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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Tr1boy on April 24, 2018, 11:25:04 PM
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Just ask Giannis lol
Those sky offensive rebounds are not too shabby either
Once he gets more comfortable on the offensive end, he should be solid in that area as well
Excellent 2nd round pick
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I’m glad he hit a three for our first field goal. He needs to just keep plugging away!
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Jesusemilore Talodabijesu Ojeleye!
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Just ask Giannis lol
Those sky offensive rebounds are not too shabby either
Once he gets more comfortable on the offensive end, he should be solid in that area as well
Excellent 2nd round pick
He's a long way from anything resmebling solid on the offenisve end right now, comfrot level side. That said hes been a nice pick. Solid 3(assuming it ever starts falling) and D potential.
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Ojeleye has a history of being a good shooter-not like a bad shooter trying to get better but a shooter trying to recover
ROLLIE MASSIMINO always used to say "there is always a place on my team for a guy that plays defense"
Down and dirty help pressure defense- "down in the stance,slide those feet"-"Help right ,help left watch the screen-he drilled communication into an era of silence on defense
Marcus has the perfect build ,upper body and lower body to get over screens he just dips that shoulder and he has the length that semi doesn't have
Ojeleye a rookie starts a critical 5th game in Boston-that says it all to the naysayers
Celts win, a critical defensive change because Brad adjusted ,Marcus came back and Ojeleye stepped up or if you prefer "stayed down and moved his feet"
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Semi and Smart - 2 adjustments that won the crutial game 5.
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He belongs on the rotation as long as he can play D at a solid level. D will come soon. Having Smart around him will boost his confidence.
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Great defensive game by Semi. Giannis seems to be tailor made for him, as opposed to a Middleton, since he struggles with his shot and wants to attack the basket. Semi, who likes to give a cushion to most players, has the lateral quickness to stay in front of Giannis and the strength to maintain good position. Obviously he needs to improve a lot offensively so hopefully a summer of really working on his shot, especially those corner 3's, translates to on-court results.
As an aside, I'm really surprised at how ineffective Morris has been this series defending Giannis. So much so that Brad seems to rarely put him on him, instead opting for Horford or Semi being the primary defender.
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Great adjustment to the starting lineup by Brad last night. Semi gives us excellent versatility on defense. He has the potential to be a really nice 3 & D player in the NBA. I also loved our full court pressure on Dellevedova It will be interesting to see how the Bucks adjust in game 6.
If I'm on the other side I still feel confident about game 6. The Bucks still missed some open opportunities and forced a ton of turnovers.
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Semi and Smart - 2 adjustments that won the crutial game 5.
We ll need all,their physical emotion and energy to have any chance of a win in Mil.
Thong gives us headache because of his youth energy , he plays way harder than Henson , and we have to have equal number of energy guys to match their youth .
Without Skill guys of Hayward and Kyrie to make buckets , Celtics have to rely on hustle on defense and offense to produce buckets .
Celtics played it smart and gave the freak all the shots he did not want ....dare him and make him pass the ball .
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I also loved our full court pressure on Dellevedova
Yeah, the pressure applied by Rozier and Larkin on him were huge. Another key defensively was Smart on Middleton. He made him work hard for everything and has the physicality to knock him of his spots.
One adjustment we might have to do is not playing Larkin when Middleton is in. The Bucks are going right after him by getting the switch in PNR's and then attacking him with Middleton in the mismatch. His ability to rise and shoot over the smaller Larkin is nightmare to deal with.
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I also loved our full court pressure on Dellevedova
Yeah, the pressure applied by Rozier and Larkin on him were huge. Another key defensively was Smart on Middleton. He made him work hard for everything and has the physicality to knock him of his spots.
One adjustment we might have to do is not playing Larkin when Middleton is in. The Bucks are going right after him by getting the switch in PNR's and then attacking him with Middleton in the mismatch. His ability to rise and shoot over the smaller Larkin is nightmare to deal with.
You are absolutely right about Larkin. It's becoming popular to bash him but I still believe he can provide a positive contribution with a slight reduction in minutes. I wouldn't mind seeing his minutes cut down from 14 to 8 or 9. His physical limitations are just too much when Middleton is in the lineup.
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Great D by Semi - just stay in front of Giannis and force him to hit an outside shot
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He's just so darn strong and moves his feet well. Yesterday he has getting smart about using his hands, too, including that jump ball with Giannis. Really strong work.
If he can get consistent hitting spot-up 3's, he'll have a role in the NBA for a long time.
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Offensive fouls-the playoffs may be just what semi needs with his strength and lateral and refs allowing physical games.
I hope the refs get reviewed on that missed charge and even the 2nd was questionable.
Next time, Semi might get the benefit of the call because they get clued in to his lateral speed and willingness to take a hit.And he doesn't flop.
.Semi keeps his shoulders squared and head straight with no flinching.All the refs need is to be clued in, maybe those two calls will pay dividends in game 6.
I don't think anyone will disagree that Semi also boxes out often and well.
The Greek is so used to his first step and players unable to back peddle or slide with him,
then combine that with bulk,strength and low center of gravity.
He really is an imposing figure in his stance.
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He's just so darn strong and moves his feet well. Yesterday he has getting smart about using his hands, too, including that jump ball with Giannis. Really strong work.
If he can get consistent hitting spot-up 3's, he'll have a role in the NBA for a long time.
at first I misread he is so darn long.... hehe. Which he is not
Semi is basically Jae Crowder part 2 + more explosiveness. And you can tell by his quicker footwork, rise up high for offensive rebounds
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He's just so darn strong and moves his feet well. Yesterday he has getting smart about using his hands, too, including that jump ball with Giannis. Really strong work.
If he can get consistent hitting spot-up 3's, he'll have a role in the NBA for a long time.
at first I misread he is so darn long.... hehe. Which he is not
Semi is basically Jae Crowder part 2 + more explosiveness. And you can tell by his quicker footwork, rise up high for offensive rebounds
That's the hope. Defensive switchability, a reliable 3 point shot and then he can work on those Crowder line drives to the basket where his strength should help him to finish. That would be a terrific outcome for him.
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I said it before and i say it again
The freak is scared to death facing the determinator , Semi totally lock him down, again.
game 6 just watch, Geniis will call switch every possesion to avoid Semi
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Three more years ;D
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Semi exposed him for the most part as well.
All Giannis does is barrel his way inside with NO control and hope for the calls (which he gets). Those two blocking fouls on Semi were clearly fouls on Giannis.
But Semi was sensational throughout. Never made it easy for Giannis.
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When you defend like Semi, both mentally and physically you get the benefit of a doubt concerning your offense.
For me, the success of Semi is a feel-good story.
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Refs were letting Giannis be a bowling ball, should have been two obvious charges on Giannis when he ran over Semi.
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When you defend like Semi, both mentally and physically you get the benefit of a doubt concerning your offense.
I agree 100%. If you are Semi, you have one job, slow down the freak. If you do even a decent job at that, we don't need you to be a hero on offense. Just play smart and not turn it over when you have the ball. Basically do your job on both sides of the ball. He obviously did that well.
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When you defend like Semi, both mentally and physically you get the benefit of a doubt concerning your offense.
I agree 100%. If you are Semi, you have one job, slow down the freak. If you do even a decent job at that, we don't need you to be a hero on offense. Just play smart and not turn it over when you have the ball. Basically do your job on both sides of the ball. He obviously did that well.
Yup, on offense we need Semi to
- set some decent screens
- when getting the ball don't turn it over and keep it moving
- make wide-open 3s
- once in a great while cut to the basket to keep them honest
- otherwise stay out of the way
Pretty slim set of responsibilities.
I really like the increased use of Semi as a defensive specialist against Giannis after trying him and Yabu out the first couple games. We can afford one low-offense guy, so as long as he's not out with Baynes it works well with what we're trying to do. And Semi did a great job keeping his poise and staying in his role last game.
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An unappreciated note in all this: you have to admire Stevens for the call.
It takes some serious stones to take an offensively challenged benchwarmer who's never started an NBA game in his life, and make him a focal point of strategy in game 5 of a 2-2 playoff series. Especially playing at home, I think a lot of coaches would just hope for "good enough to win."
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When you defend like Semi, both mentally and physically you get the benefit of a doubt concerning your offense.
I agree 100%. If you are Semi, you have one job, slow down the freak. If you do even a decent job at that, we don't need you to be a hero on offense. Just play smart and not turn it over when you have the ball. Basically do your job on both sides of the ball. He obviously did that well.
Yup, on offense we need Semi to
- set some decent screens
- when getting the ball don't turn it over and keep it moving
- make wide-open 3s
- once in a great while cut to the basket to keep them honest
- otherwise stay out of the way
Pretty slim set of responsibilities.
I really like the increased use of Semi as a defensive specialist against Giannis after trying him and Yabu out the first couple games. We can afford one low-offense guy, so as long as he's not out with Baynes it works well with what we're trying to do. And Semi did a great job keeping his poise and staying in his role last game.
I actually believe Semi has a higher ceiling than I expected. His defense is definitely a lot better than I anticipated, and I'm excited to see how he works on his offense in the off-season. I would like to see him make more passes and swing the ball more, but that will come in time once he gets more PT, and gets acclimated.
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Semi looks like a mini truck already... I wonder how much bigger/stronger he can get without hampering his explosiveness
what is he now 240? Would be interesting to see what happens if he can bump this up to 250
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Semi looks like a mini truck already... I wonder how much bigger/stronger he can get without hampering his explosiveness
what is he now 240? Would be interesting to see what happens if he can bump this up to 250
needs to work on his biceps .....LOL
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Semi looks like a mini truck already... I wonder how much bigger/stronger he can get without hampering his explosiveness
what is he now 240? Would be interesting to see what happens if he can bump this up to 250
That is a horrible idea. Who do you want him to guard, Shaq? He’s more than big and strong enough already and he’d probably be more explosive by losing a few lbs rather than gaining them.
