thoughts on the Pacers? a lot of the projections and experts aren't that high on them, i think they can challenge for the 2 seedOverrated, IMO. Paul George is great, Jeff Teague is pretty good, but Al Jefferson is a throwback center and might not even start. I like Myles Turner. Still don't think they are as good as ATL, TOR or BOS. I put them at 5th seed in the East.
thoughts on the Pacers? a lot of the projections and experts aren't that high on them, i think they can challenge for the 2 seedAs a minimum, I expect them to be in contention for the third seed together with Atlanta.
thoughts on the Pacers? a lot of the projections and experts aren't that high on them, i think they can challenge for the 2 seedAs a minimum, I expect them to be in contention for the third seed together with Atlanta.
Who's going to be some League Pass teams to watch this year?
Minny should be a pretty fun one to watch, and of course we'll all be watching the Nets pretty much every night. OKC and Westbrook should be another good one.
Who else should I keep on my radar?
Blackouts suck, me being a cord cutter, I have none of the local channels such as yes, and msg. I end up missing 8 games a season due to blackoutsWho's going to be some League Pass teams to watch this year?
Minny should be a pretty fun one to watch, and of course we'll all be watching the Nets pretty much every night. OKC and Westbrook should be another good one.
Who else should I keep on my radar?
Speaking of league pass, can anyone share their experience with it?
I was thinking about getting it but I've heard nothing but horrible things regarding it.
Who's going to be some League Pass teams to watch this year?
Minny should be a pretty fun one to watch, and of course we'll all be watching the Nets pretty much every night. OKC and Westbrook should be another good one.
Who else should I keep on my radar?
Speaking of league pass, can anyone share their experience with it?
I was thinking about getting it but I've heard nothing but horrible things regarding it.
Who's going to be some League Pass teams to watch this year?Cavs left Lebron and love in 4th to really run up the score and have Lebron get a triple double. Seems a bit weird for a long season with much bigger goals.
Minny should be a pretty fun one to watch, and of course we'll all be watching the Nets pretty much every night. OKC and Westbrook should be another good one.
Who else should I keep on my radar?
Speaking of league pass, can anyone share their experience with it?
I was thinking about getting it but I've heard nothing but horrible things regarding it.
If you like watching basketball, it's definitely worth the $200. During the season, I'd be watching some sort of basketball every night.
I *highly* prefer the tv package deal rather than Broadband. I have ordered it through Verizon FIOS in the past three years, and this is the first year I've had any issues with anything, though it's mainly them not airing preseason games. I ordered it through Dish Network previously, and it worked well.
It also depends on where you live and what blackout restrictions you have. I'm technically in the Cleveland blackout restricted area, but I haven't actually been blacked out the last two years. If you live in the Northeast near Boston and that's who you really want to watch, then you should go with their local channels to watch the C's to avoid the blackouts.
EDIT: As Denis998 said above, you have to have pretty fast internet to watch it through NBALP Broadband. I don't generally have a problem with 50 mbps, but it does lag at times if there are several other devices being used while I'm watching the game.
League pass is free for the 1st week of the season so try it out yourself.Who's going to be some League Pass teams to watch this year?
Minny should be a pretty fun one to watch, and of course we'll all be watching the Nets pretty much every night. OKC and Westbrook should be another good one.
Who else should I keep on my radar?
Speaking of league pass, can anyone share their experience with it?
I was thinking about getting it but I've heard nothing but horrible things regarding it.
agreed. health is the key, I could see them as the 2 seed if they pull it togetherthoughts on the Pacers? a lot of the projections and experts aren't that high on them, i think they can challenge for the 2 seedAs a minimum, I expect them to be in contention for the third seed together with Atlanta.
Yeah, I think they're a top 4 team in the East if healthy.
thoughts on the Pacers? a lot of the projections and experts aren't that high on them, i think they can challenge for the 2 seedOverrated, IMO. Paul George is great, Jeff Teague is pretty good, but Al Jefferson is a throwback center and might not even start. I like Myles Turner. Still don't think they are as good as ATL, TOR or BOS. I put them at 5th seed in the East.
Warriors' defense is clearly not the same with Zaza as Bogut.its been like 2 minutes. Also, didn't the spurs win 67 games last year ? Aldridge and now Pau are a ton to handle. There's almost enough talent on the spurs to lose by less than 30.
Warriors' defense is clearly not the same with Zaza as Bogut.its been like 2 minutes. Also, didn't the spurs win 67 games last year ? Aldridge and now Pau are a ton to handle. There's almost enough talent on the spurs to lose by less than 30.
warriors started this game very sloppy. They might score less than 150 tonight. Wow. That would be a big embarrassment for them.Warriors' defense is clearly not the same with Zaza as Bogut.its been like 2 minutes. Also, didn't the spurs win 67 games last year ? Aldridge and now Pau are a ton to handle. There's almost enough talent on the spurs to lose by less than 30.
It wasn't the same all through preseason either.
Hayward and Favors out, and Utah still looks quite solid.
Decent challenge for the warriors right out of the gate. Let's see if the spurs can keep the blowout under 30.
Seriously though the spurs look great per usual.Only the Spurs could pick up David Lee and make him look like a damed all-star
Lol no. They really can't play any worse than they have been playing. They look like a d league team in the first half missing layups and throwing the ball away. Spurs might be the second best team in the league. That said, if that loaded warriors team loses this or any other game this season they should be completely ashamed of themselves.Decent challenge for the warriors right out of the gate. Let's see if the spurs can keep the blowout under 30.
Yeah, this is why you should really pump the brakes on this whole exaggerated GS narrative that you've been preaching the last four months. They still have a lot to prove
HA! Lots of unhappy Warrior bandwagon fans about now that weren't living in reality and were expecting a blowout (speaking about my Facebook).
They've got some serious work to do on their D before they're championship-worthy. They look like Swiss cheese right now. It begs the question of what many of us were asking this summer - is the added offense to an already league-leading offense really worth all of the losses elsewhere?
And you've got to hand it to the Spurs. They're much better than I thought they were going to be, though you can see Duncan's absence in the defensive presence and rotations.
warriors started this game very sloppy. They might score less than 150 tonight. Wow. That would be a big embarrassment for them.Warriors' defense is clearly not the same with Zaza as Bogut.its been like 2 minutes. Also, didn't the spurs win 67 games last year ? Aldridge and now Pau are a ton to handle. There's almost enough talent on the spurs to lose by less than 30.
It wasn't the same all through preseason either.
why are the coaches and Reggie Miller wearing similar ties?
Lol no. They really can't play any worse than they have been playing. They look like a d league team in the first half missing layups and throwing the ball away. Spurs might be the second best team in the league. That said, if that loaded warriors team loses this or any other game this season they should be completely ashamed of themselves.Decent challenge for the warriors right out of the gate. Let's see if the spurs can keep the blowout under 30.
Yeah, this is why you should really pump the brakes on this whole exaggerated GS narrative that you've been preaching the last four months. They still have a lot to prove
This narrative you have pushing that the warriors will not easily win 82 games this season is ridiculous
HA! Lots of unhappy Warrior bandwagon fans about now that weren't living in reality and were expecting a blowout (speaking about my Facebook).
HA! Lots of unhappy Warrior bandwagon fans about now that weren't living in reality and were expecting a blowout (speaking about my Facebook).
I can tell you the one actual Warriors fan I know was actually dissapointed they got Durant, no lie. He said he was happy with the offense how it was and thought Durant would change things too much. Wondered where the shots would go.
Anyways, like I said in the other thread, I thought they would suck inside and their bench would suck and so far that's looking quite true. They'll win plenty of games for sure but this team is not invulnerable. Zaza looks terrible.
HA! Lots of unhappy Warrior bandwagon fans about now that weren't living in reality and were expecting a blowout (speaking about my Facebook).
I can tell you the one actual Warriors fan I know was actually dissapointed they got Durant, no lie. He said he was happy with the offense how it was and thought Durant would change things too much. Wondered where the shots would go.
Anyways, like I said in the other thread, I thought they would suck inside and their bench would suck and so far that's looking quite true. They'll win plenty of games for sure but this team is not invulnerable. Zaza looks terrible.
Yeah I had a roommate from the Bay Area who became a bandwagon Dubs fan who didn't like the Durant signing.
LOLOLOLOL at Durant and the warriors. How humiliating for them. No team with that much talent should lose a single game. I hope this one keeps them up at night as they rattle off 15 championships in a row.
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Greatest upset in sports history ? Like 10x worse than Buster Douglas knocking out Tyson.
HA! Lots of unhappy Warrior bandwagon fans about now that weren't living in reality and were expecting a blowout (speaking about my Facebook).yeah seriously though despite the curb stomping, you can see that stylistically they are going to be fine. Chemistry isn't going to be a problem. Lots of turnovers, terrible defense, and the spurs being potentially better than the one that quietly won 67 games last year play into the opening day loss. If you watched this game and your takeaway was "haha I knew they would have trouble coexisting", you don't know this sport very well. This warriors team will still be more dangerous than the team that won 73 last year.
They've got some serious work to do on their D before they're championship-worthy. They look like Swiss cheese right now. It begs the question of what many of us were asking this summer - is the added offense to an already league-leading offense really worth all of the losses elsewhere?
And you've got to hand it to the Spurs. They're much better than I thought they were going to be, though you can see Duncan's absence in the defensive presence and rotations.
LOLOLOLOL at Durant and the warriors. How humiliating for them. No team with that much talent should lose a single game. I hope this one keeps them up at night as they rattle off 15 championships in a row.
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Greatest upset in sports history ? Like 10x worse than Buster Douglas knocking out Tyson.
HA! Lots of unhappy Warrior bandwagon fans about now that weren't living in reality and were expecting a blowout (speaking about my Facebook).yeah seriously though despite the curb stomping, you can see that stylistically they are going to be fine. Chemistry isn't going to be a problem. Lots of turnovers, terrible defense, and the spurs being potentially better than the one that quietly won 67 games last year play into the opening day loss. If you watched this game and your takeaway was "haha I knew they would have trouble coexisting", you don't know this sport very well. This warriors team will still be more dangerous than the team that won 73 last year.
They've got some serious work to do on their D before they're championship-worthy. They look like Swiss cheese right now. It begs the question of what many of us were asking this summer - is the added offense to an already league-leading offense really worth all of the losses elsewhere?
And you've got to hand it to the Spurs. They're much better than I thought they were going to be, though you can see Duncan's absence in the defensive presence and rotations.
You are an extremely quality poster, but instead you spend your time making very outrageous statements, and then acting offended when people call you on them and are proven false
You are an extremely quality poster, but instead you spend your time making very outrageous statements, and then acting offended when people call you on them and are proven false
You can't make an outrageous statement at the same time as you are calling him out for making one.
This sounds like the 2010-2011 Heat when they first started off.
For whatever reason, he chooses to play extreme Devils advocate, almost all the time, and then not own up to the extremism of many of his posts.
It has been a distinct pleasure getting to watch Kawhi Leonard gradually become awesome.
Dude, who is this Simmons kid??
It has been a distinct pleasure getting to watch Kawhi Leonard gradually become awesome.
He's got a real shot at MVP + DPOY this year.
For whatever reason, he chooses to play extreme Devils advocate, almost all the time, and then not own up to the extremism of many of his posts.
It's called trolling. He has an Andy Kaufman avatar for a reason.
It's all very on the nose. Know what you are dealing with.
Devils advocate? How is it devil's advocate to agree that the Warriors are the favorites. They are -150 favorites to win the title. I think I read today that Vegas has the odds of the Warriors winning the title as greater than all other teams combined.
For whatever reason, he chooses to play extreme Devils advocate, almost all the time, and then not own up to the extremism of many of his posts.
It's called trolling. He has an Andy Kaufman avatar for a reason.
It's all very on the nose. Know what you are dealing with.
Devils advocate? How is it devil's advocate to agree that the Warriors are the favorites. They are -150 favorites to win the title. I think I read today that Vegas has the odds of the Warriors winning the title as greater than all other teams combined.
For whatever reason, he chooses to play extreme Devils advocate, almost all the time, and then not own up to the extremism of many of his posts.
It's called trolling. He has an Andy Kaufman avatar for a reason.
It's all very on the nose. Know what you are dealing with.
Trolling? There needs to be a target for that. Does someone get angry or offended if you jokingly suggest the Warriors are going 82-0? What kind of person gets angry or offended by that?
It's called being tongue in cheek. Nobody seriously expects the Warriors to go 82-0 this season. That's impossible. Nobody genuinely expected the Warriors to blow out the Spurs by 30 points and go 82-0. Obviously everyone knows they are going 81-1.
Ya'll throw around your trigger terms willy nilly.
Anyways... hilarious loss by the Warriors today. Great start to the season. Here's hoping that spineless anti-competitive sissy Durant and his group of frontrunning punks lose every game. Lol
Devils advocate? How is it devil's advocate to agree that the Warriors are the favorites. They are -150 favorites to win the title. I think I read today that Vegas has the odds of the Warriors winning the title as greater than all other teams combined.
For whatever reason, he chooses to play extreme Devils advocate, almost all the time, and then not own up to the extremism of many of his posts.
It's called trolling. He has an Andy Kaufman avatar for a reason.
It's all very on the nose. Know what you are dealing with.
Trolling? There needs to be a target for that. Does someone get angry or offended if you jokingly suggest the Warriors are going 82-0? What kind of person gets angry or offended by that?
It's called being tongue in cheek. Nobody seriously expects the Warriors to go 82-0 this season. That's impossible. Nobody genuinely expected the Warriors to blow out the Spurs by 30 points and go 82-0. Obviously everyone knows they are going 81-1.
Ya'll throw around your trigger terms willy nilly.
Anyways... hilarious loss by the Warriors today. Great start to the season. Here's hoping that spineless anti-competitive sissy Durant and his group of frontrunning punks lose every game. Lol
its intentional hyperbole. Who cares. Warriors added a top 3 player to a 73 win team. That's undeniably unprecedented. The league is doomed for the next decade.Devils advocate? How is it devil's advocate to agree that the Warriors are the favorites. They are -150 favorites to win the title. I think I read today that Vegas has the odds of the Warriors winning the title as greater than all other teams combined.
For whatever reason, he chooses to play extreme Devils advocate, almost all the time, and then not own up to the extremism of many of his posts.
It's called trolling. He has an Andy Kaufman avatar for a reason.
It's all very on the nose. Know what you are dealing with.
Trolling? There needs to be a target for that. Does someone get angry or offended if you jokingly suggest the Warriors are going 82-0? What kind of person gets angry or offended by that?
It's called being tongue in cheek. Nobody seriously expects the Warriors to go 82-0 this season. That's impossible. Nobody genuinely expected the Warriors to blow out the Spurs by 30 points and go 82-0. Obviously everyone knows they are going 81-1.
Ya'll throw around your trigger terms willy nilly.
Anyways... hilarious loss by the Warriors today. Great start to the season. Here's hoping that spineless anti-competitive sissy Durant and his group of frontrunning punks lose every game. Lol
You didn't just say the Warriors are the favorite to win the tutle. Obviously they are.
You said they are the greatest collection of talent on any sports team in North America in the modern era. You said they would steamroll the league and no one else had a shot.
AND 5hen, you act like the outrageous statements you make aren't outrageous at all.
9/10 for getting one last response from me.
Like, I said, I don't understand why you feel the need to be this way.
Anthony Davis through 3 quarters:
40 points 10 rebounds 4 assists 6 steals 3 blocks 1 turnover
And they're trailing.
OKC is just not as good as we thought they'd be.
OKC is just not as good as we thought they'd be.
Yeah personally I have not thought all that much of them. Definitely need to see it before I believe it.
Anthony Davis through 3 quarters:i hope AD stays healthy while new orleans grooms him for us
40 points 10 rebounds 4 assists 6 steals 3 blocks 1 turnover
And they're trailing.
Anthony Davis through 3 quarters:i hope AD stays healthy while new orleans grooms him for us
40 points 10 rebounds 4 assists 6 steals 3 blocks 1 turnover
And they're trailing.
Harden in the MDA system...wow. 12 and 9 at the end of 1.I watched for a few minutes. As PG the ball is in his hands a lot. D'Antoni has them getting shots up.
Why is D'Angelo so good??Russell showed star potential as a rookie. Kid has a really bright future.
Also, lots of Lakers fans compare Randle to Draymond. Randle has 12 pts, 3 rebounds, and 5 assists. While the defense isnt there, he does seem to be showing the passing skills...are they really right?
Why is D'Angelo so good??Russell showed star potential as a rookie. Kid has a really bright future.
Also, lots of Lakers fans compare Randle to Draymond. Randle has 12 pts, 3 rebounds, and 5 assists. While the defense isnt there, he does seem to be showing the passing skills...are they really right?
Markelle Fultz is considered a more athletic D'Angelo Russell. Just putting that out there. #NetsPick
Markelle Fultz is considered a more athletic D'Angelo Russell. Just putting that out there. #NetsPick
can he shoot it as well as russell can though? his stroke is so, SO nice. literally every shot he takes from deep, i expect it to go in.
i normally hate showy young players, ESPECIALLY if theyre lakers, but this kid, man. his swagger is awesome
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/791493533702250496
Markelle Fultz is considered a more athletic D'Angelo Russell. Just putting that out there. #NetsPick
can he shoot it as well as russell can though? his stroke is so, SO nice. literally every shot he takes from deep, i expect it to go in.
i normally hate showy young players, ESPECIALLY if theyre lakers, but this kid, man. his swagger is awesome
https://twitter.com/ESPNNBA/status/791493533702250496
It's probably not as good, no. But, DLoading's stroke wasn't this good in college. He's gotten his release to be SO quick.
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Another classic example of good stats on a bad team guy. 18 and 7 on 9-11 shooting, yet he's a -8 in +/-. He'll leapfrog Marcus when he starts making regular positive impacts on the game.
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Another classic example of good stats on a bad team guy. 18 and 7 on 9-11 shooting, yet he's a -8 in +/-. He'll leapfrog Marcus when he starts making regular positive impacts on the game.
To be fair, that's what I thought about Clarkson, and here he is, making all the winning plays in this game.
Also, at some point, you have to figure that that argument doesn't always work. Those are good numbers, against actual NBA players.
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Another classic example of good stats on a bad team guy. 18 and 7 on 9-11 shooting, yet he's a -8 in +/-. He'll leapfrog Marcus when he starts making regular positive impacts on the game.
To be fair, that's what I thought about Clarkson, and here he is, making all the winning plays in this game.
Also, at some point, you have to figure that that argument doesn't always work. Those are good numbers, against actual NBA players.
Well, also look at who they're playing - the Rockets, who will most likely be a bottom defensive team of the league. But this has been the problem with Randle the entire time. He'd always put up decent to good offensive numbers, but his defense was atrocious and he didn't really help his team at all. He's also kind of a black hole when he gets the ball being overly ball-dominant and single-minded. He had 6 assists tonight, but he generally kills the ball movement by making ill-advised decisions. His ball-dominance also leads to increased turnovers, too.
I just think he's long been overrated. I honestly don't think he's going to be that much better than Brandon Bass overall. He'll be a bit better offensively and possibly on the boards, but he doesn't have the defensive versatility or skills that Bass had.
I have to admit, I don't like that the Lakers finally look like a good NBA team. It's worse when you live in SoCal with Lakers fans all around you too.
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Another classic example of good stats on a bad team guy. 18 and 7 on 9-11 shooting, yet he's a -8 in +/-. He'll leapfrog Marcus when he starts making regular positive impacts on the game.
To be fair, that's what I thought about Clarkson, and here he is, making all the winning plays in this game.
Also, at some point, you have to figure that that argument doesn't always work. Those are good numbers, against actual NBA players.
Well, also look at who they're playing - the Rockets, who will most likely be a bottom defensive team of the league. But this has been the problem with Randle the entire time. He'd always put up decent to good offensive numbers, but his defense was atrocious and he didn't really help his team at all. He's also kind of a black hole when he gets the ball being overly ball-dominant and single-minded. He had 6 assists tonight, but he generally kills the ball movement by making ill-advised decisions. His ball-dominance also leads to increased turnovers, too.
I just think he's long been overrated. I honestly don't think he's going to be that much better than Brandon Bass overall. He'll be a bit better offensively and possibly on the boards, but he doesn't have the defensive versatility or skills that Bass had.
I've had Lakers fans tell me that Walton wants to use Randle as their version of Draymond (a passing big who can also score and rebound), so the 6 assists seems to go along with that. It'll be interesting to see whether Walton can hide their weaknesses efficiently.
What's your thoughts on Clarkson? I hate that he always gets compared to Smart since they were in the same draft class, and Lakers fans calling him much better than Smart and yadda yadda yadda whatever else they say.
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Another classic example of good stats on a bad team guy. 18 and 7 on 9-11 shooting, yet he's a -8 in +/-. He'll leapfrog Marcus when he starts making regular positive impacts on the game.
To be fair, that's what I thought about Clarkson, and here he is, making all the winning plays in this game.
Also, at some point, you have to figure that that argument doesn't always work. Those are good numbers, against actual NBA players.
Well, also look at who they're playing - the Rockets, who will most likely be a bottom defensive team of the league. But this has been the problem with Randle the entire time. He'd always put up decent to good offensive numbers, but his defense was atrocious and he didn't really help his team at all. He's also kind of a black hole when he gets the ball being overly ball-dominant and single-minded. He had 6 assists tonight, but he generally kills the ball movement by making ill-advised decisions. His ball-dominance also leads to increased turnovers, too.
I just think he's long been overrated. I honestly don't think he's going to be that much better than Brandon Bass overall. He'll be a bit better offensively and possibly on the boards, but he doesn't have the defensive versatility or skills that Bass had.
I've had Lakers fans tell me that Walton wants to use Randle as their version of Draymond (a passing big who can also score and rebound), so the 6 assists seems to go along with that. It'll be interesting to see whether Walton can hide their weaknesses efficiently.
What's your thoughts on Clarkson? I hate that he always gets compared to Smart since they were in the same draft class, and Lakers fans calling him much better than Smart and yadda yadda yadda whatever else they say.
I don't think Randle has the mentality that Draymond has. Draymond actually LIKES to distribute the ball, where I don't see that at all with Randle. And we're not even going to begin to compare them defensively lol
Clarkson is a bit different. I can see the argument that he's better than Smart, because offense is more prominently noticed than defense in the NBA, which he's been pretty good at. But I take the two-way Smart over the one-way Clark every day. I also think Clarkson is about as good as he's going to get, whereas I think Smart's ceiling is still ways away (whether or not he'll ever reach it is the ultimate question). If Smart could just get that shot down to be more consistent at an average level, he has all of the tools to be a two-way star in this league in the mold of someone like Lowry, though less of a shooter with a more well-rounded passing offensive game, along with his otherworldly defense.
I think Russell could really turn out awesome. Too early to have any kind of opinion on Ingram, but I honestly do like brown more. Clarkson may be starting to win me over but would have to see consistently on a winning team. Randle is the toughest one for me to see being a good player on a good team. He really is like prime Eddie curry who had a few seasons with really good stats but the teams were always awful (mainly the Knicks) because of his limitations on defense and elsewhere. I still think smart gms would prefer smart over randle and casual fans will get sucked in by randle's flashier stats and think he is better. There is a chance nance is actually a better player.
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Another classic example of good stats on a bad team guy. 18 and 7 on 9-11 shooting, yet he's a -8 in +/-. He'll leapfrog Marcus when he starts making regular positive impacts on the game.
To be fair, that's what I thought about Clarkson, and here he is, making all the winning plays in this game.
Also, at some point, you have to figure that that argument doesn't always work. Those are good numbers, against actual NBA players.
Well, also look at who they're playing - the Rockets, who will most likely be a bottom defensive team of the league. But this has been the problem with Randle the entire time. He'd always put up decent to good offensive numbers, but his defense was atrocious and he didn't really help his team at all. He's also kind of a black hole when he gets the ball being overly ball-dominant and single-minded. He had 6 assists tonight, but he generally kills the ball movement by making ill-advised decisions. His ball-dominance also leads to increased turnovers, too.
