2016 CB Draft: Discussion thread

[wdleehi]

The Now Knicks

PG  Irving
SG C. Lee
SF Shabazz Muhammad
PF Marcus Morris
C  Drummond

[Gainesville Celtic]

Dallas Mavericks

PG - Kemba Walker
SG - (Got my eye on someone... worse-comes-to-worse Coach Carlisle becomes player-coach)
SF - Otto Porter
PF - Derrick Favors
C - Marcin Gortat

6th man - Zach Randloph

I like the size.  Should contend for playoffs in a vacuum.   Lacks that playoff go to guy.

yeah huh? uh...

[KGs Knee]

Charlotte Hornets

Coach: Steve Clifford

F- Andrew Bogut
F- Al Horford
F- Chandler Parsons
G- JR Smith
G- Mike Conley Jr

6th Man- Tyler Johnson


I dunno, I really like this team.

Just missing a good combo forward so you can get Horford some more time at the 5 (not hard since Bogut is such a short minute guy nowadays).

Parsons is actually pretty good as a small ball 4 if Horford needs minutes at the 5.

Not on the boards. Especially since Charlotte is pretty small with their guard rotation already.

Well, Parsons averaged the same number of defensive rebounds per game (4.2 DRPG) as guys like Gallinari, Marcus Morris, Harrison Barnes, ect..  So he's not totally devoid of that ability. He just offers next to nothing on the offensive glass.

[KGs Knee]

The Now Knicks

PG  Irving
SG C. Lee
SF Shabazz Muhammad
PF Marcus Morris
C  Drummond

Other than Shabazz, who I thought was a bit of a reach, I really like this team.

Plenty of spacing for Kyrie to do his thing, and the Drummond/Morris pairing is very stout as a defensive small ball unit.

I might look for a bit of a more traditional PF to match up with bigger front courts, and a bit more play making on the wings, though.  As is, I think you're probably a lock for a playoff spot, at the moment.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Oh, me too, Mr. Me too.

C: Jonas Valanciunas
F: Karl-Anthony Towns
F: Wilson Chandler
G: Khris Middleton
G: Derrick Rose

What ya guys think?

[snively]

Charlotte Hornets

Coach: Steve Clifford

F- Andrew Bogut
F- Al Horford
F- Chandler Parsons
G- JR Smith
G- Mike Conley Jr

6th Man- Tyler Johnson


I dunno, I really like this team.

Just missing a good combo forward so you can get Horford some more time at the 5 (not hard since Bogut is such a short minute guy nowadays).

Parsons is actually pretty good as a small ball 4 if Horford needs minutes at the 5.

Not on the boards. Especially since Charlotte is pretty small with their guard rotation already.

Well, Parsons averaged the same number of defensive rebounds per game (4.2 DRPG) as guys like Gallinari, Marcus Morris, Harrison Barnes, ect..  So he's not totally devoid of that ability. He just offers next to nothing on the offensive glass.

I  think Parsons works as a small-ball 4 next to a paint behemoth, but next to Horford and a bunch of small guards, I think it opens up too many problems on the defensive glass while completely waving the white flag on the glass on the other end.

Obviously there are offensive advantages that might make it worth it, but a combo forward with a bit more beef or hustle I think would bring that group together better.

[snively]

Oh, me too, Mr. Me too.

C: Jonas Valanciunas
F: Karl-Anthony Towns
F: Wilson Chandler
G: Khris Middleton
G: Derrick Rose

What ya guys think?

I like it until Rose. The size 2-5 is pretty remarkable - very intimidating on both ends. But I think Rose actively makes his teams worse by sucking possessions away from more efficient teammates and playing poor defense. As a 6th man he might be salvageable, but I'd keep him away from your starters.

[Bucketgetter]

Sacramento Kings

Damian Lillard
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Kawhi Leonard
Marvin Williams
John Henson

What do ya'll think? I tried getting a better Center, but I shouldn't have missed my pick. Overall I think Henson does what I want though, Shot blocker, good PnR defender, athletic. I was going for Capela.

[KGs Knee]

Charlotte Hornets

Coach: Steve Clifford

F- Andrew Bogut
F- Al Horford
F- Chandler Parsons
G- JR Smith
G- Mike Conley Jr

6th Man- Tyler Johnson


I dunno, I really like this team.

Just missing a good combo forward so you can get Horford some more time at the 5 (not hard since Bogut is such a short minute guy nowadays).

Parsons is actually pretty good as a small ball 4 if Horford needs minutes at the 5.

Not on the boards. Especially since Charlotte is pretty small with their guard rotation already.