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
For that, you get Giannis looking behind his shoulder wondering "where is Ojeleye?" in return :)
If those step backs weren't working for him he would have no logical continuation of his game against Semi last night. HE would either shoot long twos or try to bulldoze to the rim again. And he doesn't like to create contact with Semi if he doesn't necessarily need to. (It hurts after some time, I am sure)
Referees were ready not to blow 2 charges again, his drives weren't effective initially, then he missed a baseline long 2...I feel like those stepbacks saved him.
Semi should just play his game and even spray some threes, even if they aren't hitting the bottom of the net.
I feel like he is in Giannis's consciousness. Like he is very aware of him.
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Brad is in a tough spot going into game 7. Semi gives us defensive versatility but is his inability to make any plays on offense worth the trade off? Giannis was much more prepared this time around. Rozier's hot start also made our offense look better than it was truly playing early in the first quarter of game 6.
Part of me wants to see us go back to Baynes for game 7. He has a better grasp of the offense than Semi, sets excellent picks, and gives us a clear rebounding advantage. Last night we lost the rebounding battle for the first time in this series. Baynes hasn't looked good but game 3 was the only game where he was a major negative in the box score.
I could be wrong but I feel the best version of this team features Baynes playing well with the starters. It's very important for Terry, Jaylen, and Tatum to feel comfortable attacking the rim early in game 7. There is simply more to work with when we have Hoford and Baynes in the P&R.
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I would go back to starting Baynes but get Semi in by the 6 min mark of 1st quarter. Semi is doing a good job...Freak is a tough cover because he walks and travels so much. LOL
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I would go back to starting Baynes but get Semi in by the 6 min mark of 1st quarter. Semi is doing a good job...Freak is a tough cover because he walks and travels so much. LOL
Sounds about right to me. Semi still has a valuable role to play against Giannis. I prefer Baynes as the starter because he gives us the opportunity to be the best version of ourselves. Staying with Semi is essentially conceding that we are going to allow the Bucks to dictate our lineups. The results on offense in games 5 and 6 were very underwhelming. It's absolutely crucial that Brown and Tatum find some sort of rhythm early in the first quarter. I'm tired of watching indecisive basketball.
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This is a great debate. That being said, Baynes seems to just get blown by or shot over EVERY time Giannis wants to do so. He does NOT do that vs. Semi!!
I think we have to stick with Semi and KNOW that our "scorers" (Jaylen, Terry, and the Marcus boys) simply canNOT shoot a combined 18-55 overall and 6-25 from three and have the LUXURY of having our non-offensive Giannis' stopper on the court.
They HAVE to shoot better OR we will lose one our few home game sevens in our history!!
Smitty77
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This is a great debate. That being said, Baynes seems to just get blown by or shot over EVERY time Giannis wants to do so. He does NOT do that vs. Semi!!
I think we have to stick with Semi and KNOW that our "scorers" (Jaylen, Terry, and the Marcus boys) simply canNOT shoot a combined 18-55 overall and 6-25 from three and have the LUXURY of having our non-offensive Giannis' stopper on the court.
They HAVE to shoot better OR we will lose one our few home game sevens in our history!!
Smitty77
It really is a nice debate. You make valid points. I guess my major concern is that I'm not sure our best players will find a rhythm early with Semi in the starting lineup.
Baynes is definitely a major liability when he is forced to switch onto Giannis on the perimeter. He does a serviceable job of making Giannis work hard if the catch is inside of 15 feet.
At the end of the day I value finding an offensive rhythm for the first 5 minutes more than stopping Giannis. It would be great to replicate our first quarter scoring from games 1 & 2. Either way hopefully we will see Jaylen and Tatum show some assertiveness right from the jump. We need strong drives to the paint early and often.
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Semi has done a fine job on Giannis but the Freak still had 31 points on 23 shots last night. We're not talking about the value of shutting down the opposition's best player we're talking about the value of playing him as well as anyone else but where he still puts up MVP numbers.
If that's the case, I need to see more than 1 FGA in 21 minutes. Maybe he was told "Don't worry about shooting" but if you're on the court, you're a basketball player. I'd like to see Semi try a little more than what we've seen.
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Semi has done a fine job on Giannis but the Freak still had 31 points on 23 shots last night. We're not talking about the value of shutting down the opposition's best player we're talking about the value of playing him as well as anyone else but where he still puts up MVP numbers.
If that's the case, I need to see more than 1 FGA in 21 minutes. Maybe he was told "Don't worry about shooting" but if you're on the court, you're a basketball player. I'd like to see Semi try a little more than what we've seen.
That's the conundrum, though.
Does Semi's defense that has "limited" Giannis to 23.5 PPG, 12 RPG, 6.5 APG, on 54.5% over his 2 starts outweigh his series averages of 1.7 PPG on disastrous shooting (FG% 23.1 - 3PT% 22.2)?
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Semi plays 31 minutes Giannis gets 16 points = W
Semi plays 22 minutes Giannis gets 31 points = L
We need Semi against the Bucks!
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Semi has done a fine job on Giannis but the Freak still had 31 points on 23 shots last night. We're not talking about the value of shutting down the opposition's best player we're talking about the value of playing him as well as anyone else but where he still puts up MVP numbers.
If that's the case, I need to see more than 1 FGA in 21 minutes. Maybe he was told "Don't worry about shooting" but if you're on the court, you're a basketball player. I'd like to see Semi try a little more than what we've seen.
That's the conundrum, though.
Does Semi's defense that has "limited" Giannis to 23.5 PPG, 12 RPG, 6.5 APG, on 54.5% over his 2 starts outweigh his series averages of 1.7 PPG on disastrous shooting (FG% 23.1 - 3PT% 22.2)?
This is why I would bring Semi off the bench in game 7. My biggest concern is establishing an offensive rhythm right from the jump. It's difficult to expect this when one player doesn't contribute anything on offense. The Bucks know that Semi will only shoot corner threes and isn't comfortable handling the ball on the perimeter. It's tough to expect Tatum and Brown to hit the paint strong under those conditions.
At least Baynes can set good picks, hit the occasional mid-range jumper and crash the boards for offensive rebounds. The drawback is that he can't handle Giannis on switches but I believe we will survive the first 5 minutes. No matter what there are going to be stretches where Giannis is on the court while Semi and/or Horford are sitting.
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Semi seems to be a hard worker and high character guy. I think he is the type player that every championship team needs. Not there yet but look for big improvement from 1st to 2nd year. Whatever CBS ask playing hard will not be an issue.
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Semi doesn't play offense. This allows Bucks to game plan around this glaring fact. Celtics had a poor shooting night at 37%. Bucks we around 51%.
The reason Semi is starting is simple. The bench doesn't have enough punch. Terry Rozier should be the back up point guard, but Irving is out.
The Celtics "used" to bring in Rozier and Smart. They were the bench with Morris.
Alas, team is in such straights they start a player who average 5 attempts a game and unfortunately, doesn't hit many.
When the Celtics win tomorrow? It will have been an armed robbery...just back up the "Semi and load it with Bucks."
(Sorry, I couldn't help it...way better than "deer season", or whatever)
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Semi plays 31 minutes Giannis gets 16 points = W
Semi plays 22 minutes Giannis gets 31 points = L
We need Semi against the Bucks!
That's an oversimplification. Semi did not hold Giannis to 16 points, it was a lot of things that went into that. Giannis was trying to get his teammates involved, it was a road game for the Bucks, and both teams have played worse on the road. The Celts simply cannot score enough if Semi is getting major minutes, what he does on defense isn't enough to make up for that. The reason Semi played fewer minutes is that he wasn't able to stop Giannis, and his complete lack of any contribution on the offensive end made it unwise to keep him in down the stretch. The Celts didn't lose game 6 because their defense on Giannis wasn't good enough, they lost because their offense wasn't good enough. Semi doesn't help with that.
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Semi plays 31 minutes Giannis gets 16 points = W
Semi plays 22 minutes Giannis gets 31 points = L
We need Semi against the Bucks!
That's an oversimplification. Semi did not hold Giannis to 16 points, it was a lot of things that went into that. Giannis was trying to get his teammates involved, it was a road game for the Bucks, and both teams have played worse on the road. The Celts simply cannot score enough if Semi is getting major minutes, what he does on defense isn't enough to make up for that. The reason Semi played fewer minutes is that he wasn't able to stop Giannis, and his complete lack of any contribution on the offensive end made it unwise to keep him in down the stretch. The Celts didn't lose game 6 because their defense on Giannis wasn't good enough, they lost because their offense wasn't good enough. Semi doesn't help with that.
Of course it is an oversimplification but Semi stays in front of, puts a body on and man on man makes Giannis work more than anyone else we have.
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Semi has done a fine job on Giannis but the Freak still had 31 points on 23 shots last night. We're not talking about the value of shutting down the opposition's best player we're talking about the value of playing him as well as anyone else but where he still puts up MVP numbers.
If that's the case, I need to see more than 1 FGA in 21 minutes. Maybe he was told "Don't worry about shooting" but if you're on the court, you're a basketball player. I'd like to see Semi try a little more than what we've seen.
That's the conundrum, though.
Does Semi's defense that has "limited" Giannis to 23.5 PPG, 12 RPG, 6.5 APG, on 54.5% over his 2 starts outweigh his series averages of 1.7 PPG on disastrous shooting (FG% 23.1 - 3PT% 22.2)?