I just think he's long been overrated. I honestly don't think he's going to be that much better than Brandon Bass overall. He'll be a bit better offensively and possibly on the boards, but he doesn't have the defensive versatility or skills that Bass had.
I've had Lakers fans tell me that Walton wants to use Randle as their version of Draymond (a passing big who can also score and rebound), so the 6 assists seems to go along with that. It'll be interesting to see whether Walton can hide their weaknesses efficiently.
What's your thoughts on Clarkson? I hate that he always gets compared to Smart since they were in the same draft class, and Lakers fans calling him much better than Smart and yadda yadda yadda whatever else they say.
I don't think Randle has the mentality that Draymond has. Draymond actually LIKES to distribute the ball, where I don't see that at all with Randle. And we're not even going to begin to compare them defensively lol
Clarkson is a bit different. I can see the argument that he's better than Smart, because offense is more prominently noticed than defense in the NBA, which he's been pretty good at. But I take the two-way Smart over the one-way Clark every day. I also think Clarkson is about as good as he's going to get, whereas I think Smart's ceiling is still ways away (whether or not he'll ever reach it is the ultimate question). If Smart could just get that shot down to be more consistent at an average level, he has all of the tools to be a two-way star in this league in the mold of someone like Lowry, though less of a shooter with a more well-rounded passing offensive game, along with his otherworldly defense.
Good points all around.
Sorry I'm asking so much, it's just that, I'm so subconscious of whether the Lakers are building their team better than us, that I want more opinions from Celtics fans. Everyone in LA loves their Lakers, and rightfully so, but they aren't ever open to discuss player weaknesses or discuss the Celtics rebuild. And of course, it sucks when friends who are Lakers fans come up to you and boast about "the future warriors" and "KD 2.0 and steph 2.0" and "young core" this and "young core" that. Kinda gets old after awhile. So yeah, thanks, good discussion. Here's a TP, btw.
Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Another classic example of good stats on a bad team guy. 18 and 7 on 9-11 shooting, yet he's a -8 in +/-. He'll leapfrog Marcus when he starts making regular positive impacts on the game.
To be fair, that's what I thought about Clarkson, and here he is, making all the winning plays in this game.
Also, at some point, you have to figure that that argument doesn't always work. Those are good numbers, against actual NBA players.
Well, also look at who they're playing - the Rockets, who will most likely be a bottom defensive team of the league. But this has been the problem with Randle the entire time. He'd always put up decent to good offensive numbers, but his defense was atrocious and he didn't really help his team at all. He's also kind of a black hole when he gets the ball being overly ball-dominant and single-minded. He had 6 assists tonight, but he generally kills the ball movement by making ill-advised decisions. His ball-dominance also leads to increased turnovers, too.
I just think he's long been overrated. I honestly don't think he's going to be that much better than Brandon Bass overall. He'll be a bit better offensively and possibly on the boards, but he doesn't have the defensive versatility or skills that Bass had.
I've had Lakers fans tell me that Walton wants to use Randle as their version of Draymond (a passing big who can also score and rebound), so the 6 assists seems to go along with that. It'll be interesting to see whether Walton can hide their weaknesses efficiently.
What's your thoughts on Clarkson? I hate that he always gets compared to Smart since they were in the same draft class, and Lakers fans calling him much better than Smart and yadda yadda yadda whatever else they say.
I don't think Randle has the mentality that Draymond has. Draymond actually LIKES to distribute the ball, where I don't see that at all with Randle. And we're not even going to begin to compare them defensively lol
Clarkson is a bit different. I can see the argument that he's better than Smart, because offense is more prominently noticed than defense in the NBA, which he's been pretty good at. But I take the two-way Smart over the one-way Clark every day. I also think Clarkson is about as good as he's going to get, whereas I think Smart's ceiling is still ways away (whether or not he'll ever reach it is the ultimate question). If Smart could just get that shot down to be more consistent at an average level, he has all of the tools to be a two-way star in this league in the mold of someone like Lowry, though less of a shooter with a more well-rounded passing offensive game, along with his otherworldly defense.
Good points all around.
Sorry I'm asking so much, it's just that, I'm so subconscious of whether the Lakers are building their team better than us, that I want more opinions from Celtics fans. Everyone in LA loves their Lakers, and rightfully so, but they aren't ever open to discuss player weaknesses or discuss the Celtics rebuild. And of course, it sucks when friends who are Lakers fans come up to you and boast about "the future warriors" and "KD 2.0 and steph 2.0" and "young core" this and "young core" that. Kinda gets old after awhile. So yeah, thanks, good discussion. Here's a TP, btw.
TP back at ya.
I don't know what's worse - having to converse basketball with Lakers fans or not having anyone to converse basketball with at all lol I've lived near either St. Louis or Pittsburgh my entire life, which are both huge sports cities that don't have basketball. I'm not really a fan of any other sport, and with no real NBA team around, most people from those areas don't watch the NBA.
But I did watch the 2010 NBA Finals Game 7 with 2 Lakers fans. Wasn't a great experience for me lol
EDIT: Actually, I take that back. I do have some friends that are NBA fans, but they're Lebron James lovers. You know, the type that are die-hard Cavs fans to die-hard Heat fans back to die-hard Cavs fans. They get pretty annoying.
I think Russell could really turn out awesome. Too early to have any kind of opinion on Ingram, but I honestly do like brown more. Clarkson may be starting to win me over but would have to see consistently on a winning team. Randle is the toughest one for me to see being a good player on a good team. He really is like prime Eddie curry who had a few seasons with really good stats but the teams were always awful (mainly the Knicks) because of his limitations on defense and elsewhere. I still think smart gms would prefer smart over randle and casual fans will get sucked in by randle's flashier stats and think he is better. There is a chance nance is actually a better player.
I think Russell could really turn out awesome. Too early to have any kind of opinion on Ingram, but I honestly do like brown more. Clarkson may be starting to win me over but would have to see consistently on a winning team. Randle is the toughest one for me to see being a good player on a good team. He really is like prime Eddie curry who had a few seasons with really good stats but the teams were always awful (mainly the Knicks) because of his limitations on defense and elsewhere. I still think smart gms would prefer smart over randle and casual fans will get sucked in by randle's flashier stats and think he is better. There is a chance nance is actually a better player.
I think David Lee/Carlos Boozer is the accurate comp for Randle. Offensively talented but defensively inept. So much so that their teams didn't skip a beat or got better when they left.
The optimistic comparison for Randle is Zach Randolph, and Randolph was in the Lee/Boozer category until he was put on his 4th team in his 10th year, and it was total luck.
I think Russell could really turn out awesome. Too early to have any kind of opinion on Ingram, but I honestly do like brown more. Clarkson may be starting to win me over but would have to see consistently on a winning team. Randle is the toughest one for me to see being a good player on a good team. He really is like prime Eddie curry who had a few seasons with really good stats but the teams were always awful (mainly the Knicks) because of his limitations on defense and elsewhere. I still think smart gms would prefer smart over randle and casual fans will get sucked in by randle's flashier stats and think he is better. There is a chance nance is actually a better player.
I think David Lee/Carlos Boozer is the accurate comp for Randle. Offensively talented but defensively inept. So much so that their teams didn't skip a beat or got better when they left.
The optimistic comparison for Randle is Zach Randolph, and Randolph was in the Lee/Boozer category until he was put on his 4th team in his 10th year, and it was total luck.
Boozer was a weird player. Wasn't he like essentially out of the league by 30?
One can't criticize randle's shot in a comparison to Marcus smart. I have had Smart slightly ahead of randle, but that's mostly just me being a homer. Randle might have surpassed him.Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Nope, not at least until Randle learns to have a consistent shooting outside 5ft in the post. Randle is still one dimensional at this point while Smart is on his way for All-Defensive Team nomination.
Boozer was a weird player. Wasn't he like essentially out of the league by 30?Given that he averaged 16 and 10 for the Bulls at an age of 31 -- and then proceeded to play for two more seasons... No, he wasn't.
One can't criticize randle's shot in a comparison to Marcus smart. I have had Smart slightly ahead of randle, but that's mostly just me being a homer. Randle might have surpassed him.Has Julius Randle leapfrogged Marcus Smart yet?
Nope, not at least until Randle learns to have a consistent shooting outside 5ft in the post. Randle is still one dimensional at this point while Smart is on his way for All-Defensive Team nomination.
Lakers looked like an elite team tonight. They're a dangerous team in the West now...watch out.
That Big 3 of Clarkson, Russell, and Randle is going to be tough to handle for many teams in that conference.
OKC is just not as good as we thought they'd be.
Yeah personally I have not thought all that much of them. Definitely need to see it before I believe it.
Will be interesting to see how Westbrook does with the added pressure and attention on him now. He doesn't have KD drawing attention away from him anymore now.
Lakers looked like an elite team tonight. They're a dangerous team in the West now...watch out.
That Big 3 of Clarkson, Russell, and Randle is going to be tough to handle for many teams in that conference.
Boozer was a weird player. Wasn't he like essentially out of the league by 30?Given that he averaged 16 and 10 for the Bulls at an age of 31 -- and then proceeded to play for two more seasons... No, he wasn't.
Lakers looked like an elite team tonight. They're a dangerous team in the West now...watch out.
That Big 3 of Clarkson, Russell, and Randle is going to be tough to handle for many teams in that conference.
Don't underestimate the Luke Walton factor. He coached Golden State to a 39-4 record and he's undefeated as coach of the Lakers. Incredible. The dude is the Brad Stevens of basketball.Lakers looked like an elite team tonight. They're a dangerous team in the West now...watch out.
That Big 3 of Clarkson, Russell, and Randle is going to be tough to handle for many teams in that conference.
It almost looked like they were playing against a potentially historically bad defense.
Anthony Davis is absolutely unreal.Seriously. I might need to get League Pass just to watch AD. He's practically unstoppable, and is playing 1 on 5.
Hey so...Tim Frazier is pretty good, right?
Or are the Warriors just terrible at defending point guards for no reason?
Russell Westbrook attempted 44 shots tonight ... and 20 free throws.
Anthony Davis is absolutely unreal.
Anthony Davis is absolutely unreal.
He's unguardable. Toughest cover in the league. What can't he do on the offensive end?
Joel embiid is about to kill one of those refs, looked extremely annoyed going to the benchhe looks amazing on both ends. Also the brief minutes he shared with okafor seemed fine. Looking forward to seeing those guys without minute restrictions.
I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months. He missed all of training camp and preseason.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
He has 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal and 1 assist in 31 minutes. He'll be fine.
"Could be" rust? He hasn't played basketball since Feburary. That's over half a year. First because of shin soreness and then surgery on his knee. He missed all of training camp. He missed all of preseason. He's on a 12 minute restriction, because he hasn't jogged in 7 months. He hadn't even practiced with the team prior to his debut. Obviously he's rusty.Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
He has 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal and 1 assist in 31 minutes. He'll be fine.
To give the full stats he is 6-17 from the field and 4 turnovers. Shooting 33% as a big man will get you benched. I think it could be just rust also, but to act like he has played well is comical.
Newsflash: despite having a million young talented players, the 76ers still suck. My bet: they will start losing talent before the team becomes good.They should struggle this year, but Embiid looks flat out dominant despite working off two years of rust. There's only so much he can do in 15-20 minutes per game, though. Their other potential phenom, Ben Simmons, is out until January at the earliest. Potentially their best shooter and intended starting PG, Bayless (44% from three last year), is out for a month. Their other potential future all-star, Jahlil Okafor, hasn't played basketball in 7 months and has a 12 minute restriction while he gets back into game shape. Not to mention, Nerlens Noel is out with surgery right now so you probably will not see them get any value out of him in trade for at least a couple months.
I'm just saying it was kind of weak to omit his 33% shooting and turnovers while listing his one assist. He hasn't played well. We obviously have different opinions on him though."Could be" rust? He hasn't played basketball since Feburary. That's over half a year. First because of shin soreness and then surgery on his knee. He missed all of training camp. He missed all of preseason. He's on a 12 minute restriction, because he hasn't jogged in 7 months. He hadn't even practiced with the team prior to his debut. Obviously he's rusty.Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
He has 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal and 1 assist in 31 minutes. He'll be fine.
To give the full stats he is 6-17 from the field and 4 turnovers. Shooting 33% as a big man will get you benched. I think it could be just rust also, but to act like he has played well is comical.
He and Embiid played a couple minutes tonight and it looked like it might actually work. Embiid can do enough outside the paint that it should be a far better pairing than Okafor/Noel last season. Okafor thinks the two of them can be dominant together long term: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243815/Jahlil-Okafor-Believes-He-And-Embiid-Can-Really-Dominate-TogetherI'm just saying it was kind of weak to omit his 33% shooting and turnovers while listing his one assist. He hasn't played well. We obviously have different opinions on him though."Could be" rust? He hasn't played basketball since Feburary. That's over half a year. First because of shin soreness and then surgery on his knee. He missed all of training camp. He missed all of preseason. He's on a 12 minute restriction, because he hasn't jogged in 7 months. He hadn't even practiced with the team prior to his debut. Obviously he's rusty.Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
He has 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal and 1 assist in 31 minutes. He'll be fine.
To give the full stats he is 6-17 from the field and 4 turnovers. Shooting 33% as a big man will get you benched. I think it could be just rust also, but to act like he has played well is comical.
“I think it’s going to be exciting,” Embiid said. “We played a little bit together today in practice. We’re figuring out how to play with each other. It’s a process and we’ve got trust it.”
“I think once we figure it out, we can really dominate together,” Okafor said. “We were able to flirt with it again today. We accidentally keep ending up on the same team even though Coach keeps telling us to make sure we alternate. But we’re having fun. We’re trying to put some pressure on it because we want to play together.”
embiid is definitely a star. You can see that from the first game he played. Okafor is a nice talent for scoring offense off the bench. However I like him even less than Noel (as do many 76er fans)He and Embiid played a couple minutes tonight and it looked like it might actually work. Embiid can do enough outside the paint that it should be a far better pairing than Okafor/Noel last season. Okafor thinks the two of them can be dominant together long term: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243815/Jahlil-Okafor-Believes-He-And-Embiid-Can-Really-Dominate-TogetherI'm just saying it was kind of weak to omit his 33% shooting and turnovers while listing his one assist. He hasn't played well. We obviously have different opinions on him though."Could be" rust? He hasn't played basketball since Feburary. That's over half a year. First because of shin soreness and then surgery on his knee. He missed all of training camp. He missed all of preseason. He's on a 12 minute restriction, because he hasn't jogged in 7 months. He hadn't even practiced with the team prior to his debut. Obviously he's rusty.Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
He has 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal and 1 assist in 31 minutes. He'll be fine.
To give the full stats he is 6-17 from the field and 4 turnovers. Shooting 33% as a big man will get you benched. I think it could be just rust also, but to act like he has played well is comical.Quote“I think it’s going to be exciting,” Embiid said. “We played a little bit together today in practice. We’re figuring out how to play with each other. It’s a process and we’ve got trust it.”
“I think once we figure it out, we can really dominate together,” Okafor said. “We were able to flirt with it again today. We accidentally keep ending up on the same team even though Coach keeps telling us to make sure we alternate. But we’re having fun. We’re trying to put some pressure on it because we want to play together.”
Two budding young big man stars. Should be interesting to see how that develops.
Interesting observations of the early season so far:i wouldn't trade for ibaka, personally
The Magic have been terrible, and they're on pace to lose their third straight game tonight by a significant margin. This could be of interest to us with a potential Ibaka trade closer to the deadline, who would really not want to resign with the Magic if they're as bad as they're looking so far.
Indiana is getting blown out in Chicago, right after losing in Brooklyn the other night. So hopefully people will slow down on the Pacers expectations a bit.
Interesting observations of the early season so far:
The Magic have been terrible, and they're on pace to lose their third straight game tonight by a significant margin. This could be of interest to us with a potential Ibaka trade closer to the deadline, who would really not want to resign with the Magic if they're as bad as they're looking so far.
Indiana is getting blown out in Chicago, right after losing in Brooklyn the other night. So hopefully people will slow down on the Pacers expectations a bit.
Interesting observations of the early season so far:
The Magic have been terrible, and they're on pace to lose their third straight game tonight by a significant margin. This could be of interest to us with a potential Ibaka trade closer to the deadline, who would really not want to resign with the Magic if they're as bad as they're looking so far.
Indiana is getting blown out in Chicago, right after losing in Brooklyn the other night. So hopefully people will slow down on the Pacers expectations a bit.
Better yet if the Pacers play like this, expect Paul George trade rumors.
Interesting observations of the early season so far:
The Magic have been terrible, and they're on pace to lose their third straight game tonight by a significant margin. This could be of interest to us with a potential Ibaka trade closer to the deadline, who would really not want to resign with the Magic if they're as bad as they're looking so far.
Indiana is getting blown out in Chicago, right after losing in Brooklyn the other night. So hopefully people will slow down on the Pacers expectations a bit.
Better yet if the Pacers play like this, expect Paul George trade rumors.
Would people be willing to trade Jaylen and picks for George? I'm not sure if I would.
So, Golden State just beat Phoenix by 6 - 106-100. I wasn't able to watch the game, but that seems like a mighty close finish for the fourth worst team in the league last year versus the best team in the league from last year. Did anyone watch it and see how close the game actually was?
So, Golden State just beat Phoenix by 6 - 106-100. I wasn't able to watch the game, but that seems like a mighty close finish for the fourth worst team in the league last year versus the best team in the league from last year. Did anyone watch it and see how close the game actually was?
Close throughout. I think the 6 point margin of victory was the largest lead of golden state for the game. Suns were actually only down 2 with about 30 seconds left. Zaza really looks awful and curry still does not look right.
So, Golden State just beat Phoenix by 6 - 106-100. I wasn't able to watch the game, but that seems like a mighty close finish for the fourth worst team in the league last year versus the best team in the league from last year. Did anyone watch it and see how close the game actually was?
Close throughout. I think the 6 point margin of victory was the largest lead of golden state for the game. Suns were actually only down 2 with about 30 seconds left. Zaza really looks awful and curry still does not look right.
largest was 8 iirc. suns had many chances but they went iso too much. didn't even go at steph who had 4 fouls for a while and still didn't when he got 5.
I watch GSW and Curry looks drained, they look like they are forcing themselves to look excited when someone does something good, Green is the only one who looks engaged (KD at times too), they throw up half-hearted high-fives. They just don't look happy and definitely not like last season or any season prior. If you looked at the body language you would think they were Philly last season.
they are lucky they played 2 bad teams (both games they struggled) because solid teams would have beaten them!
He and Embiid played a couple minutes tonight and it looked like it might actually work. Embiid can do enough outside the paint that it should be a far better pairing than Okafor/Noel last season. Okafor thinks the two of them can be dominant together long term: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243815/Jahlil-Okafor-Believes-He-And-Embiid-Can-Really-Dominate-TogetherI'm just saying it was kind of weak to omit his 33% shooting and turnovers while listing his one assist. He hasn't played well. We obviously have different opinions on him though."Could be" rust? He hasn't played basketball since Feburary. That's over half a year. First because of shin soreness and then surgery on his knee. He missed all of training camp. He missed all of preseason. He's on a 12 minute restriction, because he hasn't jogged in 7 months. He hadn't even practiced with the team prior to his debut. Obviously he's rusty.Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
He has 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal and 1 assist in 31 minutes. He'll be fine.
To give the full stats he is 6-17 from the field and 4 turnovers. Shooting 33% as a big man will get you benched. I think it could be just rust also, but to act like he has played well is comical.Quote“I think it’s going to be exciting,” Embiid said. “We played a little bit together today in practice. We’re figuring out how to play with each other. It’s a process and we’ve got trust it.”
“I think once we figure it out, we can really dominate together,” Okafor said. “We were able to flirt with it again today. We accidentally keep ending up on the same team even though Coach keeps telling us to make sure we alternate. But we’re having fun. We’re trying to put some pressure on it because we want to play together.”
Two budding young big man stars. Should be interesting to see how that develops.
The Sixers will have 5 1st rounders over the next 3 drafts which they are free to use or trade. The TWolves will have 2 or 3. Their traded 2018 pick (lottery protected through 2020) means they can't trade any 1st until 2022.He and Embiid played a couple minutes tonight and it looked like it might actually work. Embiid can do enough outside the paint that it should be a far better pairing than Okafor/Noel last season. Okafor thinks the two of them can be dominant together long term: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243815/Jahlil-Okafor-Believes-He-And-Embiid-Can-Really-Dominate-TogetherI'm just saying it was kind of weak to omit his 33% shooting and turnovers while listing his one assist. He hasn't played well. We obviously have different opinions on him though."Could be" rust? He hasn't played basketball since Feburary. That's over half a year. First because of shin soreness and then surgery on his knee. He missed all of training camp. He missed all of preseason. He's on a 12 minute restriction, because he hasn't jogged in 7 months. He hadn't even practiced with the team prior to his debut. Obviously he's rusty.Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
He has 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal and 1 assist in 31 minutes. He'll be fine.
To give the full stats he is 6-17 from the field and 4 turnovers. Shooting 33% as a big man will get you benched. I think it could be just rust also, but to act like he has played well is comical.Quote“I think it’s going to be exciting,” Embiid said. “We played a little bit together today in practice. We’re figuring out how to play with each other. It’s a process and we’ve got trust it.”
“I think once we figure it out, we can really dominate together,” Okafor said. “We were able to flirt with it again today. We accidentally keep ending up on the same team even though Coach keeps telling us to make sure we alternate. But we’re having fun. We’re trying to put some pressure on it because we want to play together.”
Two budding young big man stars. Should be interesting to see how that develops.
Question is, can they win a championship before they have to pay all these players? Given how they went all in to tank, its gotta be championship or bust. If you were to ask me, I'd rather be Minnesota than the Sixers.
The Sixers will have 5 1st rounders over the next 3 drafts which they are free to use or trade. The TWolves will have 2 or 3. Their traded 2018 pick (lottery protected through 2020) means they can't trade any 1st until 2022.He and Embiid played a couple minutes tonight and it looked like it might actually work. Embiid can do enough outside the paint that it should be a far better pairing than Okafor/Noel last season. Okafor thinks the two of them can be dominant together long term: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243815/Jahlil-Okafor-Believes-He-And-Embiid-Can-Really-Dominate-TogetherI'm just saying it was kind of weak to omit his 33% shooting and turnovers while listing his one assist. He hasn't played well. We obviously have different opinions on him though."Could be" rust? He hasn't played basketball since Feburary. That's over half a year. First because of shin soreness and then surgery on his knee. He missed all of training camp. He missed all of preseason. He's on a 12 minute restriction, because he hasn't jogged in 7 months. He hadn't even practiced with the team prior to his debut. Obviously he's rusty.Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
He has 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal and 1 assist in 31 minutes. He'll be fine.
To give the full stats he is 6-17 from the field and 4 turnovers. Shooting 33% as a big man will get you benched. I think it could be just rust also, but to act like he has played well is comical.Quote“I think it’s going to be exciting,” Embiid said. “We played a little bit together today in practice. We’re figuring out how to play with each other. It’s a process and we’ve got trust it.”
“I think once we figure it out, we can really dominate together,” Okafor said. “We were able to flirt with it again today. We accidentally keep ending up on the same team even though Coach keeps telling us to make sure we alternate. But we’re having fun. We’re trying to put some pressure on it because we want to play together.”
Two budding young big man stars. Should be interesting to see how that develops.
Question is, can they win a championship before they have to pay all these players? Given how they went all in to tank, its gotta be championship or bust. If you were to ask me, I'd rather be Minnesota than the Sixers.
The Sixers have better cap space and the TWolves have to pay their young players sooner. I've listed the important young players on each team and how many season before they become RFAs and have to be paid.
Sixers: Noel (1), Embiid (2), Okafor (3), Simmons (4), Saric (4), Luwawu (4)
TWolves: Muhammad (1), Dieng (1), Wiggins (2), LaVine (2), Towns (3), Dunn (4)
So how are the TWolves better off?
