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Report: Joe Tsai Urged To Reconsider Hiring Udoka
« on: November 07, 2022, 02:42:48 AM »

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As the Brooklyn Nets' tumultuous season continues, some are reportedly encouraging governor Joe Tsai not to hire suspended Boston Celtics head coach Ime Udoka to fill Brooklyn's open coaching position.

According to NBA reporter Marc Stein, "strong voices" have pushed Tsai to hire someone else to take over for fired head coach Steve Nash. That is especially the case "given the considerable turmoil Brooklyn has already faced this season."

ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski reported an independent law firm investigated the coach and "found that he used crude language in his dialogue with a female subordinate prior to the start of an improper workplace relationship with the woman."

What's more, he reportedly used "verbiage" that was "deemed especially concerning coming from a workplace superior" and made a reinstatement after just one season "difficult."
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Re: Report: Joe Tsai Urged To Reconsider Hiring Udoka
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2022, 02:49:24 AM »

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It just makes Udoka's story sound more terrifying than it originally is if they're pushing Tsai to reconsider it.

But of course, this is Joe Tsai's team and however he wants to manage it. He doesn't have to listen to their input. Then again, the Nets already have a P/R nightmare with everything that's going on in their team.

Joe, just hire Quinn Snyder and move on with everyone's lives lol.


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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2022, 04:07:05 AM »

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It just makes Udoka's story sound more terrifying than it originally is if they're pushing Tsai to reconsider it.

But of course, this is Joe Tsai's team and however he wants to manage it. He doesn't have to listen to their input. Then again, the Nets already have a P/R nightmare with everything that's going on in their team.

Joe, just hire Quinn Snyder and move on with everyone's lives lol.

Those people recommending against it probably think it's just going to be another distraction, another millstone around the Nets's neck, on top of all the other ones. Which it probably will be. They will have to keep answering questions about it, it will be a cloud over Udoka all season, and people will keep using it as an example of how their culture is going to the dogs and how they will sacrifice anything in the pursuit of winning. Like how they initially took the high ground suspending Cryrie because he didn't want to get vaxxed to comply with the New York law during the midst of Covid, only to relent and let him play away games when they started losing.

I know every team has their internal bar for how much of their ethics they are willing to sacrifice to win, but you don't want to be that obvious  :laugh:
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2022, 05:21:35 AM »

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Begs the question of who the 'strong voices' are - assume that Silver & the commish's office has to be one set of them, but who else? It's not going to be any of the Nets players, most likely.
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Money money money …

Just hire Jack the Ripper to take Adam Silvers place.

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Wonder if their "vetting" turned up that the story is worse. And if it comes out when signing him will be another black mark on the nets.

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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2022, 07:15:37 AM »

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Begs the question of who the 'strong voices' are - assume that Silver & the commish's office has to be one set of them, but who else? It's not going to be any of the Nets players, most likely.
Translation: Wyc to the other owners: “Udoka had improper relationship with wife of someone high up on the Cs food chain. Don’t hire him.”

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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2022, 07:25:36 AM »

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Professional sports are PR driven to a large extent.  If you want the public perception to be that you care about employees and the public at large, it's hard to sell a womanizer (?) as the head coach when he's *currently under suspension* for his workplace issues.  It's not like Ime has done his penance, or made amends. 

But, from a non-PR perspective, the Nets don't have to agree with the Celtics punishment.  Maybe they're convinced that the entire thing was more about perception than fairness and due process.  Maybe the Celtics were extra tough on Ime because they have a history of a hostile work environment that we don't know it.  It's impossible to know if the Nets are making a sensible basketball decision without knowing all of the facts.  But again, from a PR standpoint?  Terrible.


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Re: Report: Joe Tsai Urged To Reconsider Hiring Udoka
« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2022, 07:36:58 AM »

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Agreed with the above - teams are asking about the results because they're angling to hire him, not because they're concerned with a healthy workplace for their staff (although they should be).

Begs the question of who the 'strong voices' are - assume that Silver & the commish's office has to be one set of them, but who else? It's not going to be any of the Nets players, most likely.
Translation: Wyc to the other owners: “Udoka had improper relationship with wife of someone high up on the Cs food chain. Don’t hire him.”

