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Beyond the Association => Maine Celtics / G-League => Topic started by: rollie mass on April 03, 2015, 10:02:31 AM
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14 points while taking 17shots and 2 for 8 on threes-red claws lose by 2 -90 to 88--
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Ouch.
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I wonder if this kid has the desire and mindset (not the talent) to become a good NBA player.
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He's averaging 21.1 points on 45.7% from the filed over 15 games played (44.3% from 3) and 4.7 rebounds. Let's not read too much into a single bad night of shooting.
http://stats.nbadleague.com/playerStats.html?PlayerID=203923 (http://stats.nbadleague.com/playerStats.html?PlayerID=203923)
These stats don't mean he will be a contributor on an NBA roster, but he's not a bust yet, especially considering his age and draft position.
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Can we give this guy some time? He is really young. We have bailed on Billups, Johnson and heck, even Gerald Green and they all turned into good to great pros. Lets take some time on him shall we?
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Shooting strokes like his do not grow on trees, I say give him at least three years.
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i didn't knock him,just reported numbers not even%, i watch red claw games only to check on his development -going to hoop ,defense.
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This should have gone under the thread already made about James Young updates...its called James Young Updates...
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He's super young. Give him time. He still has the potential to be a really nice trade chip some day.
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Shooting strokes like his do not grow on trees, I say give him at least three years.
Yes.tp. His shot is dirty
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Klay-Thompson-5490/stats/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Klay-Thompson-5490/stats/)
http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-Young-6462/stats/ (http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-Young-6462/stats/)
Just look at Klay Thompson. It took him 3 years of college to be able to be a contributer. James Young has the potential to be our Klay Thompson. Just look at the links and compare.
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Hopefully he plays in Des Moines tomorrow....I'll be there.
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i didn't knock him,just reported numbers not even%, i watch red claw games only to check on his development -going to hoop ,defense.
rollie, since you watch the games (thank you) would you be able to tell us about young's defense? i know his offense will not be a problem. but given his slight build and youth, defense seems to be lacking.
is he making any improvements? and if so, how?
thanks in advance.
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Oh c'mon.
He's shooting 44% on 8 x 3PTA for the season. Best in the DLeague after Seth Curry.
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i'm sorry,i think its too soon but i don't think he has any smart in him-small sample size-d league not very defensive but don't see any mimicing of bradley or smart -still getting his game legs maybe-this year was a waste-should have stayed at kentucky-he is sort of, so smooth his effort might not show through-he needs so much at his young age to be NBA force -dantome has proven himself for years as a shooter--if young doesn't work on being anything but catch and shoot --when dwight powell played for red clawsplayed with an intensity and a different kind of motor-i haven't warmed up to this james game-very little edge t o it -but a sweet stroke and being a drop dead shooter might be a different breed-seems straight line ,very little ability to create,no right hand-------
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i'm sorry,i think its too soon but i don't think he has any smart in him-small sample size-d league not very defensive but don't see any mimicing of bradley or smart -still getting his game legs maybe-this year was a waste-should have stayed at kentucky-he is sort of, so smooth his effort might not show through-he needs so much at his young age to be NBA force -dantome has proven himself for years as a shooter--if young doesn't work on being anything but catch and shoot --when dwight powell played for red clawsplayed with an intensity and a different kind of motor-i haven't warmed up to this james game-very little edge t o it -but a sweet stroke and being a drop dead shooter might be a different breed-seems straight line ,very little ability to create,no right hand-------
thanks. it seems the defense will have to be a work in process for a while longer.
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Can we give this guy some time? He is really young. We have bailed on Billups, Johnson and heck, even Gerald Green and they all turned into good to great pros. Lets take some time on him shall we?
Woah woah woah. Billups became good on like his 3rd or 4th team and GG became decent after a trip to Moscow. I'm not interested in waiting that long
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hwang-the red claws home page has games live and on full replay-and highlites of just young in at least 4 games-
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As a general rule I try to not give up on sweet shooting guys who are 6'6" have huge wingspans and decent athleticism until at least their 21st birthday.
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hits for 30 points making six 3pointers-playoffs for him coming up,that should give him some good minutes -the teams top scorer bumped up to nba-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYja9WWZNrA
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Any D highlights?
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Any D highlights?
I dont think so. Ive tried to watch bits of their games (they are all available on youtube through the dleague website) and I think there is improvement. From what I can his biggest struggle is tracking guys when they move a lot without the ball around screens and whatnot. His one on one D leaves some to be desired as he tends to leave to much cushion and allow guys to shoot over him but he has the wingspan to at least get a decent contest most of the time. The improvement has been in concentration and play making. Several times Ive watched him take advantage of lackadaisical play and get his hands on sloppy passes and sloppy dribbling. He also gets his hands on a lot of loose balls like Jerebko does.
