2016 CB Draft: Discussion thread

[RJ87]

PG: Kris Dunn/Jerryd Bayless
SG: Greivis Vasquez
SF: Andrew Wiggins/Omri Casspi
PF: Kelly Olynyk
C: Demarcus Cousins/Nene Hilario

Starting Greivis at the 2 for now so I can put Wiggins at SF and shifting Omri to the bench. Still filling out my bench, but I think Bayless can play the 1 or 2, Omri can play off the bench at either forward position, and Nene can play spot minutes at 4 or 5. Trying to play with flexibility, but still have some holes to fill.

[snively]

Your Minnesota Timberwolves!

PG: Isaiah Thomas / Shelvin Mack   
SG: J.J.Redick  / Jamal Crawford   
SF: Maurice Harkless / Justin Anderson   
PF: Kevin Love / Boris Diaw   
C:  Robin Lopez / Cody Zeller / Jason Smith

Mk

I'd love seeing this team play. IT's speed and dynamism working with Love, Redick's hustle, secondary ball-handling and volume shooting. Lopez so active too and Zeller a great transition 5 behind him. And Harkless would enjoy a great offensive. boost as the leak out guy on fast breaks.

Diaw so fun for transition teams too with his positional versatility and passing.

Not crazy about Crawford with all that scoring already in your backcourt. I'd look to move him for another athletic wing.

Thanks for the feedback. This would be a fun team, not only to watch, I believe Wolves fans would love routing for a team like this, which would win 50-55 games each season.

I like Crawford as 6th man. IRL, he already plays with CP3, Redick, and Blake. I believes he balances the scoring out with the second unit.

Mk

IT is much more of a scorer than CP3 and a much worse defender - hard to play him with Crawford. I just don't think that pairing works.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

After 11 rounds:

C: Jonas Valanciunas / David Lee

F: Karl-Anthony Towns / Mike Scott

F: Wilson Chandler / Quincy Pondexter

G: Khris Middleton / Jonathon Simmons

G: Derrick Rose / Shaun Livingston / Ty Lawson

Whatt'ya guys think?

[Rondo2287]

After 11 rounds:

C: Jonas Valanciunas / David Lee

F: Karl-Anthony Towns / Mike Scott

F: Wilson Chandler / Quincy Pondexter

G: Khris Middleton / Jonathon Simmons

G: Derrick Rose / Shaun Livingston / Ty Lawson

Whatt'ya guys think?

I think you need PG help need a better third stronger than lawson

[Yoki_IsTheName]

After 11 rounds:

C: Jonas Valanciunas / David Lee

F: Karl-Anthony Towns / Mike Scott

F: Wilson Chandler / Quincy Pondexter

G: Khris Middleton / Jonathon Simmons

G: Derrick Rose / Shaun Livingston / Ty Lawson

Whatt'ya guys think?

I think you need PG help need a better third stronger than lawson

Wait, you mean I need one more PG? I have three really good ones (two of them are questionable health and mentality wise but really good none the less), I still need help there?

[snively]

After 11 rounds:

C: Jonas Valanciunas / David Lee

F: Karl-Anthony Towns / Mike Scott

F: Wilson Chandler / Quincy Pondexter

G: Khris Middleton / Jonathon Simmons

G: Derrick Rose / Shaun Livingston / Ty Lawson

Whatt'ya guys think?

I think you need PG help need a better third stronger than lawson

Wait, you mean I need one more PG? I have three really good ones (two of them are questionable health and mentality wise but really good none the less), I still need help there?

I think you'll find the prevailing consensus to be that both guys are toast, akin to the C's grabbing Starbury in 2009.

[RJ87]

After 11 rounds:

C: Jonas Valanciunas / David Lee

F: Karl-Anthony Towns / Mike Scott

F: Wilson Chandler / Quincy Pondexter

G: Khris Middleton / Jonathon Simmons

G: Derrick Rose / Shaun Livingston / Ty Lawson

Whatt'ya guys think?