I'd say it's worth it, slow down to centerpiece of their offense
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Semi aren't going to force things in his rookie playoffs, it will be turnover nightmares
and i take Genmis 31 points on 23 shots anyday, that said he did his job
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Semi plays 31 minutes Giannis gets 16 points = W
Semi plays 22 minutes Giannis gets 31 points = L
We need Semi against the Bucks!
On the other hand, our biggest win of the series (by 14 in game 2) occurred when Semi only played 1 minute. Since this was before Smart returned our rotation was basically 8 guys - Horford, Tatum, Baynes, Rozier, and Brown with Morris, Monroe, and Larkin off the bench.
In 41 Game 2 minutes, Monroe and Baynes combined for 18 pts, 10 reb, 3 blk, on 8 for 13 from the field. That said, I do think Monroe hasn't been used too well this series. We know firsthand that Zeller simply can't cover him, but we've basically let them get away with that matchup by not going inside to Monroe and going right after Zeller. This is a different approach than the Bucks seem to have. For example, as soon as blood is in the water (i.e. Larkin is in the game) they actively look to get his man involved in PNR to have Larkin switch on Middleton. That's resulted in some really easy scores that are crucial in these tightly contested games.
So the simply things, I would love to see how a shortened rotation, one that didn't include Semi, would look considering our offensive deficiencies in the half-court. Say Horford, Tatum, Baynes, Rozier, and Brown with Smart and Morris off the bench.
Larkin - very limited minutes guy to apply full-court pressure on Delly, but only when Middleton is not in the game alongside him.
Monroe - mirror him with minutes against Zeller. Exploit that mismatch and go right after Zeller on every play. That's exactly what the Bucks did to the Raptors during last season's playoffs and it worked regularly. In 23.5 MPG Monroe averaged 13.2 PPG and 7.3 RPG on 52.9% from the field while feasting against Toronto's backup bigs.
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Semi has done a fine job on Giannis but the Freak still had 31 points on 23 shots last night. We're not talking about the value of shutting down the opposition's best player we're talking about the value of playing him as well as anyone else but where he still puts up MVP numbers.
If that's the case, I need to see more than 1 FGA in 21 minutes. Maybe he was told "Don't worry about shooting" but if you're on the court, you're a basketball player. I'd like to see Semi try a little more than what we've seen.
That's the conundrum, though.
Does Semi's defense that has "limited" Giannis to 23.5 PPG, 12 RPG, 6.5 APG, on 54.5% over his 2 starts outweigh his series averages of 1.7 PPG on disastrous shooting (FG% 23.1 - 3PT% 22.2)?
I'd say it's worth it, slow down to centerpiece of their offense
It just isn't that simple. Giannis can/will get his numbers but I believe the other players will determine whether or not the Bucks win. The Freak has been a minus in the box score for 4 out of the 6 games in the series. His most efficient game was our biggest blow out win.
Middleton and Parker cannot BOTH impact the game like they have recently. The Middleton part is more difficult to control because he makes tough shots routinely. He's a winning player IMO. The best we can do is force him take a bunch of tough shots.
As for Parker, his presence off the bench has made things very difficult for the Celtics. Mediocre defense aside, Parker gives the Bucks another weapon who can score in different ways. He's been a significant positive since game 2. They always seem to go on some sort of run when he is in the game.
At the end of the day we can survive Giannis getting 30+ points. Hopefully the Celtics hold Middleton to something similar to his game 5 performance.
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I just watched most of 3rd quarter as Celts were coming back and Semi played unbelievable defense Yannis can't get to hoop but scores on a fall away and then there was a steal by semi and then Bledsoe beat his man badly and semi spotted it and semi slid over and bledsoe wanted no part of him-saved a basket.
Here is a rookie starting in playoffs doing and outstanding job-yet there are those just sniping-He is necessary in the playoffs with impossible to budge stance ,his ability to keep up with guards--he has one job wear down Yannis-i haven't seen him be turnover prone ,good pace on his passes
.One of the toughest players to guard in the league and he drew those charges that were bad calls the other night
Yannis with a full head of steam scores on eurostep- semi to bench Yannis carves up Baynes Semi back in a Yannis gives it up on perimeter.
From what i have just watched, Yannis wants no part of Semi except in transition .Now for 4th quarter.
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Semi plays 31 minutes Giannis gets 16 points = W
Semi plays 22 minutes Giannis gets 31 points = L
We need Semi against the Bucks!
On the other hand, our biggest win of the series (by 14 in game 2) occurred when Semi only played 1 minute. Since this was before Smart returned our rotation was basically 8 guys - Horford, Tatum, Baynes, Rozier, and Brown with Morris, Monroe, and Larkin off the bench.
In 41 Game 2 minutes, Monroe and Baynes combined for 18 pts, 10 reb, 3 blk, on 8 for 13 from the field. That said, I do think Monroe hasn't been used too well this series. We know firsthand that Zeller simply can't cover him, but we've basically let them get away with that matchup by not going inside to Monroe and going right after Zeller. This is a different approach than the Bucks seem to have. For example, as soon as blood is in the water (i.e. Larkin is in the game) they actively look to get his man involved in PNR to have Larkin switch on Middleton. That's resulted in some really easy scores that are crucial in these tightly contested games.
So the simply things, I would love to see how a shortened rotation, one that didn't include Semi, would look considering our offensive deficiencies in the half-court. Say Horford, Tatum, Baynes, Rozier, and Brown with Smart and Morris off the bench.
Larkin - very limited minutes guy to apply full-court pressure on Delly, but only when Middleton is not in the game alongside him.
Monroe - mirror him with minutes against Zeller. Exploit that mismatch and go right after Zeller on every play. That's exactly what the Bucks did to the Raptors during last season's playoffs and it worked regularly. In 23.5 MPG Monroe averaged 13.2 PPG and 7.3 RPG on 52.9% from the field while feasting against Toronto's backup bigs.
Munroe has been horrible. He's out of shape and his game isn't ready for playoff intensity.
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I just watched most of 3rd quarter as Celts were coming back and Semi played unbelievable defense Yannis can't get to hoop but scores on a fall away and then there was a steal by semi and then Bledsoe beat his man badly and semi spotted it and semi slid over and bledsoe wanted no part of him-saved a basket.
Here is a rookie starting in playoffs doing and outstanding job-yet there are those just sniping-He is necessary in the playoffs with impossible to budge stance ,his ability to keep up with guards--he has one job wear down Yannis-i haven't seen him be turnover prone ,good pace on his passes
.One of the toughest players to guard in the league and he drew those charges that were bad calls the other night
Yannis with a full head of steam scores on eurostep- semi to bench Yannis carves up Baynes Semi back in a Yannis gives it up on perimeter.
From what i have just watched, Yannis wants no part of Semi except in transition .Now for 4th quarter.
I am hoping Brad saw what you did rollie. Semi plays great D vs Giannis!
4th quarter will be interesting my memory is that Semi played very little in the 4th.
TP
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I just watched most of 3rd quarter as Celts were coming back and Semi played unbelievable defense Yannis can't get to hoop but scores on a fall away and then there was a steal by semi and then Bledsoe beat his man badly and semi spotted it and semi slid over and bledsoe wanted no part of him-saved a basket.
Here is a rookie starting in playoffs doing and outstanding job-yet there are those just sniping-He is necessary in the playoffs with impossible to budge stance ,his ability to keep up with guards--he has one job wear down Yannis-i haven't seen him be turnover prone ,good pace on his passes
.One of the toughest players to guard in the league and he drew those charges that were bad calls the other night
Yannis with a full head of steam scores on eurostep- semi to bench Yannis carves up Baynes Semi back in a Yannis gives it up on perimeter.
From what i have just watched, Yannis wants no part of Semi except in transition .Now for 4th quarter.
After you watch the game you should consider re-reading this thread, since at no point did anyone say he's not doing a fine job on defense. However, the issue isn't his defense it's that despite his defense on Giannis, Giannis is still going to put up monster numbers and then Semi makes us play 4 on 5 on at the other end. Now, if you aren't willing to admit that he's an awful offensive player then it's useless to even entertain a discussion.
Who really cares that Semi is a rookie? Is that a moral victory? Because I see rookies across the league performing at a high level (see Simmons, Mitchell). Besides, Semi is actually older than Giannis.
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Not in the first half semi owns him--it must eat the semi haters up-a rookie starting -this is the no motor guy
Semi has only one thing on his mind make it tough on yannis
Yannis is just not used to that strength and quickness
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
It's creepy that you would bring up posts between me and other users that you weren't a part of, especially when you're making false claims. I posted about our Mock Deadline here in response to posters who know how to be respectful and have a conversation. It was just a fun talking piece. Since you're incapable of having that, I understand why you're getting confused.
As for Semi, I am very happy we have him at the end of the bench. His defense on Giannis helped us win this series. Certainly no reason for any sane Celtics fan to call him a bum. But you strike me as more of a just a troll.
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Good call by CBS. Great job by Semi.
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Truly happy for Semi.
I TOLD YOU ALL! I TOLD YOU!!
All season long, regulars on here would bash him, saying he lacks confidence, can't develop, can't shoot, will get beat on defense a ton, etc. etc.
Yet in Game 7, the biggest game of his life, he SLOWED down Giannis and played about as great defense as you could on him. Never made it easy and to the point where near the end, Giannis backed down and just fired jump shots/threes since Semi wouldn't let him get to the paint with ease! ;D
I said despite the early struggles and some lack of confidence, he'd have an impact on a playoff game or two, and he certainly did.
