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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: crownontherocks on February 01, 2013, 05:42:54 PM
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Sources tell CBS Sports that teams "have begun inquiring" about Jason Terry.
Now that the Celtics have lost two starters (Rajon Rondo, Jared Sullinger) in a week, the sharks smell blood. Boston reportedly remains in "wait-and-see" mode, but it's hard to see them not doing something at the Feb. 21 deadline to get under the tax line. At 22-23, there's no real hope for a title run here. Terry would attract interest from contending teams as a spark off the bench.
Source: Ken Berger on Twitter Feb 1 - 5:30
The Celtics are $1.5M over the tax line and need to make some decisions before the Feb. 21 trade deadline.
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Get rid of him pleeeeease. Nothing against the JET, always behind him, but at this point we might be able to get a pick for him.
JET to Memphis for a pick.
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An expiring contract would be enough for me.
I'd like to try and get a late first rounder to early second rounder for Terry but it wouldn't be a deal breaker if that wasn't available. Maybe low end prospect (end of roster player) instead of a pick.
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Memphis makes a lot of sense with their trade exception and their need for scoring sans Gay. No danger of going into the tax either now that Gay is gone.
That would put the C's under the tax too, which might be desirable to avoid repeater penalties in the future. And a trade exception is always handy.
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No. Keep him.
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I'm torn.
I want to play out the season and see the team go down fighting. At the same time, dumping Terry for any sort of positive asset makes sense.
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Whatever we can get for him!
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I'm torn.
I want to play out the season and see the team go down fighting. At the same time, dumping Terry for any sort of positive asset makes sense.
As a fan, I'd rather see KG and Pierce retire in green like Bird, McHale and DJ did. But at this point, not making a move is just delaying the rebuilding process and likely making it harder. If this team had played up to its potential and we were 2nd or 3rd in the East, you could argue for giving it one last run. As a sub .500 team that could very well lose the 8th spot to Philly if Bynum ever steps on the court, what else is there to say?
Mike
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He should start considering tattoo removal methods
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I'm torn.
I want to play out the season and see the team go down fighting. At the same time, dumping Terry for any sort of positive asset makes sense.
As a fan, I'd rather see KG and Pierce retire in green like Bird, McHale and DJ did. But at this point, not making a move is just delaying the rebuilding process and likely making it harder. If this team had played up to its potential and we were 2nd or 3rd in the East, you could argue for giving it one last run. As a sub .500 team that could very well lose the 8th spot to Philly if Bynum ever steps on the court, what else is there to say?
Mike
Think of it this way: if we get a couple of sold-out home games in the playoffs, the team is more likely to use that money to buy a draft pick. That's gotta be worth at least as much as we're likely to get for Pierce in a trade.
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He should start considering tattoo removal methods
Or go all-in with a tattoo version of the "I hate Danny Ainge" t-shirt.
Honestly, Terry became redundant and a bad contract the minute we got Barbosa for the minimum.
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I'm torn.
I want to play out the season and see the team go down fighting. At the same time, dumping Terry for any sort of positive asset makes sense.
As a fan, I'd rather see KG and Pierce retire in green like Bird, McHale and DJ did. But at this point, not making a move is just delaying the rebuilding process and likely making it harder. If this team had played up to its potential and we were 2nd or 3rd in the East, you could argue for giving it one last run. As a sub .500 team that could very well lose the 8th spot to Philly if Bynum ever steps on the court, what else is there to say?
Mike
Think of it this way: if we get a couple of sold-out home games in the playoffs, the team is more likely to use that money to buy a draft pick. That's gotta be worth at least as much as we're likely to get for Pierce in a trade.
With the next salary cap/luxury tax rules, I suspect the buying of draft picks is going to almost disappear.
And if Ainge could get Danny Granger for Pierce, kicking his tires and then either resigning him for using his expiring contract would be better than just about any 25 to 30 draft pick.
Mike
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I'm in the "put JET on a jet" camp.
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Always liked JET but I would take a pick for him in a heart beat.
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If that trade doesn't help us this year, pass.
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I'm torn.
I want to play out the season and see the team go down fighting. At the same time, dumping Terry for any sort of positive asset makes sense.