Well, Parsons averaged the same number of defensive rebounds per game (4.2 DRPG) as guys like Gallinari, Marcus Morris, Harrison Barnes, ect..  So he's not totally devoid of that ability. He just offers next to nothing on the offensive glass.

I  think Parsons works as a small-ball 4 next to a paint behemoth, but next to Horford and a bunch of small guards, I think it opens up too many problems on the defensive glass while completely waving the white flag on the glass on the other end.

Obviously there are offensive advantages that might make it worth it, but a combo forward with a bit more beef or hustle I think would bring that group together better.

Fair enough.  I don't quite see it that way, rebounding seems to correlate with winning less and less in the NBA with each passing year.

That said, it's not like I intend on ignoring the matter either.  But if the biggest criticism of my team is rebounding when I'm going small, I can live with that.

TP for your thoughts!

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Sacramento Kings

Damian Lillard
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
Kawhi Leonard
Marvin Williams
John Henson

What do ya'll think? I tried getting a better Center, but I shouldn't have missed my pick. Overall I think Henson does what I want though, Shot blocker, good PnR defender, athletic. I was going for Capela.

Love the defense on from the wings. KCP relieves Lillard vs elite PG's himself. Henson should do a fine enough job protecting the paint and not have to worry about offensive production with Lillard and Kawhi being able to carry the load.

Love this team. Great job.

[KGs Knee]

Oh, me too, Mr. Me too.

C: Jonas Valanciunas
F: Karl-Anthony Towns
F: Wilson Chandler
G: Khris Middleton
G: Derrick Rose

What ya guys think?

I'm with Snively, Derrick Rose just really....ugh....IDK.

He just hasn't adjusted his game to his lack of explosiveness to stay effective.  It's like he refuses to accept reality.  Take a guy like Wade, he's accepted his athleticism is gone and developed that "old man" game, and as a result is still a very effective player even in his advanced age.  Rose needs a new bag of tricks or he won't be around much longer.

But don't worry Yoki, 2-5 that is an excellent lineup.  Maybe seek out a trade or try to find a PG in the next round, if there are any decent one's left.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Oh, me too, Mr. Me too.

C: Jonas Valanciunas
F: Karl-Anthony Towns
F: Wilson Chandler
G: Khris Middleton
G: Derrick Rose

What ya guys think?

I like it until Rose. The size 2-5 is pretty remarkable - very intimidating on both ends. But I think Rose actively makes his teams worse by sucking possessions away from more efficient teammates and playing poor defense. As a 6th man he might be salvageable, but I'd keep him away from your starters.

Yeah, the Rose defensive issues needs to be addressed in the next few rounds, but as far as sucking possessions, I think this is a team in which he could do it once in a while and not have a worry.

Outside of Karl-Anthony Towns, the rest of the team aren't ball dominant players, and don't need to be ball dominant to be effective. He can be high usage on this team and not have a dropoff in production with the rest of the team.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Oh, me too, Mr. Me too.

C: Jonas Valanciunas
F: Karl-Anthony Towns
F: Wilson Chandler
G: Khris Middleton
G: Derrick Rose

What ya guys think?

I'm with Snively, Derrick Rose just really....ugh....IDK.

He just hasn't adjusted his game to his lack of explosiveness to stay effective.  It's like he refuses to accept reality.  Take a guy like Wade, he's accepted his athleticism is gone and developed that "old man" game, and as a result is still a very effective player even in his advanced age.  Rose needs a new bag of tricks or he won't be around much longer.

He did average 16 a game this year, three times he dropped 30 or more, on a team in which the fit is just horrible for both him and Jimmy Butler. He averaged 21.9 points, 5 rebounds, 6 assists on 44% shooting in March last year, and looked like the Rose of old.

We can say this is a better fit team for his style, even though that style has lost half a step. The D-Rose is still there, maybe not as explosive, but it's still there. The fit on last year's RL Bulls was just horrible for him, having a teammate who pretty much plays the same style as him. Not on this team, where's he's surrounded by shooters and a big man who doesn't pound the ball fro 5-7 seconds to be effective.

[Kane3387]

Cleveland Cavaliers

 C: Greg Monroe
PF: Serge Ibaka
SF: Joe Johnson
SG: Brandon Knight
PG: Andre Igoudala

Bench:

Kyle Korver

Feel free to discuss more 

[nickagneta]

After five rounds the Oklahoma City Thunder

PG: Jeff Teague
SG: Rodney Hood
SF: C. J. Miles
PF: Draymond Green
C: Mason Plumlee

Bench: Ryan Anderson

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