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Around the NBA / Re: 2024 NBA Season and Playoffs
« Last post by celticsclay on Today at 10:21:07 PM »
I hope the Lakers beat the Nuggets as the Nuggets are the only team in the sport I'd favor against the Celtics. It will not happen, but it sure would be nice.

We all know why you want the lakers to win and it isn’t this lol
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Well s***, if the other team shoots 54% from three on high volume then you're gonna lose.  That just is what it is.

Onto the next one.

Most optimistic take. Thanks. Yeah, 23-43 is difficult to defeat, especially when you are shooting a pedestrian 12-32.   33 point differential.  The downside of the take is -- they had way too many good looks.

This is the most important point, though. It wasn't like they were hitting super contested, difficult threes. We were gift wrapping them wide open threes of the PnR because of a poor defensive gameplan and lack of adjustments.

You can't claim a fluke when you're giving them wide open threes. They're still professional basketball players on a team that is known for three point shooting.
They're not going to shoot that well from 3 in three more games.  If they had gone 19-43, they would have shot an excellent 44% but lost the game.

Very unlikely, but the difference is Spo will continue to adjust to get the most out of his inferior roster. The same simply cannot be said about Joe, who demonstrated complete futility when it came to making any kind of adjustment tonight.
In a 7-game series, a significant talent advantage almost always wins out regardless of coaching.  The Celts shot well from 3 and they took the ball to the basket a bunch.  Besides the Heat's unsustainable shooting, Porzingis had a really bad night.  Now Jaylen's freethrow shooting might cost us in a close game.  Spo might just try a hack-a-Shaw on him. 
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I'm asking a Yes/No question to this entire forum: Are these issues the same as the last 8 years?

Because honestly, I feel they are. And that was even with Ime/Stevens. Also, the team has guys like JVG, Cassell, etc. as assistant coaches and advisors. At some point I start to look at the players more. A ton of reliance on the 3. Players becoming soft and mentally weak. Some terrible lapses in-game.

Mazzulla deserves some blame but I think blaming primarily him is just missing the point frankly.

Jaylen Brown is a culprit. He's been here the longest. Time to ship him out! And take Joe with him.
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I'm asking a Yes/No question to this entire forum: Are these issues the same as the last 8 years?

Because honestly, I feel they are. And that was even with Ime/Stevens. Also, the team has guys like JVG, Cassell, etc. as assistant coaches and advisors. At some point I start to look at the players more. A ton of reliance on the 3. Players becoming soft and mentally weak. Some terrible lapses in-game.

Mazzulla deserves some blame but I think blaming primarily him is just missing the point frankly.

I’m starting to think it has something to do with Tatum as the alpha. Maybe both Tatum/Brown.
Everyone’s wanted to blame Kyrie/hayward/kemba/marcus/all the coaches.
They’re all gone and it’s still the same things happening.

A shame what happened with Ime because at least he got us to the finals. And then the same ole problems reared their ugly head
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Patriots / Football / Re: 2024 NFL Draft
« Last post by Roy H. on Today at 10:18:03 PM »
I think it would be hard to quantify what a hit or bust is.

For example, if MHJ averages say 750 yards a year for the next 7 or 8 years, is he a bust? No of course not. I just wouldn't call that a hit either.

Going by the contract also seems silly.

What do people think the chances are that MHJ turns out to be a bust? I’d probably go with about 10%. This is why I hope the Pats take him at 3. Drake Maye on the other hand seems like he has 75% chance of being a bust. Obviously both are positions of need, but MHJ seems about as close to a sure thing as you can get.
There is no way Maye is at 75% to bust. More like 20%. Daniels is far more likely to bust based on college, his fast huge rise, etc.  Maye has been projected as a very high pick for multiple seasons. Those guys bust at a mich lower frequency.

No way is Maye only a 20% chance to bust. He regressed this season. I don’t think any of the QB’s in this draft are close to being a lock.
Depends on how you define bust and what the other options are.  If he hangs around the league as backup for 10 seasons, that certainly isn't what you want from a top pick but I wouldn't call it a bust.

