rd scorer for our team given that every other guy on our starting unit (Kyrie, Hayward, Morris, Horford) has the ability to stretch the floor - making Wade's lack of outside shooting a non factor.
I think he'd fit nicely in Brad's system too. Wade is a skilled passer with excellent basketball IQ who can play and guard three positions (1 through 3). He can score, defend (in stretches), rebound, pass, handle the ball - and he brings championship experience.
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We kind of have a hole at the 2 that wade would fill nicely. My question with wade is if he can play many minutes but with brown/smart able to back him up, I have no issues
Imagine brown, wade and Irving in transition. Wade is a lot more useful than Andrew bogut or Thomas robinson. We're probably not in the running for wade but its an interesting thought
I guess at the end of the day, smart gives us what old man wade gives nowadays . Tough D and a Shot here and there
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I bet he goes to the Thunder.
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Wade was not the leader of the LeBron Miami teams, Lebron was.
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Looks like he's deciding tomorrow afternoon or evening
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I think he would be a good pick up for the C's. He probably won't sign here but can still score and give a boost to our second unit when they struggle. Kind of like what Green did last year but in a bigger way. However, My guess is he is Cleveland bound to give back to Lebron for his years in Miami and go for one more title chance.
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We better not even be on his list. Screw him.
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I would be surprised if it isn't Cleveland. I'd welcome him to the C's though!
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I would be surprised if it isn't Cleveland. I'd welcome him to the C's though!
I'd be surprised if it was Cleveland to be honest. Wade is a prideful man, as he showed when he left for Chicago. I think he might choose to go West and compete against Lebron
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I bet he goes to the Thunder.
I think they make a lot of sense as a dark horse.
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I hope Cleveland. He would make them worse.
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I think wherever he goes, he's a bench player now. He can still score but can't get up and down the court on defense like he used to and doesn't show much interest in trying.
At best, he's Paul Pierce in his Nets year. In just the right situation, a starter but one who plays under 30 mpg.
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It's gotta be between the Thunder and the Cavs and currently I have the Thunder in the lead.
With the momentum of the Melo deal it would be a huge splash to add Wade there as well. Russ/Wade/PG/Melo/Adams is a legit lineup that can put up a [dang] good fight against GSW.
However, with the Lebron ties the Cavs make just as much sense.
I also would not mind in the least to see him wear Celtics green this year despite that being a huge longshot.
Kyrie/Rozier
Wade/Smart
Hayward/Brown
Morris/Tatum
Horford/Baynes
I could easily get behind that lineup.
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I would be surprised if it isn't Cleveland. I'd welcome him to the C's though!
I'd be surprised if it was Cleveland to be honest. Wade is a prideful man, as he showed when he left for Chicago. I think he might choose to go West and compete against Lebron
He's got a much better shot of making the finals if he goes to the Cavs and he'll have a large role especially with IT out. I'd be surprised if he does anything else.
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It would be funny if he joins the Celtics. But his ego could really hurt the locker room next season as he already did with the Bulls.
I've never had an issue with Wade's ego. I don't feel his ego is nearly as bad as half the big name stars out there, and at least Wade has the portfolio to back it up:
* 3x NBA Champion
* 12x All-Star
* 2x All-Defensive 2nd team
* Career averages of 23 points, 6 assists, 5 rebounds, 1.6 steals, 0.9 blocks
This is the exact thing that bloat his ego. He have won 3 rings already so he doesn't give a dang anymore. He displayed such a nonchalant attitude already with the Bulls and what's funny is the young guys on that Bulls team sided with Rondo instead because Rajon actually took care of them while Dwade was throwing them under the bus along with Jimmy.
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I think wherever he goes, he's a bench player now. He can still score but can't get up and down the court on defense like he used to and doesn't show much interest in trying.
At best, he's Paul Pierce in his Nets year. In just the right situation, a starter but one who plays under 30 mpg.
an insider (woj I think) said the cavs have promised wade a starting role
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When people looked at player comps. for Jaylen before, a lot said his ceiling is Jimmy Butler, but some also said he can be an elite two-way wing player like D. Wade
Don't think he even considers coming here but his leadership and experience could definitely help a lot of our young guys.
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I think wherever he goes, he's a bench player now. He can still score but can't get up and down the court on defense like he used to and doesn't show much interest in trying.
At best, he's Paul Pierce in his Nets year. In just the right situation, a starter but one who plays under 30 mpg.
an insider (woj I think) said the cavs have promised wade a starting role
They better score 140 per night, because a starting lineup that includes Wade, Love and IT (or Rose) is going to be rough defensively.
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When people looked at player comps. for Jaylen before, a lot said his ceiling is Jimmy Butler, but some also said he can be an elite two-way wing player like D. Wade
Don't think he even considers coming here but his leadership and experience could definitely help a lot of our young guys.
Hard pass, all he does for us right now is take minutes away from guys like Jaylen Brown. Nope, no thanks.
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I can't see him choosing Boston when the money is same or less than other teams, however signing him would improve Boston's bench a great deal (by putting both Brown and Smart on it) and it would keep Wade away from the Cavs, which would be an added bonus.
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I would not rule out Boston. We need a veteran wing to start at SG. We would be better to let Smart and Brown come off the bench. At age 35, I am not sure what he has left. Last season he averaged about 18 p/gm on about 30 min/gm, albeit at pretty low efficiency.
I am going to vote OKC. Westbrook-Wade-George-Anthony-Adams. That is probably his best shot. Cleveland is a risk due to IT's injury and I am not sure why he would want back in on Lebron and all that comes with that.
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... I am not sure why he would want back in on Lebron and all that comes with that.
I think he likes Lebron. They vacation together. He probably wouldn't mind being in the Finals again, either.
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It's tough to predict because usually you'd expect ring-chasing, but Wade doesn't need to do that and chose the $ in signing his Bulls deal. But the only real non-contender destination that makes sense is going back to Miami, which feels kinda pointless if he plans to play beyond this year.
I think OKC is the "exciting" destination but Cleveland's the most likely, they need an SG and LeBron already went to Wade's team.
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I think people are fooling themselves if they think Wade is coming to Boston. Its Cleveland if he wants to be back in the Finals. IT, Wade, Lebron, Love and Thomas with all those vets coming off the bench has to appeal to him. Especially being with one of his best friends in the world in Lebron.
Only other team I could see him joining would by Miami, for a last year or so before retirement.
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At the end of the day I see him going back to Miami. At this stage in his career and his life, I think he will weigh his personal life and living location more than anything else
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It will be interesting to see where he goes, what kind of role he has, and how effective he is this season.
I would be happy if he chose Boston, but I can't imagine they are even on his radar. It's probably between CLE, OKC, and MIA. No idea who is the front runner.
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OKC or Cleveland
or he could pull a hypocrite move and join GSW for the vet min
It would be very funny if he joined The Warriors... It'd be a big middle finger to LeBron! I don't think wade has much left... He looked cooked in last years playoffs!
Did he? I thought he had some good games early on in the playoffs... like 2 of the first 3? Am I making that up? Or do you mean from that point forward he looked cooked?
It would be weird having DWade on the Celtics, I always thought he was a dirty player with a rigged finals MVP (not his fault but I don't like him so I'm putting it out there).
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I think the Clippers would be a good team for him.
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It will be interesting to see where he goes, what kind of role he has, and how effective he is this season.
I would be happy if he chose Boston, but I can't imagine they are even on his radar. It's probably between CLE, OKC, and MIA. No idea who is the front runner.
Woj said SAS is in the mix too, but yeah Boston doesn't seem to be an option at all. Which is probably fine after the defense he played in the playoffs.
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I would imagine any interest from Boston in Wade, has to start with input from their big three, especially Kyrie. As interesting as it would be, I don't want him on the Celtics, as I believe he could easily have a negative impact on the younger players.
BTW, I can't believe the Bulls caved and bought him out. Wade opted into that second year deal and was immediately asking for a buyout. The Bulls should have told his agent that if he opted into the second year, then there would be no buyout.
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Hard pass. He threw his teammates under a bus, plus his defense sucks now.p
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
I fail to see how lebron has no chance to go to okc. All these guys are free agents next season and can each take a paycut to fit lebron In
Westbrook/wade/george/Melo/lebron
That could be the starting lineup lol
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
I fail to see how lebron has no chance to go to okc. All these guys are free agents next season and can each take a paycut to fit lebron In
Westbrook/wade/george/Melo/lebron
That could be the starting lineup lol
Because Lebron isn't going to OKC when they can just go to him.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
I fail to see how lebron has no chance to go to okc. All these guys are free agents next season and can each take a paycut to fit lebron In
Westbrook/wade/george/Melo/lebron
That could be the starting lineup lol
Because Lebron isn't going to OKC when they can just go to him.
I thought Carmelo's deal goes through 2018-19. If so, he doesn't have the ability to just "go to Lebron" in Cleveland. Wade, Paul, and Lebron will have the freedom to go to OKC though.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
I fail to see how lebron has no chance to go to okc. All these guys are free agents next season and can each take a paycut to fit lebron In
Westbrook/wade/george/Melo/lebron
That could be the starting lineup lol
Because Lebron isn't going to OKC when they can just go to him.
I thought Carmelo's deal goes through 2018-19. If so, he doesn't have the ability to just "go to Lebron" in Cleveland. Wade, Paul, and Lebron will have the freedom to go to OKC though.