Overall, hes improving on D, but has a ways to go before he isnt a liability anymore at the NBA level.
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first playoff game starting on ESPNU now.
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Losing Frazier and Babb has had to hurt their playoff chances, right? Well, at least they got Young back.
Edit: Just noticed that Babb is actually playing - glad he gets to play at the most important time of the year.
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Can we give this guy some time? He is really young. We have bailed on Billups, Johnson and heck, even Gerald Green and they all turned into good to great pros. Lets take some time on him shall we?
Woah woah woah. Billups became good on like his 3rd or 4th team and GG became decent after a trip to Moscow. I'm not interested in waiting that long
That's fine and all, but he was seen as raw when he was drafted. If he hasn't met your expectations, it's because you set them too high.
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It's Steez vs. Young!
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Can we give this guy some time? He is really young. We have bailed on Billups, Johnson and heck, even Gerald Green and they all turned into good to great pros. Lets take some time on him shall we?
Woah woah woah. Billups became good on like his 3rd or 4th team and GG became decent after a trip to Moscow. I'm not interested in waiting that long
That's fine and all, but he was seen as raw when he was drafted. If he hasn't met your expectations, it's because you set them too high.
What I didn't expect was for him to take till his 4th team and 5th year to be anything resembling decent at all.
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As a general rule I try to not give up on sweet shooting guys who are 6'6" have huge wingspans and decent athleticism until at least their 21st birthday.
You should really change your rule to the 23rd or 24th birthday.
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As a general rule I try to not give up on sweet shooting guys who are 6'6" have huge wingspans and decent athleticism until at least their 21st birthday.
You should really change your rule to the 23rd or 24th birthday.
Ya I dont really have a rule I was just posting it to suggest that it was entirely ridiculous to give up on this kid at this point.
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patience is always in short supply around these parts. ::)
by the way, young now has 11 points and 5 rebounds after a bad start. babb has 6 points and 3 rebounds.
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Lil Pac has one of the fastest releases I have ever seen. Not only is it quick, it's pretty. How he does it, I don't know but I love seeing it.
Now, his defense is certainly his offense, he has to offset it or outdo it with offense because his defense is HORRIBLE. I really don't get it, he has the physical tools to be a much better defender but at times he is standing straight up and being blown by.
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He is 19 .....give him a couple years min before yelling bust.
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He is 19 .....give him a couple years min before yelling bust.
Lil Pac will be fine.
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Lil Pac has one of the fastest releases I have ever seen. Not only is it quick, it's pretty. How he does it, I don't know but I love seeing it.
Now, his defense is certainly his offense, he has to offset it or outdo it with offense because his defense is HORRIBLE. I really don't get it, he has the physical tools to be a much better defender but at times he is standing straight up and being blown by.
Tonight, it looks like an effort problem to me.
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This game is painful to watch. It's like watching AAU with all of these individuals trying to get their own.
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This game is painful to watch. It's like watching AAU with all of these individuals trying to get their own.
I can't believe some of the shots these teams were taking. Also, whoever was on JY was denying him the ball really well, was like a fly on sticky paper.
Babb was excellent on some clutch stops but his 3 ball hurt them in OT, he was wide open but the shots didn't go in for him.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61ZkMVhLtFk
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He's gonna be money. Can't teach such a smooth shooting stroke. Smart and Rondo wish you could ;-)
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He's gonna be money. Can't teach such a smooth shooting stroke. Smart and Rondo wish you could ;-)
so true...tp
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James Young is obviously on a different level offensively than the players he faces in the D-League. He's not being challenged whatsoever on that end of the floor.
I'm not sure how much the D-League is going to help Young at this point. He's always going to be an offensive-minded player. Probably the only way for him to make it is to just practice against NBA players and try to figure out how to be effective enough defensively to not be a net negative.
The only thing I could see Young doing at the D-League level is working on his rebounding and other hustle plays. He probably won't develop in those areas until he adds some muscle, though.
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James Young is obviously on a different level offensively than the players he faces in the D-League. He's not being challenged whatsoever on that end of the floor.
I'm not sure how much the D-League is going to help Young at this point. He's always going to be an offensive-minded player. Probably the only way for him to make it is to just practice against NBA players and try to figure out how to be effective enough defensively to not be a net negative.
The only thing I could see Young doing at the D-League level is working on his rebounding and other hustle plays. He probably won't develop in those areas until he adds some muscle, though.