I think you need PG help need a better third stronger than lawson

Wait, you mean I need one more PG? I have three really good ones (two of them are questionable health and mentality wise but really good none the less), I still need help there?

I think you'll find the prevailing consensus to be that both guys are toast, akin to the C's grabbing Starbury in 2009.

Derrick shows flashes, but he's refused to adapt his game post-injury. So you basically get 1 of 3 D.Rose's: 1-Injured, 2-Uninjured But Mediocre, 3-Flashes of MVP... Unforunately, D.Rose #2 is what you're most likely to get for most stretches.

As far as Ty Lawson, I have no confidence in his ability to bounce back into form. Small guys age badly, and it's even worse when it's accelerated by alcohol abuse.

But Shaun Livingston is legit. I actually think you should start him.

[green_bballers13]

Toronto Raptors after 11:

pg: steph curry, marcus smart
sg: smart, jaylen brown, paul pierce, ray allen
sf: james johnson, brown, dunleavy, pierce
pf: patrick patterson, carl landry, ersan illyasova, bobby portis, kg, james johnson
c: brook lopez, patterson, portis, kg

What I like about this team is that there's a lot of versatility- multiple players can defend multiple positions. Besides a backup pg, backup 7fter, and lebron james, what else do you think is wrong with the Raptors?

[airbelinelli]

PG: Kris Dunn/Jerryd Bayless
SG: Greivis Vasquez
SF: Andrew Wiggins/Omri Casspi
PF: Kelly Olynyk
C: Demarcus Cousins/Nene Hilario

Starting Greivis at the 2 for now so I can put Wiggins at SF and shifting Omri to the bench. Still filling out my bench, but I think Bayless can play the 1 or 2, Omri can play off the bench at either forward position, and Nene can play spot minutes at 4 or 5. Trying to play with flexibility, but still have some holes to fill.

I like the idea here, but wish you had built this roster without trading down so much. I think you're asking a lot of wiggins to be the second banana next to Cousins. He hasn't yet shown that takeover offensive ability, and I don't think the pieces still available will be able to give you the depth needed to cover.

I do however really like the Kelly/DMC big man combo, and if Dunn and Wiggins blow up I'll be eating my words.

[RJ87]

Toronto Raptors after 11:

pg: steph curry, marcus smart
sg: smart, jaylen brown, paul pierce, ray allen
sf: james johnson, brown, dunleavy, pierce
pf: patrick patterson, carl landry, ersan illyasova, bobby portis, kg, james johnson
c: brook lopez, patterson, portis, kg

What I like about this team is that there's a lot of versatility- multiple players can defend multiple positions. Besides a backup pg, backup 7fter, and lebron james, what else do you think is wrong with the Raptors?

I like the Curry/Smart backcourt A LOT, but you're 2 guard rotation scares me. Brown might be able to give you minutes there, but Pierce is more of a small-ball PF at this point in his career than he is as a SG. Ray Allen may not even come out of retirement.

[RJ87]

PG: Kris Dunn/Jerryd Bayless
SG: Greivis Vasquez
SF: Andrew Wiggins/Omri Casspi
PF: Kelly Olynyk
C: Demarcus Cousins/Nene Hilario

Starting Greivis at the 2 for now so I can put Wiggins at SF and shifting Omri to the bench. Still filling out my bench, but I think Bayless can play the 1 or 2, Omri can play off the bench at either forward position, and Nene can play spot minutes at 4 or 5. Trying to play with flexibility, but still have some holes to fill.

I like the idea here, but wish you had built this roster without trading down so much. I think you're asking a lot of wiggins to be the second banana next to Cousins. He hasn't yet shown that takeover offensive ability, and I don't think the pieces still available will be able to give you the depth needed to cover.

I do however really like the Kelly/DMC big man combo, and if Dunn and Wiggins blow up I'll be eating my words.

My rebuttal without taking away from my eagerly anticipated press conference: Wiggins has already proven he can be a 20 point scorer in the league. I think second banana is exactly where he should be - pairing him with a dominant big man should open up things more for him (as we saw glimpses of last year with him next to KAT).