As a fan, I'd rather see KG and Pierce retire in green like Bird, McHale and DJ did. But at this point, not making a move is just delaying the rebuilding process and likely making it harder. If this team had played up to its potential and we were 2nd or 3rd in the East, you could argue for giving it one last run. As a sub .500 team that could very well lose the 8th spot to Philly if Bynum ever steps on the court, what else is there to say?
Mike
Think of it this way: if we get a couple of sold-out home games in the playoffs, the team is more likely to use that money to buy a draft pick. That's gotta be worth at least as much as we're likely to get for Pierce in a trade.
With the next salary cap/luxury tax rules, I suspect the buying of draft picks is going to almost disappear.
And if Ainge could get Danny Granger for Pierce, kicking his tires and then either resigning him for using his expiring contract would be better than just about any 25 to 30 draft pick.
Mike
Is a declining 29 year old coming off an injury really going to help our rebuilding effort?
I think Pierce's contract would have as much value at draft time as Granger's would going forward.
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If that trade doesn't help us this year, pass.
That's pretty illogical thinking IMO ,we aren't competing for anything , and Terry is on a long term contract. What's the point of keeping him if you can clear cap space and pick up a pick ?
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I'd trade him in a heartbeat he is not peforming at all and has been a big disappointment outside a few games but I like him as a person. But I would want draft picks or young guys who need a new start.
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no way, you keep him. He has been huge post rondo. Where was he all year long?
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no way, you keep him. He has been huge post rondo. Where was he all year long?
He's been masquerading as a washed-up Ray Allen in Doc's offense while Rondo pounds the rock.
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If that trade doesn't help us this year, pass.
That's pretty illogical thinking IMO ,we aren't competing for anything , and Terry is on a long term contract. What's the point of keeping him if you can clear cap space and pick up a pick ?
You might not want to compete for anything, but I am, and the team certainly is.
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I was hard on Jet......but I now think maybe Rondo walking the ball,holding it , killing the offensive flow was large part of Jet , Lee,and Greens problem.
Not kick n. Rondo when he is down, but Doc and DA need to make him play a looser offensive game where he doesn't stand around dribbling the ball all day
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love Terry, but this would be a no brainer.
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Let them inquire.
Don't give up on Jet, Danny!
Just hang up the phone, plain and simple.
The buzzards have been flying over this team for yrs, now.
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If that trade doesn't help us this year, pass.
That's pretty illogical thinking IMO ,we aren't competing for anything , and Terry is on a long term contract. What's the point of keeping him if you can clear cap space and pick up a pick ?
The fact that next year's draft is weak and any player we get back is most likely going to be utterly useless - think Jajuan Johnson at best.
Terry has the potential to play better with Rondo out and a bigger role, and I have a feeling he will. The deadline is three weeks away, so why not hold onto Terry until then and see how he goes?
If his production goes up then we have two possibilities:
1. His trade value goes up
2. He proves he is worth keeping
Either way we are better off than if we trade him now for nothing.
If we MUST clear cap space I'd much rather trade Bass to Toronto for Pietrus (assuming they have the cap space to swallow his contract) and slide Green into the starting PF spot. Terry's much more valuable to us than Bass if we do get to the playoffs due to his historical tendancy to perform at a high level in the playoffs and in the clutch. Plus he's a veteran leader who could help player development, whereas Bass is hardly a role model.
With Rondo gone Terry is really the only backcourt player with have with extensive playoff experience.
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Glad to hear some teams are still interested in acquiring Terry.
At this point, I'd give him up for a second round pick if it meant getting under the luxury tax. That should be Danny's #1 option. No sense at all in paying luxury tax for a team that probably won't make the playoffs.
I agree with others who have mentioned the Grizz -- they could use a bench shooter and they have trade exceptions.
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I've been much more open to trading Lee/Bass/Green than Terry, who will be huge in the playoffs. At this point though I wouldn't complain if he was the difference maker in us getting a serious 4/5. Barbosa is perfectly capable of those minutes.
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I've been much more open to trading Lee/Bass/Green than Terry, who will be huge in the playoffs. At this point though I wouldn't complain if he was the difference maker in us getting a serious 4/5. Barbosa is perfectly capable of those minutes.