It would be great if the D-League were more like minor league baseball, but that's impossible. In baseball, every player gets the same opportunity to hit, field, pitch, etc - you can't really be a ball-hog, per se. In basketball, there is a lot less organization, especially with a bunch of younger guys who want to show that they have what it takes to make it to the next level. James Young will be able to showcase his game offensively, because that's what he does well, but I think it will be difficult for him to learn 'grit' from the D-League because of the system of play there.
No matter what, it is a good way for young players to get minutes that they wouldn't otherwise get on an NBA roster. The thing is, a guy like Young should be able to play however he wants (not just taking 3s) since he has a guaranteed contract and is still thought of highly as a prospect.
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Maine's season is over. Just watched the last game to check on Young.
The game was ugly! No structured basketball, a lot of chucking.70 3PAs combined. No centers for both teams for the majority of the game.
Average game for Young, but the Red Claws did not really run anything to get him going. A lot of standing in the right corner, weak cross to the left corner, meanwhile somebody has already shot the ball.
The good:
- very good rebounding - some contested ones, ball at the highest point
- no chucking on offense, made the right pass. As usually, a couple of nice looking Js.
- had a few nice hustle plays on D
- solid on D, but he was guarding secondary options for the Mad Ants
The bad:
- still no aggression in his offense. Those handles are really limiting his driving game.
- 2/4 at the line. Same problem as with the Celtics - first FT rushed and missed, second made.
Overall, not a lot to tell about Young from that game.
I hope he has a healthy off-season and works on handles and fundamentals on D. Right now he is not playing the running off screens SG game like JJ Redick and Ray and he does not have the handles for the TMac, Kobe iso-game. He is obviously not a 3&D SG either. I doubt he will be playing SF full-time. Some role needs to be defined next year and the necessary skills - developed.
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Maine's season is over. Just watched the last game to check on Young.
The game was ugly! No structured basketball, a lot of chucking.70 3PAs combined. No centers for both teams for the majority of the game.
Average game for Young, but the Red Claws did not really run anything to get him going. A lot of standing in the right corner, weak cross to the left corner, meanwhile somebody has already shot the ball.
The good:
- very good rebounding - some contested ones, ball at the highest point
- no chucking on offense, made the right pass. As usually, a couple of nice looking Js.
- had a few nice hustle plays on D
- solid on D, but he was guarding secondary options for the Mad Ants
The bad:
- still no aggression in his offense. Those handles are really limiting his driving game.
- 2/4 at the line. Same problem as with the Celtics - first FT rushed and missed, second made.
Overall, not a lot to tell about Young from that game.
I hope he has a healthy off-season and works on handles and fundamentals on D. Right now he is not playing the running off screens SG game like JJ Redick and Ray and he does not have the handles for the TMac, Kobe iso-game. He is obviously not a 3&D SG either. I doubt he will be playing SF full-time. Some role needs to be defined next year and the necessary skills - developed.
Krumeto, what do you think its ceiling is gonna be with his handles and fundamentals on D improved? Do you think he'll get playing time next year?
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Maine's season is over. Just watched the last game to check on Young.
The game was ugly! No structured basketball, a lot of chucking.70 3PAs combined. No centers for both teams for the majority of the game.
Average game for Young, but the Red Claws did not really run anything to get him going. A lot of standing in the right corner, weak cross to the left corner, meanwhile somebody has already shot the ball.
The good:
- very good rebounding - some contested ones, ball at the highest point
- no chucking on offense, made the right pass. As usually, a couple of nice looking Js.
- had a few nice hustle plays on D
- solid on D, but he was guarding secondary options for the Mad Ants
The bad:
- still no aggression in his offense. Those handles are really limiting his driving game.
- 2/4 at the line. Same problem as with the Celtics - first FT rushed and missed, second made.
Overall, not a lot to tell about Young from that game.
I hope he has a healthy off-season and works on handles and fundamentals on D. Right now he is not playing the running off screens SG game like JJ Redick and Ray and he does not have the handles for the TMac, Kobe iso-game. He is obviously not a 3&D SG either. I doubt he will be playing SF full-time. Some role needs to be defined next year and the necessary skills - developed.
Krumeto, what do you think its ceiling is gonna be with his handles and fundamentals on D improved? Do you think he'll get playing time next year?
With a key word "ceiling", I'd say Klay Thompson. He'd have to improve everything, incl. shooting a lot. The impression he gives me and Wallace's comments early in the season, I do not think he has the drive to do it. I hope I am wrong.
If in 3-4 seasons he gives us what Beal gives Washington now, I'd be more than happy and consider it success.
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Maine's season is over. Just watched the last game to check on Young.
The game was ugly! No structured basketball, a lot of chucking.70 3PAs combined. No centers for both teams for the majority of the game.