Also, Semi hit two timely shots during the game, and I also thought he made the right passes.
Good work Semi! 8)
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
It's creepy that you would bring up posts between me and other users that you weren't a part of, especially when you're making false claims. I posted about our Mock Deadline here in response to posters who know how to be respectful and have a conversation. It was just a fun talking piece. Since you're incapable of having that, I understand why you're getting confused.
As for Semi, I am very happy we have him at the end of the bench. His defense on Giannis helped us win this series. Certainly no reason for any sane Celtics fan to call him a bum. But you strike me as more of a just a troll.
You made an idiotic comment/comparison so it really stood out. Remembered reading it and thinking you didn't really know what you're talking about.
As for Semi, yeah, I just don't think he's a very good player. Not sure why you consider that "trolling", unless of course a difference of opinion makes one a troll in your eyes. All benches are full of bad players and unless he becomes more than just a one trick pony that's a disaster offensively, I'll continue to have the same mindset regardless of what you may think, fantasy basketball trade examples notwithstanding.
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Giannis never had the same aggression when Ojeleye was guarding him. He'd either shoot jumpshots or try to facilitate.
Proud of the kid. He has really struggled with his offense this year, but he stepped up in his first playoff series, took on an impossible assignment, and did a better job at it than everybody else we tried.
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I forgot that the #37 pick was acquired in the Brandan Wright trade with PHX. Just looked it up. One of those protected first round picks that became two seconds... :D
Thank you Brandan Wright!
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Giannis never had the same aggression when Ojeleye was guarding him. He'd either shoot jumpshots or try to facilitate.
Proud of the kid. He has really struggled with his offense this year, but he stepped up in his first playoff series, took on an impossible assignment, and did a better job at it than everybody else we tried.
i agree. ojeleye did about as good a defensive job on antetokounmpo as one could expect, especially for a rookie.
i wonder if CBS will sic ojeleye on simmons in the next round. neither simmons nor antetokounmpo can shoot, so maybe it would work again.
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His defense was incredible.
What was also incredible is that the Celtics managed to get so many points in the paint when GIannis was playing way, way off Ojeleye. I mean, Semi was out in the corner behind the three-point line, and Giannis was down on the block. And somehow we would drive the ball to the cup. Amazing. Total opposite of game six.
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Wonder where he goes in a redraft. Gotta be a first round pick by now.
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Semi is an unsung hero of the series. He's a big reason we won games 5 and 7.
There was one play tonight in particular that stood out among his many strong defensive plays - Giannis was storming down the court in transition and made it all the way to the basket, sidestepping Horford in the process for a left-handed layup. But right before he elevated to shoot, Semi rushed over to help and stood vertically with his hands up which was enough to make Giannis miss. It was a Marcus Smart caliber play - a type of play that only players who truly excel at defense can execute in an NBA game.
I've criticized Semi this season despite low expectations (being a second round pick and all), but I never disliked the pick. We got solid value at 37. His defensive versatility is a great thing to have on the bench.
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Semi isn't unsung by the people that matter, just watch their post-games.
Great job youngin, we needed that!!
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Can't believe the 2nd round rookie helped us get past the Greek freak
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
It's creepy that you would bring up posts between me and other users that you weren't a part of, especially when you're making false claims. I posted about our Mock Deadline here in response to posters who know how to be respectful and have a conversation. It was just a fun talking piece. Since you're incapable of having that, I understand why you're getting confused.
As for Semi, I am very happy we have him at the end of the bench. His defense on Giannis helped us win this series. Certainly no reason for any sane Celtics fan to call him a bum. But you strike me as more of a just a troll.
You made an idiotic comment/comparison so it really stood out. Remembered reading it and thinking you didn't really know what you're talking about.
As for Semi, yeah, I just don't think he's a very good player. Not sure why you consider that "trolling", unless of course a difference of opinion makes one a troll in your eyes. All benches are full of bad players and unless he becomes more than just a one trick pony that's a disaster offensively, I'll continue to have the same mindset regardless of what you may think, fantasy basketball trade examples notwithstanding.
No, I made a comment on a Celtics fans message board that was about a trade proposal. That's what this website is for. It's not here to call the players who just helped win us a series bums. It's not to here to seek out arguments and continue to argue until you ruin a thread.
But go ahead, keep calling the guy who just helped your "favorite" team win a series trash. That is why you're either a troll or just a pathetic exuse of a "fan", if you'd even call it that lol.
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Can't believe the 2nd round rookie helped us get past the Greek freak
It is pretty crazy huh? You have to give Semi credit though, he played great one on one def against the greek. He limited him in getting to the circle area around the bucket, and forced him to take a lot of fade away shots (which to his credit Giannis did pretty well with).
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just an amazing job today, and talk about a 2nd round pick who barely played in the season, steps up, takes 30 minutes in a 7 game series...
bravo semi, bravo danny. bravo brad
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just an amazing job today, and talk about a 2nd round pick who barely played in the season, steps up, takes 30 minutes in a 7 game series...
bravo semi, bravo danny. bravo brad
Ainge tends to see potential that other GMs miss. Some times he blows it like on Nader and Sully, but most of the time he is right.
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Nader was 58s so i'm ok with a bench player ceiling
He didn't have that physical but he does has some skill and the fire
Remember he missed 4 freethrow in the raw? today he knock down 2 in playoff game 7.
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
It's creepy that you would bring up posts between me and other users that you weren't a part of, especially when you're making false claims. I posted about our Mock Deadline here in response to posters who know how to be respectful and have a conversation. It was just a fun talking piece. Since you're incapable of having that, I understand why you're getting confused.
As for Semi, I am very happy we have him at the end of the bench. His defense on Giannis helped us win this series. Certainly no reason for any sane Celtics fan to call him a bum. But you strike me as more of a just a troll.
You made an idiotic comment/comparison so it really stood out. Remembered reading it and thinking you didn't really know what you're talking about.
As for Semi, yeah, I just don't think he's a very good player. Not sure why you consider that "trolling", unless of course a difference of opinion makes one a troll in your eyes. All benches are full of bad players and unless he becomes more than just a one trick pony that's a disaster offensively, I'll continue to have the same mindset regardless of what you may think, fantasy basketball trade examples notwithstanding.
No, I made a comment on a Celtics fans message board that was about a trade proposal. That's what this website is for. It's not here to call the players who just helped win us a series bums. It's not to here to seek out arguments and continue to argue until you ruin a thread.
But go ahead, keep calling the guy who just helped your "favorite" team win a series trash. That is why you're either a troll or just a pathetic exuse of a "fan", if you'd even call it that lol.
Hey, kettle meet pot, since your first post in this thread was about me even after I had complimented the guy.
I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
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I'm one of his biggest critic, mostly his motor. But overall he played very well in the series, motor is not Smart level but its not bad. Hope he continues playing well because it relieves pressure from other guys. Helps to have an additional player you can count on.
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wonder who Semi will defend on Philly ?
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I not only praise Semi, but I also praise CBS for seeing this potential in Semi.
In college, he was a fine defender, but nothing particularly special. CBS saw this potential in him. Immediately after the draft, he began talking about his potential to be *cue Brad Stevens voice* really good defender.
CBS threw him to the wolves early in the season and kept playing him in key moments and matchups throughout the entire season, even when many on this blog didn't want him in the game.
That kind of development allowed Semi to play the role he played this playoffs, and hopefully has set him up to be a really good role player in the NBA moving forward.
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I think Horford just put Semi's contribution where it should have been and every point Horford got was an assist to Semi for taking the workload on guarding Yannis . Horford seemed to have fresher legs at end of game.
Semi now is part of Celtics seventh game history.
It must be difficult for those to admit, that Semi is not a paper athlete with no motor.On a team full of hard workers to be praised as the hardest worker by Al Horford and center stage for all the NBA watchers to hear.
A 37th round pick,a rookie has been instrumental in adding another 7th game series win and that can never be taken away.
Did Semi's defense ust eclipse that of Crowder? It did last night!!!
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I think Horford just put Semi's contribution where it should have been and every point Horford got was an assist to Semi for taking the workload on guarding Yannis . Horford seemed to have fresher legs at end of game.
Semi now is part of Celtics seventh game history.
It must be difficult for those to admit, that Semi is not a paper athlete with no motor.On a team full of hard workers to be praised as the hardest worker by Al Horford and center stage for all the NBA watchers to hear.
A 37th round pick,a rookie has been instrumental in adding another 7th game series win and that can never be taken away.
Did Semi's defense ust eclipse that of Crowder? It did last night!!!
Semi is already better than Crowder, and it happened way before last night. He just needs better consistency on the shot and he will be an excellent 3-and-D player in this league.
37th round pick, lol.
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
Seriously dude, you should just go hide in a corner.
That "trash" - as you called him - just played 30 minutes and changed the dynamic of the series. He made life tough on a guy who Brad called "un-guardable" and let other guys focus on the offense. Brad flat-out said he's the best defender we have on Giannis and our genius coach had him playing serious minutes in a critical playoff series.
You mouthed off about him then and you still haven't learned a [dang] thing. You don't GET to compliment the guy without first saying that you were wrong. When you call a guy trash you don't get off that easy. Say you were wrong, take your medicine and then you can clamber aboard the Semi bandwagon. Until then your trash comment will be raised every single time this subject comes up.
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Horford said last night that without Semi we don't win the series. Nuff said!
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wonder who Semi will defend on Philly ?
If Jaylen can’t go, I assume Semi starts again.
