Udoka Facing Suspension/Udoka to Nets??

[Kernewek]

I seem to remember a line about a pen and company ink that feels appropriate here.

Sucks, but it is what it is.

[CelticSooner]

Full year suspension? What’s the point. Just fire him then, the damage has already been done. Now we go back to wondering if the team has any kind of chemistry. This really sucks 

[ozgod]

Part of what the Cs have to consider is even though (I'm assuming) both parties may have said it was consensual, when someone in a position of power has sexual relations with someone on their staff there's always a slippery slope. Especially in this #metoo era. The woman could always come out later and say she had been coerced (for all we know she could have), and file a lawsuit, and I think she would have a great chance (even if she hadn't been, I think he's opened himself up and put the Celtics in a position where they could face a future lawsuit). That's why inter-work relationships, especially with your staff, are never good things. Maybe 30 years ago when nobody gave a stuff but not today. Really bad judgment from Ime. It's always tough picking between your job and your love (or lust) but with that power dynamic, not to mention the fact that he was violating organization rules, he was playing with fire and he only has himself to blame for getting burned.

I'm not sure what kind of precedent there is in the league we could look to for guidance as to the penalty. Different people will have different opinions of it - some will say it's no big deal, they're two consenting adults, let them play hide the sausage if they want as long as our team keeps winning who cares. Others will think that Ime abused his power to have this intimate relationship with a staffer. Then there are the folks in the middle. But what matters is not our opinions but what the Celtics organizational rules are, and what the penalties for violating that would be. And from the reporting it appears that there are rules against it, and so having workplace affairs violated those rules. Just a matter of working out the punishment then.

[Ed Monix]

What sucks about the timing of the Udoka’s suspension, is that we are only months removed from Will Hardy being poached by Ainge.

Hardy would’ve been the perfect replacement, either short or long term.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Part of what the Cs have to consider is even though (I'm assuming) both parties may have said it was consensual, when someone in a position of power has sexual relations with someone on their staff there's always a slippery slope. Especially in this #metoo era. The woman could always come out later and say she had been coerced (for all we know she could have), and file a lawsuit, and I think she would have a great chance. That's why inter-work relationships, especially with your staff, are never good things. Maybe 30 years ago when nobody gave a stuff but not today. Really bad judgment from Ime. It's always tough picking between your job and your love (or lust) but with that power dynamic, not to mention the fact that he was violating organization rules, he was playing with fire and he only has himself to blame for getting burned.

I'm not sure what kind of precedent there is in the league we could look to for guidance as to the penalty. Different people will have different opinions of it - some will say it's no big deal, they're two consenting adults, let them play hide the sausage if they want as long as our team keeps winning who cares. Others will think that Ime abused his power to have this intimate relationship with a staffer. Then there are the folks in the middle. But what matters is not our opinions but what the Celtics organizational rules are, and what the penalties for violating that would be. And from the reporting it appears that there are rules against it, and so having workplace affairs violated those rules. Just a matter of working out the punishment then.

Here's the thing, who's to say it was from his staff? Unless I'm missing someone, coaching staff is all male for example. If you go through the Front Office list, hard to place a finger on a female member that Udoka would have power over.

So, begs the question... who is considered under the "team staff" umbrella?

[cltc5]

Shameful that this is being blown up if it’s potentially an affair.  It’s those adults business and should be worked out between themselves.  He’s not hurting the team.  You’re telling me everyone in the C’s organization is squeaky clean?  Lol gimmie a break.

[ozgod]

Part of what the Cs have to consider is even though (I'm assuming) both parties may have said it was consensual, when someone in a position of power has sexual relations with someone on their staff there's always a slippery slope. Especially in this #metoo era. The woman could always come out later and say she had been coerced (for all we know she could have), and file a lawsuit, and I think she would have a great chance. That's why inter-work relationships, especially with your staff, are never good things. Maybe 30 years ago when nobody gave a stuff but not today. Really bad judgment from Ime. It's always tough picking between your job and your love (or lust) but with that power dynamic, not to mention the fact that he was violating organization rules, he was playing with fire and he only has himself to blame for getting burned.

I'm not sure what kind of precedent there is in the league we could look to for guidance as to the penalty. Different people will have different opinions of it - some will say it's no big deal, they're two consenting adults, let them play hide the sausage if they want as long as our team keeps winning who cares. Others will think that Ime abused his power to have this intimate relationship with a staffer. Then there are the folks in the middle. But what matters is not our opinions but what the Celtics organizational rules are, and what the penalties for violating that would be. And from the reporting it appears that there are rules against it, and so having workplace affairs violated those rules. Just a matter of working out the punishment then.

