I dislike Kyrie(merged threads)

[footey]

From NY Post:

On Page 2, Marcus Morris throws some shade at Kyrie Irving.
According to Morris, though, there’s a major difference in the locker-room dynamic: The Knicks don’t have to cater to a superstar the way Boston did for Kyrie Irving.

“The teams are different. We don’t have that one guy where it’s like, okay, he’s first,” Morris said. “It’s a team thing. No knock on Ky, but obviously he’s a superstar, he’s first. Sometimes his emotions were put in front of the team. I think here, we’re all transparent with each other. We can all go up to each other and be honest with each other. That’s the biggest thing, when you can go out and speak to your brother.”

[cons]

i wonder if kyrie had missed that game winning shot in the finals - would he still be considered such a superstar, or just another good player?

IMO, he'd be just another good player w no ring and not elevated to the status he enjoys

[Who]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

[action781]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

While the Marcus Morris part is very likely true, I think it's more the Kyrie part.  I get the feeling that its pretty obvious if you're a player in a locker room and you realize the players and coaching staff isn't being honest and open with one guy in an attempt to appease him or because there's some feeling that he transcends the rest of the team.

[NKY fan]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

While the Marcus Morris part is very likely true, I think it's more the Kyrie part.  I get the feeling that its pretty obvious if you're a player in a locker room and you realize the players and coaching staff isn't being honest and open with one guy in an attempt to appease him or because there's some feeling that he transcends the rest of the team.

If brad and Danny were catering first and foremost to Kyrie to appease him last season then they have to be held accountable for him leaving for nothing.

[action781]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

While the Marcus Morris part is very likely true, I think it's more the Kyrie part.  I get the feeling that its pretty obvious if you're a player in a locker room and you realize the players and coaching staff isn't being honest and open with one guy in an attempt to appease him or because there's some feeling that he transcends the rest of the team.

If brad and Danny were catering first and foremost to Kyrie to appease him last season then they have to be held accountable for him leaving for nothing.

What do you mean "held accountable"?  Sure, I'd say they're accountable for it.  I don't think that amounts to anything actually tangible though.  It's not like we're going to fire either of them over it... there are no better options out there to replace them.  Also, they wouldn't be the only coach/GM to try to appease a superstar -- its pretty much the norm across the league.  If you *don't* try to appease them then they still leave for nothing.  Same result.

[ETNCeltics]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

While the Marcus Morris part is very likely true, I think it's more the Kyrie part.  I get the feeling that its pretty obvious if you're a player in a locker room and you realize the players and coaching staff isn't being honest and open with one guy in an attempt to appease him or because there's some feeling that he transcends the rest of the team.

If brad and Danny were catering first and foremost to Kyrie to appease him last season then they have to be held accountable for him leaving for nothing.

So....hold them accountable. I'm not sure what that encompasses. Neither is getting fired this year, nor anytime in the near future.

It's pretty simple. Ainge held out hope that the team would eventually come together, and anything he could get in trade was not worth that hope, however slim it might have been.

Not sure why that would be difficult to understand. We weren't getting anything of significant value for Kyrie last February.

[NKY fan]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

While the Marcus Morris part is very likely true, I think it's more the Kyrie part.  I get the feeling that its pretty obvious if you're a player in a locker room and you realize the players and coaching staff isn't being honest and open with one guy in an attempt to appease him or because there's some feeling that he transcends the rest of the team.

If brad and Danny were catering first and foremost to Kyrie to appease him last season then they have to be held accountable for him leaving for nothing.

What do you mean "held accountable"?  Sure, I'd say they're accountable for it.  I don't think that amounts to anything actually tangible though.  It's not like we're going to fire either of them over it... there are no better options out there to replace them.  Also, they wouldn't be the only coach/GM to try to appease a superstar -- its pretty much the norm across the league.  If you *don't* try to appease them then they still leave for nothing.  Same result.

I like to make extreme statements sometime lol.
Well I understand trying to appease LeBron , Giannis or Kawhi but trying to appease Kyrie is not worth it and they should have known better if they did...

[Muzzy66]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

I don't see Morris as the type who seems to think that way.  He's always come across to me as a team first guy.  He didn't seem to have any complains about his role with the Celtics regardless of whether he was starting of coming off the bench.

Pretty sure Kyrie is just a prima donna who things he is above the team.   There seems to be enough evidence to suggest this, as he had issues not only in Boston but also in Cleveland where he had too much ego to accept being #2 to Lebron.

[GreenEnvy]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

I don't see Morris as the type who seems to think that way.  He's always come across to me as a team first guy.  He didn't seem to have any complains about his role with the Celtics regardless of whether he was starting of coming off the bench.

Pretty sure Kyrie is just a prima donna who things he is above the team.   There seems to be enough evidence to suggest this, as he had issues not only in Boston but also in Cleveland where he had too much ego to accept being #2 to Lebron.

I recall him being upset with coming off the bench when he got here. He was starting on the Pistons and became a reserve in favor of a rookie (Tatum). Some thought his knee issue was more of a protest.

Regardless if true or not, he definitely bought in as time went on and I think was a good teammate (even if he needed to shove them once in awhile).

Mook may think he’s better than he is, but that’s true for 110% of the NBA. Kyrie is very difficult to coach and play alongside. He will play nice in Brooklyn, for now. Then the time will come there like it did in Cleveland and Boston.

[Roy H.]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

If the "he's first" comments were focused on shots or time of possession, I'd agree.  However, Morris criticism was different:

Sometimes his emotions were put in front of the team

I suspect that Morris is less concerned by shots, and more is giving his take on the lack of leadership, the catering the team did to Kyrie's ego, etc.

[MattyIce]

I wonder how much of that is Kyrie being difficult ...

And how much of that is Marcus Morris' delusional thinking he needs more shots and to be treated like a key player ...

Not sure which of the two that comment speaks more to.

If the "he's first" comments were focused on shots or time of possession, I'd agree.  However, Morris criticism was different:

Sometimes his emotions were put in front of the team

I suspect that Morris is less concerned by shots, and more is giving his take on the lack of leadership, the catering the team did to Kyrie's ego, etc.

correct

[footey]

I always felt Morris was a good teammate. Ball stopper some time. But frankly there were times where only trusted him taking the shot. He volunteered to come OFF the bench last game, which was very unselfish. He was a big part of our playoff run in 2018.

[timpiker]

Gotta respect Morris.  I'm sure last year the team was walking on eggs the whole year because of a Drama Queen who doesn't have any idea how to communicate.

[ozgod]

Just goes to show how shambolic our locker room was last year.