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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: csfansince60s on December 11, 2012, 12:46:51 PM
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According to Sam Amico via twitter:
https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/277096794784165888
"Kings are very open to moving some of their nice young pieces. Willing trade partner with assets."
Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
What would they want/need? What are their longterm/shorterm goals? That franchise is somewhat of an enigma to me.
Robinson, Evans, Jimmer don't seem to be positions of need for us.
Jason Thompson? I'd like that too!
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I would be willing to take a chance on Jason Thompson in exchange for Brandon Bass.
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I would be willing to take a chance on Jason Thompson in exchange for Brandon Bass.
Just saw your post after I edited. +1
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According to Sam Amico via twitter:
https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/277096794784165888
"Kings are very open to moving some of their nice young pieces. Willing trade partner with assets."
Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
What would they want/need? What are their longterm/shorterm goals? That franchise is somewhat of an enigma to me.
Robinson, Evans, Jimmer don't seem to be positions of need for us.
I'd love either Tyreke Evans (there isn't a guy in the league who screams 'If I was only in a better environment I'd be an all-star' more than Tyreke Evans to me, excepting maybe DeMarcus Cousins) or Boogie Cousins.
Cousins is (at least should be) out of reach for us. The Kings just invested heavily in an undersized 4, so I can't imagine Jared Sullinger is getting them all hot and bothered, and Jeff Green just isn't the guy who is gonna get them to move Boogie.
But Jeff Green might be a guy who can get them to move Tyreke Evans. Tyreke Evans could be the 6th man of the year for us. A combo 1/2/3 who plays 32 minutes a night between the 3, who is used with the intelligence and discipline to keep him in a role in the offense that consistently puts him in a place to succeed.
once that guy gets his confidence back, watchout world.
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I expect they'd want to unload one of their ball-handling guards and get some wings who are a better fit.
This is the sort of deal I could see being workable, not that I think it's necessarily a good idea:
Bass + Green + Bradley
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Evans + Thompson + Garcia
Danny supposedly loved Tyreke when he was coming out for the draft so who knows, I suppose he could pounce. Would take Green continuing to play well for a while to get his value up a bit.
Maybe get them to take Lee instead of Bradley and throw in a 1st? that would be much preferable.
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True or false: Tyreke Evans has the potential to become an elite wing defender in the NBA.
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I don't think Rondo and Tyreke can co-exist. Each player is requires too much time on the ball to be at their best and both are limited as floor spacers.
I'd love to see Tyreke move to a better home but I don't think Boston is that home.
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True.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
Would love to see this Kings team get rid of Evans and Thornton, I think Cousins ans Robinson are a great foundation and it'd be great to see a team built around them.
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Cousins or NO DEAL.
Here is where I'd be willingto part with some really good players.
If COusins can be that good with ZERO discipline and poor teamates. Think what the Celtics team could do to straighten him out.
I like Cousins for alot of reasons. He is TUFF as nails and plays EAST coast ball on a West coast team. He needs to be playing in the EAST.
Keeping KG , PP, and ROndo .... I could part with alot guys to bring in Cousins ( WHILE KG IS HERE!!) to teach him and help him.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
Would love to see this Kings team get rid of Evans and Thornton, I think Cousins ans Robinson are a great foundation and it'd be great to see a team built around them.
Pssssht. Draft's over pal. Nobody's buying.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
Is this really true? I think the Kings have always viewed him as an Ellis type, and that might be part of the problem. Isn't he--or shouldn't he be viewed--more like a poor man's Iguodala?
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Tyreke Evans would be great.
Cousins ... I think I will pass on him. I think he is extremely overrated to begin with (is there anyone that turns the ball over as much and as stupidly as him?) and he is a TERRIBLE shooter. Everyone gets hot and bothered that he scores so many points, without realizing how many shots he is jacking up to do so. He really is NOT a good scorer (42% is a criminally low shooting percentage for a big man). I do admit his rebounding is sorely needed, and he isn't a slouch defensively ... but unless he can be coached better on offense I don't want him. His history shows him to be such a headcase I don't trust him to be able to learn not to play like an idiot. Maybe, though ... but Cousins is a project NOT a win-now proposition. He has to change his game too much to be a meaningful contributor in our system, IMO.
Evans or Thompson seem like they will work better for THIS season. If we are talking about a project, I think Cousins is intriguing, but by no means the sure-fire star some people seem to believe he is.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
Would love to see this Kings team get rid of Evans and Thornton, I think Cousins ans Robinson are a great foundation and it'd be great to see a team built around them.
Pssssht. Draft's over pal. Nobody's buying.
Why? Because Tyreke Evans has shown such a willingness to defer since Summer? Guys got the worst basketball IQ in the league.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
Is this really true? I think the Kings have always viewed him as an Ellis type, and that might be part of the problem. Isn't he--or shouldn't he be viewed--more like a poor man's Iguodala?