In the regular season, Al guarded Simmons and we put another big on Embiid. I wonder what Semi would do guarding Simmons... Simmons is similar in height and another freak athlete but a different game. He’s more fluid as a ballhandler and is looking to go around you rather than banging and backing you down. You also want to depend on help as little as possible because Simmons is such a good passer. The major similarity, though, is that neither Giannis nor Simmons can shoot, and Semi showed a lot of foot speed and genius positioning when he cut off drives. I’m sure he’ll spend at least some time on Simmons, if only after switches. Be interesting to see if he can stop penetration.
The other possibility might be Saric.
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
Seriously dude, you should just go hide in a corner.
That "trash" - as you called him - just played 30 minutes and changed the dynamic of the series. He made life tough on a guy who Brad called "un-guardable" and let other guys focus on the offense. Brad flat-out said he's the best defender we have on Giannis and our genius coach had him playing serious minutes in a critical playoff series.
You mouthed off about him then and you still haven't learned a [dang] thing. You don't GET to compliment the guy without first saying that you were wrong. When you call a guy trash you don't get off that easy. Say you were wrong, take your medicine and then you can clamber aboard the Semi bandwagon. Until then your trash comment will be raised every single time this subject comes up.
Why? I still don't think he's good. Unless he improves his offense and isn't a liability on the floor I'll maintain the same opinion. I admit he's a very good Giannis defender because GA plays to his strengths - can't really shoot, has the size but not the strength to take advantage of him inside. That said, there are reasons why you can't really put Semi on a Middleton regardless of how hot a player like he is. I expect him to be pretty effective on Simmons too, since it's another player that plays to his strengths, although Simmons has a quicker first step than Giannis. However, to think a player is good simply because he matches up well on one end, while giving you nothing on the other end, would be akin to thinking Kite was good because he played Abdul-Jabbar tough.
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Greg Kite on Jabbar-how about Cowens.
Semi has elite lateral and lane agility and elite sprint
Semi has elite strength and defensive footwork, stance and frame
Semi back peddles well
Semi has elite vertical
Semi weighs 235 lbs of muscle
You once called him a paper athlete but it was chronicled at Combine now the NBA playoffs
He should match up well against Simmons who has not run up often with the combination that semi possesses and then Simmons lack of outside jump shot game.
Semi will work all off season on his offensive game-32% from three there have been much worse as a rookie.
This guy just kept us in the playoffs complimented by his Coach his teammates what is your problem.
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
Seriously dude, you should just go hide in a corner.
That "trash" - as you called him - just played 30 minutes and changed the dynamic of the series. He made life tough on a guy who Brad called "un-guardable" and let other guys focus on the offense. Brad flat-out said he's the best defender we have on Giannis and our genius coach had him playing serious minutes in a critical playoff series.
You mouthed off about him then and you still haven't learned a [dang] thing. You don't GET to compliment the guy without first saying that you were wrong. When you call a guy trash you don't get off that easy. Say you were wrong, take your medicine and then you can clamber aboard the Semi bandwagon. Until then your trash comment will be raised every single time this subject comes up.
Why? I still don't think he's good. Unless he improves his offense and isn't a liability on the floor I'll maintain the same opinion. I admit he's a very good Giannis defender because GA plays to his strengths - can't really shoot, has the size but not the strength to take advantage of him inside. That said, there are reasons why you can't really put Semi on a Middleton regardless of how hot a player like he is. I expect him to be pretty effective on Simmons too, since it's another player that plays to his strengths, although Simmons has a quicker first step than Giannis. However, to think a player is good simply because he matches up well on one end, while giving you nothing on the other end, would be akin to thinking Kite was good because he played Abdul-Jabbar tough.
Soooo..... He’s useful trash?
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
It's creepy that you would bring up posts between me and other users that you weren't a part of, especially when you're making false claims. I posted about our Mock Deadline here in response to posters who know how to be respectful and have a conversation. It was just a fun talking piece. Since you're incapable of having that, I understand why you're getting confused.
As for Semi, I am very happy we have him at the end of the bench. His defense on Giannis helped us win this series. Certainly no reason for any sane Celtics fan to call him a bum. But you strike me as more of a just a troll.
You made an idiotic comment/comparison so it really stood out. Remembered reading it and thinking you didn't really know what you're talking about.
As for Semi, yeah, I just don't think he's a very good player. Not sure why you consider that "trolling", unless of course a difference of opinion makes one a troll in your eyes. All benches are full of bad players and unless he becomes more than just a one trick pony that's a disaster offensively, I'll continue to have the same mindset regardless of what you may think, fantasy basketball trade examples notwithstanding.
No, I made a comment on a Celtics fans message board that was about a trade proposal. That's what this website is for. It's not here to call the players who just helped win us a series bums. It's not to here to seek out arguments and continue to argue until you ruin a thread.
But go ahead, keep calling the guy who just helped your "favorite" team win a series trash. That is why you're either a troll or just a pathetic exuse of a "fan", if you'd even call it that lol.
Hey, kettle meet pot, since your first post in this thread was about me even after I had complimented the guy.
I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
There is no compliment there. Still searching. I guess the best you could come up with was "I gave him credit last game, but...". It's time to eat crow on the pathetic thread you made that was pitiful at the time, and only looks worse. It reminds me of the "Are there any Rozier fans left?" thread, except yours had unnecessary insults with even less insight. People will continue to bring it up as long you continue to act like this. Just like I did, and Tarheels, and Granath, etc. A lot different than you trying to bring up a conversation you weren't a part of or a post that you couldn't understand lol.
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I not only praise Semi, but I also praise CBS for seeing this potential in Semi.
In college, he was a fine defender, but nothing particularly special. CBS saw this potential in him. Immediately after the draft, he began talking about his potential to be *cue Brad Stevens voice* really good defender.
CBS threw him to the wolves early in the season and kept playing him in key moments and matchups throughout the entire season, even when many on this blog didn't want him in the game.
That kind of development allowed Semi to play the role he played this playoffs, and hopefully has set him up to be a really good role player in the NBA moving forward.
And Ainge too
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Semi has done a fine job on Giannis but the Freak still had 31 points on 23 shots last night. We're not talking about the value of shutting down the opposition's best player we're talking about the value of playing him as well as anyone else but where he still puts up MVP numbers.
If that's the case, I need to see more than 1 FGA in 21 minutes. Maybe he was told "Don't worry about shooting" but if you're on the court, you're a basketball player. I'd like to see Semi try a little more than what we've seen.
That's the conundrum, though.
Does Semi's defense that has "limited" Giannis to 23.5 PPG, 12 RPG, 6.5 APG, on 54.5% over his 2 starts outweigh his series averages of 1.7 PPG on disastrous shooting (FG% 23.1 - 3PT% 22.2)?
I'd say it's worth it, slow down to centerpiece of their offense
It just isn't that simple. Giannis can/will get his numbers but I believe the other players will determine whether or not the Bucks win. The Freak has been a minus in the box score for 4 out of the 6 games in the series. His most efficient game was our biggest blow out win.
Middleton and Parker cannot BOTH impact the game like they have recently. The Middleton part is more difficult to control because he makes tough shots routinely. He's a winning player IMO. The best we can do is force him take a bunch of tough shots.
As for Parker, his presence off the bench has made things very difficult for the Celtics. Mediocre defense aside, Parker gives the Bucks another weapon who can score in different ways. He's been a significant positive since game 2. They always seem to go on some sort of run when he is in the game.
At the end of the day we can survive Giannis getting 30+ points. Hopefully the Celtics hold Middleton to something similar to his game 5 performance.
It is indeed not that simple, but if you were to ask me about the math of limiting a star player versus having a zero on offense on the other end (the question posed by the OP), I'd say, generally speaking, in this case, it's worth it.
Another thing to factor in this, I reckon, is that Semi reduces the upside (for the Bucks, downside for us) possibility of Giannis going nuts for 40+ points and getting supernova hot.
Also, Smart being back in seems to have slowed down Middleton just a bit (haven't been able to watch closely, but been following a bit through reports and comments on the series). He also defended Jabari...which is such a "Smart" thing to do...
To add to this, Semi also provides another solid body to switch on defense, when they try to get the mismatch with Giannis.
Not sure where the equilibrium is, in terms of stopping opposing stars and stopping opposing secondary pieces - seems Brad got it right though. Hopefully this continues to work out into the next series with the 6'ers - whose star players are eerily similar to the Bucks' cast of stars.
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Semi has done a fine job on Giannis but the Freak still had 31 points on 23 shots last night. We're not talking about the value of shutting down the opposition's best player we're talking about the value of playing him as well as anyone else but where he still puts up MVP numbers.
If that's the case, I need to see more than 1 FGA in 21 minutes. Maybe he was told "Don't worry about shooting" but if you're on the court, you're a basketball player. I'd like to see Semi try a little more than what we've seen.
That's the conundrum, though.
Does Semi's defense that has "limited" Giannis to 23.5 PPG, 12 RPG, 6.5 APG, on 54.5% over his 2 starts outweigh his series averages of 1.7 PPG on disastrous shooting (FG% 23.1 - 3PT% 22.2)?
I'd say it's worth it, slow down to centerpiece of their offense
It just isn't that simple. Giannis can/will get his numbers but I believe the other players will determine whether or not the Bucks win. The Freak has been a minus in the box score for 4 out of the 6 games in the series. His most efficient game was our biggest blow out win.
Middleton and Parker cannot BOTH impact the game like they have recently. The Middleton part is more difficult to control because he makes tough shots routinely. He's a winning player IMO. The best we can do is force him take a bunch of tough shots.
As for Parker, his presence off the bench has made things very difficult for the Celtics. Mediocre defense aside, Parker gives the Bucks another weapon who can score in different ways. He's been a significant positive since game 2. They always seem to go on some sort of run when he is in the game.