Carmelo has a player option for 28M. So he can opt out and become a free agent.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Why do you assume that James would only go there for the max? If he's friends with all of these guys I see all four (if they can) taking the same amount. Figure out what salary will be needed for complimentary pieces, and whatever is left (let's say it's $50M) they divide it by four ($12.5M each).
James makes enough money with his other businesses. He doesn't need to max out his NBA salary any more if his #1 desire is to just play with his buds.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Why do you assume that James would only go there for the max? If he's friends with all of these guys I see all four (if they can) taking the same amount. Figure out what salary will be needed for complimentary pieces, and whatever is left (let's say it's $50M) they divide it by four ($12.5M each).
James makes enough money with his other businesses. He doesn't need to max out his NBA salary any more if his #1 desire is to just play with his buds.
James has always made enough money to not take the max and the one time in his career he did that he watched ownership cheap out and let useful role players go over a couple of million dollars. OKC's ownership has already proved they are cheap and won't spend money. James will not do that again.
James will not sign in OKC next summer. It will not happen. It is pointless to talk about.
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OKC or Cleveland
or he could pull a hypocrite move and join GSW for the vet min
It would be very funny if he joined The Warriors... It'd be a big middle finger to LeBron! I don't think wade has much left... He looked cooked in last years playoffs!
Did he? I thought he had some good games early on in the playoffs... like 2 of the first 3? Am I making that up? Or do you mean from that point forward he looked cooked?
It would be weird having DWade on the Celtics, I always thought he was a dirty player with a rigged finals MVP (not his fault but I don't like him so I'm putting it out there).
Yeah, he had three solid games against us:
Game 2: 22 PTS, 4 REB, 2 AST, 1 BLK, 9-16 FG
Game 3: 18 PTS, 1 REB, 3 AST, 1 STL, 1 BLK, 6-18 FG
Game 5: 26 PTS, 11 REB, 8 AST, 1 BLK, 7-18 FG
That said he also had 3 very mediocre game against us (11 pots, 11 pts, 2 pts - respectively).
He actually had a pretty strong regular season, putting up 18.3 PTS, 4.5 REB and 3.8 AST and 1.4 STL in only 29.9 MPG.
Remember we're talking about a 35 year old guard here - it's hard to complain about that type of production from him I think, all things considered. If he is your 3rd or 4th option and you can get if he is your 3rd or 4th option and can give you (worst case) a strong scoring night every 2nd game, then that's a nice player to have.
Personally, I think he would be best served playing on a team that has a lot of outside shooters - since his three point shot is a bit of a liability, I think he'd be a terrible fit on a team like Cleveland (that will also be starting Rose, Lebron and Tristan Thompson until IT comes back) - the lack of court spacing alone could completely destroy Clevleand, and he's not helping their already so-so defence either.
He'd be a strong fit in OKC - they already have two very capable defensive wings in Westbrook and George who can both shoot from outside, so having Wade in their could be massive for them - I honestly believe this would put OKC above Golden State in my eyes.
He could also work in San Antonio very nicely. They already have two extremely versatile two-way wings in Rudy-Gay and Kawhi Leonard, as well as two big men who are both quality jump shooters (Gasol and Aldridge) so there's plenty of shooting there. Wade could potentially play the PG spot there (with Rudy and Kawhi at SG/SF) or they could put Wade at SG (with Rudy at PF and Kawhi at SF), or they could do any varierty of potential lineups really.
I also still think he'd be a very strong fit in Boston, as we lost our best slasher (Isaiah) and arguably our two toughest competitors (Isaiah and Crowder) - I think Wade could fill that niche nicely on a vet min deal for us, and I think our young prospects could learn a lot from him as a veteran leader.
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I could see okc in play
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I doubt Wade comes here, folks. I think CLE, MIA and OKC will be bigger draws for him. LA also.
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I don't understand why the Bulls bought him out, they had all of the leverage. For a team as bad as the Bulls, Wade actually sells tickets for them b/c he's an entertaining draw. And what would happen if the Bulls said "no, we don't want to buy you out"? Wade has only a few decent years left, he won't want to toil away or sit out with injury in protest all season... he'd probably accept a much lower buyout. These teams stink at negotiating..
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I don't understand why the Bulls bought him out, they had all of the leverage. For a team as bad as the Bulls, Wade actually sells tickets for them b/c he's an entertaining draw. And what would happen if the Bulls said "no, we don't want to buy you out"? Wade has only a few decent years left, he won't want to toil away or sit out with injury in protest all season... he'd probably accept a much lower buyout. These teams stink at negotiating..
Have the terms of the buy out been reported? I have not seen it. How do you know that it wasn't a fair buyout? I agree that Wade wanted out and that the Bulls did have some leverage but I don't think there is enough information to say that the Bulls made a bad deal.
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I don't understand why the Bulls bought him out, they had all of the leverage. For a team as bad as the Bulls, Wade actually sells tickets for them b/c he's an entertaining draw. And what would happen if the Bulls said "no, we don't want to buy you out"? Wade has only a few decent years left, he won't want to toil away or sit out with injury in protest all season... he'd probably accept a much lower buyout. These teams stink at negotiating..
Have the terms of the buy out been reported? I have not seen it. How do you know that it wasn't a fair buyout? I agree that Wade wanted out and that the Bulls did have some leverage but I don't think there is enough information to say that the Bulls made a bad deal.
I believe Woj reported Wade gave up about $8 million, a bit more than a third of his salary.
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I don't understand why the Bulls bought him out, they had all of the leverage. For a team as bad as the Bulls, Wade actually sells tickets for them b/c he's an entertaining draw. And what would happen if the Bulls said "no, we don't want to buy you out"? Wade has only a few decent years left, he won't want to toil away or sit out with injury in protest all season... he'd probably accept a much lower buyout. These teams stink at negotiating..
Have the terms of the buy out been reported? I have not seen it. How do you know that it wasn't a fair buyout? I agree that Wade wanted out and that the Bulls did have some leverage but I don't think there is enough information to say that the Bulls made a bad deal.
I believe Woj reported Wade gave up about $8 million, a bit more than a third of his salary.
yep and Wade isn't going to make that up in this contract (at least with the teams he is reportedly talking to). The Bulls are also below the salary floor so they would be paying money to someone anyway
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Why do you assume that James would only go there for the max? If he's friends with all of these guys I see all four (if they can) taking the same amount. Figure out what salary will be needed for complimentary pieces, and whatever is left (let's say it's $50M) they divide it by four ($12.5M each).
James makes enough money with his other businesses. He doesn't need to max out his NBA salary any more if his #1 desire is to just play with his buds.
People love to say stuff like this but it doesn't happen much. Players only take small pay cuts. There's are reasons for it but the big ones:
1) Why should players take pay cuts? They should not at all. The owners don't and no one else does, but then the players get it put on them, when in reality many are underpaid. I have seen a lot of analysis on this stuff and LeBron, for what he actually does for you team, is worth like 80 mill a year.
2) There is a Players Union and things with salary are connected to that. If the best player in the league starts taking a pay cut to do this and that, you are hurting the entire union. What legs do journeyman type players have left to stand on if that is going on at the top?
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I would love him on Boston with the belief that he doesn't have to play a lot during the regular season. Save his minutes for the playoffs. He has veteran know how. He can hit a game winner.
Of course it is too much of a long shot for it to actually happen.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Why do you assume that James would only go there for the max? If he's friends with all of these guys I see all four (if they can) taking the same amount. Figure out what salary will be needed for complimentary pieces, and whatever is left (let's say it's $50M) they divide it by four ($12.5M each).
James makes enough money with his other businesses. He doesn't need to max out his NBA salary any more if his #1 desire is to just play with his buds.
People love to say stuff like this but it doesn't happen much. Players only take small pay cuts. There's are reasons for it but the big ones:
1) Why should players take pay cuts? They should not at all. The owners don't and no one else does, but then the players get it put on them, when in reality many are underpaid. I have seen a lot of analysis on this stuff and LeBron, for what he actually does for you team, is worth like 80 mill a year.
2) There is a Players Union and things with salary are connected to that. If the best player in the league starts taking a pay cut to do this and that, you are hurting the entire union. What legs do journeyman type players have left to stand on if that is going on at the top?
Top players more willing to get pay cuts and it is not that rare.
Look at Cle ,Mia, GS.... Dirk signed at a discount to help the team.....
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I don't understand why the Bulls bought him out, they had all of the leverage. For a team as bad as the Bulls, Wade actually sells tickets for them b/c he's an entertaining draw. And what would happen if the Bulls said "no, we don't want to buy you out"? Wade has only a few decent years left, he won't want to toil away or sit out with injury in protest all season... he'd probably accept a much lower buyout. These teams stink at negotiating..
Have the terms of the buy out been reported? I have not seen it. How do you know that it wasn't a fair buyout? I agree that Wade wanted out and that the Bulls did have some leverage but I don't think there is enough information to say that the Bulls made a bad deal.
I believe Woj reported Wade gave up about $8 million, a bit more than a third of his salary.
That seems reasonable. No, Wade won't make that up but I don't think he is sweating a few million here or there over being an unrestricted FA. $8M is enough to make it worthwhile for the Bulls to do this while not setting a precedence that the Players Association be unhappy about.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Why do you assume that James would only go there for the max? If he's friends with all of these guys I see all four (if they can) taking the same amount. Figure out what salary will be needed for complimentary pieces, and whatever is left (let's say it's $50M) they divide it by four ($12.5M each).