If a top-3 pick turns into a career backup, I'd call him a bust.
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This “historically good super team” just lost home court advantage in round 1 game 2 against the worst team in the playoffs without their best player.

They. Are. Frauds.

Same ole story

Let’s see how they respond in game 3. Still think they win in 5.

You have more confidence than me. The way that game just played out and tatums  disgusting body language has me shook. Miami has literally nothing to lose and this is a legacy defining playoff run for some of these Celtics. Lots of pressure. It’s not going to be a cake walk in Miami and I have no idea why anybody would think that or that the Heat are not going to play well again. I guarantee you the Heat will play well again.

We've actually done really well in Miami in recent years. Last two postseasons, a combined 5-2 there. That's not some "home court advantage" for them either, when the stadium is only like 50% filled  :P

Well the silver lining is we've won two straight in Miami in postseason games. Including 5 of the last 6 dating back to 2022. And the C's played pretty well on the road in the playoffs last two years, so let's see if that magic continues
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Game Threads / Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Last post by jpotter33 on Today at 10:15:19 PM »
https://x.com/coupnba/status/1783309855899422943?s=46&t=lGU0TGXtwjkuVuoin6WTNw

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Miami now has four playoff games in the past two seasons with 50% shooting from three...against Boston.

No other team has more than one...against anyone.

Hmmm, it’s almost like playing drop against this team and making no adjustments to our coverages isn’t the right call?

This also doesn’t bode well for the “they don’t shoot that well again” camp. They absolutely will if you keep giving them open looks!
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My biggest concern is Boston plays so poorly at home in the playoffs. It’s just crazy.

Also in 2008, the Atlanta Hawks an eight seed pulled the highly respected and favored Celtics into a seven game series. In the end that seven game series as well as the one with Cleveland served that Boston team well.

Don’t give up the ship. Game three will tell a lot about this team.
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Despite a dominant regular season, it didn't count for many fans.

At what point are we allowed to start judging Joe positively? ECF? Finals?

This season was never about the regular season.  From day 1 of training camp back in the fall, it has been about the playoffs & a championship.   The failure and flameout of the '22 Finals & '23 ECF has led to this expectation. It's essentially been title or bust. 

Regular season was never going to prove anything. Not with this team.

The reason that Joe hasn't received his due adulation yet is because he hasn't done anything that Brad or Ime hasn't already done yet.  This team needs to break thru that ceiling.

I mean, it's worse than that - he's done significantly less with more talent. In one season, Ime took a *substantially* less talented team to Game 6 of the Finals against a dynasty and likely top-15 all-time player, and we were about four minutes from going up 3-1 on them.

That team may have been “substantially” less talented(not to me personally) you had DPOY year Marcus and when rob was healthy he was an absolute force, younger Al and had white.
That team was also a couple minutes from blowing it against Miami in a game 7 and despite the warriors being a “dynasty” the Celtics should’ve won that series and visibly choked like they often do.
Ime might’ve been what put us over the top to make the finals but a lot of the red flags were there then that are still with us.
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Game Threads / Re: Heat (0-1) at Celtics (1-0) Round 1 Game #2 4/24/24
« Last post by LilRip on Today at 10:11:54 PM »
Well s***, if the other team shoots 54% from three on high volume then you're gonna lose.  That just is what it is.

Onto the next one.

Most optimistic take. Thanks. Yeah, 23-43 is difficult to defeat, especially when you are shooting a pedestrian 12-32.   33 point differential.  The downside of the take is -- they had way too many good looks.

This is the most important point, though. It wasn't like they were hitting super contested, difficult threes. We were gift wrapping them wide open threes of the PnR because of a poor defensive gameplan and lack of adjustments.

You can't claim a fluke when you're giving them wide open threes. They're still professional basketball players on a team that is known for three point shooting.
They're not going to shoot that well from 3 in three more games.  If they had gone 19-43, they would have shot an excellent 44% but lost the game.

This isn’t necessarily the right way to go about these things. NBA players can shoot when they’re comfortable. We saw that all of last year’s series.

C’s have to adjust. Hoping they miss isn’t good enough

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