Here's the thing, who's to say it was from his staff? Unless I'm missing someone, coaching staff is all male for example. If you go through the Front Office list, hard to place a finger on a female member that Udoka would have power over.

So, begs the question... who is considered under the "team staff" umbrella?

Individuals potentially involved shall not be named

[ozgod]

Shameful that this is being blown up if it’s potentially an affair.  It’s those adults business and should be worked out between themselves.  He’s not hurting the team.  You’re telling me everyone in the C’s organization is squeaky clean?  Lol gimmie a break.

The fact that it got out is interesting. I wonder who leaked it. Someone with an axe to grind or someone with a conscience, or was it a relationship going sour?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Part of what the Cs have to consider is even though (I'm assuming) both parties may have said it was consensual, when someone in a position of power has sexual relations with someone on their staff there's always a slippery slope. Especially in this #metoo era. The woman could always come out later and say she had been coerced (for all we know she could have), and file a lawsuit, and I think she would have a great chance. That's why inter-work relationships, especially with your staff, are never good things. Maybe 30 years ago when nobody gave a stuff but not today. Really bad judgment from Ime. It's always tough picking between your job and your love (or lust) but with that power dynamic, not to mention the fact that he was violating organization rules, he was playing with fire and he only has himself to blame for getting burned.

I'm not sure what kind of precedent there is in the league we could look to for guidance as to the penalty. Different people will have different opinions of it - some will say it's no big deal, they're two consenting adults, let them play hide the sausage if they want as long as our team keeps winning who cares. Others will think that Ime abused his power to have this intimate relationship with a staffer. Then there are the folks in the middle. But what matters is not our opinions but what the Celtics organizational rules are, and what the penalties for violating that would be. And from the reporting it appears that there are rules against it, and so having workplace affairs violated those rules. Just a matter of working out the punishment then.

Here's the thing, who's to say it was from his staff? Unless I'm missing someone, coaching staff is all male for example. If you go through the Front Office list, hard to place a finger on a female member that Udoka would have power over.

So, begs the question... who is considered under the "team staff" umbrella?

Allison Feaster comes to mind. I'm not sure who she reports to though.

She's been around since 2020 as Vice President Player Development and Organizational Growth and not someone who'd I'd consider Udoka having power over given her resume.

If we entertain she being the other party in this case, just as an hypothetical exercise, I would expect her to face some punishment as well.

And if that's the case, the punishment should be equal right?

[ozgod]

Part of what the Cs have to consider is even though (I'm assuming) both parties may have said it was consensual, when someone in a position of power has sexual relations with someone on their staff there's always a slippery slope. Especially in this #metoo era. The woman could always come out later and say she had been coerced (for all we know she could have), and file a lawsuit, and I think she would have a great chance. That's why inter-work relationships, especially with your staff, are never good things. Maybe 30 years ago when nobody gave a stuff but not today. Really bad judgment from Ime. It's always tough picking between your job and your love (or lust) but with that power dynamic, not to mention the fact that he was violating organization rules, he was playing with fire and he only has himself to blame for getting burned.

I'm not sure what kind of precedent there is in the league we could look to for guidance as to the penalty. Different people will have different opinions of it - some will say it's no big deal, they're two consenting adults, let them play hide the sausage if they want as long as our team keeps winning who cares. Others will think that Ime abused his power to have this intimate relationship with a staffer. Then there are the folks in the middle. But what matters is not our opinions but what the Celtics organizational rules are, and what the penalties for violating that would be. And from the reporting it appears that there are rules against it, and so having workplace affairs violated those rules. Just a matter of working out the punishment then.

Here's the thing, who's to say it was from his staff? Unless I'm missing someone, coaching staff is all male for example. If you go through the Front Office list, hard to place a finger on a female member that Udoka would have power over.

So, begs the question... who is considered under the "team staff" umbrella?

Allison Feaster comes to mind. I'm not sure who she reports to though.

She's been around since 2020 as Vice President Player Development and Organizational Growth and not someone who'd I'd consider Udoka having power over given her resume.

If we entertain she being the other party in this case, just as an hypothetical exercise, I would expect her to face some punishment as well.

And if that's the case, the punishment should be equal right?