At the end of the day we can survive Giannis getting 30+ points. Hopefully the Celtics hold Middleton to something similar to his game 5 performance.
It is indeed not that simple, but if you were to ask me about the math of limiting a star player versus having a zero on offense on the other end (the question posed by the OP), I'd say, generally speaking, in this case, it's worth it.
Another thing to factor in this, I reckon, is that Semi reduces the upside (for the Bucks, downside for us) possibility of Giannis going nuts for 40+ points and getting supernova hot.
Also, Smart being back in seems to have slowed down Middleton just a bit (haven't been able to watch closely, but been following a bit through reports and comments on the series). He also defended Jabari...which is such a "Smart" thing to do...
To add to this, Semi also provides another solid body to switch on defense, when they try to get the mismatch with Giannis.
Not sure where the equilibrium is, in terms of stopping opposing stars and stopping opposing secondary pieces - seems Brad got it right though. Hopefully this continues to work out into the next series with the 6'ers - whose star players are eerily similar to the Bucks' cast of stars.
I think that normally, you'd prefer more offense over Semi's defense and zero offense. However, when the alternative are guys like Nader, Larkin, I'd take Semi.
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
It's creepy that you would bring up posts between me and other users that you weren't a part of, especially when you're making false claims. I posted about our Mock Deadline here in response to posters who know how to be respectful and have a conversation. It was just a fun talking piece. Since you're incapable of having that, I understand why you're getting confused.
As for Semi, I am very happy we have him at the end of the bench. His defense on Giannis helped us win this series. Certainly no reason for any sane Celtics fan to call him a bum. But you strike me as more of a just a troll.
You made an idiotic comment/comparison so it really stood out. Remembered reading it and thinking you didn't really know what you're talking about.
As for Semi, yeah, I just don't think he's a very good player. Not sure why you consider that "trolling", unless of course a difference of opinion makes one a troll in your eyes. All benches are full of bad players and unless he becomes more than just a one trick pony that's a disaster offensively, I'll continue to have the same mindset regardless of what you may think, fantasy basketball trade examples notwithstanding.
No, I made a comment on a Celtics fans message board that was about a trade proposal. That's what this website is for. It's not here to call the players who just helped win us a series bums. It's not to here to seek out arguments and continue to argue until you ruin a thread.
But go ahead, keep calling the guy who just helped your "favorite" team win a series trash. That is why you're either a troll or just a pathetic exuse of a "fan", if you'd even call it that lol.
Hey, kettle meet pot, since your first post in this thread was about me even after I had complimented the guy.
I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
There is no compliment there. Still searching. I guess the best you could come up with was "I gave him credit last game, but...". It's time to eat crow on the pathetic thread you made that was pitiful at the time, and only looks worse. It reminds me of the "Are there any Rozier fans left?" thread, except yours had unnecessary insults with even less insight. People will continue to bring it up as long you continue to act like this. Just like I did, and Tarheels, and Granath, etc. A lot different than you trying to bring up a conversation you weren't a part of or a post that you couldn't understand lol.
I see that attention to detail and reading comprehension aren't exactly your strong points, 1st page on this thread, post #8.
Are you still with that stupid fantasy trade thing? Not even the intended recipient had any idea what you meant by that.
Thats your team? Those two? lol Talk about the gang that can't shoot straight.
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Getting these kinds of minutes and production in the playoffs from a rookie 2nd rounder -sensational!
And he is just getting started, since we are entering the Conference SEMI finals!
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I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
You most certainly can. His statical performance, if not the eye test alone, would support the opinion that he was a really bad player (aka bum) for the 17-18 season. That said, since I've seen you use your fantasy basketball trades to assess real world player value (I wish I were kidding), then can you please explain what return you'll get from Semi's 2.7 PPG on 34.6% shooting?
It's creepy that you would bring up posts between me and other users that you weren't a part of, especially when you're making false claims. I posted about our Mock Deadline here in response to posters who know how to be respectful and have a conversation. It was just a fun talking piece. Since you're incapable of having that, I understand why you're getting confused.
As for Semi, I am very happy we have him at the end of the bench. His defense on Giannis helped us win this series. Certainly no reason for any sane Celtics fan to call him a bum. But you strike me as more of a just a troll.
You made an idiotic comment/comparison so it really stood out. Remembered reading it and thinking you didn't really know what you're talking about.
As for Semi, yeah, I just don't think he's a very good player. Not sure why you consider that "trolling", unless of course a difference of opinion makes one a troll in your eyes. All benches are full of bad players and unless he becomes more than just a one trick pony that's a disaster offensively, I'll continue to have the same mindset regardless of what you may think, fantasy basketball trade examples notwithstanding.
No, I made a comment on a Celtics fans message board that was about a trade proposal. That's what this website is for. It's not here to call the players who just helped win us a series bums. It's not to here to seek out arguments and continue to argue until you ruin a thread.
But go ahead, keep calling the guy who just helped your "favorite" team win a series trash. That is why you're either a troll or just a pathetic exuse of a "fan", if you'd even call it that lol.
Hey, kettle meet pot, since your first post in this thread was about me even after I had complimented the guy.
I gave him credit last game, but he really needs to brings something, anything, to the table offensively. We can't continue to play 4 on 5 on that end, while Giannis sags off him and is able to help out on penetration. It wouldn't be as much of an issue if his non-existent offense was alongside Irving and Hayward, but it compounds the problem when we have so much difficulty to generate offense (37% shooting tonight) as is.
Lol do we have to bring back the thread where this guy called Semi trash and a bum?
There is no compliment there. Still searching. I guess the best you could come up with was "I gave him credit last game, but...". It's time to eat crow on the pathetic thread you made that was pitiful at the time, and only looks worse. It reminds me of the "Are there any Rozier fans left?" thread, except yours had unnecessary insults with even less insight. People will continue to bring it up as long you continue to act like this. Just like I did, and Tarheels, and Granath, etc. A lot different than you trying to bring up a conversation you weren't a part of or a post that you couldn't understand lol.
I see that attention to detail and reading comprehension aren't exactly your strong points, 1st page on this thread, post #8.
Are you still with that stupid fantasy trade thing? Not even the intended recipient had any idea what you meant by that.
Thats your team? Those two? lol Talk about the gang that can't shoot straight.
You can refer to the post of yours that I actually responded to. Unlike you, I don't stalk random internet posters, so I wouldn't know every single thing you have ever said. If that makes my reading comprehension skills low, then I'd rather be illiterate lol.
Bringing up the mock deadline post was yet another failed attempt at a comeback by you. I already tried explaining it to you, and I can't dumb it down for you any more. I feel like I'm trying to talk to you like my niece, but it's still going over your head.
And no, my team is the Boston Celtics. That's why most of us post here, to discuss the team with fellow fans. Not to seek out arguments and create threads bashing "our" players for no reason. Remember that next time you're getting blasted in a thread by mutiple posters but continue to argue just for the sake of arguing. I'm done with you troll. Be gone! Be gone!
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So...Ojeleye's defense. Pretty outstanding eh?
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Semi has done a fine job on Giannis but the Freak still had 31 points on 23 shots last night. We're not talking about the value of shutting down the opposition's best player we're talking about the value of playing him as well as anyone else but where he still puts up MVP numbers.
If that's the case, I need to see more than 1 FGA in 21 minutes. Maybe he was told "Don't worry about shooting" but if you're on the court, you're a basketball player. I'd like to see Semi try a little more than what we've seen.
That's the conundrum, though.
Does Semi's defense that has "limited" Giannis to 23.5 PPG, 12 RPG, 6.5 APG, on 54.5% over his 2 starts outweigh his series averages of 1.7 PPG on disastrous shooting (FG% 23.1 - 3PT% 22.2)?
I'd say it's worth it, slow down to centerpiece of their offense
It just isn't that simple. Giannis can/will get his numbers but I believe the other players will determine whether or not the Bucks win. The Freak has been a minus in the box score for 4 out of the 6 games in the series. His most efficient game was our biggest blow out win.
Middleton and Parker cannot BOTH impact the game like they have recently. The Middleton part is more difficult to control because he makes tough shots routinely. He's a winning player IMO. The best we can do is force him take a bunch of tough shots.
As for Parker, his presence off the bench has made things very difficult for the Celtics. Mediocre defense aside, Parker gives the Bucks another weapon who can score in different ways. He's been a significant positive since game 2. They always seem to go on some sort of run when he is in the game.
At the end of the day we can survive Giannis getting 30+ points. Hopefully the Celtics hold Middleton to something similar to his game 5 performance.
It is indeed not that simple, but if you were to ask me about the math of limiting a star player versus having a zero on offense on the other end (the question posed by the OP), I'd say, generally speaking, in this case, it's worth it.
Another thing to factor in this, I reckon, is that Semi reduces the upside (for the Bucks, downside for us) possibility of Giannis going nuts for 40+ points and getting supernova hot.
Also, Smart being back in seems to have slowed down Middleton just a bit (haven't been able to watch closely, but been following a bit through reports and comments on the series). He also defended Jabari...which is such a "Smart" thing to do...
To add to this, Semi also provides another solid body to switch on defense, when they try to get the mismatch with Giannis.
Not sure where the equilibrium is, in terms of stopping opposing stars and stopping opposing secondary pieces - seems Brad got it right though. Hopefully this continues to work out into the next series with the 6'ers - whose star players are eerily similar to the Bucks' cast of stars.
I think that normally, you'd prefer more offense over Semi's defense and zero offense. However, when the alternative are guys like Nader, Larkin, I'd take Semi.