In what way will Terry be "huge" in the playoffs?
Hitting those big threes that will cut the late game lead to single digits so the final score doesn't look so bad?
At this point, cutting money off the cap so we can avoid paying the luxury tax for a borderline playoff team is a bigger priority than possibly being a bit more competitive if we do make the playoffs.
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If that trade doesn't help us this year, pass.
That's pretty illogical thinking IMO ,we aren't competing for anything , and Terry is on a long term contract. What's the point of keeping him if you can clear cap space and pick up a pick ?
You might not want to compete for anything, but I am, and the team certainly is.
This. Whoever's thinking that the C's are not competing for anything must be a faux fan. I'd say keep terry, get a servicable big and trade bass then see how far this team go.
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With Rondo gone I'd like to see what Terry can do. I think more touches and more minutes will make him more effective.
Please don't suggest rebuilding yet. Whoever watced the 1993 season will remember it was a little depressing watching the team without Larry and with McHale and Chief hurting. But the team still made the playoffs and McHale was able to turn back the clock. It was amazing to see. The next remotely exciting game was the 1998 opener against the Bulls, Rick Pitino's opening night. If you want to rebuild get ready for a long drought.
I'd prefer seeing KG and Pierce for as many games as possible because it might be years before we get another Hall of Famer.
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I thought he played well last night but let's temper this with the fact it was the Magic. Up to now he hasn't earned his pay that much but he played well last night.
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I'm so confused. Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. do people think this team is competing for? They were a sub .500 team with their best player and now without him we are winning it all? ::)
Time to wake up and join the real world people!
Bulls looked good without Rose last year too, than they were one and done I believe?
This current team as is, is not going anywhere in the playoffs! If you want to make a trade to make the team better this year AND for the future great. But what we have now is a team that right now would face the Heat in the first round and will be lucky to win one game!
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No. Keep him.
agreed
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I was hard on Jet......but I now think maybe Rondo walking the ball,holding it , killing the offensive flow was large part of Jet , Lee,and Greens problem.
Not kick n. Rondo when he is down, but Doc and DA need to make him play a looser offensive game where he doesn't stand around dribbling the ball all day
Hmmn. ya don't say? It is clear rondo/doc's style was the problem in the others not being their best and doing their thing. it is why i said rondo can be traded. now that he is hurt. fahgetaboutit.
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If that trade doesn't help us this year, pass.
That's pretty illogical thinking IMO ,we aren't competing for anything , and Terry is on a long term contract. What's the point of keeping him if you can clear cap space and pick up a pick ?
You might not want to compete for anything, but I am, and the team certainly is.
This. Whoever's thinking that the C's are not competing for anything must be a faux fan. I'd say keep terry, get a servicable big and trade bass then see how far this team go.
What's your definition of "anything"?
If you mean a lower seed in the playoffs and a puncher's chance at winning a series, then okay, sure. That's not outside the realm of possibility.
But making a deep run in the playoffs? Challenging for a title? Out of the question.
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I think the assumption about the Celtics wanting to get under the tax line by the media is not a correct one. Teams around the league are doing this because of the repeat offender's tax.
The Celtics are a team at the end of its run. We will have plenty of time the next few years to get under the tax number (to be a repeat offender you need to be over the tax for 4 out of 5 years).
Also I think Terry is going to play much better in the second half of the season. Moving him before the deadline would be selling low.
But If they do move him I see this as being the type of move for the future that they do
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=abea38j, you could also replace Aldrich with someone else.
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I think the assumption about the Celtics wanting to get under the tax line by the media is not a correct one. Teams around the league are doing this because of the repeat offender's tax.
The Celtics are a team at the end of its run. We will have plenty of time the next few years to get under the tax number (to be a repeat offender you need to be over the tax for 4 out of 5 years).
Also I think Terry is going to play much better in the second half of the season. Moving him before the deadline would be selling low.
Being a luxury tax team also restrains you in other ways, I believe. I'm pretty sure that it affects your ability to use cap exceptions and perform sign and trades.
Not to mention that the ownership group probably doesn't want to pay luxury tax for a team that's going to barely win 40 games or so.