Embiid and Okafor cannot play extended minutes together. Neither have the ability to defend the pick and roll, other than just icing the ball-handler and giving him open jumpers.Embiid slow of foot laterally? Just tell that to John Wall.
For all the intrigue around Embiid, he is slow of foot laterally. He is a big man who can defend the rim, but if you make him defend a stretch big, he is going to struggle, and if you want to be a good big in today's NBA, you have to be able to defend the perimeter situationally.
Can he be good enough offensively to make stretch bigs pay? Maybe one day, but it seems like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole if you are trying to make them play together.
It's be better to pick one, build around Saric, Simmons, and that big, and trade the others for young, experienced, qualities starting guards who don't need the ball in their hands a lot.
The TWolves may have young players to fill all the positions but they're still losing. 5th worst team last year with a bottom 5 defense. The Sixers will probably have two top 10 picks (possibly top 5) to address the PG and SF positions. Of course, they could just trade some of their assets to fill out their team around Simmons/Embiid.The Sixers will have 5 1st rounders over the next 3 drafts which they are free to use or trade. The TWolves will have 2 or 3. Their traded 2018 pick (lottery protected through 2020) means they can't trade any 1st until 2022.He and Embiid played a couple minutes tonight and it looked like it might actually work. Embiid can do enough outside the paint that it should be a far better pairing than Okafor/Noel last season. Okafor thinks the two of them can be dominant together long term: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/243815/Jahlil-Okafor-Believes-He-And-Embiid-Can-Really-Dominate-TogetherI'm just saying it was kind of weak to omit his 33% shooting and turnovers while listing his one assist. He hasn't played well. We obviously have different opinions on him though."Could be" rust? He hasn't played basketball since Feburary. That's over half a year. First because of shin soreness and then surgery on his knee. He missed all of training camp. He missed all of preseason. He's on a 12 minute restriction, because he hasn't jogged in 7 months. He hadn't even practiced with the team prior to his debut. Obviously he's rusty.Noel is out with surgery for a few weeks. Okafor is on a 12 minute restriction and is clearly working through rust. He hasn't played in months.I just learned i have NBA league pass! ;D
76ers are playing Embiid and Okafor together and they're reminding me of a young David Robinson and Tim Duncan. If they acquire a good PG, watch out. Simmons is going to make this squad a huge force.
Might just be rest but Okafor has looked really bad to start the season. Has 10 points on 14 shots through a game a half in limited minutes.
The next question is, how does he look next to Noel on the other hand? (that is if they have played together for significant stretches to be able to tell)
He has 16 points, 7 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal and 1 assist in 31 minutes. He'll be fine.
To give the full stats he is 6-17 from the field and 4 turnovers. Shooting 33% as a big man will get you benched. I think it could be just rust also, but to act like he has played well is comical.Quote“I think it’s going to be exciting,” Embiid said. “We played a little bit together today in practice. We’re figuring out how to play with each other. It’s a process and we’ve got trust it.”
“I think once we figure it out, we can really dominate together,” Okafor said. “We were able to flirt with it again today. We accidentally keep ending up on the same team even though Coach keeps telling us to make sure we alternate. But we’re having fun. We’re trying to put some pressure on it because we want to play together.”
Two budding young big man stars. Should be interesting to see how that develops.
Question is, can they win a championship before they have to pay all these players? Given how they went all in to tank, its gotta be championship or bust. If you were to ask me, I'd rather be Minnesota than the Sixers.
The Sixers have better cap space and the TWolves have to pay their young players sooner. I've listed the important young players on each team and how many season before they become RFAs and have to be paid.
Sixers: Noel (1), Embiid (2), Okafor (3), Simmons (4), Saric (4), Luwawu (4)
TWolves: Muhammad (1), Dieng (1), Wiggins (2), LaVine (2), Towns (3), Dunn (4)
So how are the TWolves better off?
For starters, the TWolves can effectively put a team on the court with guys at their natural position; whereas, the Sixers have 5 guys to play 2 positions and two positions with no player whatsoever.
TWolves - PG: Dunn, SG: LaVine, SF: Wiggins/Muhammad, PF: Towns, C: Dieng
Sixers - PG: ?, SG: Luwawu, SF: ?, PF: Simmons, Saric, C: Embiid, Noel, Okafor
I think it's time we start thinking we were wrong about the Bulls. Holy ****.
I think it's time we start thinking we were wrong about the Bulls. Holy ****.
I think it's time we start thinking we were wrong about the Bulls. Holy ****.
I want to see what happens against better competition and when they cool down from three, but they've greatly exceeded my expectations thus far.
I think it's time we start thinking we were wrong about the Bulls. Holy ****.
I want to see what happens against better competition and when they cool down from three, but they've greatly exceeded my expectations thus far.
Yeah, they played us on a back-to-back night minus our 6th and 7th men in their home opener, yet we still almost beat them. And them beating the Nets isn't a surprise either, though the Indy win was a pretty decent one, though I think Indy has largely been overrated, too. I expect a comfortable win for us on Wednesday.
They can only beat whose on their schedule and finishing 3-0 against Brooklyn, Indy, and Boston is pretty darn good. Fell asleep during Chi game so haven't really seen them play much.I think it's time we start thinking we were wrong about the Bulls. Holy ****.
I want to see what happens against better competition and when they cool down from three, but they've greatly exceeded my expectations thus far.
Yeah, they played us on a back-to-back night minus our 6th and 7th men in their home opener, yet we still almost beat them. And them beating the Nets isn't a surprise either, though the Indy win was a pretty decent one, though I think Indy has largely been overrated, too. I expect a comfortable win for us on Wednesday.
Yeah, I don't find the Indy win impressive at all, so IMO they should be 3-0. However, they've passed the eye test and alleviated some concerns in that they've moved the ball pretty well. I'm somewhat impressed, but I'd like to see more.
They can only beat whose on their schedule and finishing 3-0 against Brooklyn, Indy, and Boston is pretty darn good. Fell asleep during Chi game so haven't really seen them play much.I think it's time we start thinking we were wrong about the Bulls. Holy ****.
I want to see what happens against better competition and when they cool down from three, but they've greatly exceeded my expectations thus far.
Yeah, they played us on a back-to-back night minus our 6th and 7th men in their home opener, yet we still almost beat them. And them beating the Nets isn't a surprise either, though the Indy win was a pretty decent one, though I think Indy has largely been overrated, too. I expect a comfortable win for us on Wednesday.
Yeah, I don't find the Indy win impressive at all, so IMO they should be 3-0. However, they've passed the eye test and alleviated some concerns in that they've moved the ball pretty well. I'm somewhat impressed, but I'd like to see more.
Several really good games tonight.Curious if Okafor looks any better tonight and does any playing alongside Embiid.
Battle of the no-win teams - Orlando at Philly
Lakers at Indy - should be interesting to see if the Pacers lackluster start continues
Sacramento at Miami - Kings on a back to back night, hoping for another loss for the Boogie Watch
Utah at San Antonio - Good test for the Jazz to see how legit they are, have been pretty lackluster so far, even without Hayward
GSW at Portland - This will be a really good test for Golden State's defense. They've got off to an extremely slow start, barely beating two terrible teams in the Pelicans and Suns after being blown out by San Antonio.
The Celtics are in for a rough start of the week. First against the Bulls and then the current champions on the following day.
TPThe Celtics are in for a rough start of the week. First against the Bulls and then the current champions on the following day.
Oh how i want to beat the bulls. their fans are already getting way too arrogant. they think their actually a contending team. I would love nothing more than to emphatically destroy them and see what their fans say afterwards.
Last I heard, embiid's minutes restriction is up to 24 tonight, but they aren't going to have him play back-to-backs yet. So with Embiid sitting out tomorrow, the current plan was for okafor to sit out tonight. Okafor, you may remember, missed all of training camp and preseason and is on a 12 min restriction while he gets back into basketball shape.Several really good games tonight.Curious if Okafor looks any better tonight and does any playing alongside Embiid.
Battle of the no-win teams - Orlando at Philly
Lakers at Indy - should be interesting to see if the Pacers lackluster start continues
Sacramento at Miami - Kings on a back to back night, hoping for another loss for the Boogie Watch
Utah at San Antonio - Good test for the Jazz to see how legit they are, have been pretty lackluster so far, even without Hayward
GSW at Portland - This will be a really good test for Golden State's defense. They've got off to an extremely slow start, barely beating two terrible teams in the Pelicans and Suns after being blown out by San Antonio.
Okafor is supposed to play tomorrow with a 24 minute restriction.Last I heard, embiid's minutes restriction is up to 24 tonight, but they aren't going to have him play back-to-backs yet. So with Embiid sitting out tomorrow, the current plan was for okafor to sit out tonight. Okafor, you may remember, missed all of training camp and preseason and is on a 12 min restriction while he gets back into basketball shape.Several really good games tonight.Curious if Okafor looks any better tonight and does any playing alongside Embiid.
Battle of the no-win teams - Orlando at Philly
Lakers at Indy - should be interesting to see if the Pacers lackluster start continues
Sacramento at Miami - Kings on a back to back night, hoping for another loss for the Boogie Watch
Utah at San Antonio - Good test for the Jazz to see how legit they are, have been pretty lackluster so far, even without Hayward
GSW at Portland - This will be a really good test for Golden State's defense. They've got off to an extremely slow start, barely beating two terrible teams in the Pelicans and Suns after being blown out by San Antonio.
Okafor is supposed to play tomorrow with a 24 minute restriction.Last I heard, embiid's minutes restriction is up to 24 tonight, but they aren't going to have him play back-to-backs yet. So with Embiid sitting out tomorrow, the current plan was for okafor to sit out tonight. Okafor, you may remember, missed all of training camp and preseason and is on a 12 min restriction while he gets back into basketball shape.Several really good games tonight.Curious if Okafor looks any better tonight and does any playing alongside Embiid.
Battle of the no-win teams - Orlando at Philly
Lakers at Indy - should be interesting to see if the Pacers lackluster start continues
Sacramento at Miami - Kings on a back to back night, hoping for another loss for the Boogie Watch
Utah at San Antonio - Good test for the Jazz to see how legit they are, have been pretty lackluster so far, even without Hayward
GSW at Portland - This will be a really good test for Golden State's defense. They've got off to an extremely slow start, barely beating two terrible teams in the Pelicans and Suns after being blown out by San Antonio.
Cousins is going to be facing a suspension by halfway through the season at this rate. He's already picked up 3 technical fouls in five games lolHe can't control himself at all and it wouldn't make a difference what team he's on. He's already getting techs and ejections in games the Kings are winning. I think maybe he'll mature a little bit with age but I certainly don't think he'll act any differently on a different team.
It does make you wonder how much he can ultimately change in a better, winning environment.
Cousins is going to be facing a suspension by halfway through the season at this rate. He's already picked up 3 technical fouls in five games lolHe can't control himself at all and it wouldn't make a difference what team he's on. He's already getting techs and ejections in games the Kings are winning. I think maybe he'll mature a little bit with age but I certainly don't think he'll act any differently on a different team.
It does make you wonder how much he can ultimately change in a better, winning environment.
Boy, the Magic are having a tough go at things, huh? Terrible start to the season losing to both the Heat and Sixers and an injured Pistons squad.
Boy, the Magic are having a tough go at things, huh? Terrible start to the season losing to both the Heat and Sixers and an injured Pistons squad.
Did they already lose to the 76ers or did you count this as a loss?
Meanwhile the warriors have given up 23 points in 7.5 minutes. How do they fix this defense?
Deyonta Davis (the guy we picked 31st before trading that pick and pick 35 for the Clippers protected first rounder) had 17 and 6 for memphis today in their blowout loss to Minny. Anyone watch the game? was it garbage time points? or was he actually playing against good players? seems like Memphis was down like half their team lolThey rested their starters for some reason, so he got some playing time because of that. He seems better than Zeller.
Deyonta Davis (the guy we picked 31st before trading that pick and pick 35 for the Clippers protected first rounder) had 17 and 6 for memphis today in their blowout loss to Minny. Anyone watch the game? was it garbage time points? or was he actually playing against good players? seems like Memphis was down like half their team lolThey rested their starters for some reason, so he got some playing time because of that. He seems better than Zeller.
Boy, the Magic are having a tough go at things, huh? Terrible start to the season losing to both the Heat and Sixers and an injured Pistons squad.
Did they already lose to the 76ers or did you count this as a loss?
Meanwhile the warriors have given up 23 points in 7.5 minutes. How do they fix this defense?
Oh wow, they came back! There was only a little bit of time left when I checked the game, and they were down like 9. I just figured it was a loss. My bad! Still, there's absolutely no reason that they should've lost to the Sixers anyways. Looks like Oladipo was much better for them than they thought.
The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.Their bad defense will be there every game. There offense will be hit and miss. I'd be surprised if they challenged for the 8th seed. I'd put them around 34 wins.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.Their bad defense will be there every game. There offense will be hit and miss. I'd be surprised if they challenged for the 8th seed. I'd put them around 34 wins.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
I was going to edit it to 30-34 wins (5th to 8th worst team). I'd put Suns, Sixers, Magic and Mavs below them.The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.Their bad defense will be there every game. There offense will be hit and miss. I'd be surprised if they challenged for the 8th seed. I'd put them around 34 wins.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
I agree with your reasoning, but I think 34 wins is optimistic.
OKC is looking legit. They struggled with both the 76ers and Phoenix, but they just came in and beat LAC in Los Angeles.
That works for me. I prefer if they don't get another top pick.The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.Their bad defense will be there every game. There offense will be hit and miss. I'd be surprised if they challenged for the 8th seed. I'd put them around 34 wins.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
That works for me. I prefer if they don't get another top pick.The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.Their bad defense will be there every game. There offense will be hit and miss. I'd be surprised if they challenged for the 8th seed. I'd put them around 34 wins.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
Better if they stuck being mediocre for long term.
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Your Indians lost the World Series
Chew on that.
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Your Indians lost the World Series
Chew on that.
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That works for me. I prefer if they don't get another top pick.The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.Their bad defense will be there every game. There offense will be hit and miss. I'd be surprised if they challenged for the 8th seed. I'd put them around 34 wins.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
Better if they stuck being mediocre for long term.
I agree they have nice talented young group, but i don't see them contending in 3 years.That works for me. I prefer if they don't get another top pick.The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.Their bad defense will be there every game. There offense will be hit and miss. I'd be surprised if they challenged for the 8th seed. I'd put them around 34 wins.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
Better if they stuck being mediocre for long term.
they've got enough young talent with lots of potential to the point that they wont stay mediocre for a long time. I could see them being contenders in the west in maybe 3 years. Am i crazy?
Adams making Pachulia his little Zeller 😂
That works for me. I prefer if they don't get another top pick.The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.Their bad defense will be there every game. There offense will be hit and miss. I'd be surprised if they challenged for the 8th seed. I'd put them around 34 wins.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
Better if they stuck being mediocre for long term.
Their pick goes to philly unless it is top 3. If the Lakers are better than expected and end up with 34-37 wins the trade ends up being Michael Carter Williams for the 12th or 13th pick in the draft 4 years later. This would definitely give it the title of most talked about but ultimately irrelevant trade.
This is supposed to be a good draft so a late lottery pick should still give them a good player. Myles Turner was 11th and Devin Booker was 13th in a strong draft. Of course, they'll also have their own top 5 pick.That works for me. I prefer if they don't get another top pick.The lakers just gave the Hawks their first L of the season.Their bad defense will be there every game. There offense will be hit and miss. I'd be surprised if they challenged for the 8th seed. I'd put them around 34 wins.
They're better than expectations too. it sounds crazy, but I wouldn't at all be surprised to see them challenge for the 8th seed this year. Their defense is horrible, but they have a lot of offensive firepower on that roster, and Walton has looked like a pretty good coach so far.
Better if they stuck being mediocre for long term.
Their pick goes to philly unless it is top 3. If the Lakers are better than expected and end up with 34-37 wins the trade ends up being Michael Carter Williams for the 12th or 13th pick in the draft 4 years later. This would definitely give it the title of most talked about but ultimately irrelevant trade.
I'd love to see the Lakers finish around 9th or 10th in the West—no playoffs, no high draft pick.
OMG KG just pushed the cuss button and threw out 30 seconds of curse words... but you could read his lips for every word he said lol
They may not be championship contenders but... who would have thought The Mavs and Wizards would be contesting the 76ers for last team in the NBA to win a game?
Seems like I've heard national pundits give a lot of love to the Wizards. Beal and Wall are good players, but not great IMO. In the PG world, Wall is not on the level of CP3, Kyrie, Curry, Westbrook, Lillard... more like that next level down with Teague, Lowry, IT.They may not be championship contenders but... who would have thought The Mavs and Wizards would be contesting the 76ers for last team in the NBA to win a game?
Washington's dodgy bench is really holding them back. I can't see them challenging for the playoffs without better depth.
They may not be championship contenders but... who would have thought The Mavs and Wizards would be contesting the 76ers for last team in the NBA to win a game?
The lakers are good. Crazy.
The lakers are good. Crazy.
Better than last year? Sure. They are lottery team again tho. LeBron has to be licking his chops watching the Warriors play. Man they are all about the 3 ball now. The ball doesn't move towards the paint.
The lakers are good. Crazy.
Better than last year? Sure. They are lottery team again tho. LeBron has to be licking his chops watching the Warriors play. Man they are all about the 3 ball now. The ball doesn't move towards the paint.
The lakers are good. Crazy.
Better than last year? Sure. They are lottery team again tho. LeBron has to be licking his chops watching the Warriors play. Man they are all about the 3 ball now. The ball doesn't move towards the paint.
Hmm, let's see.
If LarBrd is the Philly lover/defender on here, I have to admit, I'm the Lakers lover/defender. I love how they play. I love most of their young players. I wanna play them in the Finals soon. It would be a great series.
They may not be championship contenders but... who would have thought The Mavs and Wizards would be contesting the 76ers for last team in the NBA to win a game?
They may not be championship contenders but... who would have thought The Mavs and Wizards would be contesting the 76ers for last team in the NBA to win a game?
Hell, Pelicans are down 3 in OT in New Orleans to Phoenix. If they lose this one, they'll be 0-6.
I'm really praying for the totally unrealistic scenario that the Pelicans are bad enough that Davis just ultimately wants out of New Orleans.
You must be closing your eyes when they play defense.The lakers are good. Crazy.
Better than last year? Sure. They are lottery team again tho. LeBron has to be licking his chops watching the Warriors play. Man they are all about the 3 ball now. The ball doesn't move towards the paint.
Hmm, let's see.
If LarBrd is the Philly lover/defender on here, I have to admit, I'm the Lakers lover/defender. I love how they play. I love most of their young players. I wanna play them in the Finals soon. It would be a great series.
What's funny is that with all of our players, the player most other teams would want the most is Nance.Not me, I want Ingram. If I were the Sixers, I would have offered Okafor (or Noel) and their 1st back for Ingram.
You guys still don't think the Lakers are forreals? They're killing the Warriors of all teams lol.randle has Allstar potential. Russell and ingram have superstar potential. Am I wrong or would trading Jordan Clarkson for nerlens Noel be a great move for both teams? Noel would be a perfect fit for the Lakers next to randle. Clarkson could play point for the 76ers and eventually transition to off-ball shooter when Ben Simmons arrives.
They look scary good.
You guys still don't think the Lakers are forreals? They're killing the Warriors of all teams lol.randle has Allstar potential. Russell and ingram have superstar potential. Am I wrong or would trading Jordan Clarkson for nerlens Noel be a great move for both teams? Noel would be a perfect fit for the Lakers next to randle. Clarkson could play point for the 76ers and eventually transition to off-ball shooter when Ben Simmons arrives.
They look scary good.
Clarkson can't be moved until December 15th. Noel might be gone by then.You guys still don't think the Lakers are forreals? They're killing the Warriors of all teams lol.randle has Allstar potential. Russell and ingram have superstar potential. Am I wrong or would trading Jordan Clarkson for nerlens Noel be a great move for both teams? Noel would be a perfect fit for the Lakers next to randle. Clarkson could play point for the 76ers and eventually transition to off-ball shooter when Ben Simmons arrives.
They look scary good.
Would be good for both teams, but I doubt the Lakers would ultimately do it without more added to the pot.
My God.... Embiid just LeBron-Blocked LeBron.Okafor blocked Lebron too albeit in a different fashion.
https://twitter.com/CSNPhilly/status/795044484417368064
It hit the backboard, though... should have been a goaltend.
My God.... Embiid just LeBron-Blocked LeBron.Okafor blocked Lebron too albeit in a different fashion.
https://twitter.com/CSNPhilly/status/795044484417368064
It hit the backboard, though... should have been a goaltend.
You must be closing your eyes when they play defense.The lakers are good. Crazy.
Better than last year? Sure. They are lottery team again tho. LeBron has to be licking his chops watching the Warriors play. Man they are all about the 3 ball now. The ball doesn't move towards the paint.
Hmm, let's see.
If LarBrd is the Philly lover/defender on here, I have to admit, I'm the Lakers lover/defender. I love how they play. I love most of their young players. I wanna play them in the Finals soon. It would be a great series.
Embiid is 4-for-4 from three. Lol. Kid is unreal. 20 points in 19 minutes. Sixers only down 2 to the Cavs.
Embiid is 4-for-4 from three. Lol. Kid is unreal. 20 points in 19 minutes. Sixers only down 2 to the Cavs.
Embiid just one-upped Jaylen's big performance against the Cavs by putting up an even bigger performance against the Cavs. They almost won that game too. All that with both Embiid and Okafor on 24 minute restrictions. Wow.Embiid is 4-for-4 from three. Lol. Kid is unreal. 20 points in 19 minutes. Sixers only down 2 to the Cavs.
Massive block on LeBron. Would love to have seen Jaylen win ROY, but this kid has it sown up.
Embiid just one-upped Jaylen's big performance against the Cavs by putting up an even bigger performance against the Cavs. They almost won that game too. All that with both Embiid and Okafor on 24 minute restrictions. Wow.Embiid is 4-for-4 from three. Lol. Kid is unreal. 20 points in 19 minutes. Sixers only down 2 to the Cavs.
Massive block on LeBron. Would love to have seen Jaylen win ROY, but this kid has it sown up.
Kings down over 30 in Milwaukee. Gay is out injured for awhile. Things could get really ugly for them in this rough ten game schedule that they have coming up.They really need to trade Cousins this year. They will get much less next season.
Cousins is clearly not enjoying himself either. Ask out, big boy!
The hawks are blowing out the rockets. Bazemore, Millsap, and Dwight each have 20+. I for one did not at all expect them to be this good right out of the gates. Dwight looks like he's fit in perfectly, something I did not expect. Props to Budenholzer, he really knows how to get the best out of his guys.
where can we talk about him now?Embiid just one-upped Jaylen's big performance against the Cavs by putting up an even bigger performance against the Cavs. They almost won that game too. All that with both Embiid and Okafor on 24 minute restrictions. Wow.Embiid is 4-for-4 from three. Lol. Kid is unreal. 20 points in 19 minutes. Sixers only down 2 to the Cavs.
Massive block on LeBron. Would love to have seen Jaylen win ROY, but this kid has it sown up.
That's why they're the Kings. Durant leaving a very good OKC team should have been the final kick in the tail to move Cousins.Kings down over 30 in Milwaukee. Gay is out injured for awhile. Things could get really ugly for them in this rough ten game schedule that they have coming up.They really need to trade Cousins this year. They will get much less next season.
Cousins is clearly not enjoying himself either. Ask out, big boy!
Great game by. Embiid. So far quite the talent.where can we talk about him now?Embiid just one-upped Jaylen's big performance against the Cavs by putting up an even bigger performance against the Cavs. They almost won that game too. All that with both Embiid and Okafor on 24 minute restrictions. Wow.Embiid is 4-for-4 from three. Lol. Kid is unreal. 20 points in 19 minutes. Sixers only down 2 to the Cavs.