I just have a problem with how dumb the guy seems on the court. Maybe I've just caught some of his bad games, but some of the passes he misses is mind boggling.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
Would love to see this Kings team get rid of Evans and Thornton, I think Cousins ans Robinson are a great foundation and it'd be great to see a team built around them.
Pssssht. Draft's over pal. Nobody's buying.
Why? Because Tyreke Evans has shown such a willingness to defer since Summer? Guys got the worst basketball IQ in the league.
I was talking about Thomas Robinson being a great foundation piece.
Now let me be clear here. I have not watched one single minute of Sacramento Kings basketball this season, OR, last season. But I can say with complete authority, Thomas Robinson sux.
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True or false: Tyreke Evans has the potential to become an elite wing defender in the NBA.
True. Very strong potential as a defender. Never shown much of a willingness tho.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
Would love to see this Kings team get rid of Evans and Thornton, I think Cousins ans Robinson are a great foundation and it'd be great to see a team built around them.
Pssssht. Draft's over pal. Nobody's buying.
Why? Because Tyreke Evans has shown such a willingness to defer since Summer? Guys got the worst basketball IQ in the league.
I was talking about Thomas Robinson being a great foundation piece.
Now let me be clear here. I have not watched one single minute of Sacramento Kings basketball this season, OR, last season. But I can say with complete authority, Thomas Robinson sux.
Yeah Thomas Robinson has really struggled now he's realized he can't win with physicality like college. Nba players don't get pushed around so easy.
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According to Sam Amico via twitter:
https://twitter.com/SamAmicoFSO/status/277096794784165888
"Kings are very open to moving some of their nice young pieces. Willing trade partner with assets."
Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
What would they want/need? What are their longterm/shorterm goals? That franchise is somewhat of an enigma to me.
Robinson, Evans, Jimmer don't seem to be positions of need for us.
I'd love either Tyreke Evans (there isn't a guy in the league who screams 'If I was only in a better environment I'd be an all-star' more than Tyreke Evans to me, excepting maybe DeMarcus Cousins) or Boogie Cousins.
Cousins is (at least should be) out of reach for us. The Kings just invested heavily in an undersized 4, so I can't imagine Jared Sullinger is getting them all hot and bothered, and Jeff Green just isn't the guy who is gonna get them to move Boogie.
But Jeff Green might be a guy who can get them to move Tyreke Evans. Tyreke Evans could be the 6th man of the year for us. A combo 1/2/3 who plays 32 minutes a night between the 3, who is used with the intelligence and discipline to keep him in a role in the offense that consistently puts him in a place to succeed.
once that guy gets his confidence back, watchout world.
Ainge has long been an Evans fan. Thornton, Green, Robinson and Cousins is a decent core. I suspect we'd have to take some junk off their hands in the process, like Garcia, Salmons and / or Outlaw.
Evans' shooting is a concern. He wants the ball in his hands to create -- spotting up is a weakness. How is he going to interact with Rondo?
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
How come? Strictly for the headcase issues or do you see somthing else?
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
You don't want a walking double-double, and a potential star big man in the game?
Don't give me maturity issues, the Celtics locker room will keep him in check. Any chance we can get Cousins without giving up our core 3 (Pierce, KG, Rondo) is a steal for us.
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
Yeah cousins is the type of guy you enjoy watching from afar, but not on your team.
Seen a lot of him this year because he's in my fantasy team. Immensely talented offensively, but has a temper and just flat out lazy defensively. A waste of a talented basketball body with the wrong brain.
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
How come? Strictly for the headcase issues or do you see somthing else?
There couldn't really be another reason. His head is the only thing preventing him from being the top C in the NBA.
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I would be willing to take a chance on Jason Thompson in exchange for Brandon Bass.
Thompson might not cost as much too. With Robinson in their roster, i think the Kings would jump with a Bass or Wilcox deal as long as it involves draft pick/s. And I'd be willing to give a 1st for Jason Thompson.
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At what point does Sacto say "this mix of players suck, and we have to make drastic changes?"
They should have said it a couple of years ago. I guess they had some hope that players like Isaish Thomas and Cousins would improve this season, but they've actually gotten worse.
Aaron Brooks was a nice pickup, but Thomas Robinson, the 5th pick, hasn't done much. The team's going nowhere on the court, and probably somewhere as a franchise.
Besides, Evans, Cousins, and maybe Thompson, there's not a lot there. I've always liked Aaron Brooks, who would be an excellent backup to Rondo, and is affordable at $3m. Thornton can't find the rim this season (40/32% shooting). Robinson isn't going to help the Cs this season.
If the Kings were willing to take Jeff Green, I could support a Green, Barbosa, and a pick for Evans and Brooks.
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
Yeah cousins is the type of guy you enjoy watching from afar, but not on your team.
Seen a lot of him this year because he's in my fantasy team. Immensely talented offensively, but has a temper and just flat out lazy defensively. A waste of a talented basketball body with the wrong brain.
He's just as lazy offensively, just awful lazy basketball. Faces up and just random lazy moves before settling for jump shots often.
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I think the problem with any trade with Sacramento is the uncertainty of the team's future/ownership problems.