And I disagree that trading Terry now would be selling low. Given his age, I doubt his value is ever going to be much higher than it is right now. A contender is much more likely to give up a useful asset for him before the trade deadline with the hopes that he can contribute to their playoff push this season rather than trading for him in the off-season.
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Agree with the "keep him" camp.
1. We're going to return nothing for a trade - what is the point? Why is being under the luxury tax that important right now? Our books will be clean soon enough. As another poster said, being a repeat offender will require us dodging many more bullets in the future, and the threat isn't even worth considering right now, especially since...
2. We have two HOFers in their twilight years and a fighter's chance at making noise in the playoffs (which we make the best of every year with this unit). As another poster said, why would you throw away that opportunity? What do we have to look forward to that would trump the fun of watching one last fight?! Let KG and Paul go down in blood, sweat and tears. I don't get the sense either would prefer otherwise, if the option was theirs...
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I think the assumption about the Celtics wanting to get under the tax line by the media is not a correct one. Teams around the league are doing this because of the repeat offender's tax.
The Celtics are a team at the end of its run. We will have plenty of time the next few years to get under the tax number (to be a repeat offender you need to be over the tax for 4 out of 5 years).
Also I think Terry is going to play much better in the second half of the season. Moving him before the deadline would be selling low.
Being a luxury tax team also restrains you in other ways, I believe. I'm pretty sure that it affects your ability to use cap exceptions and perform sign and trades.
Not to mention that the ownership group probably doesn't want to pay luxury tax for a team that's going to barely win 40 games or so.
And I disagree that trading Terry now would be selling low. Given his age, I doubt his value is ever going to be much higher than it is right now. A contender is much more likely to give up a useful asset for him before the trade deadline with the hopes that he can contribute to their playoff push this season rather than trading for him in the off-season.
If the Celtics win 40 or so games I expect that is good enough for the playoffs. If they get in the playoffs they can make a large portion of the luxury tax expense back through game day revenue. So the net would probably be about even.
On Terry I guess I'm just more optimistic about his second half play than you are. I think with Rondo out and them going smaller more often due to the Sullinger injury I expect him to start giving us Dallas Maverick JET.
That's not to say I would be shocked by a Jet move. If we get an OK young player or pick along with expiring contracts I would be satisfied. I modified my previous post to include a trade for Bass and Terry (we would also get a first) or another young Houston player.
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February 15th is about 2 weeks away...i rather wait and see how this team does til then...
our guards rotation since the Rondo injury is actually pretty good and consistent scoring...let's keep it that way and see how the Celtics adapt to these rotations for a while
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Sources tell CBS Sports that teams "have begun inquiring" about Jason Terry.
Now that the Celtics have lost two starters (Rajon Rondo, Jared Sullinger) in a week, the sharks smell blood. Boston reportedly remains in "wait-and-see" mode, but it's hard to see them not doing something at the Feb. 21 deadline to get under the tax line. At 22-23, there's no real hope for a title run here. Terry would attract interest from contending teams as a spark off the bench.
Source: Ken Berger on Twitter Feb 1 - 5:30
The Celtics are $1.5M over the tax line and need to make some decisions before the Feb. 21 trade deadline.
Tough luck for them, because Terry is no longer expendable. Whoops :)
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February 15th is about 2 weeks away...i rather wait and see how this team does til then...
our guards rotation since the Rondo injury is actually pretty good and consistent scoring...let's keep it that way and see how the Celtics adapt to these rotations for a while
Trade deadline is the 21st not the 15th
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I thought he played well last night but let's temper this with the fact it was the Magic. Up to now he hasn't earned his pay that much but he played well last night.
He had two of the three biggest baskets against the Heat. Well one of the biggest and drew a foul and hit two free throws for the other in double OT. He gave a little fake to Allen and got Ray to slap his arm, he calmly hit two free throws. He also had that sweeping drive and floated the ball over Bosh to cut the Heat lead down to 1 with a minute or so left. Pierce hit the other big pull up jumper shortly after to put us up one, got fouled on a rebound and hit one of two to put us up two.
Terry has turned it around without Rondo.