If both parties violated the rules, I would expect penalties for both. Though maybe the female's punishment might not take the place of a suspension if she's not involved in games, but might be monetary. As I said I'm not sure if there is precedent in the league for this and if so what penalties were levied, or what punishment the Celtics organization has for such an offense but I would imagine if both were in breach of the rules both would be punished.

If only Ime is being punished, then the organization must have determined his culpability for the entire situation in some way.

[gouki88]

Yeah, unless we get some really serious details on this, I'm not buying the full season suspension... that's beyond dumb for having an affair. A consensual one at that.

This seems like a naive interpretation. Power dynamics make consent murky at best and impossible at worst. It creates a terrible environment for women, with a narrative that sleeping with the coach is a way to get ahead. Having an affair with someone you have power over is a huge no-no, and will get you canned from basically any job you can think of.

I couldn't care less.

Attitudes like this have led to innumerable instances of abuses of power get swept under the rug.

No. People ignoring when someone abuses their power is what gets swept under the rug. People not caring about 2 consensual adults having an affair is just that. If other details surface on this, then sure. But all we have to go for on here is that they had a consensual affair.

Other details, such as the employer in question thinking it problematic enough for a long-term suspension?

[Ed Monix]

Part of what the Cs have to consider is even though (I'm assuming) both parties may have said it was consensual, when someone in a position of power has sexual relations with someone on their staff there's always a slippery slope. Especially in this #metoo era. The woman could always come out later and say she had been coerced (for all we know she could have), and file a lawsuit, and I think she would have a great chance. That's why inter-work relationships, especially with your staff, are never good things. Maybe 30 years ago when nobody gave a stuff but not today. Really bad judgment from Ime. It's always tough picking between your job and your love (or lust) but with that power dynamic, not to mention the fact that he was violating organization rules, he was playing with fire and he only has himself to blame for getting burned.

I'm not sure what kind of precedent there is in the league we could look to for guidance as to the penalty. Different people will have different opinions of it - some will say it's no big deal, they're two consenting adults, let them play hide the sausage if they want as long as our team keeps winning who cares. Others will think that Ime abused his power to have this intimate relationship with a staffer. Then there are the folks in the middle. But what matters is not our opinions but what the Celtics organizational rules are, and what the penalties for violating that would be. And from the reporting it appears that there are rules against it, and so having workplace affairs violated those rules. Just a matter of working out the punishment then.

Here's the thing, who's to say it was from his staff? Unless I'm missing someone, coaching staff is all male for example. If you go through the Front Office list, hard to place a finger on a female member that Udoka would have power over.

So, begs the question... who is considered under the "team staff" umbrella?

Individuals potentially involved shall not be named

[ozgod]

Part of what the Cs have to consider is even though (I'm assuming) both parties may have said it was consensual, when someone in a position of power has sexual relations with someone on their staff there's always a slippery slope. Especially in this #metoo era. The woman could always come out later and say she had been coerced (for all we know she could have), and file a lawsuit, and I think she would have a great chance. That's why inter-work relationships, especially with your staff, are never good things. Maybe 30 years ago when nobody gave a stuff but not today. Really bad judgment from Ime. It's always tough picking between your job and your love (or lust) but with that power dynamic, not to mention the fact that he was violating organization rules, he was playing with fire and he only has himself to blame for getting burned.

I'm not sure what kind of precedent there is in the league we could look to for guidance as to the penalty. Different people will have different opinions of it - some will say it's no big deal, they're two consenting adults, let them play hide the sausage if they want as long as our team keeps winning who cares. Others will think that Ime abused his power to have this intimate relationship with a staffer. Then there are the folks in the middle. But what matters is not our opinions but what the Celtics organizational rules are, and what the penalties for violating that would be. And from the reporting it appears that there are rules against it, and so having workplace affairs violated those rules. Just a matter of working out the punishment then.

Here's the thing, who's to say it was from his staff? Unless I'm missing someone, coaching staff is all male for example. If you go through the Front Office list, hard to place a finger on a female member that Udoka would have power over.

So, begs the question... who is considered under the "team staff" umbrella?

Individuals potentially involved shall not be named

Individuals potentially involved shall not be named

[Csfan1984]

Tough one to put an opinion on but rules are rules.

[Neurotic Guy]

Suspension will make sense or people will be outraged by it soon enough.  In the meantime the only thing worth being upset about is the damper being placed on what had been the most highly anticipated season in a while.  We had and lost that excitement 5 minutes into GH’s first season and now it feels like it’s happening again before this one even starts.    I don’t really know what to hope for at this point other than some clarity about how this may impact the team.