Fair.
What would you make of Andre Roberson then?
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Semi has done a fine job on Giannis but the Freak still had 31 points on 23 shots last night. We're not talking about the value of shutting down the opposition's best player we're talking about the value of playing him as well as anyone else but where he still puts up MVP numbers.
If that's the case, I need to see more than 1 FGA in 21 minutes. Maybe he was told "Don't worry about shooting" but if you're on the court, you're a basketball player. I'd like to see Semi try a little more than what we've seen.
That's the conundrum, though.
Does Semi's defense that has "limited" Giannis to 23.5 PPG, 12 RPG, 6.5 APG, on 54.5% over his 2 starts outweigh his series averages of 1.7 PPG on disastrous shooting (FG% 23.1 - 3PT% 22.2)?
I'd say it's worth it, slow down to centerpiece of their offense
It just isn't that simple. Giannis can/will get his numbers but I believe the other players will determine whether or not the Bucks win. The Freak has been a minus in the box score for 4 out of the 6 games in the series. His most efficient game was our biggest blow out win.
Middleton and Parker cannot BOTH impact the game like they have recently. The Middleton part is more difficult to control because he makes tough shots routinely. He's a winning player IMO. The best we can do is force him take a bunch of tough shots.
As for Parker, his presence off the bench has made things very difficult for the Celtics. Mediocre defense aside, Parker gives the Bucks another weapon who can score in different ways. He's been a significant positive since game 2. They always seem to go on some sort of run when he is in the game.
At the end of the day we can survive Giannis getting 30+ points. Hopefully the Celtics hold Middleton to something similar to his game 5 performance.
It is indeed not that simple, but if you were to ask me about the math of limiting a star player versus having a zero on offense on the other end (the question posed by the OP), I'd say, generally speaking, in this case, it's worth it.
Another thing to factor in this, I reckon, is that Semi reduces the upside (for the Bucks, downside for us) possibility of Giannis going nuts for 40+ points and getting supernova hot.
Also, Smart being back in seems to have slowed down Middleton just a bit (haven't been able to watch closely, but been following a bit through reports and comments on the series). He also defended Jabari...which is such a "Smart" thing to do...
To add to this, Semi also provides another solid body to switch on defense, when they try to get the mismatch with Giannis.
Not sure where the equilibrium is, in terms of stopping opposing stars and stopping opposing secondary pieces - seems Brad got it right though. Hopefully this continues to work out into the next series with the 6'ers - whose star players are eerily similar to the Bucks' cast of stars.
I think that normally, you'd prefer more offense over Semi's defense and zero offense. However, when the alternative are guys like Nader, Larkin, I'd take Semi.
Fair.
What would you make of Andre Roberson then?
Incredible defense, even better than Semi but at least Semi can make his FTs and has potential to hit that 3 ball consistently.
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Semi played great and made an important contribution. He also has liabilities. We can get away with that against Milwaukee. We shall see how that works out against the Sixers. I suspect he will continue to play, maybe cover Simmons as some have suggested although I think Tatum can cover him also (and maybe Horford on Saric and Baynes on Embiid). It should be interesting to see how Stevens sets up the match ups. Lot's of options (Smart could take Simmons also).
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it was hilarious how Bledsoe just bounced off him in Game 7. Has hit a 3 in consecutive games!
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My roommate and I have been referring to semi as the whisperer, first he was the Giannis whisperer but now with the Simmons match up it's just "The Whisperer"
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Just watched defensive highlites Semi drew a charge ,a deflection, a rebound and played solid on whoever he switched on-
This was another strong outing for the Rookie-21 minutes and +11
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Semi played great and made an important contribution. He also has liabilities. We can get away with that against Milwaukee. We shall see how that works out against the Sixers. I suspect he will continue to play, maybe cover Simmons as some have suggested although I think Tatum can cover him also (and maybe Horford on Saric and Baynes on Embiid). It should be interesting to see how Stevens sets up the match ups. Lot's of options (Smart could take Simmons also).
The liabilities are clear. But he brings so much on defense. I don't think there's a player in the Sixers' starting five he can't switch onto. Sure, Embiid would have an edge, but it's not a mismatch like Belinelli-Horford. If Semi can get comfortable enough to hit, say, one out of three from beyond the arc and occasionally make a sharp backdoor cut for a layup, that would punish the Sixers for ignoring him. And I think it's reasonable. The Cs missed him all by himself under the rim at least twice last night.
I think Smarf will cover Simmons on switches - he did last night - and in spot duty really bothered him - of course. I don't think Tatum ended up on Simmons much - not sure if that was the Sixers' scheme or the Cs. I think Tatum could have trouble with Simmons' physicality if he gets post position, but Tatum might do a nice job at the perimeter or against a drive.
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Just watched defensive highlites Semi drew a charge ,a deflection, a rebound and played solid on whoever he switched on-
This was another strong outing for the Rookie-21 minutes and +11
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The more run Semi gets the more I like the kid. I can't wait until he develops his shot going forward. He has a good from and a quick release and it's just a matter of getting up a lot of shots this off season and add some confidence. We had a very intense discussion going into this season about Semi versus Crowder. Jae is playing well for Utah but played poorly for Cleveland. I think Semi has a higher ceiling then Jae because he is a better defender then Jae is right now. His offense needs to develop but I think he can be a better shooter then Jae in two years. Great pick and I think he is putting the haters to rest with his play.
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Semi played great and made an important contribution. He also has liabilities. We can get away with that against Milwaukee. We shall see how that works out against the Sixers. I suspect he will continue to play, maybe cover Simmons as some have suggested although I think Tatum can cover him also (and maybe Horford on Saric and Baynes on Embiid). It should be interesting to see how Stevens sets up the match ups. Lot's of options (Smart could take Simmons also).
The liabilities are clear. But he brings so much on defense. I don't think there's a player in the Sixers' starting five he can't switch onto. Sure, Embiid would have an edge, but it's not a mismatch like Belinelli-Horford. If Semi can get comfortable enough to hit, say, one out of three from beyond the arc and occasionally make a sharp backdoor cut for a layup, that would punish the Sixers for ignoring him. And I think it's reasonable. The Cs missed him all by himself under the rim at least twice last night.
I think Smarf will cover Simmons on switches - he did last night - and in spot duty really bothered him - of course. I don't think Tatum ended up on Simmons much - not sure if that was the Sixers' scheme or the Cs. I think Tatum could have trouble with Simmons' physicality if he gets post position, but Tatum might do a nice job at the perimeter or against a drive.
Semi shot 32% from three this season. I think that qualifies as 1 out of three-remember he is still a rookie and he has a history of being able to shoot threes.I think Semi has already proved his worth-he bothered Giannis and did a more than credible job on Simmons and crew.He got a bad rap from one poster with an agenda.
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I agree some go overboard against Semi, but I think lots of people do the same in his favor. He's a good defender, and he can play a role off the bench as a defensive sub. Unless his offense gets a lot better, he won't be more than that. If this team were at full strength, he wouldn't play very much, if at all.
Next year, if Brown, Tatum, Hayward, and Morris are all still on the team and healthy, he won't play very much. That's not a knock on him, I just think he's nothing more than a defensive role player right now. It's not just his shooting that's a problem on offense, he doesn't handle the ball well, he doesn't finish well at the rim, he doesn't get to the free throw line, he doesn't pass well. He adds almost nothing on offense. He's done well with his defensive assignments, but that doesn't mean he's a future star.
Looking at next year's potential roster, subject to change of course, they will have - Kyrie, Brown, Tatum, Hayward, Horford, Rozier, Morris, Theis, maybe Smart and Baynes. That's possibly 10 that would be better than Semi. Now some of those guys might not be around, but I think that Danny would look to add players if they lose anyone. Unless there are injuries I expect Semi to be the 11th or 12th man on the roster at best. That's good for a second round pick, but let's not anoint him as the next big thing just yet.
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Nobodies calling him a star but a useful defensive player against certain match ups and at a very good price.It will be his length that stops him from really making an impact attacking closeouts,rebounding and as any inside presence-
There are very few players that have his vertical, lateral agility,his sprint time with his strength Combined this is unique and what allowed Brad to use him and start him in playoffs as a rookie. I keep watching his defense and i applauded his box out of Saric,his drawing a charge on Simmons his coverage on guards after a awitch
Who wouldn't applaud a rookie role player coming in and being instrumental in Bucks win by covering Giannis and then to follow it with 21 minutes vs Philly and a plus 11.
On offense he doesn't seem to be turnover prone and he did shoot the three at 32% this season and in college 40%..
It doesn't matter that our stars were out it matters how he played when the chips were down.
To reluctantly applaud his playoff success on defense against transformational talent seems counter to being a Celtic fan or some attempt to reinforce a personal agenda
The Celtics are a team and Semi is part of it-so an attack on Semi is an attack on Ainge,an even bigger attack on Brad and all his players.Lets hope Semi hits his threes and plays stellar defense and we win the next game
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Think he’ll be useful against LeBron?
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Physically, he matches up with Lebron about as well as anyone in the league.
But guarding Lebron is a totally different animal than guarding Giannis.
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I can see him starting against Lebron in this series. It keeps our other guys out of foul trouble at least
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Think he’ll be useful against LeBron?
Six fouls baby!!
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I can see him starting against Lebron in this series. It keeps our other guys out of foul trouble at least
I also think he'd be good to start out with. My line up would be Terry, Horford, Brown, Tatum, Semi.
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I can see him starting against Lebron in this series. It keeps our other guys out of foul trouble at least
I also think he'd be good to start out with. My line up would be Terry, Horford, Brown, Tatum, Semi.