James makes enough money with his other businesses. He doesn't need to max out his NBA salary any more if his #1 desire is to just play with his buds.
People love to say stuff like this but it doesn't happen much. Players only take small pay cuts. There's are reasons for it but the big ones:
1) Why should players take pay cuts? They should not at all. The owners don't and no one else does, but then the players get it put on them, when in reality many are underpaid. I have seen a lot of analysis on this stuff and LeBron, for what he actually does for you team, is worth like 80 mill a year.
2) There is a Players Union and things with salary are connected to that. If the best player in the league starts taking a pay cut to do this and that, you are hurting the entire union. What legs do journeyman type players have left to stand on if that is going on at the top?
Top players more willing to get pay cuts and it is not that rare.
Look at Cle ,Mia, GS.... Dirk signed at a discount to help the team.....
Small pay cuts happen. Dirk taking discounts at the end of his career to finish in Dallas is not the same thing as a guy that can sign for a max contract still in his prime.
What isn't going to happen is both James and Anthony opting out of massive contracts to sign for 1/3 or less of the contract price they just opted out of, especially if said players aren't even swapping teams (like Anthony in that scenario).
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I don't understand why the Bulls bought him out, they had all of the leverage. For a team as bad as the Bulls, Wade actually sells tickets for them b/c he's an entertaining draw. And what would happen if the Bulls said "no, we don't want to buy you out"? Wade has only a few decent years left, he won't want to toil away or sit out with injury in protest all season... he'd probably accept a much lower buyout. These teams stink at negotiating..
Have the terms of the buy out been reported? I have not seen it. How do you know that it wasn't a fair buyout? I agree that Wade wanted out and that the Bulls did have some leverage but I don't think there is enough information to say that the Bulls made a bad deal.
I believe Woj reported Wade gave up about $8 million, a bit more than a third of his salary.
That seems reasonable. No, Wade won't make that up but I don't think he is sweating a few million here or there over being an unrestricted FA. $8M is enough to make it worthwhile for the Bulls to do this while not setting a precedence that the Players Association be unhappy about.
It's kind of reasonable, but I still think the Bulls had all of the leverage. Wade will get $8M from most teams, but if he's looking at contender's only then he'll probably get less.
So basically on one side of the balance sheet Wade gets to play wherever he wants for around the same of what he was going to earn. On the other side of the balance sheet Chicago is paying $15M for no return. If I'm the Bulls, I hold the line that he'll play for my organization (and help draw attendance, which would pay for his $23M salary) b/c that forces Wade to accept way less. I highly doubt Wade would want to waste his last remaining years playing in an unhappy situation, so he'd be forced to accept to play there or accept less (i.e. $10M total, giving up $13M)
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Chicago buying out Wade is a tanking move.
I doubt Wade signs with any of the teams that have cap space or the MLE left. I think he takes a vet minimum in Cleveland, OKC, or Miami.
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It would be awesome if somehow the Nets sign him. He is friends with Lebron and Lebron hates Gilbert, so you never know
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Lol your answer is pretty similar to a dad saying "because I am your father and told you so." Carmelo Anythiny made them one of 3 teams in the entire NBA he would play for. That shows it was pretty appealing for him. You don't have any idea what Lebron would do or what moves a brilliant owner like Presti could do to clear cap room. You are just stomping your feet cause it would lower the value of all your Lebron fat heads and posters.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Lol your answer is pretty similar to a dad saying "because I am your father and told you so." Carmelo Anythiny made them one of 3 teams in the entire NBA he would play for. That shows it was pretty appealing for him. You don't have any idea what Lebron would do or what moves a brilliant owner like Presti could do to clear cap room. You are just stomping your feet cause it would lower the value of all your Lebron fat heads and posters.
It was appealing for Anthony to play with George and Westbrook. Just like it was appealing to play with James or Harden and Paul. Anthony wanted to play with "friends" on a team that could contend. There weren't very many options available that fit that description. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Anthony opt in to that contract and stay in OKC if Russ or PG stays there, but that is no where near the same thing as James going there. James won't go to OKC. It financially doesn't make sense and it basketball wise doesn't make sense.
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I don't understand why the Bulls bought him out, they had all of the leverage. For a team as bad as the Bulls, Wade actually sells tickets for them b/c he's an entertaining draw. And what would happen if the Bulls said "no, we don't want to buy you out"? Wade has only a few decent years left, he won't want to toil away or sit out with injury in protest all season... he'd probably accept a much lower buyout. These teams stink at negotiating..
Have the terms of the buy out been reported? I have not seen it. How do you know that it wasn't a fair buyout? I agree that Wade wanted out and that the Bulls did have some leverage but I don't think there is enough information to say that the Bulls made a bad deal.
I believe Woj reported Wade gave up about $8 million, a bit more than a third of his salary.
That seems reasonable. No, Wade won't make that up but I don't think he is sweating a few million here or there over being an unrestricted FA. $8M is enough to make it worthwhile for the Bulls to do this while not setting a precedence that the Players Association be unhappy about.
It's kind of reasonable, but I still think the Bulls had all of the leverage. Wade will get $8M from most teams, but if he's looking at contender's only then he'll probably get less.
So basically on one side of the balance sheet Wade gets to play wherever he wants for around the same of what he was going to earn. On the other side of the balance sheet Chicago is paying $15M for no return. If I'm the Bulls, I hold the line that he'll play for my organization (and help draw attendance, which would pay for his $23M salary) b/c that forces Wade to accept way less. I highly doubt Wade would want to waste his last remaining years playing in an unhappy situation, so he'd be forced to accept to play there or accept less (i.e. $10M total, giving up $13M)
I think the factor people underrate in these situations is the agents. Chicago will almost certainly never negotiate with Dwyane Wade again, but there's a very good chance they'll be negotiating with his agent, or the agency he works for, again. Play hardball with Wade when you've got the leverage and get played harder when they've got it, which happens more often. Not a great long-term model for helping your franchise succeed.
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Woj announces Wade close to committing to Cleveland. Shocker.
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I think the factor people underrate in these situations is the agents. Chicago will almost certainly never negotiate with Dwyane Wade again, but there's a very good chance they'll be negotiating with his agent, or the agency he works for, again. Play hardball with Wade when you've got the leverage and get played harder when they've got it, which happens more often. Not a great long-term model for helping your franchise succeed.
Agreed. It's not even just an agent thing though. The players are kind of a unit, especially these days. They all play ball together in the offseason, play on Olympic teams, spend time on the road. They have a union of course.
Players see how an organization treats players that go there and that matters.
It's a bit different of an example, but I think the Celtics have a great rep right now, but that's because I think clearly Stevens makes the most of basically anyone who has played for him. The players also go on to make money elsewhere even. So I think that has helped the Celtics because players are smart and see these things.
It's their job after all. Think about how anyone else would check out employers.
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Woj announces Wade close to committing to Cleveland. Shocker.
Yeah not, but it's interesting to think about that team. I think Wade is underrated by some people. Dude can still play.
I think Wade and LeBron can hold the ship ball handling for sure until IT comes back too. With IT that is extremely dangerous to have to cover those three guys.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Lol your answer is pretty similar to a dad saying "because I am your father and told you so." Carmelo Anythiny made them one of 3 teams in the entire NBA he would play for. That shows it was pretty appealing for him. You don't have any idea what Lebron would do or what moves a brilliant owner like Presti could do to clear cap room. You are just stomping your feet cause it would lower the value of all your Lebron fat heads and posters.
It was appealing for Anthony to play with George and Westbrook. Just like it was appealing to play with James or Harden and Paul. Anthony wanted to play with "friends" on a team that could contend. There weren't very many options available that fit that description. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Anthony opt in to that contract and stay in OKC if Russ or PG stays there, but that is no where near the same thing as James going there. James won't go to OKC. It financially doesn't make sense and it basketball wise doesn't make sense.
Enlighten me why him playing alongside Westbrook, Anthony and George wouldn't make "basketball sense." You have literally argued this summer how good a fit George and Anthony would be playing next to James in Cleveland (when it seemed they could end up there). Now playing with them in OKC would be a bad fit? Do they use a smaller ball there or something? You really do crack me up on me. What others passions do you have that you get this ridiculous for? We got to start some more threads.
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i bet he signs with Cleveland ;D
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i bet he signs with Cleveland ;D
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Woj announces Wade close to committing to Cleveland. Shocker.
Yeah not, but it's interesting to think about that team. I think Wade is underrated by some people. Dude can still play.
I think Wade and LeBron can hold the ship ball handling for sure until IT comes back too. With IT that is extremely dangerous to have to cover those three guys.
Wade isn't dangerous anymore. You don't really have to cover Wade except man-to-man and he's a subpar on defense.
Wade is an exceptionally inefficient volume shooter. 18.3 ppg on 15.9 attempts is awful. His eFG the past 3 years is .483, .459 and .457. That is terrible. His saving grace has been his ability to get to the line. At the peak of his career he averaged about 10 FTA per game. His numbers the last 3 years are 6.0, 5.5 and 4.7. Even that part of his game is failing him. He can't shoot the 3 (28% for his career, 31% last year).