These rumors concerning the Kings' being potential trade partners are perennial, because no one has a clue about what that franchise's long-term plans/goals are.
I don't expect Sacramento to make any major deals. Maybe a cost-cutting move, or a rental of roster/cap space. Nothing big.
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I would be willing to take a chance on Jason Thompson in exchange for Brandon Bass.
Thompson might not cost as much too. With Robinson in their roster, i think the Kings would jump with a Bass or Wilcox deal as long as it involves draft pick/s. And I'd be willing to give a 1st for Jason Thompson.
Im not sure how much of upgrade Jason would be over Bass. It sure would be nice to add another 6 11 forward to the starting line up though. Man that would be something.
My only problem is trading experience, for potential. Thompson has always been a good player on a terrible team. Bass has always been an experienced role player for good teams. I wonder if Thompson would have what it takes to fit in a winning system.
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I would be willing to take a chance on Jason Thompson in exchange for Brandon Bass.
Thompson might not cost as much too. With Robinson in their roster, i think the Kings would jump with a Bass or Wilcox deal as long as it involves draft pick/s. And I'd be willing to give a 1st for Jason Thompson.
Im not sure how much of upgrade Jason would be over Bass. It sure would be nice to add another 6 11 forward to the starting line up though. Man that would be something.
My only problem is trading experience, for potential. Thompson has always been a good player on a terrible team. Bass has always been an experienced role player for good teams. I wonder if Thompson would have what it takes to fit in a winning system.
I would consider it more of a lateral move in the short term but one that nets you a guy with a big more upside in the long term.
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
Yeah cousins is the type of guy you enjoy watching from afar, but not on your team.
Seen a lot of him this year because he's in my fantasy team. Immensely talented offensively, but has a temper and just flat out lazy defensively. A waste of a talented basketball body with the wrong brain.
He's just as lazy offensively, just awful lazy basketball. Faces up and just random lazy moves before settling for jump shots often.
Cousins has some problems and maturity issues. He's also essentially unattainable by the Celtics, despite those problems.
The Cs would offer any player on their roster not named Garnett or Rondo for him.
The Cs should offer any player on their roster not named Garnett or Rondo for him.
The Cs could offer any player on their roster not named Garnett or Rondo for him, and they'd be turned down flat.
He shouldn't part of the discussion around who we might acquire from SAC.
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
How come? Strictly for the headcase issues or do you see somthing else?
There couldn't really be another reason. His head is the only thing preventing him from being the top C in the NBA.
He's not good enough to afford himself to be the coach-killer/certified headcase that he is.
The talent is undeniable, but the guy just doesn't get it. Teams will be tempted to build around him because of the talent, which is likely to result in an abject failure and a lot of wasted time in the process.
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I don't think Boston has the pieces to get Cousins and I'm not sure there is anyone else I would want. Maybe Evans, but that could be a disaster, though I suppose if we don't give up much it would be worth it.
I actually think the Kings could be good trade partners as a third team. You know something like Gasol to Minny, Pekovic and Williams to Sacto, and Thompson, Evans, and Barea to the Lakeshow.
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
Yeah cousins is the type of guy you enjoy watching from afar, but not on your team.
Seen a lot of him this year because he's in my fantasy team. Immensely talented offensively, but has a temper and just flat out lazy defensively. A waste of a talented basketball body with the wrong brain.
He's just as lazy offensively, just awful lazy basketball. Faces up and just random lazy moves before settling for jump shots often.
Cousins has some problems and maturity issues. He's also essentially unattainable by the Celtics, despite those problems.
The Cs would offer any player on their roster not named Garnett or Rondo for him.
The Cs should offer any player on their roster not named Garnett or Rondo for him.
The Cs could offer any player on their roster not named Garnett or Rondo for him, and they'd be turned down flat.
He shouldn't part of the discussion around who we might acquire from SAC.
We aren't discussing the likelihood of the celtics getting him.... We're saying that we don't want him even if it is possible, which it isn't.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
Would love to see this Kings team get rid of Evans and Thornton, I think Cousins ans Robinson are a great foundation and it'd be great to see a team built around them.
Pssssht. Draft's over pal. Nobody's buying.
Why? Because Tyreke Evans has shown such a willingness to defer since Summer? Guys got the worst basketball IQ in the league.
I was talking about Thomas Robinson being a great foundation piece.
Now let me be clear here. I have not watched one single minute of Sacramento Kings basketball this season, OR, last season. But I can say with complete authority, Thomas Robinson sux.
I'm of the mindset that this King's team is such a disaster it's impossible to judge his value. I think he's a great fit next to Demarcus Cousins who I'm extremely high on.
I've said it before, but I don't think people grasp just how frustrating it MUST be to be a great post player - which Cousins is - and to consistently not get the ball when you want it. Maybe I'm an apologist, or I just want to be right, but I feel for the guy. And I think a lot of the silly things he does is the product of having to play with a team whose chemistry is mind boggingly bad.