Average game for Young, but the Red Claws did not really run anything to get him going. A lot of standing in the right corner, weak cross to the left corner, meanwhile somebody has already shot the ball.
The good:
- very good rebounding - some contested ones, ball at the highest point
- no chucking on offense, made the right pass. As usually, a couple of nice looking Js.
- had a few nice hustle plays on D
- solid on D, but he was guarding secondary options for the Mad Ants
The bad:
- still no aggression in his offense. Those handles are really limiting his driving game.
- 2/4 at the line. Same problem as with the Celtics - first FT rushed and missed, second made.
Overall, not a lot to tell about Young from that game.
I hope he has a healthy off-season and works on handles and fundamentals on D. Right now he is not playing the running off screens SG game like JJ Redick and Ray and he does not have the handles for the TMac, Kobe iso-game. He is obviously not a 3&D SG either. I doubt he will be playing SF full-time. Some role needs to be defined next year and the necessary skills - developed.
Krumeto, what do you think its ceiling is gonna be with his handles and fundamentals on D improved? Do you think he'll get playing time next year?
With a key word "ceiling", I'd say Klay Thompson. He'd have to improve everything, incl. shooting a lot. The impression he gives me and Wallace's comments early in the season, I do not think he has the drive to do it. I hope I am wrong.
If in 3-4 seasons he gives us what Beal gives Washington now, I'd be more than happy and consider it success.
I don't know where the "ceiling" of a player is, but Klay Thomson is most likely 50 floors higher than Young's ceiling. Klay was one of the best shooters AND scorers in college, with 20PPG, 45% 3pt and 85% ft. Nothing about Young's college or NBA play has suggested he is headed towards Klaydom.
To be fair - there is no reason to expect a player drafted 19th in a so-so draft to be one of the best 3 shooters in the league. If he ever reaches Danny Green level - I will be jumping for Joy.
I would be happy if he ended up Anthony Morrow. A very very good outside shooter who is passable at other aspects of the game.
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Maine's season is over. Just watched the last game to check on Young.
The game was ugly! No structured basketball, a lot of chucking.70 3PAs combined. No centers for both teams for the majority of the game.
Average game for Young, but the Red Claws did not really run anything to get him going. A lot of standing in the right corner, weak cross to the left corner, meanwhile somebody has already shot the ball.
The good:
- very good rebounding - some contested ones, ball at the highest point
- no chucking on offense, made the right pass. As usually, a couple of nice looking Js.
- had a few nice hustle plays on D
- solid on D, but he was guarding secondary options for the Mad Ants
The bad:
- still no aggression in his offense. Those handles are really limiting his driving game.
- 2/4 at the line. Same problem as with the Celtics - first FT rushed and missed, second made.
Overall, not a lot to tell about Young from that game.
I hope he has a healthy off-season and works on handles and fundamentals on D. Right now he is not playing the running off screens SG game like JJ Redick and Ray and he does not have the handles for the TMac, Kobe iso-game. He is obviously not a 3&D SG either. I doubt he will be playing SF full-time. Some role needs to be defined next year and the necessary skills - developed.
Krumeto, what do you think its ceiling is gonna be with his handles and fundamentals on D improved? Do you think he'll get playing time next year?
With a key word "ceiling", I'd say Klay Thompson. He'd have to improve everything, incl. shooting a lot. The impression he gives me and Wallace's comments early in the season, I do not think he has the drive to do it. I hope I am wrong.
If in 3-4 seasons he gives us what Beal gives Washington now, I'd be more than happy and consider it success.
I don't know where the "ceiling" of a player is, but Klay Thomson is most likely 50 floors higher than Young's ceiling. Klay was one of the best shooters AND scorers in college, with 20PPG, 45% 3pt and 85% ft. Nothing about Young's college or NBA play has suggested he is headed towards Klaydom.
To be fair - there is no reason to expect a player drafted 19th in a so-so draft to be one of the best 3 shooters in the league. If he ever reaches Danny Green level - I will be jumping for Joy.
I would be happy if he ended up Anthony Morrow. A very very good outside shooter who is passable at other aspects of the game.
I'd be jumping with joy on Danny Green's level too.
The kid has a fantastic basketball body for a SG and a very good-looking stroke, ergo the high ceiling. On the other hand, he has not shown the best work ethic and was not able to deserve minutes on this year's squad. So, yeah, the Klay ceiling is a bit of day-dreaming.
By the way, Klay stayed 3 years in college. His first year in college was not much better than Young's. So, in turn, I am the one not knowing where the "Nothing about Young's college or NBA play has suggested he is headed towards Klaydom." comes from.