Because Wade can't hit the 3, defenders can sag on him a bit. He's 6'4" and doesn't have the hops anymore to get over people. He doesn't get by them very well either as his quickness has faded. He doesn't get bailed out by the refs anymore. Wade is more reputation than game now. He's not entirely useless (aka Paul Pierce last year) but he's nothing you have to defensively plan for anymore.
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Woj announces Wade close to committing to Cleveland. Shocker.
Yeah not, but it's interesting to think about that team. I think Wade is underrated by some people. Dude can still play.
I think Wade and LeBron can hold the ship ball handling for sure until IT comes back too. With IT that is extremely dangerous to have to cover those three guys.
Wade isn't dangerous anymore. You don't really have to cover Wade except man-to-man and he's a subpar on defense.
Wade is an exceptionally inefficient volume shooter. 18.3 ppg on 15.9 attempts is awful. His eFG the past 3 years is .483, .459 and .457. That is terrible. His saving grace has been his ability to get to the line. At the peak of his career he averaged about 10 FTA per game. His numbers the last 3 years are 6.0, 5.5 and 4.7. Even that part of his game is failing him. He can't shoot the 3 (28% for his career, 31% last year).
Because Wade can't hit the 3, defenders can sag on him a bit. He's 6'4" and doesn't have the hops anymore to get over people. He doesn't get by them very well either as his quickness has faded. He doesn't get bailed out by the refs anymore. Wade is more reputation than game now. He's not entirely useless (aka Paul Pierce last year) but he's nothing you have to defensively plan for anymore.
What you don't consider with any of your stats is his situation, carrying two bad teams. He's never been a shooter and he can shoot volume, but someone had to shoot volume on those teams. Do you know when Wade had the best eFG%'s of his career? When he was playing on great teams with LeBron.
He is still a great passer and as a 3rd or 4th even option he does wreck gameplans working off those other players.
Notice your 3 point criticism is something Dwayne Wade has never had, yet he is one of the best SGs to ever play basketball. I think he can do without that now too. Of course, he can't be the same without his athleticism and youth, but he can still play.
I am not saying he is a star player. I have seen other people talking like Wade can't play and they are wrong. He helps Cleveland for sure.
You plan defensively for Wade like you plan for any number of players. In fact, the Celtics strategy is usually to let LeBron have his more and cover the other guys, so Wade will be gameplanned for.
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Woj announces Wade close to committing to Cleveland. Shocker.
Yeah not, but it's interesting to think about that team. I think Wade is underrated by some people. Dude can still play.
I think Wade and LeBron can hold the ship ball handling for sure until IT comes back too. With IT that is extremely dangerous to have to cover those three guys.
Wade isn't dangerous anymore. You don't really have to cover Wade except man-to-man and he's a subpar on defense.
Wade is an exceptionally inefficient volume shooter. 18.3 ppg on 15.9 attempts is awful. His eFG the past 3 years is .483, .459 and .457. That is terrible. His saving grace has been his ability to get to the line. At the peak of his career he averaged about 10 FTA per game. His numbers the last 3 years are 6.0, 5.5 and 4.7. Even that part of his game is failing him. He can't shoot the 3 (28% for his career, 31% last year).
Because Wade can't hit the 3, defenders can sag on him a bit. He's 6'4" and doesn't have the hops anymore to get over people. He doesn't get by them very well either as his quickness has faded. He doesn't get bailed out by the refs anymore. Wade is more reputation than game now. He's not entirely useless (aka Paul Pierce last year) but he's nothing you have to defensively plan for anymore.
What you don't consider with any of your stats is his situation, carrying two bad teams. He's never been a shooter and he can shoot volume, but someone had to shoot volume on those teams. Do you know when Wade had the best eFG%'s of his career? When he was playing on great teams with LeBron.
He is still a great passer and as a 3rd or 4th even option he does wreck gameplans working off those other players.
Notice your 3 point criticism is something Dwayne Wade has never had, yet he is one of the best SGs to ever play basketball. I think he can do without that now too. Of course, he can't be the same without his athleticism and youth, but he can still play.
I am not saying he is a star player. I have seen other people talking like Wade can't play and they are wrong. He helps Cleveland for sure.
You plan defensively for Wade like you plan for any number of players. In fact, the Celtics strategy is usually to let LeBron have his more and cover the other guys, so Wade will be gameplanned for.
How in the world was he "carrying" the Bulls last year? Butler was there best player by a mile. They weren't exactly bad either as they did make the playoffs (obviously not a title contender but people usually mean more like the Orlando magic when they are talking about carrying a bad team). The year before the definition of bad team is even more strange. That Heat team went 48-34 and had Whiteside, Dragic, a still effective Joe Johnson and Deng and Wade along with some ok bench players. Wade was 5th on that team in minutes played and actually even averaged a smidge less points than Bosh in the 53 games Bosh played. This is dramatically misusing the phrase "carrying a bad team."
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Lol your answer is pretty similar to a dad saying "because I am your father and told you so." Carmelo Anythiny made them one of 3 teams in the entire NBA he would play for. That shows it was pretty appealing for him. You don't have any idea what Lebron would do or what moves a brilliant owner like Presti could do to clear cap room. You are just stomping your feet cause it would lower the value of all your Lebron fat heads and posters.
It was appealing for Anthony to play with George and Westbrook. Just like it was appealing to play with James or Harden and Paul. Anthony wanted to play with "friends" on a team that could contend. There weren't very many options available that fit that description. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Anthony opt in to that contract and stay in OKC if Russ or PG stays there, but that is no where near the same thing as James going there. James won't go to OKC. It financially doesn't make sense and it basketball wise doesn't make sense.
Enlighten me why him playing alongside Westbrook, Anthony and George wouldn't make "basketball sense." You have literally argued this summer how good a fit George and Anthony would be playing next to James in Cleveland (when it seemed they could end up there). Now playing with them in OKC would be a bad fit? Do they use a smaller ball there or something? You really do crack me up on me. What others passions do you have that you get this ridiculous for? We got to start some more threads.
Because George and Westbrook won't be in OKC under the scenario that was presented here. And if you add Anthony to the mix who is the SF, who is the PF, and what does the other one do. Unless you somehow think one of them is going to be happy to come off the bench at the MLE or less salary, I don't see why you think that would work. As is, if OKC keeps George, Westbrook, and Anthony (who opts in) they will have the largest payroll in league history. There is no way that team can then add James (who will never sign for the taxpayer MLE anyway).
Unless you actually think James will sign in OKC you have been doing nothing but trolling in this thread. Which is pretty much you m.o.
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Woj announces Wade close to committing to Cleveland. Shocker.
Yeah not, but it's interesting to think about that team. I think Wade is underrated by some people. Dude can still play.
I think Wade and LeBron can hold the ship ball handling for sure until IT comes back too. With IT that is extremely dangerous to have to cover those three guys.
Wade isn't dangerous anymore. You don't really have to cover Wade except man-to-man and he's a subpar on defense.
Wade is an exceptionally inefficient volume shooter. 18.3 ppg on 15.9 attempts is awful. His eFG the past 3 years is .483, .459 and .457. That is terrible. His saving grace has been his ability to get to the line. At the peak of his career he averaged about 10 FTA per game. His numbers the last 3 years are 6.0, 5.5 and 4.7. Even that part of his game is failing him. He can't shoot the 3 (28% for his career, 31% last year).
Because Wade can't hit the 3, defenders can sag on him a bit. He's 6'4" and doesn't have the hops anymore to get over people. He doesn't get by them very well either as his quickness has faded. He doesn't get bailed out by the refs anymore. Wade is more reputation than game now. He's not entirely useless (aka Paul Pierce last year) but he's nothing you have to defensively plan for anymore.
What you don't consider with any of your stats is his situation, carrying two bad teams. He's never been a shooter and he can shoot volume, but someone had to shoot volume on those teams. Do you know when Wade had the best eFG%'s of his career? When he was playing on great teams with LeBron.
He is still a great passer and as a 3rd or 4th even option he does wreck gameplans working off those other players.
Notice your 3 point criticism is something Dwayne Wade has never had, yet he is one of the best SGs to ever play basketball. I think he can do without that now too. Of course, he can't be the same without his athleticism and youth, but he can still play.
I am not saying he is a star player. I have seen other people talking like Wade can't play and they are wrong. He helps Cleveland for sure.
You plan defensively for Wade like you plan for any number of players. In fact, the Celtics strategy is usually to let LeBron have his more and cover the other guys, so Wade will be gameplanned for.
How in the world was he "carrying" the Bulls last year? Butler was there best player by a mile. They weren't exactly bad either as they did make the playoffs (obviously not a title contender but people usually mean more like the Orlando magic when they are talking about carrying a bad team). The year before the definition of bad team is even more strange. That Heat team went 48-34 and had Whiteside, Dragic, a still effective Joe Johnson and Deng and Wade along with some ok bench players. Wade was 5th on that team in minutes played and actually even averaged a smidge less points than Bosh in the 53 games Bosh played. This is dramatically misusing the phrase "carrying a bad team."
Okay, you don't agree with my phrasing, and I should not have said that Heat team was bad.
Someone has to carry the offensive load for these teams. Offense does not generate itself, and guys who can't make a play don't make plays. The Bulls have, besides Butler, Wade, and Rondo, basically not a single player who can do that. So Wade has to take shots and have the ball and make plays. When Butler was on the bench, Wade was carrying the load for the team on the floor.
The Heat team you mention had Dragic but not another of those guys ever creates offense, if not is actually kind of bad on offense.