Possible but unlikely based on what we do know from the ESPN story:
  • 'crude language in his dialogue with a female subordinate prior to the start of an improper workplace relationship with the woman'
  • 'verbiage on Udoka's part that was deemed especially concerning coming from a workplace superior'
Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time.

But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2022, 07:43:09 AM »

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Agreed with the above - teams are asking about the results because they're angling to hire him, not because they're concerned with a healthy workplace for their staff (although they should be).

Begs the question of who the 'strong voices' are - assume that Silver & the commish's office has to be one set of them, but who else? It's not going to be any of the Nets players, most likely.
Translation: Wyc to the other owners: “Udoka had improper relationship with wife of someone high up on the Cs food chain. Don’t hire him.”

Possible but unlikely based on what we do know from the ESPN story:
  • 'crude language in his dialogue with a female subordinate prior to the start of an improper workplace relationship with the woman'
  • 'verbiage on Udoka's part that was deemed especially concerning coming from a workplace superior'
Without knowing the full extent of the story, it is hard to say. It’s a Celtics only punishment, not a league mandated punishment. If he did something worse where “league circle” is telling another owner not to hire him, then what he did must have been criminal and Cs swept it under the rug. I can’t imagine it just being crude language that would have the league telling the Nets to hire him. Unless there’s a pettiness factor and the owners just saying “no, this guys needs to do his time”. I guess I don’t know anymore. This entire story is perplexing.
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Begs the question of who the 'strong voices' are - assume that Silver & the commish's office has to be one set of them, but who else? It's not going to be any of the Nets players, most likely.
Translation: Wyc to the other owners: “Udoka had improper relationship with wife of someone high up on the Cs food chain. Don’t hire him.”

If he did , that’s shows very low moral standards, emotional mental issues and little regard for respecting your employer and the contract you read and signed.

Well now ;long  as KD is happy ….I guess the owner of the Nets really wouldn’t mind Ime sleeping around with his wife ?
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Not surprised we are starting to hear a few more details come up with the Nets interest.

Sounds like the Nets and Nash agreed to part ways in sudden way, the Nets jumped at the opportunity to hire the guy they wanted to all along without properly vetting him, and now there is push back. I think the hire ups (with the Cs and around the league) were willing to keep things behind closed doors as long as Ime was serving his punishment; but now with him basically only get a 1+ month suspension and with the Nets falling apart, it seems like they are willing to leak a few details in order to push them in another direction.

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2022, 10:22:17 AM »

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Not surprised we are starting to hear a few more details come up with the Nets interest.

Sounds like the Nets and Nash agreed to part ways in sudden way, the Nets jumped at the opportunity to hire the guy they wanted to all along without properly vetting him, and now there is push back. I think the hire ups (with the Cs and around the league) were willing to keep things behind closed doors as long as Ime was serving his punishment; but now with him basically only get a 1+ month suspension and with the Nets falling apart, it seems like they are willing to leak a few details in order to push them in another direction.

According to that ESPN article, the internal investigation wrapped last week and teams have been making overtures to the C's about the outline of the investigation in order to size up the pushback to hiring Udoka - I'd bet anything that people involved in those discussions (teams trying to gauge things out with the C's) are the sources that Stein & Woj are relying on.
Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much—the wheel, New York, wars and so on—whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time.

But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man—for precisely the same reasons.

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The nets might have also been thinking the Celtics just overreacted to the Robert Sarver situation and now they might be finding out that’s not exactly the case.

The fact that the nets are attempting to do this in the middle of the Kyrie situation is nuts.  If I were to guess, since they finally got Kyrie to apologize  and he’s serving a suspension and taking ‘sensitivity training’ all these leaks were hearing about the nets ‘continuing the investigate Udoka’ and ‘finalizing a deal’ is just them stalling to allow enough time for the dust to settle around the Irving situation to lessen the PR blow when they finally have to announce Udoka
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I doubt it was the Celtics that told them to reconsider.   It looks like they just want to wash their hands of the situation.   


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