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Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2020, 02:30:59 PM »

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Tacko - stays on the 2-way contract.  he's at least 2 years away from being someone who could be 4th on the center depth chart.
If you ask me, he's 2 years away from being 2 years away. :P

Don't get me wrong, Tacko is a very likeable guy. He has become something of a cult figure. I just don't think he'll ever be good enough to make the roster. Basketball's evolution has made the game faster. The way I see it, Tacko can't keep up with the pace of today's game. He's far too slow.

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #61 on: February 09, 2020, 02:37:37 PM »

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Tacko - stays on the 2-way contract.  he's at least 2 years away from being someone who could be 4th on the center depth chart.
If you ask me, he's 2 years away from being 2 years away. :P

Don't get me wrong, Tacko is a very likeable guy. He has become something of a cult figure. I just don't think he'll ever be good enough to make the roster. Basketball's evolution has made the game faster. The way I see it, Tacko can't keep up with the pace of today's game. He's far too slow.
Ok replace him with another second rounder we may buy or un drafted rookie. I think that will get us right around $140M ...
so we can avoid the luxury with moves at the trade deadline.
I think this would mean that Romeo with Grant and Semi will round up the top 10 of the rotation minutes... not a terrible outcome

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #62 on: February 09, 2020, 02:46:36 PM »

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Let's say Hayward opts in, Kanter re-signs with the C's for 120% of his current contract and we use all our first round picks. Not the worst case scenario in terms of trying to avoid the tax, but it's pretty much close to it.

payroll in 2020-2021 (assuming we dump Poirier)

1. Kemba $34,379,100    
2. Hayward $34,187,085    
3. Brown $ 23,883,929
4. Smart $13,446,428
5. Tatum $9,897,120
6. Kanter $5,720,400
7. Theis $5,000,000
8. Langford $3,631,200
9. G. Williams $2,498,760
10. R. Williams $2,029,920
11. Semi $1,752,950
12. Edwards $1,517,981
13. Memphis pick (#17 at the moment) $3,123,960
14. Celtics pick (#26) $2,145,120
15. Bucks pick (#30) $2,040,480
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Yabu $1,039,080
Jackson $92,858
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SUM: $146,386,371

According to latest rumors, the tax line for 2020-2021 is projected at $138-$139 million.

In this scenario, we'd be around $7.3-$8.3 million above the tax line.
Good summary Javelin!
These numbers suggest that maybe smart will be the one being traded?
Another option is Hayward resigns for $25M for 5 years... that’s pretty close to the max he can get.
Nuh, I can't see Danny trading Smart for cap relief + future asset(s). He's just too valuable to us to dump him for cap relief. It would be as if accepting that we can't compete.

Having said that, no one can possibly know what's going to happen. Hopefully, Hayward opts out and re-signs with the C's for around $25 million per year. Problem solved! ;)

Yeah the hope is that Hayward opts-out and then is willing to accept something like 4/110M (so what Jaylen makes). Now it's still far away, but I have to imagine Danny won't use all those three picks. Maybe he flips 1 or 2 of them for future assets, so I think you can save about 3-5M there depending on what picks he uses/trades. I imagine too that there might be a cap casualty in the form of either Edwards/Semi or someone else in the end of our bench.

But again, still far away and things could depend on how we do in this year's postseason. Remember, last year's postseason run probably confirmed to Ainge that they needed to retool and it wasn't working with Horford/Rozier/Morris/Kyrie, etc. And so Ainge also wasn't willing to budge on paying Horford more and hence, he went to PHI.
No way we save anything close to $5 million by flipping 2 of our picks. If we do that, we'll end up with 2 roster spots available. The rookie minimum for the 2020-2021 season is $946,543. 

Let's say we flip the Memphis pick + our own 2020 pick.

$946,543 + $946,543 - $3,123,960 (#17) - $2,145,120 (#26) = -$3,375,994.

Best case scenario, we'd be saving $3,375,994.

Likewise, if we flip our own 2020 pick and the Bucks pick we'd be saving $2,292,514.