Yeah, min too.
Rozier on Hill
Brown on Smith
Tatum on Korver
Semi on Lebron
Horford on Love
Off the bench , Smart and Morris would smack the crap out of Clarkson and Nance
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The downside of this is that LeBron has become a master of resting while playing.
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I can see him starting against Lebron in this series. It keeps our other guys out of foul trouble at least
I also think he'd be good to start out with. My line up would be Terry, Horford, Brown, Tatum, Semi.
Yeah, min too.
Rozier on Hill
Brown on Smith
Tatum on Korver
Semi on Lebron
Horford on Love
Off the bench , Smart and Morris would smack the crap out of Clarkson and Nance
This is very likely
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Rozier on Hill
Brown on Smith
Tatum on Korver
Semi on Lebron
Horford on Love
This is my guess too.......
Bench of Smart, Baynes, Morris and maybe Monroe if TT plays a lot for them. Only think I do not want to happen is Zizzic kill us off the bench. LOL
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I can see him starting against Lebron in this series. It keeps our other guys out of foul trouble at least
I also think he'd be good to start out with. My line up would be Terry, Horford, Brown, Tatum, Semi.
Yeah, min too.
Rozier on Hill
Brown on Smith
Tatum on Korver
Semi on Lebron
Horford on Love
Off the bench , Smart and Morris would smack the crap out of Clarkson and Nance
I would put Brown on Korver and Tatum on Smith. I think Brown is a lot better at chasing players on the defensive end compared to Tatum. But other than that, I agree with your lineup.
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Rozier on Hill
Brown on Smith
Tatum on Korver
Semi on Lebron
Horford on Love
This is my guess too.......
Bench of Smart, Baynes, Morris and maybe Monroe if TT plays a lot for them. Only think I do not want to happen is Zizzic kill us off the bench. LOL
I like this
Then play Morris against him , use all the fouls. Foul him hard. Play very physical
I think we will also see Monroe punish their bench
Go Celts
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Maybe Yabu on Tristant. Get him in foul problems
God he is annoying
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DNP last night! :o
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/the_bball_index/status/1027224759380193280?s=21
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
Haha, that's a long time to grind an ax but I gotta hand it to you, the point was sharp.
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.
Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.
Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.
Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.
Don't be too rash with judgments on players. Give CBS at least a few years to get them into the rhythms of his offense.
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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.
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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.
I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..
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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.
I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..
I see big things for him after the Trade Deadline. I think Morris has a good chance of going at the Deadline for a true big.
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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.
I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..
I see big things for him after the Trade Deadline. I think Morris has a good chance of going at the Deadline for a true big.
That or an injury are the most likely ways Semi stays a part of the rotation. Barring that, there are way too many wings in his way for SF minutes and Horford, Baynes, Morris, and Theis are all in front of him for big man minutes.
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what is amazing he does it honest , not dirty and no trash talking .
Hats off. !
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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.
I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..
I see big things for him after the Trade Deadline. I think Morris has a good chance of going at the Deadline for a true big.
That or an injury are the most likely ways Semi stays a part of the rotation. Barring that, there are way too many wings in his way for SF minutes and Horford, Baynes, Morris, and Theis are all in front of him for big man minutes.
Yeah, this year there are just too many ahead of him at both forward spots. Morris and Theis are pretty natural 4's, and Hayward and Tatum are prob 3's...leaves Semi on the 3rd string/11th man.
But after this season, it's all open, right? I sort of see Ojele in the same spot/role as Morris and Theis, but aren't all 3 free agents after this year?
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Yep, Semi was a bad offensive player last season. He got thrown into the fire before he was really ready but I think he looked confident in Summer League and I expect he's improved. When everyone's healthy, he's still not part of the regular rotation but that just goes to show how much depth this team will have.
I actually think they like Semi and will keep him around. He's going to be one of the key bench guys when Tatum/Brown are running things. He's going to in the Morris role at some point..
I see big things for him after the Trade Deadline. I think Morris has a good chance of going at the Deadline for a true big.
That or an injury are the most likely ways Semi stays a part of the rotation. Barring that, there are way too many wings in his way for SF minutes and Horford, Baynes, Morris, and Theis are all in front of him for big man minutes.
Yeah, this year there are just too many ahead of him at both forward spots. Morris and Theis are pretty natural 4's, and Hayward and Tatum are prob 3's...leaves Semi on the 3rd string/11th man.
But after this season, it's all open, right? I sort of see Ojele in the same spot/role as Morris and Theis, but aren't all 3 free agents after this year?
Morris and Theis yes. Semi has a team option the following 2 seasons and given his defensive abilities and how much the Celtics will be hunting for cheap deals I'd bet on them picking up that option.
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Playing in all those playoff games and coming into his second year should give him a confidence boost and get him to relax on offense. I'm hoping for a continuation of solid D on the second unit and a bit better offensive year.
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.
Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.
Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.
I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.
Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.
Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.
I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.
Solid rebuttal and TP to you. I can admit when a solid point was made against what I said.
I still think he has room to develop, and I think he has the potential to develop more offensively than Roberson, Thomas, or Acy.
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.
Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.
Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.
I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.
Year 2 Rozier was only 8 months younger than Semi and shot 37/32 from the field.
He’s a completely different player than Rozier, but at 23 his abilities are not set in stone, as Rozier’s weren’t.
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.
Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.
Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.
I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.
Year 2 Rozier was only 8 months younger than Semi and shot 37/32 from the field.
He’s a completely different player than Rozier, but at 23 his abilities are not set in stone, as Rozier’s weren’t.
Also look to preferred Semi comp Jae Crowder, who was a 22 year old rookie (with admittedly better numbers than Semi) averaging 4 ppg in Dallas for 2.5 seasons and then averaged almost 13 ppg in Boston over the next 2.5 years.
Players do still get better later in their 20's.
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.
Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.
Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.
I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.
Year 2 Rozier was only 8 months younger than Semi and shot 37/32 from the field.
He’s a completely different player than Rozier, but at 23 his abilities are not set in stone, as Rozier’s weren’t.
Also look to preferred Semi comp Jae Crowder, who was a 22 year old rookie (with admittedly better numbers than Semi) averaging 4 ppg in Dallas for 2.5 seasons and then averaged almost 13 ppg in Boston over the next 2.5 years.
Players do still get better later in their 20's.
To be honest, I don't think Crowder improved as much as people think. What changed the most was opportunity. Even in Dallas, he was always a solid player, had more to his game than Semi, and his issue was always hitting perimeter shots. That said, he had one lone season where he shot the 3 pretty well, but overall his 3pt ability never changed. Here is his yearly 3PT% -
32.8
33.1
29.3 (34.2 w/ Dallas - 28.2 w/ Boston)
33.6
39.8
32.3 (32.8 w/ Cle - 31.6 w/ Utah)
Here are Crowder's highlights with the Mavericks. He's basically the same player he was in Boston with less opportunity and wasn't ever as mechanical (trying to be nice) as Semi is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKqYLzSdito
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5 worst rated offensive players per out competency grading model in the 2017-18 season (minimum 1,000 minutes to qualify, 275 players total):
275. Semi Ojeleye - F
274. Quincy Acy - F
273. Andre Roberson - D-
272. Lance Thomas - D-
271. Wesley Iwundu - D-
#NBAPlayerGrades
https://twitter.com/The_BBall_Index/status/1027222907519475712
To be fair, Acy, Roberson, and Thomas are all vets.
Yes, but Semi IS a horrible offensive player. Totally lost there. Baynes is also a train wreck on O but can at least play well enough to not make the team lose games while he's playing out there.
Yes, but he was a rookie. Look at Rozier's rookie stats. 2 ppg on 27% fg and 22 3fg%. 81 offensive rating. In year 3, Rozier was the starting point guard on an Eastern Conference playoff finalist.
I see this example posted a lot and it completely misses, or purposely ignores, their age during their said rookie season. Semi is turning 24 in December, while Rozier, who is about the begin his 4th NBA season, is currently 24.
Year 2 Rozier was only 8 months younger than Semi and shot 37/32 from the field.
He’s a completely different player than Rozier, but at 23 his abilities are not set in stone, as Rozier’s weren’t.
Also look to preferred Semi comp Jae Crowder, who was a 22 year old rookie (with admittedly better numbers than Semi) averaging 4 ppg in Dallas for 2.5 seasons and then averaged almost 13 ppg in Boston over the next 2.5 years.
Players do still get better later in their 20's.
To be honest, I don't think Crowder improved as much as people think. What changed the most was opportunity. Even in Dallas, he was always a solid player, had more to his game than Semi, and his issue was always hitting perimeter shots. That said, he had one lone season where he shot the 3 pretty well, but overall his 3pt ability never changed. Here is his yearly 3PT% -
32.8
33.1
29.3 (34.2 w/ Dallas - 28.2 w/ Boston)
33.6
39.8
32.3 (32.8 w/ Cle - 31.6 w/ Utah)
Here are Crowder's highlights with the Mavericks. He's basically the same player he was in Boston with less opportunity and wasn't ever as mechanical (trying to be nice) as Semi is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKqYLzSdito
Crowder's usage rate in his highest Dallas year was 15.3%. His highest Boston number was 18.5% (about the league average for any player with at least 1000 min). He had somewhat more opportunity in Boston but never had to carry an offense or anything so was able to stay relatively efficient and have a nice little career.
Semi had a 9% usage rate and was still a very poor offensive player. That is very concerning. Now he was a rookie so picking on him is a bit unfair but with 9% usage in his 2nd year we would really like to see him achieve average efficiency. If not he will become almost unplayable except in very small segments of time..