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
How come? Strictly for the headcase issues or do you see somthing else?
There couldn't really be another reason. His head is the only thing preventing him from being the top C in the NBA.
He's not good enough to afford himself to be the coach-killer/certified headcase that he is.
The talent is undeniable, but the guy just doesn't get it. Teams will be tempted to build around him because of the talent, which is likely to result in an abject failure and a lot of wasted time in the process.
You don't think Garnett could get in his ear and teach him how to be a pro?
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You don't think Garnett could get in his ear and teach him how to be a pro?
Garnett is great, but he's not a miracle worker and so far he's only helped people who wanted to help themselves in the first place.
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Aside from Cousins, is there anyone else we would want?
I DON'T want Cousins.
How come? Strictly for the headcase issues or do you see somthing else?
There couldn't really be another reason. His head is the only thing preventing him from being the top C in the NBA.
He's not good enough to afford himself to be the coach-killer/certified headcase that he is.
The talent is undeniable, but the guy just doesn't get it. Teams will be tempted to build around him because of the talent, which is likely to result in an abject failure and a lot of wasted time in the process.
You don't think Garnett could get in his ear and teach him how to be a pro?
It's certainly premature to conclude he won't shape up should he be fortunate enough to end up in a better, more credible situation. Sadly, it's doubtful it'll happen before he becomes another Andray Blatche -- a talented guy with no structure or discipline in a worthless NBA franchise. I do hope for his sake and the sake of the league he's traded to a better organization sooner rather than later.
Reality is Ainge would jump for joy if he could acquire him, as would this board, including those who say they don't want him.
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I don't think he'll ever stop taking the awful jumpers. Once a player's shot selection is broken so badly its hard to get them to remove it from their game.
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I don't think he'll ever stop taking the awful jumpers. Once a player's shot selection is broken so badly its hard to get them to remove it from their game.
Well, Zach Randolph did, and I've seen him take some of the most horrible three pointers in recent memory.
But I agree that the likelihood is not too high.
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The two players I would want off that Kings team is Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks.
Thompson and Brooks for Bass and Lee work
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The two players I would want off that Kings team is Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks.
Thompson and Brooks for Bass and Lee work
ANd when I order a sundae, I will take it with plain vanilla ice cream, sans whipped cream, and without any other superfluous topping aside from cold chocolate sauce.
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Looking at the Kings Roster
1. Cousins, cant see any way they trade him unless for a young allstar. Centers are to hard to come by.
2. Evans, to me a physically ideal nba shooting guard with out the IQ or proper skill set. He needs to be traded for his career to have a chance. Not a good fit with Rondo, to ball dominate. A team in need of pure talent should take a shot at him (Orlando, Phoenix?) I would like to see him play the point with an athletic undersize SG (like AB or Bledose). I think he still has a chance to be a perennial allstar. maybe
sac get Dudly, S Brown and 1st
sun get Evans, J Johnson
3. Robinson, seems like a Pitino more to give up on him this quick. He just needs a real PG and time to develop. Would love him as a C but don't think we have a trade that works and already have Sully as our young PF.
4. Thompson, would love to see him as a C. Kings really should move him if they want to give Robinson a shot. Would prob have to work out a three team trade.
maybe Sac gets Ridnour, D Williams
Cs get Thompson, Garcia (get him off cap)
Minn get Bass, Lee (Min gets valuable depth)
Cs become a better rebounding longer team and eliminate log jam at SG when AB comes back
5. Jimmer, needs to be on a team where he can get consistent minutes and score off the ball. Has been shooting well this year. Seems like a great fit for the Lakers in a bench role
may move Jimmer to LA for Hill if they trade away thompson
New Kings if trades are all performed
PG Ridnour, Thomas, Brooks,
SG Thorton, S Brown
SF Dudly, D Williams
PF Robinson, Hayes
C Cousins , Hill
Potential for Williams, Robinson and Cousins to develop into most physically gifted front court in NBA. Though alot riding on Williams perimeter game. The addition of solid vets Ridnour, Brown and Dudly should help the young core.
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The two players I would want off that Kings team is Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks.
Thompson and Brooks for Bass and Lee work
This may be an intriguing option, but I'm not sure we can win consistently with no shooting guard taller than 6'3 on the roster.
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I don't think he'll ever stop taking the awful jumpers. Once a player's shot selection is broken so badly its hard to get them to remove it from their game.
I just think the circumstance is so ridiculous that it's hard to judge. The guy has to play with 4 of the leagues worst ball stoppers in: Marcus Thornton, Tyreke Evans, Aaron Brooks and John Salmons.
I mean, just on a personal level - I'm a big spacing and chemistry guy on the court and I can get SUPER frustrated when people get selfish. I just can't imagine having to deal with this team 82 games a year.
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You don't think Garnett could get in his ear and teach him how to be a pro?
Garnett is great, but he's not a miracle worker and so far he's only helped people who wanted to help themselves in the first place.
I think i tend to agree. His reputation as a miracle worker with bench bigs seems a little overblown to me.