If the team around that guy isn't good at all, that goes into your analysis if you want to actually get a look at things. And so should what a player is asked to do.
Early Brad Stevens years, Avery Bradley was asked to carry that load for this Celtics team and he didn't look good doing it and he was a volume shooter. But he was the guy who could come off screens and get the shots how a Wade does,and that HAS to happen on a team. Later, when you ask Avery to do less alongside IT and Horford, two guys who pass and make plays, he plays better and looks better. That's the kind of thing I am talking about.
I'm not saying Wade is still a star but you have to consider these things with him and especially how he fits going into a better team, where he is asked to do way less. A team with LeBron is quite a bit different than a Heat team with Dragic that went nowhere.
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Woj announces Wade close to committing to Cleveland. Shocker.
Yeah not, but it's interesting to think about that team. I think Wade is underrated by some people. Dude can still play.
I think Wade and LeBron can hold the ship ball handling for sure until IT comes back too. With IT that is extremely dangerous to have to cover those three guys.
Wade isn't dangerous anymore. You don't really have to cover Wade except man-to-man and he's a subpar on defense.
Wade is an exceptionally inefficient volume shooter. 18.3 ppg on 15.9 attempts is awful. His eFG the past 3 years is .483, .459 and .457. That is terrible. His saving grace has been his ability to get to the line. At the peak of his career he averaged about 10 FTA per game. His numbers the last 3 years are 6.0, 5.5 and 4.7. Even that part of his game is failing him. He can't shoot the 3 (28% for his career, 31% last year).
Because Wade can't hit the 3, defenders can sag on him a bit. He's 6'4" and doesn't have the hops anymore to get over people. He doesn't get by them very well either as his quickness has faded. He doesn't get bailed out by the refs anymore. Wade is more reputation than game now. He's not entirely useless (aka Paul Pierce last year) but he's nothing you have to defensively plan for anymore.
What you don't consider with any of your stats is his situation, carrying two bad teams. He's never been a shooter and he can shoot volume, but someone had to shoot volume on those teams. Do you know when Wade had the best eFG%'s of his career? When he was playing on great teams with LeBron.
He is still a great passer and as a 3rd or 4th even option he does wreck gameplans working off those other players.
Notice your 3 point criticism is something Dwayne Wade has never had, yet he is one of the best SGs to ever play basketball. I think he can do without that now too. Of course, he can't be the same without his athleticism and youth, but he can still play.
I am not saying he is a star player. I have seen other people talking like Wade can't play and they are wrong. He helps Cleveland for sure.
You plan defensively for Wade like you plan for any number of players. In fact, the Celtics strategy is usually to let LeBron have his more and cover the other guys, so Wade will be gameplanned for.
How in the world was he "carrying" the Bulls last year? Butler was there best player by a mile. They weren't exactly bad either as they did make the playoffs (obviously not a title contender but people usually mean more like the Orlando magic when they are talking about carrying a bad team). The year before the definition of bad team is even more strange. That Heat team went 48-34 and had Whiteside, Dragic, a still effective Joe Johnson and Deng and Wade along with some ok bench players. Wade was 5th on that team in minutes played and actually even averaged a smidge less points than Bosh in the 53 games Bosh played. This is dramatically misusing the phrase "carrying a bad team."
Okay, you don't agree with my phrasing, and I should not have said that Heat team was bad.
Someone has to carry the offensive load for these teams. Offense does not generate itself, and guys who can't make a play don't make plays. The Bulls have, besides Butler, Wade, and Rondo, basically not a single player who can do that. So Wade has to take shots and have the ball and make plays. When Butler was on the bench, Wade was carrying the load for the team on the floor.
The Heat team you mention had Dragic but not another of those guys ever creates offense, if not is actually kind of bad on offense.
If the team around that guy isn't good at all, that goes into your analysis if you want to actually get a look at things. And so should what a player is asked to do.
Early Brad Stevens years, Avery Bradley was asked to carry that load for this Celtics team and he didn't look good doing it and he was a volume shooter. But he was the guy who could come off screens and get the shots how a Wade does,and that HAS to happen on a team. Later, when you ask Avery to do less alongside IT and Horford, two guys who pass and make plays, he plays better and looks better. That's the kind of thing I am talking about.
I'm not saying Wade is still a star but you have to consider these things with him and especially how he fits going into a better team, where he is asked to do way less. A team with LeBron is quite a bit different than a Heat team with Dragic that went nowhere.
"ISO-Joe" is obviously known as a guy that creates his own offense. Deng had not fallen off the cliff at that point either. Bosh was also there for more than 50 games. Wade was a leader but was hardly carrying them. He is 35 and definitely declining
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Wade would be a super 6th man for someone but he isn't going to help many teams as a starter anymore. His defense is too bad, he needs the ball in his hands on offense to be effective and doesn't space the floor. Not a good combination for someone who is your 4th-5th best player.
But still a very effective weapon in a 2nd unit where Wade can command the ball and you can run your offense through him. His ball-handling and passing are still elite. He is still a capable scorer. He is still able to be the focal point for a team's offense for a few minutes at a time. Although no longer a whole game.
A great option to have while your stars get a breather on the bench.
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He is 35 and definitely declining
Never said this wasn't the case. He's still good at basketball.
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What you don't consider with any of your stats is his situation, carrying two bad teams. He's never been a shooter and he can shoot volume, but someone had to shoot volume on those teams. Do you know when Wade had the best eFG%'s of his career? When he was playing on great teams with LeBron.
When he was 5 years younger. He was in his prime with Lebron so of course he should shoot better. The trend seems to be more connected to his age than who he played with.
He is still a great passer and as a 3rd or 4th even option he does wreck gameplans working off those other players.
I wouldn't say great. He has the same assist percentage as Marcus Smart. And you're going to need to provide proof that he somehow now "wrecks" gameplans. I'd say the only gameplan he wrecks is an efficient offense.
Notice your 3 point criticism is something Dwayne Wade has never had, yet he is one of the best SGs to ever play basketball. I think he can do without that now too. Of course, he can't be the same without his athleticism and youth, but he can still play.
The point is that as players get older they have to rely on their outside shot more. That's how guys like Ray Allen and Paul Pierce made it into their late 30s while still offering something. For instance, Pierce had an eFG of .537 when he was 37 and a large part of that was he could shoot 39% from 3 point land. He could offer the team something. What is Wade going to fall back on? His game hasn't aged well because once he lost his vaunted athleticism he has very little to offer. How does he help an offense when he can't offer spacing, or drive the lane anymore, or get gift free throws?
I am not saying he is a star player. I have seen other people talking like Wade can't play and they are wrong. He helps Cleveland for sure.
It depends on his role because he's a role player now. If they bring him off the bench for 20 minutes and let him operate against lesser players he'll be effective. But if they want him to start and pick up a large portion of the scoring load from a missing IT, they're in for an unpleasant surprise. He's not that guy anymore.
You plan defensively for Wade like you plan for any number of players. In fact, the Celtics strategy is usually to let LeBron have his more and cover the other guys, so Wade will be gameplanned for.
You don't game plan for Wade. You just line up and guard him nowadays. He's not the guy who is likely to beat you.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Lol your answer is pretty similar to a dad saying "because I am your father and told you so." Carmelo Anythiny made them one of 3 teams in the entire NBA he would play for. That shows it was pretty appealing for him. You don't have any idea what Lebron would do or what moves a brilliant owner like Presti could do to clear cap room. You are just stomping your feet cause it would lower the value of all your Lebron fat heads and posters.
It was appealing for Anthony to play with George and Westbrook. Just like it was appealing to play with James or Harden and Paul. Anthony wanted to play with "friends" on a team that could contend. There weren't very many options available that fit that description. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Anthony opt in to that contract and stay in OKC if Russ or PG stays there, but that is no where near the same thing as James going there. James won't go to OKC. It financially doesn't make sense and it basketball wise doesn't make sense.
Enlighten me why him playing alongside Westbrook, Anthony and George wouldn't make "basketball sense." You have literally argued this summer how good a fit George and Anthony would be playing next to James in Cleveland (when it seemed they could end up there). Now playing with them in OKC would be a bad fit? Do they use a smaller ball there or something? You really do crack me up on me. What others passions do you have that you get this ridiculous for? We got to start some more threads.
Because George and Westbrook won't be in OKC under the scenario that was presented here. And if you add Anthony to the mix who is the SF, who is the PF, and what does the other one do. Unless you somehow think one of them is going to be happy to come off the bench at the MLE or less salary, I don't see why you think that would work. As is, if OKC keeps George, Westbrook, and Anthony (who opts in) they will have the largest payroll in league history. There is no way that team can then add James (who will never sign for the taxpayer MLE anyway).
Unless you actually think James will sign in OKC you have been doing nothing but trolling in this thread. Which is pretty much you m.o.
Pretty sure you are the only person on this board that would call me a troll. To answer your question I could envision Carmelo Anthony taking a very small salary next year to play with his friends whether it be OKC or somewhere else. Carmelo will be 34 then, and barring an unlikely title run for OKC, will be chasing a ring. Many many people have done this kind of thing at the end of their career. I am not sure why you think it is so baffling. Heck Wade definitely signed himself out of more money from Miami or other teams just today!
I think the Thunder could move Adams if they needed to. They may have to add a sweetener, but getting rid of him in a salary dump wouldn't be the worst deal in the NBA. They have a really clear cap sheet aside from that. You give big contracts to PG, Lebron and Westbrook and have Melo making small money. This is hardly pie in the sky stuff.