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You are right to point out the KT came into the league after 3 years. It is pointless to argue how high a players ceiling is (how many white guys with an outside shots were dubbed a potential Larry Bird, or Dirk Nowitzki).
I will just say that I am 6"1 and white, so when I was born, my ceiling was John Stockton. Unfortunately, things didn't quite work out that well.
James Young is tall, athletic and has a good shooter's touch, so he has a good chance of sticking in the league. If he every becomes anything more than a bench player - we are ahead of the curve.
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just an update on the celtics' battling crustaceans.
young: 9-18, 26 points, 15 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals and 6-10 from 3 point land
mickey: 7-15, 17 points, 9 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 5 blocks
rozier: 5-10, 16 points, 3 boards, 8 assists
a very good night all the way around for the kids.
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just an update on the celtics' battling crustaceans.
young: 9-18, 26 points, 15 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals and 6-10 from 3 point land
mickey: 7-15, 17 points, 9 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 5 blocks
rozier: 5-10, 16 points, 3 boards, 8 assists
a very good night all the way around for the kids.
lol are we still caring about what Young does in the D league?
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just an update on the celtics' battling crustaceans.
young: 9-18, 26 points, 15 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals and 6-10 from 3 point land
mickey: 7-15, 17 points, 9 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 5 blocks
rozier: 5-10, 16 points, 3 boards, 8 assists
a very good night all the way around for the kids.
lol are we still caring about what Young does in the D league?
why wouldnt we as celtics fans? people here frequently mention mickey's performances in maine. so it seems fair to include young and rozier as well.
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just an update on the celtics' battling crustaceans.
young: 9-18, 26 points, 15 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals and 6-10 from 3 point land
mickey: 7-15, 17 points, 9 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 5 blocks
rozier: 5-10, 16 points, 3 boards, 8 assists
a very good night all the way around for the kids.
lol are we still caring about what Young does in the D league?
why wouldnt we as celtics fans? people here frequently mention mickey's performances in maine. so it seems fair to include young and rozier as well.
because he's been killing it in the D league for a year. It doesn't really mean much.
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Way to go James!
Keep it up son!
You're not NBA ready...YET!
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I'm rooting for Young to figure it out. We knew he'd be a project when we drafted him, so I'm not surprised he's still in the D-League, but as long as he's there and tearing it up and not showing any signs of regression/giving up, I'm ok with it. That to me says his mind is in the right place and it's only a matter of time tell he puts it together.
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just an update on the celtics' battling crustaceans.
young: 9-18, 26 points, 15 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals and 6-10 from 3 point land
mickey: 7-15, 17 points, 9 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 5 blocks
rozier: 5-10, 16 points, 3 boards, 8 assists
a very good night all the way around for the kids.
lol are we still caring about what Young does in the D league?
why wouldnt we as celtics fans? people here frequently mention mickey's performances in maine. so it seems fair to include young and rozier as well.
because he's been killing it in the D league for a year. It doesn't really mean much.
It doesn't mean a lot, but I'd rather he be killing it down there than getting exposed.
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Young and Rozier recalled for trip to BKN/ATL with Smart not making the trip and Turner described as "available".
Mickey stays with Claws.
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Young and Rozier recalled for trip to BKN/ATL with Smart not making the trip and Turner described as "available".
Mickey stays with Claws.
Makes sense based on need. No need to call Mickey up to ride the pine.
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The other two prospects are looking more promising than Young.
Mickey is the most impressive imo. I saw him shoot a couple of threes against the Canton Charge... which to go along with everything else he does well, I think he has a very good chance to be our Draymond Green. Looking back I can see why he was given that historic contract by Danny Ainge, this kid rarely makes mistakes and a can do it all!.
Rozier, from what I seen from him, can seem hesitant on offense though his ball handling and quickness allows him to get into the paint, he takes too long to decide what he's going to do with the ball, he can finish at the rim pretty good and that jumpshot definitely looks better than Young's at this point.
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just an update on the celtics' battling crustaceans.
young: 9-18, 26 points, 15 boards, 4 assists, 2 steals and 6-10 from 3 point land
mickey: 7-15, 17 points, 9 boards, 2 assists, 2 steals, 5 blocks
rozier: 5-10, 16 points, 3 boards, 8 assists
a very good night all the way around for the kids.
lol are we still caring about what Young does in the D league?
maybe you should watch the games before you comment? i've seen him play many times in maine. young looks vastly improved over last year. he is playing physical ball on defense and on the boards - he's always had a sweet stroke, but he's visibly more muscular and aggressive now.
so instead of looking like a good d-league player, he's looking more like an NBA player.