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The two players I would want off that Kings team is Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks.
Thompson and Brooks for Bass and Lee work
ANd when I order a sundae, I will take it with plain vanilla ice cream, sans whipped cream, and without any other superfluous topping aside from cold chocolate sauce.
We are just simple men after all IP. :D
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You don't think Garnett could get in his ear and teach him how to be a pro?
Garnett is great, but he's not a miracle worker and so far he's only helped people who wanted to help themselves in the first place.
I think i tend to agree. His reputation as a miracle worker with bench bigs seems a little overblown to me.
It's coaching. He can give advice, players can take it or not, but at the end of the day a player needs the talent to roll with it.
Give me the best gameplan in the world to stop Dwight Howard, I'm not going to be able to do it. Tell Ryan Hollins the perfect way to grab a rebound...
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I don't think he'll ever stop taking the awful jumpers. Once a player's shot selection is broken so badly its hard to get them to remove it from their game.
Playing with an actual PG certainly couldn't hurt.
And players improving their shot selection has happened before.
Bottom line is Cousins, isn't happening but I think on our team with Doc we are talking an All-Star player and possibly the leagues best C. He has the talent, and the mixture of Rondo, KG, Doc would be great for him. But it won't happen.
Tyreke would be amazing too off the bench with all that flexibility but not sure what's being given up there.
You don't think Garnett could get in his ear and teach him how to be a pro?
Garnett is great, but he's not a miracle worker and so far he's only helped people who wanted to help themselves in the first place.
I think i tend to agree. His reputation as a miracle worker with bench bigs seems a little overblown to me.
It's coaching. He can give advice, players can take it or not, but at the end of the day a player needs the talent to roll with it.
Give me the best gameplan in the world to stop Dwight Howard, I'm not going to be able to do it. Tell Ryan Hollins the perfect way to grab a rebound...
I definitely agree. I think if you look at Big Baby you can see KG's work as a teacher. Even with one year with him Steimsma improved quite a lot I think.
Cousins is in another league of talent and certainly has had issues but being in Boston would be a different world comparatively.
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The two players I would want off that Kings team is Jason Thompson and Aaron Brooks.
Thompson and Brooks for Bass and Lee work
Bass < valuable to them than Thompson, and more expensive.
Lee < valuable to them than Brooks, and much more expensive.
Don't see it. I'd think Bass is particularly unattractive to Sacramento. Other than rookie contracts, Jeff Green's the only guy who really makes sense for them (leaving out KG, PP and RR, of course)
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It sounds like the Kings are impressed with Thomas Robinson's work ethic and maturity. I expect he is a guy they'll want to hold onto. That they believe he'll continue to improve over time and become a very good player for them.
I imagine Robinson and Cousins are the two guys they don't want to deal. Everyone else is readily in the offing.
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I don't think he'll ever stop taking the awful jumpers. Once a player's shot selection is broken so badly its hard to get them to remove it from their game.
Well, Zach Randolph did, and I've seen him take some of the most horrible three pointers in recent memory.
But I agree that the likelihood is not too high.
Good comparison. Also some maturity comparisons.
Remember when Z-Bo played for the Knicks? He was far older than Cousins, and deemed by almost everyone a loser, a cancer, and a lost cause.
He just needed to find the right coach to turn things around. He doesn't need to win any community service awards -- just play to his strengths and stay out of trouble -- and he's a dominant player.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
I don't see this at all. Keep in mind that Evans is 6-6/220 and his game is much more reminiscent of Harden's. Evans is also extremely young. Just turned 23!
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Call me crazy, but I'd be willing to give an Evans/Rondo backcourt a shot. I think Evans is still far from a finished product and he's never had a solid role with the Kings. They wanted him to be a power point guard, but I don't think he has the playmaking ability/IQ to really do that. However, there are aspects of his game that he's young enough to improve. He can become a better cutter and shooter. He's never going to be a good 3pt shooter IMO, but his midrange game can. I think if we stick with the formula of the inverted offense (guards that want to get to the rim with bigs that can shoot) + have a guard off the bench that can shoot (J.Terry), it could be functional.
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I could support the Jason Thompson idea. He's a little less physical, but overall quite Gortat-like and with some room to grow.
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I'd go for Tyreke Evans, he has the potential to be a special player. Didn't Ainge have some interest in him not that long ago? I think he would thrive under Doc and next to Rondo.
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The Kings should be asking for young players still on rookie scale contracts, likely lottery picks, and absolutely no bad contracts that are longer than 1-2 years. The Celtics are not a good match if the Kings actually seek out the sort of trades they should want.
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The Kings should be asking for young players still on rookie scale contracts, likely lottery picks, and absolutely no bad contracts that are longer than 1-2 years. The Celtics are not a good match if the Kings actually seek out the sort of trades they should want.
Sullinger and Bradley fit that description well. The celtics are a good match if the kings want to deal Evans
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But the Celtics seem very unlikely to be able to supply a decent draft pick, so I just can't see them as likely players for a big mid-season trade.