[Celts Fan 508]

After 11 rounds:

C: Jonas Valanciunas / David Lee

F: Karl-Anthony Towns / Mike Scott

F: Wilson Chandler / Quincy Pondexter

G: Khris Middleton / Jonathon Simmons

G: Derrick Rose / Shaun Livingston / Ty Lawson

Whatt'ya guys think?

I think you need PG help need a better third stronger than lawson

Wait, you mean I need one more PG? I have three really good ones (two of them are questionable health and mentality wise but really good none the less), I still need help there?

I think you'll find the prevailing consensus to be that both guys are toast, akin to the C's grabbing Starbury in 2009.

I agree with this, DRose should absolutely be on your bench, both he and Lawson are a shell of their former selves.

I really like the KAT-Jonas-Mike Scott bigs combo and Middleton as a shooting guard, but maybe try to trade for a better point guard before this is over would be my only suggestion.

[snively]

Toronto Raptors after 11:

pg: steph curry, marcus smart
sg: smart, jaylen brown, paul pierce, ray allen
sf: james johnson, brown, dunleavy, pierce
pf: patrick patterson, carl landry, ersan illyasova, bobby portis, kg, james johnson
c: brook lopez, patterson, portis, kg

What I like about this team is that there's a lot of versatility- multiple players can defend multiple positions. Besides a backup pg, backup 7fter, and lebron james, what else do you think is wrong with the Raptors?

Really like Patterson and Johnson - badly needed infusion of defensive ability.

Your big problem now is possessions. Patterson/Lopez is a bad rebounding tandem. And their back-ups are either too old, too gimpy or too green.

Then on the wings you have a bunch of old fogies who will struggle to rebound or create turnovers. Leaves you very dependent on 3 guys - Smart/Johnson/Brown - with major shooting/scoring issues for D and quickness, which really crowds the court for your 2 big guns.

[Rondo2287]

Melo lighting it up tonight in the olympics

[Yoki_IsTheName]

After 11 rounds:

C: Jonas Valanciunas / David Lee

F: Karl-Anthony Towns / Mike Scott

F: Wilson Chandler / Quincy Pondexter

G: Khris Middleton / Jonathon Simmons

G: Derrick Rose / Shaun Livingston / Ty Lawson

Whatt'ya guys think?

I think you need PG help need a better third stronger than lawson

Wait, you mean I need one more PG? I have three really good ones (two of them are questionable health and mentality wise but really good none the less), I still need help there?

I think you'll find the prevailing consensus to be that both guys are toast, akin to the C's grabbing Starbury in 2009.

I agree with this, DRose should absolutely be on your bench, both he and Lawson are a shell of their former selves.

I really like the KAT-Jonas-Mike Scott bigs combo and Middleton as a shooting guard, but maybe try to trade for a better point guard before this is over would be my only suggestion.

I just feel the need to defend my guy here.

1. Derrick Rose isn't toast. He's not 2011 Rose either, but I'm not going there. This is a guy who averaged 17.3 points, 3.1 rebounds. 4.6 assists, 0.7 steals, shooting 46.8% and 37.5% from 3PT.

That is on a team in which the fit is horrible and the spacing is suspect. He'll have a much more open room to operate with this team, and he doesn't have to share the court with a fellow ball dominant guy. He can take the reigns here again and be effective.

During that timeline, he had a stretch of three games where he dropped 28, 26 and 24 points respectively, all shooting well above 50%. He also had a 30 point game (he had two this year actually, one is pre all-star) in that span.

2. Derrick Rose also played 66 games, there is some optimism here that he can stay relatively healthy.

3. He's not toast. Not yet.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5nh7hy0d_c

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V76fOxfsCZo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4S8WYpCSoA

4. If all else doesn't work, there's ever reliable Shaun Livingston who can be a reliable starter, as he shown in last season's Playoffs. Ty Lawson has some issues, but he's ultra talented in his own right, and is a really good 3rd PG option.


Edit: I forgot to mention that those stats are after the All-Star break. Sorry... I had it in mind and forgot to mention it. My apologies.