Massive block on LeBron. Would love to have seen Jaylen win ROY, but this kid has it sown up.
I think both will end up better than Anthony Davis if they stay healthy. Embiid seems to have a more advanced post game than Towns.Great game by. Embiid. So far quite the talent.where can we talk about him now?Embiid just one-upped Jaylen's big performance against the Cavs by putting up an even bigger performance against the Cavs. They almost won that game too. All that with both Embiid and Okafor on 24 minute restrictions. Wow.Embiid is 4-for-4 from three. Lol. Kid is unreal. 20 points in 19 minutes. Sixers only down 2 to the Cavs.
Massive block on LeBron. Would love to have seen Jaylen win ROY, but this kid has it sown up.
Also check out the stat line by towns in Minnesota. I want to see these. Two play against one another.
Yet another blow to the already hapless Pelicans: Lance Stephenson out indefinitely after groin injury that requires surgery.
https://twitter.com/thebirdwrites/status/795111390218481664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
When are they going to get their first win? Their remaining November games are @ GSW, @ SAC, @MIL, VS LAL, VS BOS, @ ORL, VS POR, VS CHA, @ ATL, VS MIN, @ POR, @ DAL, @LAL. Their best bets are @ SAC, VS LAL, @ORL, and VS MIN, though they're still probably not favored in any of those games.
We're going to have a top-5 player on a bottom-3 team in the league.
Great matchup going on between Embiid and Gobert.Embiid is due for a dud. He's been a top 10 player in per-minute production this season and is leading the league in three point percentage.
Indy getting thumped in Charlotte.
Think we had a bad first quarter yesterday? The Hornets have 40 points on 15-19 shooting and 4-5 from 3... And there's three minutes left to go lol
I thought Indy was overrated, but maaaannnnn they're struggling so far. At least we have a legitimate excuse of having several injuries.
Embiid does at least one thing every game that is just special. This play is the latest in a long list of examples of what kind of freak he can be long term https://twitter.com/DColeSports/status/795805911956803584He keeps making mistakes, getting fouls and turnovers, but every game he pulls something out of his butt that you're like, "A 7'2 dude shouldn't be able to do that."
Embiid does at least one thing every game that is just special. This play is the latest in a long list of examples of what kind of freak he can be long term https://twitter.com/DColeSports/status/795805911956803584He did a similar move in the prior game. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls off one of those Rondo behind the back fake pass for the layup moves. All Embiid needs to be really special is time and health.
I think both will end up better than Anthony Davis if they stay healthy. Embiid seems to have a more advanced post game than Towns.Great game by. Embiid. So far quite the talent.where can we talk about him now?Embiid just one-upped Jaylen's big performance against the Cavs by putting up an even bigger performance against the Cavs. They almost won that game too. All that with both Embiid and Okafor on 24 minute restrictions. Wow.Embiid is 4-for-4 from three. Lol. Kid is unreal. 20 points in 19 minutes. Sixers only down 2 to the Cavs.
Massive block on LeBron. Would love to have seen Jaylen win ROY, but this kid has it sown up.
Also check out the stat line by towns in Minnesota. I want to see these. Two play against one another.
The things he's messing up... turnovers/fouls... those are the easiest things to correct with time. He already has the ability to be dominant offensively and defensively. If he stays healthy and sees his minutes increase to 30+, he seems like a lock to be a 20/10 player long term.Embiid does at least one thing every game that is just special. This play is the latest in a long list of examples of what kind of freak he can be long term https://twitter.com/DColeSports/status/795805911956803584He did a similar move in the prior game. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls off one of those Rondo behind the back fake pass for the layup moves. All Embiid needs to be really special is time and health.
I like Embiid's aggressiveness when stepping out to trap. If McConnell had been half as aggressive, they might have gotten a turnover.The things he's messing up... turnovers/fouls... those are the easiest things to correct with time. He already has the ability to be dominant offensively and defensively. If he stays healthy and sees his minutes increase to 30+, he seems like a lock to be a 20/10 player long term.Embiid does at least one thing every game that is just special. This play is the latest in a long list of examples of what kind of freak he can be long term https://twitter.com/DColeSports/status/795805911956803584He did a similar move in the prior game. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls off one of those Rondo behind the back fake pass for the layup moves. All Embiid needs to be really special is time and health.
Warriors looking awful. They will still probably win, but have blown a 14 point 3rd quarter lead.
13-17... Wow.
And Durant and Klay both have 20+ themselves, yet they're still in a tight game at home. What does that tell you?
Holy cow, Curry just broke the NBA record with 13 threes in a game.guess that makes up for going 0-10
Embiids play should only be mildly surprising. He was seen as a better prospect than either Wiggins or Parker. Hes maybe the best prospect since Oden/Durant.
It all comes down to weather or not he can stay healthy.
I really love how E'Twaun Moore has established a name for himself in the NBA. I hated to see him be traded (i think he was part of a package for Courtney Lee?), but I'm quite happy for him now.
You realize that Mozgov has been with the Lakers for a while now, right? ;)I really love how E'Twaun Moore has established a name for himself in the NBA. I hated to see him be traded (i think he was part of a package for Courtney Lee?), but I'm quite happy for him now.
Both him and Frazier look like legit rotation players (watched them both last night). Tonight I am interested in seeing if the Hawks are competitive against Cleveland. Will Howard be effective against Mosgov and Thompson? Do wish the game was in Atlanta instead of Cleveland for a better chance of being competitive.
Embiid does at least one thing every game that is just special. This play is the latest in a long list of examples of what kind of freak he can be long term https://twitter.com/DColeSports/status/795805911956803584He did a similar move in the prior game. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls off one of those Rondo behind the back fake pass for the layup moves. All Embiid needs to be really special is time and health.
Hawks hand Cavs their first loss... in Cleveland. I believe that actually stopped like a 13 straight game loss for them. Are the Hawks actually better with Howard than Horford?
Are the Hawks actually better with Howard than Horford?
3 of the 5 games he's played in have been single digit losses even though he's on a time limit. They're missing two of their starters, Simmons and Bayless.Embiid does at least one thing every game that is just special. This play is the latest in a long list of examples of what kind of freak he can be long term https://twitter.com/DColeSports/status/795805911956803584He did a similar move in the prior game. I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls off one of those Rondo behind the back fake pass for the layup moves. All Embiid needs to be really special is time and health.
Im blown away with how natural his enormous frame (7'2.....really?) Looks out there. He honestly looks like an athletic Hibbert who knows how to play basketball lol.
The real question is how often will we see his team down by 10+ in his highlight reels assuming he stays healthy.
Speaking of supremely overrated...
Kemba Walker spent his first 4 seasons as a incredibly inefficient chucker.
Season 1: 36%/30%/79%
Season 2: 42%/32%/80%
Season 3: 39%/33%/84%
Season 4: 38%/30%/83%
.... then suddenly saw a jump last season to 43%/37%/85%. Now this year he's started off with the Eastern-conference leading Horents shooting 47%/44%/83%
Here's an article discussing the changes he made to his shot: http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2016/1/20/10799110/kemba-walker-improvements-shooting-charlotte-hornets-highlights
Perhaps it's something to offer hope to folks still grasping to the idea that Marcus Smart can become a star. Smart's coming off a season shooting 35% and 25% from three (historically bad). Hopefully the changes he's made to his own shot this summer pay off this year.
I know this will seem like a crazy illogical "bizarre stance" given the start to this season, but I'm standing by my belief OKC will eventually even out as a .500 team and Westbrook will shoot close to 40%... even if that seems really unlikely right now. I'm not ready to declare myself wrong about Westbrook being supremely overrated. Likewise, despite his blazing hot start, Jimmy Butler is still nothing more than premium brand Ricky Davis. I'll let you know if I change my mind on either.I'm not sold on OKC being a top team either. Four of their wins have been against Sixers, Suns, Lakers and TWolves. I think they'll end up 6th or 7th in the West. Westbrook is certainly a top player in the league. I'd take him over Irving for example. He's only shooting 42% but he's shooting 6.5 3s at 34.6% which is significantly higher than his norm so regressing to 40% wouldn't be a surprise.
I know this will seem like a crazy illogical "bizarre stance" given the start to this season, but I'm standing by my belief OKC will eventually even out as a .500 team and Westbrook will shoot close to 40%... even if that seems really unlikely right now. I'm not ready to declare myself wrong about Westbrook being supremely overrated. Likewise, despite his blazing hot start, Jimmy Butler is still nothing more than premium brand Ricky Davis. I'll let you know if I change my mind on either.
I know the NBA is pretty socially conscious, but why does the TNT talk show need to discuss politics for the first ten minutes of the show? I thought their messages were good by preaching unity and respect and not partisan rhetoric, but I feel like sports should be an escape from the political issues and troubles of the day. I just hate that every single institution, both public and private, is becoming more and more politicized, and you can't hardly turn anywhere without being bombarded by political rhetoric.
I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
I thought they looked so much better about 3 games ago. This game has been awful basketball
The only good win they have is over Toronto. Their other wins are against the dregs: Suns, TWolves and NOP. They've got some tough games coming up but end the month against the Sixers. It'll be fun to see Cousins and Embiid square off.I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
I thought they looked so much better about 3 games ago. This game has been awful basketball
The Kings defense is just as bad, too, they're just hitting shots and the Lakers have no remedy to stop Boogie, not that any team really does.
I'm really kind of afraid that they're going to cobble enough of these kinds of wins together to stay outside of the playoffs, but still potentially "contending" for a playoff spot, which would mean no Boogie trade.
I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
Ty Lawson is most washed up 29 year old ever
I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
And yet they're only down 10. I think they will have the lead at some point by the 4th quarter or so. Maybe earlier. Not sure if they are mature enough to hold on though.
Long term, sure. Randle, Russell and Ingram are a nice young core.I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
And yet they're only down 10. I think they will have the lead at some point by the 4th quarter or so. Maybe earlier. Not sure if they are mature enough to hold on though.
Almost on cue, the lakers take the lead. This team is for real.
Long term, sure. Randle, Russell and Ingram are a nice young core.I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
And yet they're only down 10. I think they will have the lead at some point by the 4th quarter or so. Maybe earlier. Not sure if they are mature enough to hold on though.
Almost on cue, the lakers take the lead. This team is for real.
Long term, sure. Randle, Russell and Ingram are a nice young core.I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
And yet they're only down 10. I think they will have the lead at some point by the 4th quarter or so. Maybe earlier. Not sure if they are mature enough to hold on though.
Almost on cue, the lakers take the lead. This team is for real.
Yeah, I agree they should be good long-term, though they have some serious defensive issues with those three together that I think doesn't allow them to coexist long-term, especially at the forward spots.
But I still doubt that they'll do anything this year. They might contend for a playoff spot, but I doubt that they get it. I hope they're up there, though, which gives the 76ers a worse pick.
Long term, sure. Randle, Russell and Ingram are a nice young core.I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
And yet they're only down 10. I think they will have the lead at some point by the 4th quarter or so. Maybe earlier. Not sure if they are mature enough to hold on though.
Almost on cue, the lakers take the lead. This team is for real.
Yeah, I agree they should be good long-term, though they have some serious defensive issues with those three together that I think doesn't allow them to coexist long-term, especially at the forward spots.
But I still doubt that they'll do anything this year. They might contend for a playoff spot, but I doubt that they get it. I hope they're up there, though, which gives the 76ers a worse pick.
Their core is very intriguing, to say the least. I do agree that defense will be an issue, but lots of media outlets are all over the lakers now, since they see them as Walton's version of the warriors (which is ridiculous if you ask me). The only somewhat reasonable comparison might be Russell and curry, and even then, it's quite unlikely he ever reaches that ceiling. You have people calling Randle the next Draymond. It makes me laugh. Some people forget there's a defensive side of the game too lol.
I've even seen some comparisons to the Showtime lakers, which is also utterly ridiculous again. Just because they're young and fun to watch at times doesn't mean they can be compared to that team. Regardless, the media is riding the Lakers hype train at the moment, so it's interesting to see where they'll end up this season and in the future.
Lots of good things happening here.
In true form, Reggie continues to establish himself as the worst commentator of all-time.
Boogie looks ready to rip Randle's head off. Every technical and/or suspension counts, guys. Pray he loses his lid here and now.
Lots of good things happening here.
In true form, Reggie continues to establish himself as the worst commentator of all-time.
Boogie looks ready to rip Randle's head off. Every technical and/or suspension counts, guys. Pray he loses his lid here and now.
Yep, games like this will ultimately be the deflating games that get him moved.
Long term, sure. Randle, Russell and Ingram are a nice young core.I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
And yet they're only down 10. I think they will have the lead at some point by the 4th quarter or so. Maybe earlier. Not sure if they are mature enough to hold on though.
Almost on cue, the lakers take the lead. This team is for real.
Yeah, I agree they should be good long-term, though they have some serious defensive issues with those three together that I think doesn't allow them to coexist long-term, especially at the forward spots.
But I still doubt that they'll do anything this year. They might contend for a playoff spot, but I doubt that they get it. I hope they're up there, though, which gives the 76ers a worse pick.
Their core is very intriguing, to say the least. I do agree that defense will be an issue, but lots of media outlets are all over the lakers now, since they see them as Walton's version of the warriors (which is ridiculous if you ask me). The only somewhat reasonable comparison might be Russell and curry, and even then, it's quite unlikely he ever reaches that ceiling. You have people calling Randle the next Draymond. It makes me laugh. Some people forget there's a defensive side of the game too lol.
I've even seen some comparisons to the Showtime lakers, which is also utterly ridiculous again. Just because they're young and fun to watch at times doesn't mean they can be compared to that team. Regardless, the media is riding the Lakers hype train at the moment, so it's interesting to see where they'll end up this season and in the future.
I'll tell you who I really like on that Lakers team - Nance. He reminds me a lot of Smart that he does the little things to help them win.
KG is talking about how Boogie needs a vet around him to keep him straight and aligned. Know anyone who might fit that bill with a great work ethic and commitment to team play and defense?
Tell me Horford isn't a perfect vet role model for someone like Cousins.
Wow, how many back to backs do we have just at the beginning of the year here? they all seem to be spit home and road. Bad schedule.
Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Embiid won it in overtime tho. 25 points for the young phenom.
Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Embiid won it in overtime tho. 25 points for the young phenom.
Was okafor hurt or benched?
Long term, sure. Randle, Russell and Ingram are a nice young core.I thought people said this LA team was good? They look absolutely terrible against the Kings right now. They look very, very young with lots of dumb plays and turnovers.
And yet they're only down 10. I think they will have the lead at some point by the 4th quarter or so. Maybe earlier. Not sure if they are mature enough to hold on though.
Almost on cue, the lakers take the lead. This team is for real.
Yeah, I agree they should be good long-term, though they have some serious defensive issues with those three together that I think doesn't allow them to coexist long-term, especially at the forward spots.
But I still doubt that they'll do anything this year. They might contend for a playoff spot, but I doubt that they get it. I hope they're up there, though, which gives the 76ers a worse pick.
Their core is very intriguing, to say the least. I do agree that defense will be an issue, but lots of media outlets are all over the lakers now, since they see them as Walton's version of the warriors (which is ridiculous if you ask me). The only somewhat reasonable comparison might be Russell and curry, and even then, it's quite unlikely he ever reaches that ceiling. You have people calling Randle the next Draymond. It makes me laugh. Some people forget there's a defensive side of the game too lol.
I've even seen some comparisons to the Showtime lakers, which is also utterly ridiculous again. Just because they're young and fun to watch at times doesn't mean they can be compared to that team. Regardless, the media is riding the Lakers hype train at the moment, so it's interesting to see where they'll end up this season and in the future.
I'll tell you who I really like on that Lakers team - Nance. He reminds me a lot of Smart that he does the little things to help them win.
Yeah I like him a lot too. Does the little things that matter, is a good defender, rebounds pretty well. He's probably my second favorite laker after DLo
but the box score says he played two minutes. Is that a mistake?Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Embiid won it in overtime tho. 25 points for the young phenom.
Was okafor hurt or benched?
Neither, wanted to give him tonight off since Embiid won't play the B2B tomorrow and they may need big mins form him.
Watching the replay now. Embiid got 2 fouls early so Okafor had to play a few minutes in the 1st half.but the box score says he played two minutes. Is that a mistake?Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Embiid won it in overtime tho. 25 points for the young phenom.
Was okafor hurt or benched?
Neither, wanted to give him tonight off since Embiid won't play the B2B tomorrow and they may need big mins form him.
yeah they had him suit up but told him he probably wouldn't play. He ended up playing a few minutes. He will get his 24 tonight.Watching the replay now. Embiid got 2 fouls early so Okafor had to play a few minutes in the 1st half.but the box score says he played two minutes. Is that a mistake?Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Embiid won it in overtime tho. 25 points for the young phenom.
Was okafor hurt or benched?
Neither, wanted to give him tonight off since Embiid won't play the B2B tomorrow and they may need big mins form him.
Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Embiid won it in overtime tho. 25 points for the young phenom.
Considering they probably won't win 20 this season that would probably put them in the playoffs next season.Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Embiid won it in overtime tho. 25 points for the young phenom.
I think they win 60 games over the next two seasons. Incredible success!
Next two, not including this one.Wishful thinking. If Simmons and Bayless weren't injured. they'd probably be .500 right now.
Watching the replay now. Embiid got 2 fouls early so Okafor had to play a few minutes in the 1st half.but the box score says he played two minutes. Is that a mistake?Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Embiid won it in overtime tho. 25 points for the young phenom.
Was okafor hurt or benched?
Neither, wanted to give him tonight off since Embiid won't play the B2B tomorrow and they may need big mins form him.
Looks like Embiid is about to get his first winlooks like I successfully jinxed them. Philly blew a 5 point lead with like 20 seconds left. Good to see hinkies tanking lives on
Embiid won it in overtime tho. 25 points for the young phenom.
I think they win 60 games over the next two seasons. Incredible success!
Wow the Pelicans are awful... know it sounds like broken tape but at some point AD is going to ask for a trade. Either in the season or after. Some lucky team will get him... That organization didn't provide any reasons for him to stay long-term...
There is just no way Spencer Hawes can box out Tristan Thompson effectively.
Thompson is far too quick and agile for the plodder Hawes.
There is just no way Spencer Hawes can box out Tristan Thompson effectively.
Thompson is far too quick and agile for the plodder Hawes.
What do you suppose they do then?
Wow, Charlotte is good this year. I know they had the same number of wins as us last year, but I thought that losing Lee, Jefferson, and especially Lin would have doomed them this season. Guess not, apparently a healthy MKG is more important than them. They look good so far.Gotta wait 20 games until making any judgements. Starting 6-1 is nice, but we'll see what happens. They have lost two in a row. Kemba Walker has been very efficient though
But I also think that they're not that big a challenge to us. We always seem to play them fairly well, and have won most of the time over the past 2 seasons.
Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
Alright, I'll bite.
What makes Gordon, Exum, Randle, Stauskas and other players "gems" and worthy of praise, but Smart has "been a disappointment"?
If we list out his numbers (12.5 pts, 3.8 rb, 3.7 ast, and a steal a game, on an improved percentage both from the field and also from deep), he seems to be doing just fine, much like his peers in his draft class. Is it his performance in relation to Ford's "Tiers"? Is that what all this is about? Or is it some other ESPN publication bashing Smart (perhaps the NBA rank?), and hence their word is now undeniable?
Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.rofl. Well done my friend. Instant classic post.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.You started a thread about the 2016 draft being pathetic after just 9 games. Now you come back with a post about the 2014 draft being underrated even though you could have said it was a disappointing draft after the 1st year. The same could be said about the 2013 draft which was perceived as weak at the time but looks a lot better now. That should tell you not to write off any draft after such a short time frame.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
marcus turns 23 in a couple months. He's been disappointing. But to his credit he's putting up slightly better shooting percentages so far. At worst, he has a long career as a role player. He could still make a leap. If he does, the 2014 draft will look even better.Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
Alright, I'll bite.
What makes Gordon, Exum, Randle, Stauskas and other players "gems" and worthy of praise, but Smart has "been a disappointment"?
If we list out his numbers (12.5 pts, 3.8 rb, 3.7 ast, and a steal a game, on an improved percentage both from the field and also from deep), he seems to be doing just fine, much like his peers in his draft class. Is it his performance in relation to Ford's "Tiers"? Is that what all this is about? Or is it some other ESPN publication bashing Smart (perhaps the NBA rank?), and hence their word is now undeniable?
easiest explanation, see marcus jersey and lastname is not spelled as EMBIID and also was not drafted by Hinkie
2016 draft has looked far worse than 2014 at the same point.Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.You started a thread about the 2016 draft being pathetic after just 9 games. Now you come back with a post about the 2014 draft being underrated even though you could have said it was a disappointing draft after the 1st year. The same could be said about the 2013 draft which was perceived as weak at the time but looks a lot better now. That should tell you not to write off any draft after such a short time frame.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
As for Smart, he's actually exceeded my expectations. He's basically who I thought he'd be except better on defense. I never thought he'd be a star. I don't believe you did either. So why would he be a disappointment?
In three years, the 2016 draft could look significantly better. Take away Wiggins and the 2014 didn't look much better. The 2013 draft didn't look much better.2016 draft has looked far worse than 2014 at the same point.Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.You started a thread about the 2016 draft being pathetic after just 9 games. Now you come back with a post about the 2014 draft being underrated even though you could have said it was a disappointing draft after the 1st year. The same could be said about the 2013 draft which was perceived as weak at the time but looks a lot better now. That should tell you not to write off any draft after such a short time frame.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
As for Smart, he's actually exceeded my expectations. He's basically who I thought he'd be except better on defense. I never thought he'd be a star. I don't believe you did either. So why would he be a disappointment?
Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.rofl. Well done my friend. Instant classic post.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
2016 draft has looked far worse than 2014 at the same point.Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.You started a thread about the 2016 draft being pathetic after just 9 games. Now you come back with a post about the 2014 draft being underrated even though you could have said it was a disappointing draft after the 1st year. The same could be said about the 2013 draft which was perceived as weak at the time but looks a lot better now. That should tell you not to write off any draft after such a short time frame.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
As for Smart, he's actually exceeded my expectations. He's basically who I thought he'd be except better on defense. I never thought he'd be a star. I don't believe you did either. So why would he be a disappointment?
I don't get what's so funny about it. I'm just marveling at how good (for the most part) the 2014 draft looks. Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Exum, Gordon, Randle, Stauskas and others seem to be living up to the hype.Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.rofl. Well done my friend. Instant classic post.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
TP. it really is something.
funny that most of the exciting prospects from the 2014 post similar statlines as the disappointing Smart......Nobody respects Marcus Smart more than I do. He's starting to live up to the "poor man's Tony Allen" label. I'm hopeful he can potentially even surpass that.
Stauskas is showing signs of life after TWO half decent games but Smart is disappointing .....
It s not long ago when Avery Bradley was a disappointment
I don't get what's so funny about it. I'm just marveling at how good (for the most part) the 2014 draft looks. Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Exum, Gordon, Randle, Stauskas and others seem to be living up to the hype.Andrew Wiggins has been outstanding so far this year. Still only 21 years old. Averaging 24 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists with 45%/57%/73% shooting... that's before tonight where he went off for 47 points. Living up to the hype.rofl. Well done my friend. Instant classic post.
Meanwhile... Jabari Parker, who many folks here told me was not worth trading the Brooklyn pick for just a handful of months ago, is averaging 19.1 points, 6.2 rebounds, 2 assists with 47%/35%/87% shooting... and is also only 21.
Oh, and Joel Embiid, in case you missed it, looks like a true future superstar so far.
So much for the 2014 draft being "overrated". The top 3 looks epic. Those were the 3 guys pegged as potential superstars. Still only kids... showing signs of it.
After the top 3, others in that draft are showing progress as well.
Exum is still coming back from his injury, but averaging 6.5 points, 2.4 rebounds, 1.6 assists with 43%/36%/86% shooting in limited minutes... perhaps he's the one most likely to bust? But he's still only 21.