$946,543 + $946,543 - $2,145,120 (#26) - $2,040,480 (#30) = -$2,292,514
I think Danny can try to flip all 3 first rounders to OKC and MEM. They might be lacking first rounders this coming draft (OKC will have the late denver pick and their own most likely goes to Philly). Both those teams are in a rebuild so they might be looking for immediate picks. Both of those teams have future firsts they can trade us.
So let’s say we trade the 3 picks and keep the roster to 14 players. We also trade time lord and sign the nets second rounder as well as waters and Tacko.
Won’t this take us right at the luxury line?. At the trade deadline Danny can make further moves to get us below the line ...
How’s that strategy?
1. Kemba $34,379,100   
2. Hayward $34,187,085   
3. Brown $ 23,883,929
4. Smart $13,446,428
5. Tatum $9,897,120
6. Kanter $5,720,400
7. Theis $5,000,000
8. Langford $3,631,200
9. G. Williams $2,498,760
10. Semi $1,752,950
11. Edwards $1,517,981
12. Waters $946,543
13. Tacko $946,543
14. Nets second rounder $946,543
15. incomplete roster charge $946,543*
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Yabu $1,039,080
Jackson $92,858
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SUM: $140,833.063 > $139 million


Chances are, it's still not good enough.

*I believe I should put a roster charge here, but I could be wrong. I bet Salty is gonna give us the right answer. :)
« Last Edit: February 09, 2020, 03:10:36 PM by Jvalin »

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #63 on: February 09, 2020, 04:54:31 PM »

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You only count unfilled roster slots if you are below 12 players on the roster and only count up to the 12th slot.

The Celtics can leave a roster slot open at no charge.

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #64 on: February 09, 2020, 06:10:08 PM »

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You only count unfilled roster slots if you are below 12 players on the roster and only count up to the 12th slot.

The Celtics can leave a roster slot open at no charge.
I think you’re correct Nick. Also Waters and Tacko would sign as one year vets not rookies. So they might be at around $1.5M unless I’m wrong

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #65 on: February 09, 2020, 08:49:32 PM »

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Tacko - stays on the 2-way contract.  he's at least 2 years away from being someone who could be 4th on the center depth chart.
If you ask me, he's 2 years away from being 2 years away. :P

Don't get me wrong, Tacko is a very likeable guy. He has become something of a cult figure. I just don't think he'll ever be good enough to make the roster. Basketball's evolution has made the game faster. The way I see it, Tacko can't keep up with the pace of today's game. He's far too slow.
I was being optimistic and kind to Tacko.  I like the kid and hope he exceeds expectations but I just don't see it.

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #66 on: February 10, 2020, 05:41:29 AM »

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I think Waters is going to take over for Wannamaker at some point.

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #67 on: February 10, 2020, 06:06:07 AM »

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I think Waters is going to take over for Wannamaker at some point.
I sure hope so
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Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #68 on: February 10, 2020, 09:09:50 AM »

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I think Waters is going to take over for Wannamaker at some point.
I sure hope so
will need to be next year.  Hoping he uses this season (and the recent rough outing) as a learning experience.

I think he could be a player that runs an offense better than Wanamaker and hopefully a better (more consistant) scorer with better D but Wanamaker has been getting more consistent on offense and has the size to not get picked on in the post.

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #69 on: February 10, 2020, 09:48:50 AM »

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I think Waters is going to take over for Wannamaker at some point.
I sure hope so
will need to be next year.  Hoping he uses this season (and the recent rough outing) as a learning experience.

I think he could be a player that runs an offense better than Wanamaker and hopefully a better (more consistant) scorer with better D but Wanamaker has been getting more consistent on offense and has the size to not get picked on in the post.

Yeah I like that about Wanamaker. When he gets switched on to a wing, its not a disaster like Rozier was.

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2020, 08:55:26 PM »

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I think Waters is going to take over for Wannamaker at some point.
I sure hope so
will need to be next year.  Hoping he uses this season (and the recent rough outing) as a learning experience.