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Cousins of course.
Thompson and Brooks as well.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
I don't see this at all. Keep in mind that Evans is 6-6/220 and his game is much more reminiscent of Harden's. Evans is also extremely young. Just turned 23!
I view Evans as a rich man's Tony Allen. He has all the hops and athleticism of pre-injury TA, with a much better handle and is stronger.
I wonder if the same people who don't want Evans here because he is not a good match with Rondo would say no to TA coming back here because he wouldn't be a good fit with Rondo.
Think about the athleticism and suffocating D that a Rondo-Bradley Evans 1-2-3 combination would be.
At the beginning of the thread, Cousins was and still is my first choice. You guys have convinced me that we probably don't have what it takes to get him.
Given that, Give me Evans, Thompson, Brooks in that order.
Nick, your idea of Thompson and Brooks, though is something that I could easily get behind.
Brooks played real well in Texas before he went to China and is a bargain who could step in and run the team if anything happened to Rondo. Thompson is a big who could contribute right away, but more so in the future.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
I don't see this at all. Keep in mind that Evans is 6-6/220 and his game is much more reminiscent of Harden's. Evans is also extremely young. Just turned 23!
I view Evans as a rich man's Tony Allen. He has all the hops and athleticism of pre-injury TA, with a much better handle and is stronger.
I wonder if the same people who don't want Evans here because he is not a good match with Rondo would say no to TA coming back here because he wouldn't be a good fit with Rondo.
Think about the athleticism and suffocating D that a Rondo-Bradley Evans 1-2-3 combination would be.
At the beginning of the thread, Cousins was and still is my first choice. You guys have convinced me that we probably don't have what it takes to get him.
Given that, Give me Evans, Thompson, Brooks in that order.
Nick, your idea of Thompson and Brooks, though is something that I could easily get behind.
Brooks played real well in Texas before he went to China and is a bargain who could step in and run the team if anything happened to Rondo. Thompson is a big who could contribute right away, but more so in the future.
I don't think Tyreke is as athletic as Tony Allen. He is not as quick or as explosive.
I'd describe Tyreke more as a Joe Johnson level athlete.
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The deal i see kings making with us would be:
Bradley, Bass or Sullinger, Pierce and a 1st round pick
for
Evans , Robinson , Salmons and 2nd round pick
The celts starting lineup would be then
Robinson, KG, Salmons, Evans and Rondo
Kings lineup
Cousins, Thompson, Pierce, Bradley, Fredette
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Kings in an instance get a whole lot better. Pierce would provide them with the winning pedigree the team never had before. Plus he gets to play out his last years in the westcoast. Bradley, Sullinger and 1st round pick is a nice insurance in case Pierce gets injured or only gives you a few years of service. Fredette can finally have a chance to have full pg duties.
Celtics get a whole lot interesting. Evans can play his natural guard/sf position. Imo he has been getting injured these few years because he is asked to do too much. Unfortunately he is not a franchise player nor is he a true pg. I think he can co exist with Rondo , get less injured and play alot better with a vet team. He is still very young, and Ainge was trying hard a few years to grab him. Robinson thus far is not looking like a great pick for the kings. They already have Cousins and Thompson upfront and Robinson is not getting a chance to warm up imo. The guy is definitely starting material and would be a nice upgrade to sullinger. While Sullies iq and maturity is possibly higher, Robinson has a good inch adv in height, better body, athleticism and quickness. With confidence he can be a monster
I'd hate to give up Bradley the most, but there are huge concerns about his shoulders. Its no worse than Evans injury concerns.
Overall i would think hard about making the trade. I don't think its wise to have , two aging players like kg and pierce in the lineup , stay competitive, lose them due to injury/age/retirement and dangerously start a drastic rebuild path.
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For the kings Cousins is not avail to be traded. You would have to give up Rondo for them to even think about it.
Thompson is another gem, and it would take alot to get him. The guy is a consistent 15 pt , 10 rebound guy. This year he is like 17pts and 11-12 rebounds per game.
Evans and Robinson can be had though. Kings have been drafting in the top 10 for how many years now?? They need to bring in some vets with winning pedigrees. Pierce would be perfect for so many reasons for them.
Evans def has "special" in his game. Awesome crossovers and a big strong body. Shooting needs to improve and has poor hops. But from what i've seen , it doesn't matter. He can finish in traffic very well using his big body and making circus bank shots. Plays hard also
Reminds me of a taller Dwayne Wade, the way he can dribble , finish around the basket and also not shoot as great. Again still very young at 1989 born
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For the kings Cousins is not avail to be traded. You would have to give up Rondo for them to even think about it.
Thompson is another gem, and it would take alot to get him. The guy is a consistent 15 pt , 10 rebound guy. This year he is like 17pts and 11-12 rebounds per game.
Evans and Robinson can be had though. Kings have been drafting in the top 10 for how many years now?? They need to bring in some vets with winning pedigrees. Pierce would be perfect for so many reasons for them.