Aaron Gordon continues to show improvement. Averaging 11 points, 5.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 1.4 steals and 1 block.
Smart's been a disappointment, but #7 pick Julius Randle has been carrying the Lakers to a surprising 6-5 record so far and looks like a future all-star as well. Averaging 14 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1 steal and 1 block with 54% shooting. Living up to the Z-Bo comps.
Even oft-ridiculed #8 pick Nik Stauskas is showing some life. Double-digit scoring his last two games and his shooting percentages are 49%/39%/85% to start the season.
As you go deeper you'll find other gems such as Nukic, Saric, Capela, and LaVine.
Payton and McDermott are a couple stand-out role players.
The 2014 draft is looking underrated.
TP. it really is something.
Sure, there might be a dud here or there. But even 2003 had a dud in the top 6 - Darko Millicic... and yet it doesn't take away from how great that draft is regarded.
Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
funny that most of the exciting prospects from the 2014 post similar statlines as the disappointing Smart......Nobody respects Marcus Smart more than I do. He's starting to live up to the "poor man's Tony Allen" label. I'm hopeful he can potentially even surpass that.
Stauskas is showing signs of life after TWO half decent games but Smart is disappointing .....
It s not long ago when Avery Bradley was a disappointment
funny that most of the exciting prospects from the 2014 post similar statlines as the disappointing Smart......Nobody respects Marcus Smart more than I do. He's starting to live up to the "poor man's Tony Allen" label. I'm hopeful he can potentially even surpass that.
Stauskas is showing signs of life after TWO half decent games but Smart is disappointing .....
It s not long ago when Avery Bradley was a disappointment
I've written tremendous things about Smart recently. I pointed out that his shooting percentages have gone from a historically bad 35%/25% to just below the mendoza line at 40%/32% so far this season. That's huge if he keeps that up. I still think Smart can be terrific. I hope this is his break out season.funny that most of the exciting prospects from the 2014 post similar statlines as the disappointing Smart......Nobody respects Marcus Smart more than I do. He's starting to live up to the "poor man's Tony Allen" label. I'm hopeful he can potentially even surpass that.
Stauskas is showing signs of life after TWO half decent games but Smart is disappointing .....
It s not long ago when Avery Bradley was a disappointment
The thread is about to explode in 1..2...3.....
I do have tremendous respect for Smart. I've repeatedly written that regardless of what anyone else tries to say, I still personally have Smart ahead of Julius Randle and Nik Stauskas.funny that most of the exciting prospects from the 2014 post similar statlines as the disappointing Smart......Nobody respects Marcus Smart more than I do. He's starting to live up to the "poor man's Tony Allen" label. I'm hopeful he can potentially even surpass that.
Stauskas is showing signs of life after TWO half decent games but Smart is disappointing .....
It s not long ago when Avery Bradley was a disappointment
Haha that's like hearing Trump talk about how no one respects women more than him.
"Poor man's Tony Allen"- yeah I'm sure that no one respects him more than you with such glowing praise. Maybe, if he's lucky, he will one day be as good as the legend Nik Stauskas?
funny that most of the exciting prospects from the 2014 post similar statlines as the disappointing Smart......Nobody respects Marcus Smart more than I do. He's starting to live up to the "poor man's Tony Allen" label. I'm hopeful he can potentially even surpass that.
Stauskas is showing signs of life after TWO half decent games but Smart is disappointing .....
It s not long ago when Avery Bradley was a disappointment
Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
That's the trouble right there. When you reference TA on this forum, people automatically think you're talking about Tony Allen in his Celtic days. We're talking about the Tony Allen that's 5x All-Defense (3x First Team). That happened after the Celtics. A lot of people here don't realize his career continued after he left Boston.funny that most of the exciting prospects from the 2014 post similar statlines as the disappointing Smart......Nobody respects Marcus Smart more than I do. He's starting to live up to the "poor man's Tony Allen" label. I'm hopeful he can potentially even surpass that.
Stauskas is showing signs of life after TWO half decent games but Smart is disappointing .....
It s not long ago when Avery Bradley was a disappointment
As far as TA's tenure with the Celtics goes, Marcus is already a "wealthy-man's Tony Allen". Do you remember the feeling you got when the ball was in TA's hands (as a Celtic)? I remember it well -- it was a rather unsettling.
Marcus at 22 is a better player than the 28yo TA that left Boston.
Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
On that note, I realize I might not be giving Doug McDermott enough credit. Solid 9.4 points, 2.4 rebounds with 45%/43%/86% shooting last season for a decent Bulls team. Showing his worth even more this season averaging 11 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist with 51%/36%/87% shooting in only 23mpg for a solid 6-4 Bulls team. You're right in that I should give a guy like McDermott more credit for making big contributions to help his team win. Another big underrated selection from the 2014 draft.In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
On that note, I realize I might not be giving Doug McDermott enough credit. Solid 9.4 points, 2.4 rebounds with 45%/43%/86% shooting last season for a decent Bulls team. Showing his worth even more this season averaging 11 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist with 51%/36%/87% shooting in only 23mpg for a solid 6-4 Bulls team. You're right in that I should give a guy like McDermott more credit for making big contributions to help his team win. Another big underrated selection from the 2014 draft.In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Like I said, nobody has more respect for Smart than I do. I have tremendous hope that he'll still turn into a great player and make the improbable leap this year. I've been encouraged by the early signs this season of him taking his shooting percentages above historically bad range. Despite what everyone else might say, I still personally have Smart above both Julius Randle and Nik Stauskas in my prospect rankings. But to suggest he hasn't been a profound disappointment over the course of his first two injury-plagued seasons would be disingenuous. There's still the real possibility he pans out as a defensive role player... maybe not the level of 5x All Defense Tony Allen, but still a very good role player. Good news is he's still only 23 years old and despite years of examples of the Ricky Rubios and Rajon Rondos of the world incapable of improving their shots, Kemba Walker is a recent rare example of someone who is showing progress and increasing his efficiency after years of chucking. I hope Marcus can do the same.On that note, I realize I might not be giving Doug McDermott enough credit. Solid 9.4 points, 2.4 rebounds with 45%/43%/86% shooting last season for a decent Bulls team. Showing his worth even more this season averaging 11 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist with 51%/36%/87% shooting in only 23mpg for a solid 6-4 Bulls team. You're right in that I should give a guy like McDermott more credit for making big contributions to help his team win. Another big underrated selection from the 2014 draft.In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Right, so give credit where credit is due (in this case, give credit to Smart, and stop calling him a disappointment)
Like I said, nobody has more respect for Smart than I do. I have tremendous hope that he'll still turn into a great player and make the improbable leap this year. I've been encouraged by the early signs this season of him taking his shooting percentages above historically bad range. Despite what everyone else might say, I still personally have Smart above both Julius Randle and Nik Stauskas in my prospect rankings. But to suggest he hasn't been a profound disappointment over the course of his first two injury-plagued seasons would be disingenuous. There's still the real possibility he pans out as a defensive role player... maybe not the level of 5x All Defense Tony Allen, but still a very good role player. Good news is he's still only 23 years old and despite years of examples of the Ricky Rubios and Rajon Rondos of the world incapable of improving their shots, Kemba Walker is a recent rare example of someone who is showing progress and increasing his efficiency after years of chucking. I hope Marcus can do the same.On that note, I realize I might not be giving Doug McDermott enough credit. Solid 9.4 points, 2.4 rebounds with 45%/43%/86% shooting last season for a decent Bulls team. Showing his worth even more this season averaging 11 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist with 51%/36%/87% shooting in only 23mpg for a solid 6-4 Bulls team. You're right in that I should give a guy like McDermott more credit for making big contributions to help his team win. Another big underrated selection from the 2014 draft.In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Right, so give credit where credit is due (in this case, give credit to Smart, and stop calling him a disappointment)
We've talked about it before. Probably best suited for another thread. Disappointment is based on expectations. When Avery Bradley had a rough rookie season, I didn't sweat it, because I had no expectations for a guy selected where he was selected. Likewise with Terry Rozier. There's only so much you can expect from a #16 pick. Anything Rozier does is a positive. But a #6 pick in a draft labelled 8 potential stars deep comes with expectations... especially when Smart was widely considered one of the most NBA-ready players in that entire draft. He's a part of why the 2014 draft has been called overrated. All I was getting at is that guys like Wiggins, Parker and Embiid are starting to look really good and while it's still early, if their level of play continues, it might vindicate the 2014 draft. Hopefully Smart contributes to that as well.Like I said, nobody has more respect for Smart than I do. I have tremendous hope that he'll still turn into a great player and make the improbable leap this year. I've been encouraged by the early signs this season of him taking his shooting percentages above historically bad range. Despite what everyone else might say, I still personally have Smart above both Julius Randle and Nik Stauskas in my prospect rankings. But to suggest he hasn't been a profound disappointment over the course of his first two injury-plagued seasons would be disingenuous. There's still the real possibility he pans out as a defensive role player... maybe not the level of 5x All Defense Tony Allen, but still a very good role player. Good news is he's still only 23 years old and despite years of examples of the Ricky Rubios and Rajon Rondos of the world incapable of improving their shots, Kemba Walker is a recent rare example of someone who is showing progress and increasing his efficiency after years of chucking. I hope Marcus can do the same.On that note, I realize I might not be giving Doug McDermott enough credit. Solid 9.4 points, 2.4 rebounds with 45%/43%/86% shooting last season for a decent Bulls team. Showing his worth even more this season averaging 11 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist with 51%/36%/87% shooting in only 23mpg for a solid 6-4 Bulls team. You're right in that I should give a guy like McDermott more credit for making big contributions to help his team win. Another big underrated selection from the 2014 draft.In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Right, so give credit where credit is due (in this case, give credit to Smart, and stop calling him a disappointment)
Have his numbers been subpar? Definitely. But what gets a player out of LarBrd's "disappointment" category?
That's a rather simplistic statement. Did Durant putting up nice numbers when his team stunk his first two seasons mean very little? What about Lebron in his first season? If you watch the games, you'll see Embiid being on court makes a world of difference for the Sixers especially on defense.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Love that you single out Smart, the only guy who played for a winning team and actually made meaningful contributions to that team. In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.
Sure. It's the kind of logic that leads to Kelly Olynyk for Anthony Davis trade proposals on homer forums. But I get his point... Doug McDermott deserves credit for making big contributions for a winning Chicago team. This is partially why I argued this Summer that Doug McDermott was likely a better prospect entering the league than Buddy Hield.That's a rather simplistic statement. Did Durant putting up nice numbers when his team stunk his first two seasons mean very little? What about Lebron in his first season? If you watch the games, you'll see Embiid being on court makes a world of difference for the Sixers especially on defense.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Love that you single out Smart, the only guy who played for a winning team and actually made meaningful contributions to that team. In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.
On that note, I realize I might not be giving Doug McDermott enough credit. Solid 9.4 points, 2.4 rebounds with 45%/43%/86% shooting last season for a decent Bulls team. Showing his worth even more this season averaging 11 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist with 51%/36%/87% shooting in only 23mpg for a solid 6-4 Bulls team. You're right in that I should give a guy like McDermott more credit for making big contributions to help his team win. Another big underrated selection from the 2014 draft.In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Sure. It's the kind of logic that leads to Kelly Olynyk for Anthony Davis trade proposals on homer forums. But I get his point... Doug McDermott deserves credit for making big contributions for a winning Chicago team. This is partially why I argued this Summer that Doug McDermott was likely a better prospect entering the league than Buddy Hield.That's a rather simplistic statement. Did Durant putting up nice numbers when his team stunk his first two seasons mean very little? What about Lebron in his first season? If you watch the games, you'll see Embiid being on court makes a world of difference for the Sixers especially on defense.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Love that you single out Smart, the only guy who played for a winning team and actually made meaningful contributions to that team. In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.
So kinda like... umm... 5x All-Defense Tony Allen? Smart is showing signs he might reach that level some day. I'm still hoping he can surpass that.Sure. It's the kind of logic that leads to Kelly Olynyk for Anthony Davis trade proposals on homer forums. But I get his point... Doug McDermott deserves credit for making big contributions for a winning Chicago team. This is partially why I argued this Summer that Doug McDermott was likely a better prospect entering the league than Buddy Hield.That's a rather simplistic statement. Did Durant putting up nice numbers when his team stunk his first two seasons mean very little? What about Lebron in his first season? If you watch the games, you'll see Embiid being on court makes a world of difference for the Sixers especially on defense.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Love that you single out Smart, the only guy who played for a winning team and actually made meaningful contributions to that team. In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.
Many NBA fans love all offense, no (or little) defense stars like James Harden, Carmelo Anthony, Kyrie Irving, Blake Griffin, Dirk Nowitzki, etc. Guys like Marcus Smart do not fit into this paradigm. He affects the game in ways that do not show up in the box score. It is no surprise that people find his play disappointing so far. Once he starts hitting a couple more shots per game, some will think that his game has magically transformed.
McDermott didn't do much in his 1st season. He's in a good situation that suits his capabilities. How good would he look on a bad team? I'm not particularly high on Hield but he could become a solid player with a couple years development.Sure. It's the kind of logic that leads to Kelly Olynyk for Anthony Davis trade proposals on homer forums. But I get his point... Doug McDermott deserves credit for making big contributions for a winning Chicago team. This is partially why I argued this Summer that Doug McDermott was likely a better prospect entering the league than Buddy Hield.That's a rather simplistic statement. Did Durant putting up nice numbers when his team stunk his first two seasons mean very little? What about Lebron in his first season? If you watch the games, you'll see Embiid being on court makes a world of difference for the Sixers especially on defense.Found on Reddit. Joel Embiid's points per 36 minutes is the highest in NBA history:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CxE534IWgAAvT1I.jpg)
Did the Sixers subreddit also tell you he has the highest usage rate in NBA history if he continues at this pace? Did they also tell you he would be averaging the most turnovers per game in NBA history if he continues at this pace?
He's shooting 58% from three. Kid's a stah. 7'2 Larry Bird. Book it.
Seriously tho... for players with at least 10 three point attempts, the top two shooters in the league are Joel Embiid (58%) and Andrew Wiggins (55%)... which goes back to the point I was trying to make. The 2014 draft got a lot of flack for being "overrated" after seeing guys like Marcus Smart struggle through two seasons, but now we're getting a chance to see many of the players from that class start to live up to their potential as guys like Embiid and Parker reach full health.
Love that you single out Smart, the only guy who played for a winning team and actually made meaningful contributions to that team. In the grand scheme of things, a high draft pick putting up nice numbers on a trash team means very little. I'll take the guy who's actually helping his team win.
So does anyone else still think that the Lakers are a joke?They are gaining steam. They knocked off a strong Brooklyn team tonight. Julius Randle with a triple double. Russell looks like a future superstar. The Lakers have a better record than us... go figure. Still, I think as the season progresses I have a hard time imagining a team like the Lakers finishing with a better record than the Wolves (who are well behind them at this point). I think stuff will even out. But if their young star prospects continue to shine earlier than expected, maybe not. It really only takes a couple studs players for a team to make a rapid turnaround... Glimpses at success like this is why teams tank.
They're forreals now. Might make a strong push for a 4-8 seed this year.
So does anyone else still think that the Lakers are a joke?The Lakers last 5 games have been against Mavs, Kings, Pelicans, TWolves and Nets which they only went 3-2 against. Their record is 7-5. Let's see where they stand at the end of the month with their remain games being: GSW (twice), Spurs, Hawks, Bulls (twice), OKC and NOP.
They're forreals now. Might make a strong push for a 4-8 seed this year.
So does anyone else still think that the Lakers are a joke?
They're forreals now. Might make a strong push for a 4-8 seed this year.
ScrewWell said!!! TP!
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What's going on with the Wizards? They lost to the Sixers without Embiid playing.
What's going on with the Wizards? They lost to the Sixers without Embiid playing.Sixers are going to sporadically show signs of life despite having 4 of their best players sitting out currently. Okafor had a big night tonight with 19 efficient points in 20 minutes. Dario Saric looking solid off the bench with 13 points, 12 rebounds. Nik Stauskas continuing to show signs of finally living up to his potential with 15 efficient points off the bench. Plus the vets Ilyasova, Rodriguez and Henderson are playing decent. Don't be stunned if when the minutes restrictions lift and their best players get healthy Philly doesn't give some teams trouble this year. They are still a ways away, but there's talent bubbling under the surface and when you have superstar prospects, there's always the potential they break out and start carrying a team to victories.
Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
kind of funny to see you on here chirping about okafor. He had a good game for sure but was coming off something like 2-11 shooting where he was dominated by capela and benched late in favor of Holmes. Good to see him bounce back to stay ahead of Holmes on the depth chart.What's going on with the Wizards? They lost to the Sixers without Embiid playing.Sixers are going to sporadically show signs of life despite having 4 of their best players sitting out currently. Okafor had a big night tonight with 19 efficient points in 20 minutes. Dario Saric looking solid off the bench with 13 points, 12 rebounds. Nik Stauskas continuing to show signs of finally living up to his potential with 15 efficient points off the bench. Plus the vets Ilyasova, Rodriguez and Henderson are playing decent. Don't be stunned if when the minutes restrictions lift and their best players get healthy Philly doesn't give some teams trouble this year. They are still a ways away, but there's talent bubbling under the surface and when you have superstar prospects, there's always the potential they break out and start carrying a team to victories.
Not surprising. Gortat is a good matchup for Okafor and Capella isn't. They play the TWolves next. Last year, Okafor dominated Towns one game and the 2nd game was pretty even but neither played particularly well. Seeing Embiid and Towns go at it should be fun. It will be interesting to see if Okafor and Embiid play together any against Towns and Dieng.kind of funny to see you on here chirping about okafor. He had a good game for sure but was coming off something like 2-11 shooting where he was dominated by capela and benched late in favor of Holmes. Good to see him bounce back to stay ahead of Holmes on the depth chart.What's going on with the Wizards? They lost to the Sixers without Embiid playing.Sixers are going to sporadically show signs of life despite having 4 of their best players sitting out currently. Okafor had a big night tonight with 19 efficient points in 20 minutes. Dario Saric looking solid off the bench with 13 points, 12 rebounds. Nik Stauskas continuing to show signs of finally living up to his potential with 15 efficient points off the bench. Plus the vets Ilyasova, Rodriguez and Henderson are playing decent. Don't be stunned if when the minutes restrictions lift and their best players get healthy Philly doesn't give some teams trouble this year. They are still a ways away, but there's talent bubbling under the surface and when you have superstar prospects, there's always the potential they break out and start carrying a team to victories.
Watch the Lakers nose-dive shortly. They have a tough schedule coming up. Walton is doing great but it's not clear that the younger guys can stay committed to his approach. Playoffs? I still think its a stretch.So does anyone else still think that the Lakers are a joke?
They're forreals now. Might make a strong push for a 4-8 seed this year.
I said it since before the season started. They can be really good this year. Good group of guys. I'm excited for them.
TP right back at yaScrewWell said!!! TP!
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Watch the Lakers nose-dive shortly. They have a tough schedule coming up. Walton is doing great but it's not clear that the younger guys can stay committed to his approach. Playoffs? I still think its a stretch.So does anyone else still think that the Lakers are a joke?
They're forreals now. Might make a strong push for a 4-8 seed this year.
I said it since before the season started. They can be really good this year. Good group of guys. I'm excited for them.
Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
Does anyone think that Utah's whole roster is injury prone?
No... Saric has flat-out been the 2nd best rookie in the league. Period. He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three. That makes him the 2nd best rookie so far. Then there's a bit of a dropoff to Malcolm Brogdon at #3.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
No... Saric has flat-out been the 2nd best rookie in the league. Period. He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three. That makes him the 2nd best rookie so far. Then there's a bit of a dropoff to Malcolm Brogdon at #3.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
Saric also lead his team in field goal attempts last night, was top 3 in minutes... and is leading all rookies in minutes per game (26.9). Per usual, Eddie's comment about him being "benched" was asinine. He's started more games than any rookie this year (10). Lol
No... Saric has flat-out been the 2nd best rookie in the league. Period. He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three. That makes him the 2nd best rookie so far. Then there's a bit of a dropoff to Malcolm Brogdon at #3.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
Saric also lead his team in field goal attempts last night, was top 3 in minutes... and is leading all rookies in minutes per game (26.9). Per usual, Eddie's comment about him being "benched" was asinine. He's started more games than any rookie this year (10). Lol
Saric also has a PER of 8.3. By comparison, Jaylen Brown's PER is 13.5.
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No... Saric has flat-out been the 2nd best rookie in the league. Period. He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three. That makes him the 2nd best rookie so far. Then there's a bit of a dropoff to Malcolm Brogdon at #3.
Saric also lead his team in field goal attempts last night, was top 3 in minutes... and is leading all rookies in minutes per game (26.9). Per usual, Eddie's comment about him being "benched" was asinine. He's started more games than any rookie this year (10). Lol
Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
Saric has been benched for a journeyman. Doesn't Brown realize the "rookie", who turns 23 in April, is a tier 2 prospect and a ROTY candidate?
Saric will come off the bench in Wednesday's game against the Wizards, Tom Moore of Calkins Media reports. Head coach Brett Brown said he wants to take the pressure of Saric and get the rookie more looks with the second unit. Ersan Ilyasova will start in Saric's place.
I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season. Check any ranking.Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats
"Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes."
I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season. Check any ranking.Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats
Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes. Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year. Bottom line end of story. Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season. Check any ranking.Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats
you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.
his impact is clearly fading. Brown has scored more than eight points once in the last five games and has had some bad moments, as well as good, on defense. He also hasn’t broken 20 minutes since Nov. 6. The No. 3 pick is on the verge of joining the unranked.
Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes. Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year. Bottom line end of story. Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season. Check any ranking.Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats
you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.
And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season. Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise. He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.
These threads are no longer fun.what do mean?
alldaboston, stuff is getting lost in translation here. Here's how the flow of this conversation went.I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too.Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes. Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year. Bottom line end of story. Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season. Check any ranking.Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats
you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.
And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season. Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise. He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.
alldaboston, stuff is getting lost in translation here. Here's how the flow of this conversation went.I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too.Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes. Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year. Bottom line end of story. Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season. Check any ranking.Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats
you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.
And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season. Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise. He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.
- Some troll points out that "Saric was benched... Doesn't Brown realize the "rookie", who turns 23 in April, is a tier 2 prospect and a ROTY candidate?" ... Clear and straight forward attempt to instigate.
- I point out that Saric is widely considered to be having the 2nd best rookie campaign this season behind Embiid. I point out some of his early season credentials. I point out that him "benched" is clearly a negative spin on a positive situation. Saric was always expected to come off the bench. That he's leading all rookies in minutes and games started is a surprise. That he put up solid numbers off the bench last night (3rd on the team in minutes and #1 on the team in field goal attempts last night) points to how irrelevant that "oh no saric has been benched" nonsense comment was.
- Someone points out that Saric's FG% isn't great (16th amoungst all rookies) and for some random reason decides to compare him to Marcus Smart... who isn't a rookie this year and wasn't a rookie last year.
- I reiterate that despite Saric's "flaws", he's having the 2nd best campaign (so far) out of all rookies. Highlight any rookie other than Saric and Embiid and you'll have a player who is playing even worse.
That's about as far as this conversation needs to go. It's not that interesting.
Though, if you'd like to start a different thread comparing Saric to Smart, it's potentially worthwhile as they were seen as being the same tier of prospects when both were drafted in 2014.
Yeah it's not that interesting, but given that both were drafted in 2014 and were seen as the same tier of prospect, maybe you can start that thread if you really want to. Saric's per-36 numbers (in his first 11 NBA games) of 13.4 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals with 39%/41%/73% shooting compares well with Smart's Per-36 stats (who turns 23 in March and is in his 3rd season) of 12.7 points, 4.9 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals with 40%/33%/47% shooting.alldaboston, stuff is getting lost in translation here. Here's how the flow of this conversation went.I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too.Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes. Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year. Bottom line end of story. Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season. Check any ranking.Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats
you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.