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Enough with the personal jabs. I'm getting sick of the "your argument means less because of who you are / what you've said" junk. Nobody on here is a punching bag, regardless of what they've articulated previously.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Lol your answer is pretty similar to a dad saying "because I am your father and told you so." Carmelo Anythiny made them one of 3 teams in the entire NBA he would play for. That shows it was pretty appealing for him. You don't have any idea what Lebron would do or what moves a brilliant owner like Presti could do to clear cap room. You are just stomping your feet cause it would lower the value of all your Lebron fat heads and posters.
It was appealing for Anthony to play with George and Westbrook. Just like it was appealing to play with James or Harden and Paul. Anthony wanted to play with "friends" on a team that could contend. There weren't very many options available that fit that description. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Anthony opt in to that contract and stay in OKC if Russ or PG stays there, but that is no where near the same thing as James going there. James won't go to OKC. It financially doesn't make sense and it basketball wise doesn't make sense.
Enlighten me why him playing alongside Westbrook, Anthony and George wouldn't make "basketball sense." You have literally argued this summer how good a fit George and Anthony would be playing next to James in Cleveland (when it seemed they could end up there). Now playing with them in OKC would be a bad fit? Do they use a smaller ball there or something? You really do crack me up on me. What others passions do you have that you get this ridiculous for? We got to start some more threads.
First of all, since when is Sam Presti the owner of the Thunder? I must have missed that one, and secondly, while I disagree with Moranis that George and Anthony would make excellent fits with Lebron, I completely agree with his assertion that James attempting to play with Westbrook, George, and Anthony would make absolutely no basketball sense, whatsoever. We've seen this happen before with the Heat - despite their success, Lebron and Wade never fit well together at all due to the fact that both were poor outside shooters who needed the ball in their hands to be effective, so it became more of a "your turn my turn" kind of offense, with Chris Bosh being the best shooter of the three, and now you think that Lebron can play with Westbrook and Anthony? All of those guys need the ball in their hands and of the three only Melo can shoot, but he also kills any semblance of ball movement, never mind player movement, and his "defense" goes without saying. Westbrook just won an MVP by dominating the ball and has no range, while Lebron has won the same award four times by playing a better passing version of the same style and has never changed his game to be able to even have moderate success without the ball. He needs it in his hands at all times, as does Melo. If James and Carmelo, and Westbrook, I suppose, were all much younger at least there would be some hope that they could change their games for the better, but it's much too late for that now, imo. These guys are who they are and have been playing the same style for far too long to change at this point, imo. Not only would there not be enough shots to go around in this hypothetical arrangement, but the whole thing would be an absolute train wreck on both ends of the floor, imo, and we'll possibly get a preview of that this season if Rose, Wade, and Lebron are on the court at the same time. Oh lawd, Cleveland's half court offense is going to be clogged worse than the residents of a senior center. I hope that their training staff has stocked up on prune juice, lol :laugh:.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Lol your answer is pretty similar to a dad saying "because I am your father and told you so." Carmelo Anythiny made them one of 3 teams in the entire NBA he would play for. That shows it was pretty appealing for him. You don't have any idea what Lebron would do or what moves a brilliant owner like Presti could do to clear cap room. You are just stomping your feet cause it would lower the value of all your Lebron fat heads and posters.
It was appealing for Anthony to play with George and Westbrook. Just like it was appealing to play with James or Harden and Paul. Anthony wanted to play with "friends" on a team that could contend. There weren't very many options available that fit that description. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Anthony opt in to that contract and stay in OKC if Russ or PG stays there, but that is no where near the same thing as James going there. James won't go to OKC. It financially doesn't make sense and it basketball wise doesn't make sense.
Enlighten me why him playing alongside Westbrook, Anthony and George wouldn't make "basketball sense." You have literally argued this summer how good a fit George and Anthony would be playing next to James in Cleveland (when it seemed they could end up there). Now playing with them in OKC would be a bad fit? Do they use a smaller ball there or something? You really do crack me up on me. What others passions do you have that you get this ridiculous for? We got to start some more threads.
Because George and Westbrook won't be in OKC under the scenario that was presented here. And if you add Anthony to the mix who is the SF, who is the PF, and what does the other one do. Unless you somehow think one of them is going to be happy to come off the bench at the MLE or less salary, I don't see why you think that would work. As is, if OKC keeps George, Westbrook, and Anthony (who opts in) they will have the largest payroll in league history. There is no way that team can then add James (who will never sign for the taxpayer MLE anyway).
Unless you actually think James will sign in OKC you have been doing nothing but trolling in this thread. Which is pretty much you m.o.
Pretty sure you are the only person on this board that would call me a troll. To answer your question I could envision Carmelo Anthony taking a very small salary next year to play with his friends whether it be OKC or somewhere else. Carmelo will be 34 then, and barring an unlikely title run for OKC, will be chasing a ring. Many many people have done this kind of thing at the end of their career. I am not sure why you think it is so baffling. Heck Wade definitely signed himself out of more money from Miami or other teams just today!
I think the Thunder could move Adams if they needed to. They may have to add a sweetener, but getting rid of him in a salary dump wouldn't be the worst deal in the NBA. They have a really clear cap sheet aside from that. You give big contracts to PG, Lebron and Westbrook and have Melo making small money. This is hardly pie in the sky stuff.
You actually think Carmelo Anthony is going to opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for a very small salary. It will never happen. He certainly might opt out, but it won't be to stay in OKC. That is just pure and utter nonsense.
And even if they move Adams for absolutely no salary, they might not even have room for 2 max contracts, let alone 3. So unless you actually think George, James, and Westbrook are taking significantly below market value, to play in OKC, then it is once again a nonsensical argument you are making.
I will say again Lebron James will not sign a free agent contract to play in OKC this summer. It just will not happen.
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What you don't consider with any of your stats is his situation, carrying two bad teams. He's never been a shooter and he can shoot volume, but someone had to shoot volume on those teams. Do you know when Wade had the best eFG%'s of his career? When he was playing on great teams with LeBron.
When he was 5 years younger. He was in his prime with Lebron so of course he should shoot better. The trend seems to be more connected to his age than who he played with.
Why wouldn't that matter? It's a gigantic part of basketball.
It'll speak for yourself and you'll see this season. He just has to be healthy.
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If Wade goes to OKC then half of the Melo/Wade/James/Paul fun bunch would already be on one team.
If Westbrooks decides not to re-sign with OKC, and George goes to LA, then they'd have enough cap space to sign LeBron and perhaps Paul.
It's not LA fun, but those four in OKC would fulfill their dream.
If Wade goes to Cleveland, half would be there also. And there is no way James is signing with OKC in the off season.
How do you know there I no way? He hates the owner in Cleveland and the team has a mess of a salary cap with virtually no improving young players to soften the load on him as he ages.
I'll also add in pretty sure everyone would have said there was "no way" Paul George and Carmelo Anthony would both be playing in OKC this season 4 months ago
And Paul George and Carmelo Anthony wouldn't be in OKC if they were free agents. Trades are funny that way (and yes I know Anthony had a no trade clause, but he was still traded).
Aside from that, OKC has about 55 million in guaranteed contracts the following year and that is not counting George, Anthony, or Westbrook. Even if Westbrook and George leave and Anthony opts out, the only way OKC could sign James to a max is if Anthony, Wade, and Paul all signed for right around 10 million combined. Why would Anthony opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for peanuts? Couple that with the shear fact that that team is no where near a contender. James isn't going there.
There is no way James will be playing for the Thunder for the 18/19 season. None at all.
Lol your answer is pretty similar to a dad saying "because I am your father and told you so." Carmelo Anythiny made them one of 3 teams in the entire NBA he would play for. That shows it was pretty appealing for him. You don't have any idea what Lebron would do or what moves a brilliant owner like Presti could do to clear cap room. You are just stomping your feet cause it would lower the value of all your Lebron fat heads and posters.
It was appealing for Anthony to play with George and Westbrook. Just like it was appealing to play with James or Harden and Paul. Anthony wanted to play with "friends" on a team that could contend. There weren't very many options available that fit that description. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see Anthony opt in to that contract and stay in OKC if Russ or PG stays there, but that is no where near the same thing as James going there. James won't go to OKC. It financially doesn't make sense and it basketball wise doesn't make sense.
Enlighten me why him playing alongside Westbrook, Anthony and George wouldn't make "basketball sense." You have literally argued this summer how good a fit George and Anthony would be playing next to James in Cleveland (when it seemed they could end up there). Now playing with them in OKC would be a bad fit? Do they use a smaller ball there or something? You really do crack me up on me. What others passions do you have that you get this ridiculous for? We got to start some more threads.
Because George and Westbrook won't be in OKC under the scenario that was presented here. And if you add Anthony to the mix who is the SF, who is the PF, and what does the other one do. Unless you somehow think one of them is going to be happy to come off the bench at the MLE or less salary, I don't see why you think that would work. As is, if OKC keeps George, Westbrook, and Anthony (who opts in) they will have the largest payroll in league history. There is no way that team can then add James (who will never sign for the taxpayer MLE anyway).
Unless you actually think James will sign in OKC you have been doing nothing but trolling in this thread. Which is pretty much you m.o.