I think he could be a player that runs an offense better than Wanamaker and hopefully a better (more consistant) scorer with better D but Wanamaker has been getting more consistent on offense and has the size to not get picked on in the post.

Yeah I like that about Wanamaker. When he gets switched on to a wing, its not a disaster like Rozier was.

I agree. Wanamaker looks really strong. He's a good fit for the defense. I'm not sure that Waters is a drop-in replacement for Wanamaker. Waters size is an issue on defense.

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2020, 09:25:36 PM »

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I know Waters is killing it in the G League and could turn into a good bench PG, but I question his fit on this team. He is very much a floor general type PG that runs a show but is that what this team needs? With 4 players on the team that need to have the ball to be most effective, the last thing, IMO, this team needs is a PG that is most effective with the ball in his hands setting up others.

When Waters will be playing he should be playing with at least two of Tatum, Brown, Hayward and Kemba. I want the ball in their hands and the bench PG, like Wanamaker, being someone who plays off them and hits the open shots when the ball gets to them.

My guess is Waters will be given the 3rd string PG duties next year, but if the team takes a PG with the Memphis pick, he might not even be on the team.

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2020, 09:35:30 PM »

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I know Waters is killing it in the G League and could turn into a good bench PG, but I question his fit on this team. He is very much a floor general type PG that runs a show but is that what this team needs? With 4 players on the team that need to have the ball to be most effective, the last thing, IMO, this team needs is a PG that is most effective with the ball in his hands setting up others.

When Waters will be playing he should be playing with at least two of Tatum, Brown, Hayward and Kemba. I want the ball in their hands and the bench PG, like Wanamaker, being someone who plays off them and hits the open shots when the ball gets to them.

My guess is Waters will be given the 3rd string PG duties next year, but if the team takes a PG with the Memphis pick, he might not even be on the team.

I've wondered that myself regarding Waters. I know a lot of people are down on Edwards because he hasn't gotten his shot figured out in the NBA yet, but he may actually be a better fit than Waters for the Celtics.

Whatever happens, the Celts have given Waters a real opportunity this year to transition into pro basketball.

Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #73 on: April 11, 2020, 07:23:41 PM »

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Bumping this! :)

I've already posted more or less the same scenario a couple of months ago, but oh well.

Assuming Hayward + Kanter stay, I'd do two major moves:

1. Trade Smart + Poirier (salary filler) to the Pacers for Myles Turner. :-X

2. Trade up for Tyrese Haliburton from Iowa State.

Many mock drafts have the C's selecting Theo Maledon at #17 (a point guard). My draft binkie is Haliburton. Oversized PG, averaging 15.2 points, 5.9 rebs, 6.5 assists, 2.5 steals, 0.7 blocks and 2.8 t/o per game. Shooting 50.4% from the floor, 41.9% from three (in 5.6 attempts per game) and 82.2% from the free throw line. Very good defender as well. Reminds me of SGA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3qOd8PQvxQ

Truly believe he might be the best player in the draft. Problem is, he won't be available with the Memphis pick. Having said that, it's possible that at least one mid-lottery team would be looking to trade down. After all, the 2020 draft is considered a weak one.

I'd put all 4 picks on the table. Would also be willing to throw in Theis/Grant/Timelord/Semi/Edwards. If we add Turner, I'm OK parting ways with Theis. Would hate to lose Grant though.


PG: Kemba - Haliburton - Wanamaker
SG: Brown - Langford - Edwards
SF: Hayward - Semi
PF: Tatum - Theis - G. Williams
C: Turner - Kanter - R. Williams

Opted for Wanamaker over Waters primarily because he's better at playing without the ball.

Fill the remaining roster spot(s) with minimum vet(s)/Nets pick(?).
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Re: What does our roster look like next year?
« Reply #74 on: April 11, 2020, 07:32:23 PM »

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I don't think trading Smart is ideal at this point. We still need a shooting guard off the bench, and a big to grab rebounds and defend the paint- to counter the likes of Giannis, Davis, Embiid, Ibaka/Pascal in the postseason.

Don't forget, Durant/Irving will be back next season so the Celtics should revamp the roster to slow them down.


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