And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season. Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise. He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.
- Some troll points out that "Saric was benched... Doesn't Brown realize the "rookie", who turns 23 in April, is a tier 2 prospect and a ROTY candidate?" ... Clear and straight forward attempt to instigate.
- I point out that Saric is widely considered to be having the 2nd best rookie campaign this season behind Embiid. I point out some of his early season credentials. I point out that him "benched" is clearly a negative spin on a positive situation. Saric was always expected to come off the bench. That he's leading all rookies in minutes and games started is a surprise. That he put up solid numbers off the bench last night (3rd on the team in minutes and #1 on the team in field goal attempts last night) points to how irrelevant that "oh no saric has been benched" nonsense comment was.
- Someone points out that Saric's FG% isn't great (16th amoungst all rookies) and for some random reason decides to compare him to Marcus Smart... who isn't a rookie this year and wasn't a rookie last year.
- I reiterate that despite Saric's "flaws", he's having the 2nd best campaign (so far) out of all rookies. Highlight any rookie other than Saric and Embiid and you'll have a player who is playing even worse.
That's about as far as this conversation needs to go. It's not that interesting.
Though, if you'd like to start a different thread comparing Saric to Smart, it's potentially worthwhile as they were seen as being the same tier of prospects when both were drafted in 2014.
sigh
ok. thanks for understanding my point, i guess. it's fine, we don't need to start yet another comparison thread.
Yeah it's not that interesting, but given that both were drafted in 2014 and were seen as the same tier of prospect, maybe you can start that thread if you really want to. Saric's per-36 numbers (in his first 11 NBA games) of 13.4 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals with 39%/41%/73% shooting compares well with Smart's Per-36 stats (who turns 23 in March and is in his 3rd season) of 12.7 points, 4.9 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals with 40%/33%/47% shooting.alldaboston, stuff is getting lost in translation here. Here's how the flow of this conversation went.I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too.Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes. Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year. Bottom line end of story. Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season. Check any ranking.Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats
you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.
And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season. Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise. He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.
- Some troll points out that "Saric was benched... Doesn't Brown realize the "rookie", who turns 23 in April, is a tier 2 prospect and a ROTY candidate?" ... Clear and straight forward attempt to instigate.
- I point out that Saric is widely considered to be having the 2nd best rookie campaign this season behind Embiid. I point out some of his early season credentials. I point out that him "benched" is clearly a negative spin on a positive situation. Saric was always expected to come off the bench. That he's leading all rookies in minutes and games started is a surprise. That he put up solid numbers off the bench last night (3rd on the team in minutes and #1 on the team in field goal attempts last night) points to how irrelevant that "oh no saric has been benched" nonsense comment was.
- Someone points out that Saric's FG% isn't great (16th amoungst all rookies) and for some random reason decides to compare him to Marcus Smart... who isn't a rookie this year and wasn't a rookie last year.
- I reiterate that despite Saric's "flaws", he's having the 2nd best campaign (so far) out of all rookies. Highlight any rookie other than Saric and Embiid and you'll have a player who is playing even worse.
That's about as far as this conversation needs to go. It's not that interesting.
Though, if you'd like to start a different thread comparing Saric to Smart, it's potentially worthwhile as they were seen as being the same tier of prospects when both were drafted in 2014.
sigh
ok. thanks for understanding my point, i guess. it's fine, we don't need to start yet another comparison thread.
I don't think that's something worth discussing here, though.
All I'm going to say is I find it impressive that the 6ers have six lottery picks in the last four years on their roster, including apparently the two best rookies this year, are 2-9, and people still think that team has it made. Four years of tanking and pick acquisition, 6 lottery picks, and still dead last.They actually aren't in dead last... Anthony Davis and the Pelicans are in dead last. The Sixers won last night without 4 of their best players. I see you're taking the short-sighted view on that team.
One last thing... Joel Embiid Has Applied for a Trademark for “The Process” to Sell Bottled Shirley Temples: http://www.crossingbroad.com/2016/11/joel-embiid-has-applied-for-a-trademark-for-the-process-to-sell-bottled-shirley-temples.html
Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
We probably could had been in that discussion also if we went into a total tank.Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
Please do not disparage my home dingers.Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.
I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
Please do not disparage my home dingers.Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.
I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
What Barkley says is true, though. These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league. 5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.
Then again, Embiid might be hurt again. So who knows.
Please do not disparage my home dingers.Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.
I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
What Barkley says is true, though. These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league. 5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.
Then again, Embiid might be hurt again. So who knows.
I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.
Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?
None of those rookies are leaving unless the TWolves and Sixers want them to. Wiggins and Embiid will both probably sign long term extensions this offseason. The new CBA will probably make it even easier for teams to keep their players.Please do not disparage my home dingers.Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.
I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
What Barkley says is true, though. These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league. 5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.
Then again, Embiid might be hurt again. So who knows.
I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.
Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?
Please do not disparage my home dingers.Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.
I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
What Barkley says is true, though. These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league. 5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.
Then again, Embiid might be hurt again. So who knows.
I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.
Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?
None of those rookies are leaving unless the TWolves and Sixers want them to. Wiggins and Embiid will both probably sign long term extensions this offseason. The new CBA will probably make it even easier for teams to keep their players.Please do not disparage my home dingers.Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.
I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
What Barkley says is true, though. These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league. 5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.
Then again, Embiid might be hurt again. So who knows.
I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.
Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?
Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.
Hmmmmmmm.....
Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.Hmmmm indeed. I don't know if I would like to trade for him, but it's certainly interesting to see. Is he playing bad this season? Or is it just that Kidd is dedicated to the youth movement?
Hmmmmmmm.....
Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.
Hmmmmmmm.....
Interesting. Is Kidd sending a message or are they lining up a trade?
None of those rookies are leaving unless the TWolves and Sixers want them to. Wiggins and Embiid will both probably sign long term extensions this offseason. The new CBA will probably make it even easier for teams to keep their players.Please do not disparage my home dingers.Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.
I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
What Barkley says is true, though. These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league. 5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.
Then again, Embiid might be hurt again. So who knows.
I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.
Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?
Is that true? I don't know much about the CBA.
Why wouldn't one of the bigs in Philly want to go elsewhere? I would think that Minnesota and Philly are not the first or second most popular teams for NBA stars.
Simmons in particular must have felt like his hands were tied with the LSU decision, and then couldn't have been too excited to get drafted by Philly. On a player's second deal, are the salary differences that much different that Simmons wouldn't think about going to LA (not even considering the difference in marketing opportunities)? He hired Lebron's agent Rich Paul, who has effectively worked shorter term contracts for his client.
With salaries going up across the league, wouldn't all teams have more money to spend in FA? I would think Simmons would be better off to test the market and listen to what teams want to pitch him.
Evan Turner has been one of the worst players in the NBA this season. Not surprised people are already calling it arguably the worst deal of last summer.
He should write Brad a stipend for the rest of his life. Those two seasons here have set him for life.
Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.Hmmmm indeed. I don't know if I would like to trade for him, but it's certainly interesting to see. Is he playing bad this season? Or is it just that Kidd is dedicated to the youth movement?
Hmmmmmmm.....
Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.Hmmmm indeed. I don't know if I would like to trade for him, but it's certainly interesting to see. Is he playing bad this season? Or is it just that Kidd is dedicated to the youth movement?
Hmmmmmmm.....
I think its more that the Bucks realize they need to play bigs that are better defensively like John Henson, can run the floor like Miles Plumlee, or stretch the floor like Mirza Teletovic. I'm also pretty sure they're hoping someday Thon Maker will be able to do all three of those things. Those guys help the team more than Monroe's style of play.
I for one would like Monroe but only if all other options have failed, the Celtics haven't solved their rebounding woes, and if he agrees to opt out this summer.
Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.Hmmmm indeed. I don't know if I would like to trade for him, but it's certainly interesting to see. Is he playing bad this season? Or is it just that Kidd is dedicated to the youth movement?
Hmmmmmmm.....
I think its more that the Bucks realize they need to play bigs that are better defensively like John Henson, can run the floor like Miles Plumlee, or stretch the floor like Mirza Teletovic. I'm also pretty sure they're hoping someday Thon Maker will be able to do all three of those things. Those guys help the team more than Monroe's style of play.
I for one would like Monroe but only if all other options have failed, the Celtics haven't solved their rebounding woes, and if he agrees to opt out this summer.
would you resign him this summer? i'm personally kinda "meh" on his game, but i'm willing to be persuaded one way or another.
Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.Hmmmm indeed. I don't know if I would like to trade for him, but it's certainly interesting to see. Is he playing bad this season? Or is it just that Kidd is dedicated to the youth movement?
Hmmmmmmm.....
I think its more that the Bucks realize they need to play bigs that are better defensively like John Henson, can run the floor like Miles Plumlee, or stretch the floor like Mirza Teletovic. I'm also pretty sure they're hoping someday Thon Maker will be able to do all three of those things. Those guys help the team more than Monroe's style of play.
I for one would like Monroe but only if all other options have failed, the Celtics haven't solved their rebounding woes, and if he agrees to opt out this summer.
would you resign him this summer? i'm personally kinda "meh" on his game, but i'm willing to be persuaded one way or another.
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I'm not sure. I think Monroe has always played on the wrong team his whole career. In Detroit he lived in Andre Drummond's shadow. In Milwaukee he went to a team with no spacing and crappy defense which spelled disaster for all parties involved. It's funny because I thought he was going to thrive on the Bucks but it turned out Jabari was worse atn defense and spacing the floor then I thought he was.
Anyway, I think Monroe would help solve the Celtics rebounding issues and thrive playing next to the likes of Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, and Olynyk because they are all feared shooters. Having them would make it much easier for him to dominate in the post. The issue is that the offense is already pretty darn good and it's the defense that seems to be struggling (Though Chris Forsberg tweeted out today that the D has improved a bit since those embarrassing blowouts to Denver and Washington). I don't think Monroe is as bad defensively as people think he is but he doesn't make a defense better. I'd prefer Demarcus Cousins or Nerlens Noel because those guys can help the defense.
It all comes down to the quite obvious fact that the Celtics need another big who can consistently produce. Monroe can do that, but to what degree can he do that? Keeping Monroe long-term would have to depend on how well he would fit on the roster. If he fits well enough to make the Celtics a contender, then sign me up, but if he's not, I'd rather the Celtics go for someone better. That's simply because Monroe would cost a bit. I'd rather that money be thrown at a much bigger name like Cousins, Durant, or Griffin.
Greg Monroe had a healthy DNP tonight.Hmmmm indeed. I don't know if I would like to trade for him, but it's certainly interesting to see. Is he playing bad this season? Or is it just that Kidd is dedicated to the youth movement?
Hmmmmmmm.....
I think its more that the Bucks realize they need to play bigs that are better defensively like John Henson, can run the floor like Miles Plumlee, or stretch the floor like Mirza Teletovic. I'm also pretty sure they're hoping someday Thon Maker will be able to do all three of those things. Those guys help the team more than Monroe's style of play.
I for one would like Monroe but only if all other options have failed, the Celtics haven't solved their rebounding woes, and if he agrees to opt out this summer.
would you resign him this summer? i'm personally kinda "meh" on his game, but i'm willing to be persuaded one way or another.
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I'm not sure. I think Monroe has always played on the wrong team his whole career. In Detroit he lived in Andre Drummond's shadow. In Milwaukee he went to a team with no spacing and crappy defense which spelled disaster for all parties involved. It's funny because I thought he was going to thrive on the Bucks but it turned out Jabari was worse atn defense and spacing the floor then I thought he was.
Anyway, I think Monroe would help solve the Celtics rebounding issues and thrive playing next to the likes of Thomas, Bradley, Crowder, Horford, and Olynyk because they are all feared shooters. Having them would make it much easier for him to dominate in the post. The issue is that the offense is already pretty darn good and it's the defense that seems to be struggling (Though Chris Forsberg tweeted out today that the D has improved a bit since those embarrassing blowouts to Denver and Washington). I don't think Monroe is as bad defensively as people think he is but he doesn't make a defense better. I'd prefer Demarcus Cousins or Nerlens Noel because those guys can help the defense.
It all comes down to the quite obvious fact that the Celtics need another big who can consistently produce. Monroe can do that, but to what degree can he do that? Keeping Monroe long-term would have to depend on how well he would fit on the roster. If he fits well enough to make the Celtics a contender, then sign me up, but if he's not, I'd rather the Celtics go for someone better. That's simply because Monroe would cost a bit. I'd rather that money be thrown at a much bigger name like Cousins, Durant, or Griffin.
Yeah, my two biggest concerns with Monroe are his defense, and his future on the team if we were to trade for him. I don't mind his skill set at all, on offense, but you have to wonder whether signing him will help us get closer to Cleveland, or whether it'll stagnate the whole process of what Danny has built up to this point.
I really want to go for Blake. I think he would look so good here, and he would help us out a lot. But i also know he's gonna stay in LA. Hollywood and the big life is just too important to who he is off the court (commercials, advertisements, and all).
Yeah it's not that interesting, but given that both were drafted in 2014 and were seen as the same tier of prospect, maybe you can start that thread if you really want to. Saric's per-36 numbers (in his first 11 NBA games) of 13.4 points, 8.8 rebounds, 2.3 assists, 0.7 steals with 39%/41%/73% shooting compares well with Smart's Per-36 stats (who turns 23 in March and is in his 3rd season) of 12.7 points, 4.9 rebounds, 3.9 assists, 1.6 steals with 40%/33%/47% shooting.alldaboston, stuff is getting lost in translation here. Here's how the flow of this conversation went.I'm not denying the fact that he's had a good year so far. All I'm saying is, you can't just say all that's good about a player, when that same player has some serious flaws too.Saric is second in the class in scoring, second in rebounding, third in 3-point percentage, 16th in field-goal percentage and first in minutes. Collectively, he's been the 2nd best rookie so far this year. Bottom line end of story. Find me someone other than Embiid who has been better... you can't, because so far this rookie class has sucked outside of Joel Embiid.I'm not cherry picking stats. I'm saying he's flat out the 2nd best rookie so far this season. Check any ranking.Are you referring to Marcus Smart's second season in which he literally had the worst three point shooting in NBA history? No, Saric's first 11 games do not compare to that.He's averaging 10 points, 7 rebounds, 2 assists while shooting 41% from three.Saric has now been benched in favor of a journeyman that's been on the team for about 2 weeks. That's very encouraging.hes been the 2nd best rookie in the league behind Embiid.
If you ignore FG% sure.
ok but he's shooting 38% from the field overall. you can't deny that. that's almost as bad as what Marcus shot last year. you know, the "historically bad" shooting year.
if you can cherry-pick stats, i can cherry-pick stats
you're clearly cherry picking when you fail to recognize that he's shooting a horrible percentage from the field, but proudly say that he's shooting well from 3, when in reality over 70% of his field goal attempts aren't even 3 pointers -- meaning, he's shooting a horrible, horrible percentage everywhere else, and hence he has a horrible, horrible field goal percentage overall.
And despite Eddie's transparent efforts to troll, Saric getting "benched" isn't relevant until some rookie other than Saric starts 10 games this season. Saric was never expected to start this year in the first place... him leading all rookies in minutes and starts is a surprise. He still got plenty of minutes last night off the bench in their big win against the Wizards.
- Some troll points out that "Saric was benched... Doesn't Brown realize the "rookie", who turns 23 in April, is a tier 2 prospect and a ROTY candidate?" ... Clear and straight forward attempt to instigate.
- I point out that Saric is widely considered to be having the 2nd best rookie campaign this season behind Embiid. I point out some of his early season credentials. I point out that him "benched" is clearly a negative spin on a positive situation. Saric was always expected to come off the bench. That he's leading all rookies in minutes and games started is a surprise. That he put up solid numbers off the bench last night (3rd on the team in minutes and #1 on the team in field goal attempts last night) points to how irrelevant that "oh no saric has been benched" nonsense comment was.
- Someone points out that Saric's FG% isn't great (16th amoungst all rookies) and for some random reason decides to compare him to Marcus Smart... who isn't a rookie this year and wasn't a rookie last year.
- I reiterate that despite Saric's "flaws", he's having the 2nd best campaign (so far) out of all rookies. Highlight any rookie other than Saric and Embiid and you'll have a player who is playing even worse.
That's about as far as this conversation needs to go. It's not that interesting.
Though, if you'd like to start a different thread comparing Saric to Smart, it's potentially worthwhile as they were seen as being the same tier of prospects when both were drafted in 2014.
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ok. thanks for understanding my point, i guess. it's fine, we don't need to start yet another comparison thread.
I don't think that's something worth discussing here, though.
believe me, i'm good. a career comparison was never what i had intended in the first place. whatever.
Besides the RFA, the current team can offer a 5 year deal whereas other teams can only offer a 4 year deal. Teams also have the opportunity to work out an extension of their rookie contracts after the 3rd year in which case the rookie doesn't even hit their restricted free agency. That is what happens with "star" rookies (e.g. Anthony Davis). Wiggins will certainly get extended this offseason and Embiid will as well assuming he stays healthy. We'll be able to work out an extension with Smart this offseason. I'm guessing that we do but it is less certain since Smart isn't going to get a MAX extension. I can't recall a rookie rejecting a MAX extension offer (under the current CBA) but someone did because of the huge cap jumps. Monroe is the only player I recall accepting his 1 year minimum qualifying offer but the Pistons offer him somewhat less than MAX.None of those rookies are leaving unless the TWolves and Sixers want them to. Wiggins and Embiid will both probably sign long term extensions this offseason. The new CBA will probably make it even easier for teams to keep their players.Please do not disparage my home dingers.Celticsblog forum has become the LarBrd33 "I'm always right and lets all ballwash Joel Embiid" forum.I've been trying to get the mods to accept that re-branding for months and it's fallen on deaf ears.
Charles Barkley just compared Embiid/Simmons to Durant/Westbrook in terms of having two superstars. He says if they stay healthy, they can be transformational players.
10 years of six posts a day worth of condescending tripe...I'm surprised the philly board hasn't made you a mod already.
I really don't care what Barkley thinks.
What Barkley says is true, though. These two teams right now (Philly and the Timberwolves) have two of the most exciting young collections of talent in the league. 5-10 years from now we might be seeing these teams in the Finals against each other.
Then again, Embiid might be hurt again. So who knows.
I'd be surprised if both Wiggins and Towns stay long term in Minnesota.
Re: Philly, I have no idea. They are such an embarrassment to the NBA and their fans that I could see Ben Simmons wanting to bounce right after his rookie deal to head to one of the major target cities that has a winning team. I hope Embiid stays healthy and stays in Philly, they need something to go right. Okafor and Noel will both test the market, and I don't see either staying. Maybe Saric stays?
Is that true? I don't know much about the CBA.
Why wouldn't one of the bigs in Philly want to go elsewhere? I would think that Minnesota and Philly are not the first or second most popular teams for NBA stars.
Simmons in particular must have felt like his hands were tied with the LSU decision, and then couldn't have been too excited to get drafted by Philly. On a player's second deal, are the salary differences that much different that Simmons wouldn't think about going to LA (not even considering the difference in marketing opportunities)? He hired Lebron's agent Rich Paul, who has effectively worked shorter term contracts for his client.
With salaries going up across the league, wouldn't all teams have more money to spend in FA? I would think Simmons would be better off to test the market and listen to what teams want to pitch him.
http://www.nba.com/knicks/freeagency/faqs.html
After their rookie contracts expire, first-round picks become restricted free agents. So long as their original team extends a relatively small one-year "qualifying offer" contract (125% of the last year's salary under the rookie deal), they are allowed to match any larger contract by an opposing team. So if the Sixers offer Embiid the qualifying offer, he could meet with the Celtics, and Danny could sign him to the max; however, Philly retains the right to overrule us and resign him if they match that max offer.
Basically the only way to circumvent this system is if either the original team does NOT offer the qualifying offer, or if the player accepts the tiny 1-year deal, taking a big hit on salary and security for a year because they just really want to leave, or are betting on themselves getting a better deal with an extra year's experience under their belt. Greg Monroe jumped ship when he took the QO with Detroit, then bolted for Milwaukee the next year.
Hard to see Simmons or Embiid rejecting a huge deal because of the uncertainty of their health; but you never know, as the situation is Philly is indeed pretty toxic, there isn't much leadership on that club.
Offering Turner that much made no sense to me especially since they gave Crabbe a similar contract. Was some other team actually offering close to what the Blazers gave Turner? I can't see Ainge offering anywhere close to it.Evan Turner has been one of the worst players in the NBA this season. Not surprised people are already calling it arguably the worst deal of last summer.
He should write Brad a stipend for the rest of his life. Those two seasons here have set him for life.
it's a bad stat, but i read something that he had the worst +/- of anyone in the NBA a few days ago? [dang]. i'd love to have him back - just not at his insane price.
Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games. That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time. They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space. The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings. So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team. Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking. Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick. Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.
Philly3 game win streak at home. Embiid reminds me of Shaq when he was a rookie... just on a minutes restriction.. Embiid probably has more skill than rookie Shaq.
Philly3 game win streak at home. Embiid reminds me of Shaq when he was a rookie... just on a minutes restriction.
No. Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season. Unquestionably a massive disappointment. He's showing why he was drafted, though. Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured. Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured. And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games. That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time. They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space. The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings. So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team. Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking. Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick. Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.
That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?
embiid is killing it on the regPhilly3 game win streak at home. Embiid reminds me of Shaq when he was a rookie... just on a minutes restriction.. Embiid probably has more skill than rookie Shaq.
No. Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season. Unquestionably a massive disappointment. He's showing why he was drafted, though. Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured. Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured. And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games. That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time. They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space. The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings. So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team. Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking. Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick. Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.
That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?
Yeah I'm giving it time. I'm still holding out hope that Smart will make a leap. If it doesn't happen this year, though... it's unlikely to ever happen. 3rd year is huge. Just like if Stauskas didn't start looking like the second coming of JJ Reddick, he'd probably be out of the league after this season.No. Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season. Unquestionably a massive disappointment. He's showing why he was drafted, though. Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured. Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured. And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games. That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time. They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space. The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings. So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team. Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking. Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick. Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.
That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?
Uh doesn't your rationale right there prove that yes you should give it some time? Either way, whatever.
Yeah I'm giving it time. I'm still holding out hope that Smart will make a leap. If it doesn't happen this year, though... it's unlikely to ever happen. 3rd year is huge. Just like if Stauskas didn't start looking like the second coming of JJ Reddick, he'd probably be out of the league after this season.No. Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season. Unquestionably a massive disappointment. He's showing why he was drafted, though. Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured. Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured. And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games. That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time. They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space. The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings. So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team. Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking. Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick. Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.
That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?
Uh doesn't your rationale right there prove that yes you should give it some time? Either way, whatever.