Evans def has "special" in his game. Awesome crossovers and a big strong body. Shooting needs to improve and has poor hops. But from what i've seen , it doesn't matter. He can finish in traffic very well using his big body and making circus bank shots. Plays hard also
Reminds me of a taller Dwayne Wade, the way he can dribble , finish around the basket and also not shoot as great. Again still very young at 1989 born
Not sure how you are coming up with Thompson being virtually untouchable or averaging 17/11. He is very available for the right deal, I am sure, because he isn't a 17/11 guy. He's a 11/7 guy and those guys are plentiful around the league.
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Tyreke Evans is a poor man's Monta Ellis.
I don't see this at all. Keep in mind that Evans is 6-6/220 and his game is much more reminiscent of Harden's. Evans is also extremely young. Just turned 23!
I view Evans as a rich man's Tony Allen. He has all the hops and athleticism of pre-injury TA, with a much better handle and is stronger.
I wonder if the same people who don't want Evans here because he is not a good match with Rondo would say no to TA coming back here because he wouldn't be a good fit with Rondo.
Think about the athleticism and suffocating D that a Rondo-Bradley Evans 1-2-3 combination would be.
At the beginning of the thread, Cousins was and still is my first choice. You guys have convinced me that we probably don't have what it takes to get him.
Given that, Give me Evans, Thompson, Brooks in that order.
Nick, your idea of Thompson and Brooks, though is something that I could easily get behind.
Brooks played real well in Texas before he went to China and is a bargain who could step in and run the team if anything happened to Rondo. Thompson is a big who could contribute right away, but more so in the future.
I don't think Tyreke is as athletic as Tony Allen. He is not as quick or as explosive.
I'd describe Tyreke more as a Joe Johnson level athlete.
Interesting comparison, Who.
Combine numbers interesting too.
3/4 court sprint: TE 3.14, TA 3.17, JJ 3.4
Nostep vertical: TE 28.5, TA 31.5, JJ 32.5
Max vertical: TE:34.5, TA 36.5, JJ 36.5
Lane Agility:TE 11.81, TA 10.7, JJ 12.06
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I view Evans as a rich man's Tony Allen. He has all the hops and athleticism of pre-injury TA, with a much better handle and is stronger.
I wonder if the same people who don't want Evans here because he is not a good match with Rondo would say no to TA coming back here because he wouldn't be a good fit with Rondo.
Think about the athleticism and suffocating D that a Rondo-Bradley Evans 1-2-3 combination would be.
This has jumped the shark, guys. Evans isn't actually a good defensive player. Somewhere way back there someone mentioned that Evans could become an excellent defensive player some day. He certainly has the tools to be one, but thus far he has not shown the effort or the intelligence, only the size and lateral quickness. Saying Tyreke Evans is a rich man's Tony Allen is like saying Javale McGee is a rich man's Tyson Chandler.
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Allen is one of the best d guards in the league. But def short in offensive skills vs Evans. Evans is not a poor defender and has the tools to be a very good one. Under kg and rivers he would be very good or have to be.
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I view Evans as a rich man's Tony Allen. He has all the hops and athleticism of pre-injury TA, with a much better handle and is stronger.
I wonder if the same people who don't want Evans here because he is not a good match with Rondo would say no to TA coming back here because he wouldn't be a good fit with Rondo.
Think about the athleticism and suffocating D that a Rondo-Bradley Evans 1-2-3 combination would be.
This has jumped the shark, guys. Evans isn't actually a good defensive player. Somewhere way back there someone mentioned that Evans could become an excellent defensive player some day. He certainly has the tools to be one, but thus far he has not shown the effort or the intelligence, only the size and lateral quickness. Saying Tyreke Evans is a rich man's Tony Allen is like saying Javale McGee is a rich man's Tyson Chandler.
That's actually a really good comparison. McGee is more talented than Chandler. Offensively he's more coordinated, and is more athletic. But man his skill level and mental judgements are just miles behind in every meaningful way.
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For the kings Cousins is not avail to be traded. You would have to give up Rondo for them to even think about it.
Thompson is another gem, and it would take alot to get him. The guy is a consistent 15 pt , 10 rebound guy. This year he is like 17pts and 11-12 rebounds per game.
Evans and Robinson can be had though. Kings have been drafting in the top 10 for how many years now?? They need to bring in some vets with winning pedigrees. Pierce would be perfect for so many reasons for them.
Evans def has "special" in his game. Awesome crossovers and a big strong body. Shooting needs to improve and has poor hops. But from what i've seen , it doesn't matter. He can finish in traffic very well using his big body and making circus bank shots. Plays hard also
Reminds me of a taller Dwayne Wade, the way he can dribble , finish around the basket and also not shoot as great. Again still very young at 1989 born
Not sure how you are coming up with Thompson being virtually untouchable or averaging 17/11. He is very available for the right deal, I am sure, because he isn't a 17/11 guy. He's a 11/7 guy and those guys are plentiful around the league.