Pretty sure you are the only person on this board that would call me a troll. To answer your question I could envision Carmelo Anthony taking a very small salary next year to play with his friends whether it be OKC or somewhere else. Carmelo will be 34 then, and barring an unlikely title run for OKC, will be chasing a ring. Many many people have done this kind of thing at the end of their career. I am not sure why you think it is so baffling. Heck Wade definitely signed himself out of more money from Miami or other teams just today!
I think the Thunder could move Adams if they needed to. They may have to add a sweetener, but getting rid of him in a salary dump wouldn't be the worst deal in the NBA. They have a really clear cap sheet aside from that. You give big contracts to PG, Lebron and Westbrook and have Melo making small money. This is hardly pie in the sky stuff.
You actually think Carmelo Anthony is going to opt out of 28 million only to re-sign in OKC for a very small salary. It will never happen. He certainly might opt out, but it won't be to stay in OKC. That is just pure and utter nonsense.
And even if they move Adams for absolutely no salary, they might not even have room for 2 max contracts, let alone 3. So unless you actually think George, James, and Westbrook are taking significantly below market value, to play in OKC, then it is once again a nonsensical argument you are making.
I will say again Lebron James will not sign a free agent contract to play in OKC this summer. It just will not happen.
First, off this obviously isn't a likely scenario. I have just objected to your "this is impossible!" reaction to something that is probably more likely than the rest of the NBA. I still think is probably 60% Clippers and 5% for 8 other teams including Cleveland (with the Thunder being one of them). I definitely don't think it is crazy to think about Carmelo taking a massive paycut at 34 or 35. Karl Malone took a 17.7 million dollar pay cut to sign with the Lakers (which is probably about the same as 25 million today in terms of NBA salaries. We saw David West opt out of 12 million to take the minimum a few seasons ago (and people thought he was crazy). Dirk signed for pretty dollars despite teams like Houston offering the Max.
As for whether they other players would take mini pay cuts (eg 2-3 million less to all play together). I certainly don't think that is far fetched at all. Perhaps Lebron would be the least likely to do it because of his role in the league and past statements on max contracts. That being said, if his business team comes to him and says we are projecting a big 4 of you Westbrook, Anthony and George will be even more popular than the Miami big 3 and will create x revenue he could do it. I don't think a ton of people thought Durant would pass up 6 million this summer either. I certainly have seen less likely things happen in the NBA and it seems a bit strange to act like I am proposing the pope is actually a woman or something crazy for raising the idea.
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First, off this obviously isn't a likely scenario. I have just objected to your "this is impossible!" reaction to something that is probably more likely than the rest of the NBA. I still think is probably 60% Clippers and 5% for 8 other teams including Cleveland (with the Thunder being one of them).
Certainly a real chance James leaves Cleveland. The odds of that or where he will go are certainly up for debate, but he isn't going to OKC.
I definitely don't think Carmelo it is crazy to think about Carmelo taking a massive paycut at 34. Karl Malone took a 17.7 million dollar pay cut to sign with the Lakers (which is probably about the same as 25 million today in terms of NBA salaries. We saw David West opt out of 12 million to take the minimum a few seasons ago (and people thought he was crazy). Dirk signed for pretty dollars despite teams like Houston offering the Max.
Those guys all switched teams or stayed where they were. They didn't opt out of 28 million to re-sign with the exact same team for peanuts on the dollars. Again Anthony very well might opt out of his contract and he very well might sign for MLE type money, he just won't do that in OKC.
As for whether they other players would take mini pay cuts (eg 2-3 million less to all play together). I certainly don't think that is far fetched at all. Perhaps Lebron would be the least likely to do it because of his role in the league and past statements on max contracts. That being said, if his business team comes to him and says we are projecting a big 4 of you Westbrook, Anthony and George will be even more popular than the Miami big 3 and will create x revenue he could do it. I don't think a ton of people thought Durant would pass up 6 million this summer either. I certainly have seen less likely things happen in the NBA and it seems a bit strange to act like I am proposing the pope is actually a woman or something crazy for raising the idea.
If the cap is 102 million (or even 108 million), taking a 3 million pay cut for all of them still means all of them sign for well over 90 million combined. That isn't possible even if Adams is unloaded in OKC. They would all need to take very significant pay cuts. This is not a Miami situation where James, Bosh, and Wade could all take a little less and all sign. That is just one of the many reasons it will not happen.
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First, off this obviously isn't a likely scenario. I have just objected to your "this is impossible!" reaction to something that is probably more likely than the rest of the NBA. I still think is probably 60% Clippers and 5% for 8 other teams including Cleveland (with the Thunder being one of them).
Certainly a real chance James leaves Cleveland. The odds of that or where he will go are certainly up for debate, but he isn't going to OKC.
I definitely don't think Carmelo it is crazy to think about Carmelo taking a massive paycut at 34. Karl Malone took a 17.7 million dollar pay cut to sign with the Lakers (which is probably about the same as 25 million today in terms of NBA salaries. We saw David West opt out of 12 million to take the minimum a few seasons ago (and people thought he was crazy). Dirk signed for pretty dollars despite teams like Houston offering the Max.
Those guys all switched teams or stayed where they were. They didn't opt out of 28 million to re-sign with the exact same team for peanuts on the dollars. Again Anthony very well might opt out of his contract and he very well might sign for MLE type money, he just won't do that in OKC.
As for whether they other players would take mini pay cuts (eg 2-3 million less to all play together). I certainly don't think that is far fetched at all. Perhaps Lebron would be the least likely to do it because of his role in the league and past statements on max contracts. That being said, if his business team comes to him and says we are projecting a big 4 of you Westbrook, Anthony and George will be even more popular than the Miami big 3 and will create x revenue he could do it. I don't think a ton of people thought Durant would pass up 6 million this summer either. I certainly have seen less likely things happen in the NBA and it seems a bit strange to act like I am proposing the pope is actually a woman or something crazy for raising the idea.
If the cap is 102 million (or even 108 million), taking a 3 million pay cut for all of them still means all of them sign for well over 90 million combined. That isn't possible even if Adams is unloaded in OKC. They would all need to take very significant pay cuts. This is not a Miami situation where James, Bosh, and Wade could all take a little less and all sign. That is just one of the many reasons it will not happen.
Well Dirk did take less money to stay in Dallas. Duncan did take much less money than he could have gotten to stay in San Antonio. I am not sure if there were times it was technically a new contract versus opting out. Obviously it is different because they were taking discounts for places they played for much longer periods of times. Maybe they take 6 million dollar pay cuts each. Who knows. ESPN ran an article talking about what each team had to do to make the Banana boat team work next season. I know it had Houston, New York, Clippers and others.
I hope you went over on that article and told them they were so crazy to even ponder the possibility of it having on each team. OKC has made themselves a player in a player in all of this.
Nobody thought they would enter the season with George or Anthony, let alone both. They weren't mentioned as an Anthony possibility until about 5 days ago. If they mesh really well on the court and making a finals run I really expect some players to consider joining them as a super team.
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First, off this obviously isn't a likely scenario. I have just objected to your "this is impossible!" reaction to something that is probably more likely than the rest of the NBA. I still think is probably 60% Clippers and 5% for 8 other teams including Cleveland (with the Thunder being one of them).
Certainly a real chance James leaves Cleveland. The odds of that or where he will go are certainly up for debate, but he isn't going to OKC.
I definitely don't think Carmelo it is crazy to think about Carmelo taking a massive paycut at 34. Karl Malone took a 17.7 million dollar pay cut to sign with the Lakers (which is probably about the same as 25 million today in terms of NBA salaries. We saw David West opt out of 12 million to take the minimum a few seasons ago (and people thought he was crazy). Dirk signed for pretty dollars despite teams like Houston offering the Max.
Those guys all switched teams or stayed where they were. They didn't opt out of 28 million to re-sign with the exact same team for peanuts on the dollars. Again Anthony very well might opt out of his contract and he very well might sign for MLE type money, he just won't do that in OKC.
As for whether they other players would take mini pay cuts (eg 2-3 million less to all play together). I certainly don't think that is far fetched at all. Perhaps Lebron would be the least likely to do it because of his role in the league and past statements on max contracts. That being said, if his business team comes to him and says we are projecting a big 4 of you Westbrook, Anthony and George will be even more popular than the Miami big 3 and will create x revenue he could do it. I don't think a ton of people thought Durant would pass up 6 million this summer either. I certainly have seen less likely things happen in the NBA and it seems a bit strange to act like I am proposing the pope is actually a woman or something crazy for raising the idea.
If the cap is 102 million (or even 108 million), taking a 3 million pay cut for all of them still means all of them sign for well over 90 million combined. That isn't possible even if Adams is unloaded in OKC. They would all need to take very significant pay cuts. This is not a Miami situation where James, Bosh, and Wade could all take a little less and all sign. That is just one of the many reasons it will not happen.
Well Dirk did take less money to stay in Dallas. Duncan did take much less money than he could have gotten to stay in San Antonio. I am not sure if there were times it was technically a new contract versus opting out. Obviously it is different because they were taking discounts for places they played for much longer periods of times. Maybe they take 6 million dollar pay cuts each. Who knows. ESPN ran an article talking about what each team had to do to make the Banana boat team work next season. I know it had Houston, New York, Clippers and others.
I hope you went over on that article and told them they were so crazy to even ponder the possibility of it having on each team. OKC has made themselves a player in a player in all of this.