They obviously should trade them for positions of need assuming they can get some decent return for them. If all they are getting is garbage offers, they shouldn't make a trade for the sake of making a trade. And my point all Summer when people were telling me they "HAD" to trade the bigs (they didn't ... and the fact that nothing happened this Summer is proof) is that they shouldn't make any trade to fill needs until they know what those needs are. You never know who might step up and show that they deserve minutes. And just 10 games into the season, you're seeing proof of that. If Nik Stauskas is legit (and despite red hot shooting all season, it's too soon to say if he's legit), they don't need to target a sharp shooter... since Stauskas fills that role. If Sergio Rodriguez continues his strong play, perhaps he fills their need for a back-up PG behind healthy Ben Simmons... so maybe targetting a back-up point guard wouldn't be wise (especially when you realize Bayless hasn't played a game yet). They had to see how guys like Robert Covington played before targetting a SF. They had to see what Dario Saric could do (he looks really good) and what positions he could play before addressing their needs. They also needed to see how the bigs played together - which we still haven't seen (Okafor and Embiid have shared the court for like 3 minutes and Noel hasn't made his season debut yet). Lastly, Embiid's health will remain a concern until at least later this year... trading one of the bigs before Embiid proves he can play would probably put a pox on Embiid's health. That was my point this Summer. #1 - No, they didn't "NEED" to do anything until later. #2 - It made by far the most sense to wait until closer to the deadline before pulling the trigger on something, because there were so many questions left to answer about what they were working with. I think it's more than likely we'll see at least one of Noel or Okafor (perhaps both) traded this season, but it will be closer to the deadline.Yeah I'm giving it time. I'm still holding out hope that Smart will make a leap. If it doesn't happen this year, though... it's unlikely to ever happen. 3rd year is huge. Just like if Stauskas didn't start looking like the second coming of JJ Reddick, he'd probably be out of the league after this season.No. Stauskas has been a massive disappointment up until this season. Unquestionably a massive disappointment. He's showing why he was drafted, though. Much like Julius Randle is showing why he was drafted after spending a year injured. Much like Embiid is showing why he was drafted after spending two years injured. And hopefully, Marcus Smart will someday show why he was taken 6th as well despite two seasons of disappointing play.Nik Stauskas has looked like the second coming of JJ Reddick the past 6 games. That Kings/Philly trade has the potential to be one of the worst of all time. They gave away Stauskas and picks for nothing just to free up cap space. The big issue is if the Kings do indeed move Cousins and Philly makes a quick turnaround... Philly has swap rights with the Kings. So even if Philly starts going on a run once they minutes restrictions on Embiid/Okafor lifts, Ben Simmons comes back and other injured contributors like Bayless get healthy, they will be able to swap picks with a post-Cousins Kings team. Kinda takes the incentive out of moving Cousins for draft picks/prospects when you have a little fear that you can't benefit from tanking. Granted, Philly will more than likely still finish towards the bottom this year, but because of that swap rights stuff, it's impossible for the Kings to get the #1 pick. Presumably Philly will finish with a worst record than the Kings this year and it will not be a big deal... it's potentially a bigger problem next year if Philly is at full health and can swap picks with the Kings.
That goes to show that you should be patient with some players before you deem them disappointments, am I right?
Uh doesn't your rationale right there prove that yes you should give it some time? Either way, whatever.
Good, and you're right, Philly does look much better. Personally I'm rooting for them whenever Ben Simmons gets back because that spells good news for that Nets pick.
I do wonder though what their plan is with Okafor/Noel. I'm not here to attack you or anything, but since you like what Philly is doing, what do you think they should do with their centers?
At what point do the Mavs shut down Dirk and buyout Bogut?what would you trade for dirk.
It's only 9 games, but seriously watching Embiid as a rookie reminds me of being a kid watching Shaq on the Magic. I collected all of Shaq's rookie cards. It was exciting seeing a new NBA phenom big man appear in the league.
Embiid's (So far) Per-36: 29.4 points, 13.68 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 3.6 blocks, with 49%/50%/78% shooting.
Shaquille's Rookie Per-36: 22.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 3.4 blocks, with 56%/0%/56% shooting.
It's really incredible considering Embiid has missed 2 years of basketball. It's going to be really interesting to see if he can stay healthy and what kind of production he'll have if he lasts long enough to have his minutes restriction lifted. What I've seen so far is unreal. Watching Anthony Davis as a rookie was amazing. Karl Towns was better. Embiid, in what little he's played, has been on that level at the very least.
Shaq, Chuck and Kenny referred to Embiid as a taller Chris Webber. What do you think of that comp?
I already admitted I post as JulErvg06 on SixersBlog.com and spend all my time whining about how good D'Angelo Russell is.It's only 9 games, but seriously watching Embiid as a rookie reminds me of being a kid watching Shaq on the Magic. I collected all of Shaq's rookie cards. It was exciting seeing a new NBA phenom big man appear in the league.
Embiid's (So far) Per-36: 29.4 points, 13.68 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 3.6 blocks, with 49%/50%/78% shooting.
Shaquille's Rookie Per-36: 22.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 3.4 blocks, with 56%/0%/56% shooting.
It's really incredible considering Embiid has missed 2 years of basketball. It's going to be really interesting to see if he can stay healthy and what kind of production he'll have if he lasts long enough to have his minutes restriction lifted. What I've seen so far is unreal. Watching Anthony Davis as a rookie was amazing. Karl Towns was better. Embiid, in what little he's played, has been on that level at the very least.
Shaq, Chuck and Kenny referred to Embiid as a taller Chris Webber. What do you think of that comp?
Change your username to Jul1us 3rv1ng please. It makes sense for the content of your posts B-)
I wish Ainge had managed to get Butler. I wonder how much the Bulls asked for before it just became effectively a way of saying they're not trading him.
and this years brooklyn pickI wish Ainge had managed to get Butler. I wonder how much the Bulls asked for before it just became effectively a way of saying they're not trading him.
The rumor was Crowder, #3, #16, and another starter-level player.
Did anyone else see that ridiculous controversial ending to the Raptors/Kings game last night? The Raptors got absolutely screwed. Even if time did run out after Boogie touched the ball with the clock malfunction, Ross got screwed over, because he played the clock as it was. He would've put the shot up sooner had the correct time been up, but the refs didn't even replay it. Another major failure in the refs/NBA's part, and this is like the fifth wrong call in these types of situations that the Raptors have had to suffer over the last several years.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/11/how-raptors-responded-controversial-finish-game-against-kings
I already admitted I post as JulErvg06 on SixersBlog.com and spend all my time whining about how good D'Angelo Russell is.It's only 9 games, but seriously watching Embiid as a rookie reminds me of being a kid watching Shaq on the Magic. I collected all of Shaq's rookie cards. It was exciting seeing a new NBA phenom big man appear in the league.
Embiid's (So far) Per-36: 29.4 points, 13.68 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 3.6 blocks, with 49%/50%/78% shooting.
Shaquille's Rookie Per-36: 22.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 3.4 blocks, with 56%/0%/56% shooting.
It's really incredible considering Embiid has missed 2 years of basketball. It's going to be really interesting to see if he can stay healthy and what kind of production he'll have if he lasts long enough to have his minutes restriction lifted. What I've seen so far is unreal. Watching Anthony Davis as a rookie was amazing. Karl Towns was better. Embiid, in what little he's played, has been on that level at the very least.
Shaq, Chuck and Kenny referred to Embiid as a taller Chris Webber. What do you think of that comp?
Change your username to Jul1us 3rv1ng please. It makes sense for the content of your posts B-)
Honestly though... Aside from Golden State becoming everyone's daddy for the next 5-10 years, Joel Embiid is by far the story of the season so far. A few months ago people were telling me they wouldn't trade RJ Hunter for him and scoffing when I suggested he was a Rookie of the year candidate. Fans here claimed he'd go late 1st in a 2014 re-draft. 9 games later, look where we are. It's been fun to watch. For the sake of the league, hopefully he stays healthy.
Did anyone else see that ridiculous controversial ending to the Raptors/Kings game last night? The Raptors got absolutely screwed. Even if time did run out after Boogie touched the ball with the clock malfunction, Ross got screwed over, because he played the clock as it was. He would've put the shot up sooner had the correct time been up, but the refs didn't even replay it. Another major failure in the refs/NBA's part, and this is like the fifth wrong call in these types of situations that the Raptors have had to suffer over the last several years.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/11/how-raptors-responded-controversial-finish-game-against-kings
So do you think they should have counted the shot? Or just replayed the last 2.4?
Did anyone else see that ridiculous controversial ending to the Raptors/Kings game last night? The Raptors got absolutely screwed. Even if time did run out after Boogie touched the ball with the clock malfunction, Ross got screwed over, because he played the clock as it was. He would've put the shot up sooner had the correct time been up, but the refs didn't even replay it. Another major failure in the refs/NBA's part, and this is like the fifth wrong call in these types of situations that the Raptors have had to suffer over the last several years.
http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/11/how-raptors-responded-controversial-finish-game-against-kings
So do you think they should have counted the shot? Or just replayed the last 2.4?
I think at the very least they have to replay the last 2.4. It was the Kings time keeper who screwed up, and they apparently said it was .1 seconds too late, which is an incredibly small margin for error. It's not fair to Ross and the Raptors to have them under a false impression of how much time they have to work with then penalize them for not making it in time after the fact.
That's clearly a situation where you replay the final possession. The NBA will be forced to admit their mistake and apologize to the Raptors again, but at some point enough has to be enough for them. I think they legitimately got screwed on three of these types of calls made year that the NBA admitted, too.
I don't want to call anyone out specifically because it's rude, but one poster made that comment. Another said the #23 pick was "fair value for Embiid". Another said "Embiid at this point isn't worth the #3 pick in any way, shape or form." Another poster said "There is absolutely no chance that Embiid will be a rookie of the year candidate." after I referred to him as a wildcard R.O.Y candidate. If Embiid stays healthy and keeps this up, a lot of folks here will look silly.I already admitted I post as JulErvg06 on SixersBlog.com and spend all my time whining about how good D'Angelo Russell is.It's only 9 games, but seriously watching Embiid as a rookie reminds me of being a kid watching Shaq on the Magic. I collected all of Shaq's rookie cards. It was exciting seeing a new NBA phenom big man appear in the league.
Embiid's (So far) Per-36: 29.4 points, 13.68 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 3.6 blocks, with 49%/50%/78% shooting.
Shaquille's Rookie Per-36: 22.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 3.4 blocks, with 56%/0%/56% shooting.
It's really incredible considering Embiid has missed 2 years of basketball. It's going to be really interesting to see if he can stay healthy and what kind of production he'll have if he lasts long enough to have his minutes restriction lifted. What I've seen so far is unreal. Watching Anthony Davis as a rookie was amazing. Karl Towns was better. Embiid, in what little he's played, has been on that level at the very least.
Shaq, Chuck and Kenny referred to Embiid as a taller Chris Webber. What do you think of that comp?
Change your username to Jul1us 3rv1ng please. It makes sense for the content of your posts B-)
Honestly though... Aside from Golden State becoming everyone's daddy for the next 5-10 years, Joel Embiid is by far the story of the season so far. A few months ago people were telling me they wouldn't trade RJ Hunter for him and scoffing when I suggested he was a Rookie of the year candidate. Fans here claimed he'd go late 1st in a 2014 re-draft. 9 games later, look where we are. It's been fun to watch. For the sake of the league, hopefully he stays healthy.
Lol, do you have any proof of this comment? It seems like you are baiting to me. Love Embiid though. He's a monster and could be better than any big man in the game. Doesn't remind me of Shaq at all though. He reminds me of Hakeem.
The NBA rulebook is clear on the procedure for what to do when the clock starts late. The ruling will be based on the actual time and not what the clock shows.
I don't want to call anyone out specifically because it's rude, but one poster made that comment. Another said the #23 pick was "fair value for Embiid". Another said "Embiid at this point isn't worth the #3 pick in any way, shape or form." Another poster said "There is absolutely no chance that Embiid will be a rookie of the year candidate." after I referred to him as a wildcard R.O.Y candidate. If Embiid stays healthy and keeps this up, a lot of folks here will look silly.I already admitted I post as JulErvg06 on SixersBlog.com and spend all my time whining about how good D'Angelo Russell is.It's only 9 games, but seriously watching Embiid as a rookie reminds me of being a kid watching Shaq on the Magic. I collected all of Shaq's rookie cards. It was exciting seeing a new NBA phenom big man appear in the league.
Embiid's (So far) Per-36: 29.4 points, 13.68 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 3.6 blocks, with 49%/50%/78% shooting.
Shaquille's Rookie Per-36: 22.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 3.4 blocks, with 56%/0%/56% shooting.
It's really incredible considering Embiid has missed 2 years of basketball. It's going to be really interesting to see if he can stay healthy and what kind of production he'll have if he lasts long enough to have his minutes restriction lifted. What I've seen so far is unreal. Watching Anthony Davis as a rookie was amazing. Karl Towns was better. Embiid, in what little he's played, has been on that level at the very least.
Shaq, Chuck and Kenny referred to Embiid as a taller Chris Webber. What do you think of that comp?
Change your username to Jul1us 3rv1ng please. It makes sense for the content of your posts B-)
Honestly though... Aside from Golden State becoming everyone's daddy for the next 5-10 years, Joel Embiid is by far the story of the season so far. A few months ago people were telling me they wouldn't trade RJ Hunter for him and scoffing when I suggested he was a Rookie of the year candidate. Fans here claimed he'd go late 1st in a 2014 re-draft. 9 games later, look where we are. It's been fun to watch. For the sake of the league, hopefully he stays healthy.
Lol, do you have any proof of this comment? It seems like you are baiting to me. Love Embiid though. He's a monster and could be better than any big man in the game. Doesn't remind me of Shaq at all though. He reminds me of Hakeem.
The NBA rulebook is clear on the procedure for what to do when the clock starts late. The ruling will be based on the actual time and not what the clock shows.
But how is that fair for the Raptors? If the clock shows a second more than the true time, then it influences the decision-making of the player on when to shoot, as happened in this situation. Ross would've put it up sooner if the true time would've been up there. But since it wasn't up there, he was under a false impression, which ended up screwing him with regard to the actual time.
It's clear that the fairest and most proper thing to do should've been to replay the possession, regardless of the rule book. I'd be throwing a major fit about that if I'm the Rsptors, because that could ultimately cost them playoff positioning in a tighter Eastern conference.
The sixers have won 4 in a row at home. Good news for the brooklyn pick. Embiid continues to dominate. Somewhere Hinkie is smiling down from a Starbucks in heaven.
its pretty awesome. I just hope it lasts for the kid. Oden looked promising in the games he played, but he was nowhere near this incredible. Can't help but root for the kid. They are going to be a scary team for years to come.The sixers have won 4 in a row at home. Good news for the brooklyn pick. Embiid continues to dominate. Somewhere Hinkie is smiling down from a Starbucks in heaven.
Does anyone still doubt Embiid's talent? He's already dominating on a minute restriction no less and leading this Sixers team to a win streak without Simmons, all in his first month in the league after 2 years of no basketball.
its pretty awesome. I just hope it lasts for the kid. Oden looked promising in the games he played, but he was nowhere near this incredible. Can't help but root for the kid. They are going to be a scary team for years to come.The sixers have won 4 in a row at home. Good news for the brooklyn pick. Embiid continues to dominate. Somewhere Hinkie is smiling down from a Starbucks in heaven.
Does anyone still doubt Embiid's talent? He's already dominating on a minute restriction no less and leading this Sixers team to a win streak without Simmons, all in his first month in the league after 2 years of no basketball.
The benefits of being injured for a long time and not being able to do much besides practicing shooting. Not only did he turn himself into a good 3pt shooter but he's also shooting nearly 80% FT.its pretty awesome. I just hope it lasts for the kid. Oden looked promising in the games he played, but he was nowhere near this incredible. Can't help but root for the kid. They are going to be a scary team for years to come.The sixers have won 4 in a row at home. Good news for the brooklyn pick. Embiid continues to dominate. Somewhere Hinkie is smiling down from a Starbucks in heaven.
Does anyone still doubt Embiid's talent? He's already dominating on a minute restriction no less and leading this Sixers team to a win streak without Simmons, all in his first month in the league after 2 years of no basketball.
From ESPN's Twitter:
"Joel "Splash" Embiid?
Through the first 10 games of his career, he has made more 3s (11) than Stephen Curry did in his first 10 games (9)."
Oden looked promising, but he makes pre-injury Oden look like a stiff in comparison.
I don't want to call anyone out specifically because it's rude, but one poster made that comment. Another said the #23 pick was "fair value for Embiid". Another said "Embiid at this point isn't worth the #3 pick in any way, shape or form." Another poster said "There is absolutely no chance that Embiid will be a rookie of the year candidate." after I referred to him as a wildcard R.O.Y candidate. If Embiid stays healthy and keeps this up, a lot of folks here will look silly.I already admitted I post as JulErvg06 on SixersBlog.com and spend all my time whining about how good D'Angelo Russell is.It's only 9 games, but seriously watching Embiid as a rookie reminds me of being a kid watching Shaq on the Magic. I collected all of Shaq's rookie cards. It was exciting seeing a new NBA phenom big man appear in the league.
Embiid's (So far) Per-36: 29.4 points, 13.68 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 3.6 blocks, with 49%/50%/78% shooting.
Shaquille's Rookie Per-36: 22.2 points, 13.2 rebounds, 1.8 assists, 3.4 blocks, with 56%/0%/56% shooting.
It's really incredible considering Embiid has missed 2 years of basketball. It's going to be really interesting to see if he can stay healthy and what kind of production he'll have if he lasts long enough to have his minutes restriction lifted. What I've seen so far is unreal. Watching Anthony Davis as a rookie was amazing. Karl Towns was better. Embiid, in what little he's played, has been on that level at the very least.
Shaq, Chuck and Kenny referred to Embiid as a taller Chris Webber. What do you think of that comp?
Change your username to Jul1us 3rv1ng please. It makes sense for the content of your posts B-)
Honestly though... Aside from Golden State becoming everyone's daddy for the next 5-10 years, Joel Embiid is by far the story of the season so far. A few months ago people were telling me they wouldn't trade RJ Hunter for him and scoffing when I suggested he was a Rookie of the year candidate. Fans here claimed he'd go late 1st in a 2014 re-draft. 9 games later, look where we are. It's been fun to watch. For the sake of the league, hopefully he stays healthy.
Lol, do you have any proof of this comment? It seems like you are baiting to me. Love Embiid though. He's a monster and could be better than any big man in the game. Doesn't remind me of Shaq at all though. He reminds me of Hakeem.
At this rate, they could catch up to the Celtics by next season. Simmons, Embiid, Saric, and whoever they trade their centers for.plus two high picks in a loaded draft filled with positions they need (PG and SF)
supposedly Simmons is spending all of his time injured taking shots from a chair working on his form. I wonder if these injuries will have some small hidden benefits.The benefits of being injured for a long time and not being able to do much besides practicing shooting. Not only did he turn himself into a good 3pt shooter but he's also shooting nearly 80% FT.its pretty awesome. I just hope it lasts for the kid. Oden looked promising in the games he played, but he was nowhere near this incredible. Can't help but root for the kid. They are going to be a scary team for years to come.The sixers have won 4 in a row at home. Good news for the brooklyn pick. Embiid continues to dominate. Somewhere Hinkie is smiling down from a Starbucks in heaven.
Does anyone still doubt Embiid's talent? He's already dominating on a minute restriction no less and leading this Sixers team to a win streak without Simmons, all in his first month in the league after 2 years of no basketball.
From ESPN's Twitter:
"Joel "Splash" Embiid?
Through the first 10 games of his career, he has made more 3s (11) than Stephen Curry did in his first 10 games (9)."
Oden looked promising, but he makes pre-injury Oden look like a stiff in comparison.
At this rate, they could catch up to the Celtics by next season. Simmons, Embiid, Saric, and whoever they trade their centers for.More like catch the Bucks.
They had Embiid shooting from a chair too. Simmons has a lot of talent but I'm not sold on his drive to be great. It's ridiculous that he hasn't develop a jump shot before now. His season at LSU was a wasted opportunity for development. He should have been taking 5 jumpers a game instead of avoiding them like the plague. That being said, his passing and court vision are simply superb. He'll be intriguing even if he's just a very large Rondo.supposedly Simmons is spending all of his time injured taking shots from a chair working on his form. I wonder if these injuries will have some small hidden benefits.The benefits of being injured for a long time and not being able to do much besides practicing shooting. Not only did he turn himself into a good 3pt shooter but he's also shooting nearly 80% FT.its pretty awesome. I just hope it lasts for the kid. Oden looked promising in the games he played, but he was nowhere near this incredible. Can't help but root for the kid. They are going to be a scary team for years to come.The sixers have won 4 in a row at home. Good news for the brooklyn pick. Embiid continues to dominate. Somewhere Hinkie is smiling down from a Starbucks in heaven.
Does anyone still doubt Embiid's talent? He's already dominating on a minute restriction no less and leading this Sixers team to a win streak without Simmons, all in his first month in the league after 2 years of no basketball.
From ESPN's Twitter:
"Joel "Splash" Embiid?
Through the first 10 games of his career, he has made more 3s (11) than Stephen Curry did in his first 10 games (9)."
Oden looked promising, but he makes pre-injury Oden look like a stiff in comparison.
At this rate, they could catch up to the Celtics by next season. Simmons, Embiid, Saric, and whoever they trade their centers for.plus two high picks in a loaded draft filled with positions they need (PG and SF)
Pelicans is completely embarrassing the Hawks right now. Them winning is both good for our BKN pick and current standings.Once they get Tyreke back, they're going to be way, way better than Brooklyn.
And it looks like they skipped the rebounding from a chair that the Nets used on Lopez in his injured seasons ;)They had Embiid shooting from a chair too. Simmons has a lot of talent but I'm not sold on his drive to be great. It's ridiculous that he hasn't develop a jump shot before now. His season at LSU was a wasted opportunity for development. He should have been taking 5 jumpers a game instead of avoiding them like the plague. That being said, his passing and court vision are simply superb. He'll be intriguing even if he's just a very large Rondo.supposedly Simmons is spending all of his time injured taking shots from a chair working on his form. I wonder if these injuries will have some small hidden benefits.The benefits of being injured for a long time and not being able to do much besides practicing shooting. Not only did he turn himself into a good 3pt shooter but he's also shooting nearly 80% FT.its pretty awesome. I just hope it lasts for the kid. Oden looked promising in the games he played, but he was nowhere near this incredible. Can't help but root for the kid. They are going to be a scary team for years to come.The sixers have won 4 in a row at home. Good news for the brooklyn pick. Embiid continues to dominate. Somewhere Hinkie is smiling down from a Starbucks in heaven.
Does anyone still doubt Embiid's talent? He's already dominating on a minute restriction no less and leading this Sixers team to a win streak without Simmons, all in his first month in the league after 2 years of no basketball.
From ESPN's Twitter:
"Joel "Splash" Embiid?
Through the first 10 games of his career, he has made more 3s (11) than Stephen Curry did in his first 10 games (9)."
Oden looked promising, but he makes pre-injury Oden look like a stiff in comparison.
Jamal Murray (the guy I wanted at the 3rd pick, although I'm happy with Jaylen too now), has scored 15 points in the second quarter and has singlehandedly pulled Denver in front of Chicago after they were down by 12 to end the first quarter.
Jamal Murray (the guy I wanted at the 3rd pick, although I'm happy with Jaylen too now), has scored 15 points in the second quarter and has singlehandedly pulled Denver in front of Chicago after they were down by 12 to end the first quarter.He's the guy I wanted too, but that was just based on his shooting and age. I didn't care one way or the other, because I trust Danny Ainge and I don't follow College basketball enough to have a real opinion on prospects before they enter the league.
Meanwhile, just like my bubble tea guy predicted, Buddy Hield looks like crap despite the fact he's 23 years old and Murray is only 19.Jamal Murray (the guy I wanted at the 3rd pick, although I'm happy with Jaylen too now), has scored 15 points in the second quarter and has singlehandedly pulled Denver in front of Chicago after they were down by 12 to end the first quarter.He's the guy I wanted too, but that was just based on his shooting and age. I didn't care one way or the other, because I trust Danny Ainge and I don't follow College basketball enough to have a real opinion on prospects before they enter the league.
Three of his last 5 games have been pretty good. Looks like we finally have a 2016 draftee making a name for himself. It's been uncharacteristically awful so far. Nobody was doing anything. Almost impressive in how pathetic the class had been early on.
Ugh, the lakers commentary crew is absolutely disgusting. They get excited for the SIMPLEST of things lol. Ingram tips the ball out of Westbrooks hands with 15 left on the shot clock and they're SO excited about how they're now "hustling and playing hard defense" and all that happy stuff.
Of course, I can't blame them. After years of absolute garbage play, they finally are seeing some resemblance of an NBA team. I want to like their young core, but their fans and their commentators are so annoying lol
Ugh, the lakers commentary crew is absolutely disgusting. They get excited for the SIMPLEST of things lol. Ingram tips the ball out of Westbrooks hands with 15 left on the shot clock and they're SO excited about how they're now "hustling and playing hard defense" and all that happy stuff.