He was probably look at Cousins' stats, he is a 17/10 guy.
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I view Evans as a rich man's Tony Allen. He has all the hops and athleticism of pre-injury TA, with a much better handle and is stronger.
I wonder if the same people who don't want Evans here because he is not a good match with Rondo would say no to TA coming back here because he wouldn't be a good fit with Rondo.
Think about the athleticism and suffocating D that a Rondo-Bradley Evans 1-2-3 combination would be.
This has jumped the shark, guys. Evans isn't actually a good defensive player. Somewhere way back there someone mentioned that Evans could become an excellent defensive player some day. He certainly has the tools to be one, but thus far he has not shown the effort or the intelligence, only the size and lateral quickness. Saying Tyreke Evans is a rich man's Tony Allen is like saying Javale McGee is a rich man's Tyson Chandler.
That's actually a really good comparison. McGee is more talented than Chandler. Offensively he's more coordinated, and is more athletic. But man his skill level and mental judgements are just miles behind in every meaningful way.
I am an avid fan of Shaqtin A Fool (where Shaq counts down his top five "dumb" NBA happenings of the week.) Its amazing how many times McGee has already popped up on the countdown in only 4 episodes this year.
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For the kings Cousins is not avail to be traded. You would have to give up Rondo for them to even think about it.
Thompson is another gem, and it would take alot to get him. The guy is a consistent 15 pt , 10 rebound guy. This year he is like 17pts and 11-12 rebounds per game.
Evans and Robinson can be had though. Kings have been drafting in the top 10 for how many years now?? They need to bring in some vets with winning pedigrees. Pierce would be perfect for so many reasons for them.
Evans def has "special" in his game. Awesome crossovers and a big strong body. Shooting needs to improve and has poor hops. But from what i've seen , it doesn't matter. He can finish in traffic very well using his big body and making circus bank shots. Plays hard also
Reminds me of a taller Dwayne Wade, the way he can dribble , finish around the basket and also not shoot as great. Again still very young at 1989 born
Not sure how you are coming up with Thompson being virtually untouchable or averaging 17/11. He is very available for the right deal, I am sure, because he isn't a 17/11 guy. He's a 11/7 guy and those guys are plentiful around the league.
He was probably look at Cousins' stats, he is a 17/10 guy.
That makes sense.
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I consider Tyreke Evans a good defensive player already. Not a high level one but a good one. He just plays on a bad defensive team so it doesn't stand out. Stick him on a quality defensive team and his defense would be more appreciated.
As a PG, I rate Tyreke Evans as a very good team defender but a dodgy man-to-man defender. As a SF, I rate Tyreke Evans as a weak team and a weak man-to-man defensive player. As a SG, I rate Tyreke as a good man-to-man and team defender.
I really hate it when Sacramento uses Tyreke Evans at SF. He is a power-based guard. He has been his entire career. That is how he plays. That is how he knows how to play -- how to use his size and power to his advantage against smaller guards. He doesn't know how to function (defensively or offensively) without that size / power advantage (which he loses as a SF where he becomes undersized). It's a terrible misuse of a talented player.
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Question here: what do the Kings likely want right now? I suspect the answer more than anything else: leadership.
Would folks in this thread trade Jason Terry as part of getting Ty Evans? Do you feel the Cs would do that?
Example: Terry, Bass, Cs 2013 1st, SAC's 2015 2nd, and cash, for Evans & Thompson.
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anyone know how good Jason Thompson's D is? the only highlights I have seen of him are all dunks. He looks athletic and has some moves for a 6'11" guy. Does he fit with the C's and Doc? He is someone who has the size to match up with the bigger more athletic 4's that KG doesn't have the quickness to cover anymore.
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I view Evans as a rich man's Tony Allen. He has all the hops and athleticism of pre-injury TA, with a much better handle and is stronger.
I wonder if the same people who don't want Evans here because he is not a good match with Rondo would say no to TA coming back here because he wouldn't be a good fit with Rondo.
Think about the athleticism and suffocating D that a Rondo-Bradley Evans 1-2-3 combination would be.
This has jumped the shark, guys. Evans isn't actually a good defensive player. Somewhere way back there someone mentioned that Evans could become an excellent defensive player some day. He certainly has the tools to be one, but thus far he has not shown the effort or the intelligence, only the size and lateral quickness. Saying Tyreke Evans is a rich man's Tony Allen is like saying Javale McGee is a rich man's Tyson Chandler.
That's actually a really good comparison. McGee is more talented than Chandler. Offensively he's more coordinated, and is more athletic. But man his skill level and mental judgements are just miles behind in every meaningful way.
Yeah he be shaqtin a fool too much
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If DA is gonna waste effort to trade then make it worth the effort, lateral moves will mean little or nothing.
If he wants the team to really have a chance to improve this year in a serious mannor ...forget all the suspect role players that might help a little here or there . C's need real help , not stopgaps... trade for Cousins.
or be happy playing .500 ball till PP and KG retire and rebuild. ANd another 6 years or rebuilding.