Nobody thought they would enter the season with George or Anthony, let alone both. They weren't mentioned as an Anthony possibility until about 5 days ago. If they mesh really well on the court and making a finals run I really expect some players to consider joining them as a super team.
The banana boat team is Anthony, James, Paul, and Wade so of course the ESPN article looked at teams that had one of them and other teams that would have a bunch of space. If Anthony opts in OKC won't land James, Paul, and Wade. If Anthony opts out, it is to leave OKC not stay there for peanuts. I could certainly see the banana boat team coming together on the Lakers or Cavs (though Chris Paul would be a tough one for them to acquire since Cleveland can't do a sign and trade for him) and perhaps some other team like the Rockets (though acquiring James will be difficult for them), but it won't be in OKC.
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First, off this obviously isn't a likely scenario. I have just objected to your "this is impossible!" reaction to something that is probably more likely than the rest of the NBA. I still think is probably 60% Clippers and 5% for 8 other teams including Cleveland (with the Thunder being one of them).
Certainly a real chance James leaves Cleveland. The odds of that or where he will go are certainly up for debate, but he isn't going to OKC.
I definitely don't think Carmelo it is crazy to think about Carmelo taking a massive paycut at 34. Karl Malone took a 17.7 million dollar pay cut to sign with the Lakers (which is probably about the same as 25 million today in terms of NBA salaries. We saw David West opt out of 12 million to take the minimum a few seasons ago (and people thought he was crazy). Dirk signed for pretty dollars despite teams like Houston offering the Max.
Those guys all switched teams or stayed where they were. They didn't opt out of 28 million to re-sign with the exact same team for peanuts on the dollars. Again Anthony very well might opt out of his contract and he very well might sign for MLE type money, he just won't do that in OKC.
As for whether they other players would take mini pay cuts (eg 2-3 million less to all play together). I certainly don't think that is far fetched at all. Perhaps Lebron would be the least likely to do it because of his role in the league and past statements on max contracts. That being said, if his business team comes to him and says we are projecting a big 4 of you Westbrook, Anthony and George will be even more popular than the Miami big 3 and will create x revenue he could do it. I don't think a ton of people thought Durant would pass up 6 million this summer either. I certainly have seen less likely things happen in the NBA and it seems a bit strange to act like I am proposing the pope is actually a woman or something crazy for raising the idea.
If the cap is 102 million (or even 108 million), taking a 3 million pay cut for all of them still means all of them sign for well over 90 million combined. That isn't possible even if Adams is unloaded in OKC. They would all need to take very significant pay cuts. This is not a Miami situation where James, Bosh, and Wade could all take a little less and all sign. That is just one of the many reasons it will not happen.
Well Dirk did take less money to stay in Dallas. Duncan did take much less money than he could have gotten to stay in San Antonio. I am not sure if there were times it was technically a new contract versus opting out. Obviously it is different because they were taking discounts for places they played for much longer periods of times. Maybe they take 6 million dollar pay cuts each. Who knows. ESPN ran an article talking about what each team had to do to make the Banana boat team work next season. I know it had Houston, New York, Clippers and others.
I hope you went over on that article and told them they were so crazy to even ponder the possibility of it having on each team. OKC has made themselves a player in a player in all of this.
Nobody thought they would enter the season with George or Anthony, let alone both. They weren't mentioned as an Anthony possibility until about 5 days ago. If they mesh really well on the court and making a finals run I really expect some players to consider joining them as a super team.
The banana boat team is Anthony, James, Paul, and Wade so of course the ESPN article looked at teams that had one of them and other teams that would have a bunch of space. If Anthony opts in OKC won't land James, Paul, and Wade. If Anthony opts out, it is to leave OKC not stay there for peanuts. I could certainly see the banana boat team coming together on the Lakers or Cavs (though Chris Paul would be a tough one for them to acquire since Cleveland can't do a sign and trade for him) and perhaps some other team like the Rockets (though acquiring James will be difficult for them), but it won't be in OKC.
Cool. We can just not worry about the season or moves and you can tell us what is possible and what isn't with no reason beyond what you "can see." It is also great that you know what Carmelo will or will not do regarding his contract with 100% certainty despite a lengthy history of players give up 5-20 million dollars to stay in a situation they find more appealing.
What an unproductive conversation.
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Fake: sorry about that.
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Ouch.
https://instagram.com/p/BZhO_xQnGvx/ (https://instagram.com/p/BZhO_xQnGvx/)
Is that an actual quote from Kyrie?
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Ouch.
https://instagram.com/p/BZhO_xQnGvx/ (https://instagram.com/p/BZhO_xQnGvx/)
Is that an actual quote from Kyrie?
I was just wondering the same thing. Where does this quote actually come from?
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Ouch.
https://instagram.com/p/BZhO_xQnGvx/ (https://instagram.com/p/BZhO_xQnGvx/)
Is that an actual quote from Kyrie?
I was just wondering the same thing. Where does this quote actually come from?
sorry forgot to add what I did on RGM, I don't know if it's real, waiting to see a video. just saw it and figured I'd share it. I hope it isn't real tbh.
Edit; It's fake. My bad.
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This Cavs team is going to struggle with spacing until IT gets back. The Rose, Wade, James, Love, and TT lineup only averaged 5 threes a game combined last season, which is crazy given that Cavs' team identity the last several years.
http://twitter.com/RickNoland/status/913475795397603328
And that's not even considering that unit's complete lack of defense. :o
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This Cavs team is going to struggle with spacing until IT gets back. The Rose, Wade, James, Love, and TT lineup only averaged 5 threes a game combined last season, which is crazy given that Cavs' team identity the last several years.
http://twitter.com/RickNoland/status/913475795397603328
And that's not even considering that unit's complete lack of defense. :o
That is made 3's of course. Love shot over 6 a game and made at 37.3%, James was over 4.5 attempts at 36.3%, Rose shot less than 1 a game was a terrible 21.7%, and Wade was at 2.4 attempts but hit a career best 31% (Thompson didn't shoot any 3's - well he shot 3 all year). If Wade starts, that means they add Smith to the bench and that is where all the shooters are with Smith, Korver, Frye, Crowder, etc.
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This Cavs team is going to struggle with spacing until IT gets back. The Rose, Wade, James, Love, and TT lineup only averaged 5 threes a game combined last season, which is crazy given that Cavs' team identity the last several years.
http://twitter.com/RickNoland/status/913475795397603328
And that's not even considering that unit's complete lack of defense. :o
That is made 3's of course. Love shot over 6 a game and made at 37.3%, James was over 4.5 attempts at 36.3%, Rose shot less than 1 a game was a terrible 21.7%, and Wade was at 2.4 attempts but hit a career best 31% (Thompson didn't shoot any 3's - well he shot 3 all year). If Wade starts, that means they add Smith to the bench and that is where all the shooters are with Smith, Korver, Frye, Crowder, etc.
Are these adjusted for climate differences across cities?
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I honestly find it funny how the media sees this Wade signing and thinks it actually puts them at or very close to Golden State level :laugh:
Not even joking, you can see the videos or watch an ESPN segment later today, it's actually a belief now.
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This Cavs team is going to struggle with spacing until IT gets back. The Rose, Wade, James, Love, and TT lineup only averaged 5 threes a game combined last season, which is crazy given that Cavs' team identity the last several years.
http://twitter.com/RickNoland/status/913475795397603328
And that's not even considering that unit's complete lack of defense. :o
That is made 3's of course. Love shot over 6 a game and made at 37.3%, James was over 4.5 attempts at 36.3%, Rose shot less than 1 a game was a terrible 21.7%, and Wade was at 2.4 attempts but hit a career best 31% (Thompson didn't shoot any 3's - well he shot 3 all year). If Wade starts, that means they add Smith to the bench and that is where all the shooters are with Smith, Korver, Frye, Crowder, etc.
Are these adjusted for climate differences across cities?
only if they are not drinking bottled waters . :)
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I honestly find it funny how the media sees this Wade signing and thinks it actually puts them at or very close to Golden State level :laugh:
Not even joking, you can see the videos or watch an ESPN segment later today, it's actually a belief now.
I don't think the Cavs were thought of all that far away from the Warriors by many in the media (at least with a healthy Thomas) so adding a nice solid player like Wade gets them closer.
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I honestly find it funny how the media sees this Wade signing and thinks it actually puts them at or very close to Golden State level :laugh:
Not even joking, you can see the videos or watch an ESPN segment later today, it's actually a belief now.
Yea. The bulls were actually worse with Wade on the floor last year. He doesn't really help the Cavs against the Warriors. Meanwhile a lot of the players on Golden State are right in their prime, perhaps even improving (Durant, Curry, Green, Thompson). The Cavs are dealing with Lebron, Wade, Smith being 32+ and guys with serious injury concerns like IT and Rose (to say nothing of fit). The Warriors scored 113, 132, 128 and 129 in the wins of their 5 game finals romp. So instead of getting a two way star like Butler or George they added the guy many people think was the worse defensive guard in the league in IT and someone that wasn't that far behind (rose). Then the Cherry on top is a 35 year old guy that is comical to think about guarding Thompson, Curry or Durant. Will Warriors set scoring records when they play the Cav?
Nobody would have picked them to do so, but I think if the Cavs had found a way to get Bradley and Smart and George instead of IT, Rose and Wade they would have probably beat the Warriors, possibly in a convincing fashion.