Of course, I can't blame them. After years of absolute garbage play, they finally are seeing some resemblance of an NBA team. I want to like their young core, but their fans and their commentators are so annoying lol
I actually like their commentary. The worst ones imo are the Cavs and Spurs commentary.
Ugh, the lakers commentary crew is absolutely disgusting. They get excited for the SIMPLEST of things lol. Ingram tips the ball out of Westbrooks hands with 15 left on the shot clock and they're SO excited about how they're now "hustling and playing hard defense" and all that happy stuff.
Of course, I can't blame them. After years of absolute garbage play, they finally are seeing some resemblance of an NBA team. I want to like their young core, but their fans and their commentators are so annoying lol
I actually like their commentary. The worst ones imo are the Cavs and Spurs commentary.
Me too. I like Stu Lantz.
I think the Lakers are one of the better commentary teams in the league.
Agreed on Cavs and Spurs being annoying. Rockets too. Dislike OKC. Memphis. Miami. There are so many bad ones.
Ugh, the lakers commentary crew is absolutely disgusting. They get excited for the SIMPLEST of things lol. Ingram tips the ball out of Westbrooks hands with 15 left on the shot clock and they're SO excited about how they're now "hustling and playing hard defense" and all that happy stuff.
Of course, I can't blame them. After years of absolute garbage play, they finally are seeing some resemblance of an NBA team. I want to like their young core, but their fans and their commentators are so annoying lol
I actually like their commentary. The worst ones imo are the Cavs and Spurs commentary.
Me too. I like Stu Lantz.
I think the Lakers are one of the better commentary teams in the league.
Agreed on Cavs and Spurs being annoying. Rockets too. Dislike OKC. Memphis. Miami. There are so many bad ones.
New Orleans is a really good, objective, and knowledgeable team.
Atlanta is another one that is just terrible and biased.
Ugh, the lakers commentary crew is absolutely disgusting. They get excited for the SIMPLEST of things lol. Ingram tips the ball out of Westbrooks hands with 15 left on the shot clock and they're SO excited about how they're now "hustling and playing hard defense" and all that happy stuff.
Of course, I can't blame them. After years of absolute garbage play, they finally are seeing some resemblance of an NBA team. I want to like their young core, but their fans and their commentators are so annoying lol
I actually like their commentary. The worst ones imo are the Cavs and Spurs commentary.
Me too. I like Stu Lantz.
I think the Lakers are one of the better commentary teams in the league.
Agreed on Cavs and Spurs being annoying. Rockets too. Dislike OKC. Memphis. Miami. There are so many bad ones.
New Orleans is a really good, objective, and knowledgeable team.
Atlanta is another one that is just terrible and biased.
New Orleans team is excellent. Nets team is really good. The Wolves broadcast is great. The Cavs are probably the worst I've heard.
Re: commentary, I also really dislike the Hawks and Cavs crews. Those guys are just awful. I like the Nets crew, and the Detroit guys the other day were good too.
Jamal Murray with another great game. We finally have an early standout prospect from this dud of a draft class.
Well Murray has shot the ball extremely well the past few games. Typically top drafted rookies play for bad teams. Hence why they were drafted so high... We were off to a pretty shocking start to this season... none of the 2016 draftees were doing crap. The #3 pick played 4 minutes tonight, for instance. It was looking pathetic. Looks like Murray might be the first 2016 draftee to start stepping up.Jamal Murray with another great game. We finally have an early standout prospect from this dud of a draft class.
And the team down 23 points. How about winning actual games? Utah isn't exactly title contenders.
Does anyone feel like they might have undervalued Dwight Howard in free agency? His early season play in Atlanta deserves more credit than he's probably going to get. 23 points and 20 rebounds tonight.
Does anyone feel like they might have undervalued Dwight Howard in free agency? His early season play in Atlanta deserves more credit than he's probably going to get. 23 points and 20 rebounds tonight.
Does anyone feel like they might have undervalued Dwight Howard in free agency? His early season play in Atlanta deserves more credit than he's probably going to get. 23 points and 20 rebounds tonight.
Does anyone feel like they might have undervalued Dwight Howard in free agency? His early season play in Atlanta deserves more credit than he's probably going to get. 23 points and 20 rebounds tonight.
I've always been a big fan. I would've been happy with him had we missed on Al, but I'd much, much rather have Al.
TPDoes anyone feel like they might have undervalued Dwight Howard in free agency? His early season play in Atlanta deserves more credit than he's probably going to get. 23 points and 20 rebounds tonight.
I've always been a big fan. I would've been happy with him had we missed on Al, but I'd much, much rather have Al.
Golden State scored 80 points in the first half. Did a double take on that box score.The Cavs scored 81 points in their 1st half.
Jamal Murray with another great game. We finally have an early standout prospect from this dud of a draft class.
Well Murray has shot the ball extremely well the past few games. Typically top drafted rookies play for bad teams. Hence why they were drafted so high... We were off to a pretty shocking start to this season... none of the 2016 draftees were doing crap. The #3 pick played 4 minutes tonight, for instance. It was looking pathetic. Looks like Murray might be the first 2016 draftee to start stepping up.Jamal Murray with another great game. We finally have an early standout prospect from this dud of a draft class.
And the team down 23 points. How about winning actual games? Utah isn't exactly title contenders.
Does anyone feel like they might have undervalued Dwight Howard in free agency? His early season play in Atlanta deserves more credit than he's probably going to get. 23 points and 20 rebounds tonight.
Does anyone feel like they might have undervalued Dwight Howard in free agency? His early season play in Atlanta deserves more credit than he's probably going to get. 23 points and 20 rebounds tonight.
He's def. undervalued. I prefer Horford, but Dwight is still a good player.
I wonder if teams are reticent to pay a guy (not named Shaq) a ton of $ that they cannot rely upon at the charity stripe in crunch situations.
Miami Heat proving that sometimes the tank chooses you.Lol Tp. It was interesting that some people thought the Heat would actually be kind of good this year. Dwayawayane Wade will look pretty vindicated if the Bulls continue their strong play and the Heat bottom out.
I'm not even specifically talking about Jaylen. Boston's a strong team. Playing our #3 pick 4 minutes tonight was something I pretty much anticipated. He was one of the younger players in the draft. He looked very raw before entering the league. He was a project that most expected to see go 8th in the draft. He's going to take time developing. Our team is in a unique situation in that we landed a high pick despite being a playoff team. Most teams with top picks have plenty of minutes to feed to their rookies... our team is concerned with making the playoffs. I still wouldnt' be shocked to see Jaylen spend time in D-league.Well Murray has shot the ball extremely well the past few games. Typically top drafted rookies play for bad teams. Hence why they were drafted so high... We were off to a pretty shocking start to this season... none of the 2016 draftees were doing crap. The #3 pick played 4 minutes tonight, for instance. It was looking pathetic. Looks like Murray might be the first 2016 draftee to start stepping up.Jamal Murray with another great game. We finally have an early standout prospect from this dud of a draft class.
And the team down 23 points. How about winning actual games? Utah isn't exactly title contenders.
All of our rookies sans KO and Smart got the same treatment. Last year, it was Rozier. It's hard to have consistent playing minutes for rookies on this team. I doubt Brad would play Murray more minutes here if he was drafted by the team. Defense and versatility is the primary requirements in order to play for Brad.
If Jaylen is playing for these lottery teams, he would have the green light to be aggressive and average 5x the numbers he have here. In this team, he needs to be more aware of the flow of both offense and defense.
Does anyone feel like they might have undervalued Dwight Howard in free agency? His early season play in Atlanta deserves more credit than he's probably going to get. 23 points and 20 rebounds tonight.
I am happy with Horford , but if he hadn't sign I wanted us to go after Howard .Does anyone feel like they might have undervalued Dwight Howard in free agency? His early season play in Atlanta deserves more credit than he's probably going to get. 23 points and 20 rebounds tonight.
Howard is fine when healthy. The concern was always about the value towards the back end of a longer deal.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/11/24/rumor-tom-thibodeau-expected-to-trade-young-timberwolves-player-for-established-veteran/During the Pelicans game, it was mentioned that the TWolves were 3rd in scoring in the 1st half but dead last in the 2nd half. I'd thought their main issue was defense but it may actually be clutch offense. They've lost all 6 games they've played that were decided by single digits.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/11/24/rumor-tom-thibodeau-expected-to-trade-young-timberwolves-player-for-established-veteran/During the Pelicans game, it was mentioned that the TWolves were 3rd in scoring in the 1st half but dead last in the 2nd half. I'd thought their main issue was defense but it may actually be clutch offense. They've lost all 6 games they've played that were decided by single digits.
If they actually move one of their young players, LaVine would seem the most likely choice.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/11/24/rumor-tom-thibodeau-expected-to-trade-young-timberwolves-player-for-established-veteran/During the Pelicans game, it was mentioned that the TWolves were 3rd in scoring in the 1st half but dead last in the 2nd half. I'd thought their main issue was defense but it may actually be clutch offense. They've lost all 6 games they've played that were decided by single digits.
If they actually move one of their young players, LaVine would seem the most likely choice.
They lost some historic amount of games by less than 5 in KLove's last year aswell I vaguely remember..
I'm not even specifically talking about Jaylen. Boston's a strong team. Playing our #3 pick 4 minutes tonight was something I pretty much anticipated. He was one of the younger players in the draft. He looked very raw before entering the league. He was a project that most expected to see go 8th in the draft. He's going to take time developing. Our team is in a unique situation in that we landed a high pick despite being a playoff team. Most teams with top picks have plenty of minutes to feed to their rookies... our team is concerned with making the playoffs. I still wouldnt' be shocked to see Jaylen spend time in D-league.Well Murray has shot the ball extremely well the past few games. Typically top drafted rookies play for bad teams. Hence why they were drafted so high... We were off to a pretty shocking start to this season... none of the 2016 draftees were doing crap. The #3 pick played 4 minutes tonight, for instance. It was looking pathetic. Looks like Murray might be the first 2016 draftee to start stepping up.Jamal Murray with another great game. We finally have an early standout prospect from this dud of a draft class.
And the team down 23 points. How about winning actual games? Utah isn't exactly title contenders.
All of our rookies sans KO and Smart got the same treatment. Last year, it was Rozier. It's hard to have consistent playing minutes for rookies on this team. I doubt Brad would play Murray more minutes here if he was drafted by the team. Defense and versatility is the primary requirements in order to play for Brad.
If Jaylen is playing for these lottery teams, he would have the green light to be aggressive and average 5x the numbers he have here. In this team, he needs to be more aware of the flow of both offense and defense.
I'm not pinpointing Jaylen. I'm talking about the entire draft. In previous years, there's always a handful of rookies who get 30+ minutes out of the gate. This year, there were zero. Even the 4 year College vets labelled "NBA-Ready" like Hield and Dunn were doing jack squat. Part of it is because Ben Simmons was seen as head and shoulders above the rest of the draft and he's not playing. I've been waiting to see if any rookie would step up and show some signs of life. Jamal Murray looks like the first one to get it going.
Philly almost took down Cleveland today, Embiid is looking pretty good.
Would be interesting to see Philly if they cashed in some chips near the deadline for some proven players.
Okafor had perhaps his best game of the season. Will be interesting to see if he can get going after struggling most of the season, particularly on the boards. Noel will be back in about 3 weeks to compete for backup minutes.He doesn't even turn 21 until next month. He still could improve a lot.
People still project Simmons to come back in January, but we'll see. He's hinted he'll be back before the all-star break. But we gotta assume he'll be on a minute restriction as well.Philly almost took down Cleveland today, Embiid is looking pretty good.
Would be interesting to see Philly if they cashed in some chips near the deadline for some proven players.
Wouldn't really make any sense considering they still need to wait a year for Simmons to fully recover, before making any trades.
Okafor had perhaps his best game of the season. Will be interesting to see if he can get going after struggling most of the season, particularly on the boards. Noel will be back in about 3 weeks to compete for backup minutes.He doesn't even turn 21 until next month. He still could improve a lot.
Clay, what do you think the chances are that Philly uses their swap rights with the Kings this year? It sounds ridiculous on the surface, but the Kings only have a couple more wins than them right now and if Cousins gets moved at the deadline, that Kings team is going to SUCK. Meanwhile, despite all the naysayers, Philly has actually looked like a fairly competent team lately. They had won 3 in a row at home, lost in double-overtime to the Grizz and just lost to the Cavs by 4 points all with Embiid on a 24 minute restriction, Okafor still working his way back to health, and both Noel and Simmons sitting out. Philly might be a disaster this year, but there's also the chance that mid-january they start going on a run. Forget about Simmons and just note that with Embiid off the minutes restriction, that team will likely be significantly more competitive than it is right now. I don't think it's unthinkable that Philly finishes with more wins than the Kings.
Okafor had perhaps his best game of the season. Will be interesting to see if he can get going after struggling most of the season, particularly on the boards. Noel will be back in about 3 weeks to compete for backup minutes.He doesn't even turn 21 until next month. He still could improve a lot.
Clay, what do you think the chances are that Philly uses their swap rights with the Kings this year? It sounds ridiculous on the surface, but the Kings only have a couple more wins than them right now and if Cousins gets moved at the deadline, that Kings team is going to SUCK. Meanwhile, despite all the naysayers, Philly has actually looked like a fairly competent team lately. They had won 3 in a row at home, lost in double-overtime to the Grizz and just lost to the Cavs by 4 points all with Embiid on a 24 minute restriction, Okafor still working his way back to health, and both Noel and Simmons sitting out. Philly might be a disaster this year, but there's also the chance that mid-january they start going on a run. Forget about Simmons and just note that with Embiid off the minutes restriction, that team will likely be significantly more competitive than it is right now. I don't think it's unthinkable that Philly finishes with more wins than the Kings.
People still project Simmons to come back in January, but we'll see. He's hinted he'll be back before the all-star break. But we gotta assume he'll be on a minute restriction as well.Philly almost took down Cleveland today, Embiid is looking pretty good.
Would be interesting to see Philly if they cashed in some chips near the deadline for some proven players.
Wouldn't really make any sense considering they still need to wait a year for Simmons to fully recover, before making any trades.
It'll also be interesting to see what they get for Noel. You gotta figure barring injury, they will trade Noel before the deadline. December 15th is the date to watch. That's when a lot of guys can finally be traded. I find it interesting that the team seems to project Noels' return from elective surgery to be 3 weeks from now.... that's December 15th. I don't know if it's realistic at this point, but for a long time I felt that Noel for Jordan Clarkson made sense for both teams. Clarkson can't be moved until December 15th.
I'm just not sure what Philly's needs are at this point. It's easy to imagine them going hard after someone like Brandon Knight, but do they really want a ball-controlling PG? Does that make sense for them? With Simmons likely controlling the ball and the team having a really good shot at a PG-loaded lotto talent like Fultz, it seems their greatest need would be someone who can play off the ball and hit shots efficiently.
Okafor had perhaps his best game of the season. Will be interesting to see if he can get going after struggling most of the season, particularly on the boards. Noel will be back in about 3 weeks to compete for backup minutes.He doesn't even turn 21 until next month. He still could improve a lot.
Clay, what do you think the chances are that Philly uses their swap rights with the Kings this year? It sounds ridiculous on the surface, but the Kings only have a couple more wins than them right now and if Cousins gets moved at the deadline, that Kings team is going to SUCK. Meanwhile, despite all the naysayers, Philly has actually looked like a fairly competent team lately. They had won 3 in a row at home, lost in double-overtime to the Grizz and just lost to the Cavs by 4 points all with Embiid on a 24 minute restriction, Okafor still working his way back to health, and both Noel and Simmons sitting out. Philly might be a disaster this year, but there's also the chance that mid-january they start going on a run. Forget about Simmons and just note that with Embiid off the minutes restriction, that team will likely be significantly more competitive than it is right now. I don't think it's unthinkable that Philly finishes with more wins than the Kings.
It's very unlikely to happen before the lottery, but if Sacremento stays bad, Philly could have a great chance at winning the lottery
People still project Simmons to come back in January, but we'll see. He's hinted he'll be back before the all-star break. But we gotta assume he'll be on a minute restriction as well.Philly almost took down Cleveland today, Embiid is looking pretty good.
Would be interesting to see Philly if they cashed in some chips near the deadline for some proven players.
Wouldn't really make any sense considering they still need to wait a year for Simmons to fully recover, before making any trades.
It'll also be interesting to see what they get for Noel. You gotta figure barring injury, they will trade Noel before the deadline. December 15th is the date to watch. That's when a lot of guys can finally be traded. I find it interesting that the team seems to project Noels' return from elective surgery to be 3 weeks from now.... that's December 15th. I don't know if it's realistic at this point, but for a long time I felt that Noel for Jordan Clarkson made sense for both teams. Clarkson can't be moved until December 15th.
I'm just not sure what Philly's needs are at this point. It's easy to imagine them going hard after someone like Brandon Knight, but do they really want a ball-controlling PG? Does that make sense for them? With Simmons likely controlling the ball and the team having a really good shot at a PG-loaded lotto talent like Fultz, it seems their greatest need would be someone who can play off the ball and hit shots efficiently.
i've actually seen this idea bounced around on r/nba a few times before. i always assume the Lakers easily say no. But most fans in those threads seem to think that LA would happily take that offer, and might even have to add extra pieces to make it happen.
People still project Simmons to come back in January, but we'll see. He's hinted he'll be back before the all-star break. But we gotta assume he'll be on a minute restriction as well.Philly almost took down Cleveland today, Embiid is looking pretty good.
Would be interesting to see Philly if they cashed in some chips near the deadline for some proven players.
Wouldn't really make any sense considering they still need to wait a year for Simmons to fully recover, before making any trades.
It'll also be interesting to see what they get for Noel. You gotta figure barring injury, they will trade Noel before the deadline. December 15th is the date to watch. That's when a lot of guys can finally be traded. I find it interesting that the team seems to project Noels' return from elective surgery to be 3 weeks from now.... that's December 15th. I don't know if it's realistic at this point, but for a long time I felt that Noel for Jordan Clarkson made sense for both teams. Clarkson can't be moved until December 15th.
I'm just not sure what Philly's needs are at this point. It's easy to imagine them going hard after someone like Brandon Knight, but do they really want a ball-controlling PG? Does that make sense for them? With Simmons likely controlling the ball and the team having a really good shot at a PG-loaded lotto talent like Fultz, it seems their greatest need would be someone who can play off the ball and hit shots efficiently.
he does post an update on embiid just about every game. He is an exciting playerPeople still project Simmons to come back in January, but we'll see. He's hinted he'll be back before the all-star break. But we gotta assume he'll be on a minute restriction as well.Philly almost took down Cleveland today, Embiid is looking pretty good.
Would be interesting to see Philly if they cashed in some chips near the deadline for some proven players.
Wouldn't really make any sense considering they still need to wait a year for Simmons to fully recover, before making any trades.
It'll also be interesting to see what they get for Noel. You gotta figure barring injury, they will trade Noel before the deadline. December 15th is the date to watch. That's when a lot of guys can finally be traded. I find it interesting that the team seems to project Noels' return from elective surgery to be 3 weeks from now.... that's December 15th. I don't know if it's realistic at this point, but for a long time I felt that Noel for Jordan Clarkson made sense for both teams. Clarkson can't be moved until December 15th.
I'm just not sure what Philly's needs are at this point. It's easy to imagine them going hard after someone like Brandon Knight, but do they really want a ball-controlling PG? Does that make sense for them? With Simmons likely controlling the ball and the team having a really good shot at a PG-loaded lotto talent like Fultz, it seems their greatest need would be someone who can play off the ball and hit shots efficiently.
Just out of curiosity, why does it seem that most of your posts in this thread (and others) concern the 76ers, which is just one of the 29 teams not named the Boston Celtics?
People still project Simmons to come back in January, but we'll see. He's hinted he'll be back before the all-star break. But we gotta assume he'll be on a minute restriction as well.Philly almost took down Cleveland today, Embiid is looking pretty good.
Would be interesting to see Philly if they cashed in some chips near the deadline for some proven players.
Wouldn't really make any sense considering they still need to wait a year for Simmons to fully recover, before making any trades.
It'll also be interesting to see what they get for Noel. You gotta figure barring injury, they will trade Noel before the deadline. December 15th is the date to watch. That's when a lot of guys can finally be traded. I find it interesting that the team seems to project Noels' return from elective surgery to be 3 weeks from now.... that's December 15th. I don't know if it's realistic at this point, but for a long time I felt that Noel for Jordan Clarkson made sense for both teams. Clarkson can't be moved until December 15th.
I'm just not sure what Philly's needs are at this point. It's easy to imagine them going hard after someone like Brandon Knight, but do they really want a ball-controlling PG? Does that make sense for them? With Simmons likely controlling the ball and the team having a really good shot at a PG-loaded lotto talent like Fultz, it seems their greatest need would be someone who can play off the ball and hit shots efficiently.
Just out of curiosity, why does it seem that most of your posts in this thread (and others) concern the 76ers, which is just one of the 29 teams not named the Boston Celtics?
Lakers win without Russell over Hawks back into tied for 8th. We are getting close to 25% of way into season now
i said this in another thread, but I kind of think the Kings bottoming out is a dream. They play the Suns,lakers,nuggets, mavs, wolves, Pelicans, nets and 76ers 28 times (plus the other weaker eastern teams like wizards, magic etc. 38 wins keeps you in playoff contention deep into the season with how the west looks. You really think they bail on the season in a new arena a few games out of a playoff spot?Lakers win without Russell over Hawks back into tied for 8th. We are getting close to 25% of way into season now
Lakers being a playoff contender is good for us, because A) it means Philly doesn't get another high pick from them, B) it means yet another team in front of Sacramento in the playoff race, and C) it means they don't get their pick.
No but they should. No way can Kings compete with Warriors, Spurs, and Clippers. Then Lakers and Wolves already have a jump on them in rebuilding. They are screwed unless they can pull off a Spurs tank job for the second pick. They need another star to compete.i said this in another thread, but I kind of think the Kings bottoming out is a dream. They play the Suns,lakers,nuggets, mavs, wolves, Pelicans, nets and 76ers 28 times (plus the other weaker eastern teams like wizards, magic etc. 38 wins keeps you in playoff contention deep into the season with how the west looks. You really think they bail on the season in a new arena a few games out of a playoff spot?Lakers win without Russell over Hawks back into tied for 8th. We are getting close to 25% of way into season now
Lakers being a playoff contender is good for us, because A) it means Philly doesn't get another high pick from them, B) it means yet another team in front of Sacramento in the playoff race, and C) it means they don't get their pick.
No but they should. No way can Kings compete with Warriors, Spurs, and Clippers. Then Lakers and Wolves already have a jump on them in rebuilding. They are screwed unless they can pull off a Spurs tank job for the second pick. They need another star to compete.i said this in another thread, but I kind of think the Kings bottoming out is a dream. They play the Suns,lakers,nuggets, mavs, wolves, Pelicans, nets and 76ers 28 times (plus the other weaker eastern teams like wizards, magic etc. 38 wins keeps you in playoff contention deep into the season with how the west looks. You really think they bail on the season in a new arena a few games out of a playoff spot?Lakers win without Russell over Hawks back into tied for 8th. We are getting close to 25% of way into season now
Lakers being a playoff contender is good for us, because A) it means Philly doesn't get another high pick from them, B) it means yet another team in front of Sacramento in the playoff race, and C) it means they don't get their pick.
The Lakers will also lose their 2019 1st (rather than two 2nds) is they don't end up with a top 3 pick this season.Lakers win without Russell over Hawks back into tied for 8th. We are getting close to 25% of way into season now
Lakers being a playoff contender is good for us, because A) it means Philly doesn't get another high pick from them, B) it means yet another team in front of Sacramento in the playoff race, and C) it means they don't get their pick.
Funny stats of the night:
Aaron Gordon went 0 from 12 scoring zero points and his team lost.
Clips turned the ball over 11x in the first quarter (20 total) and lost by 20 to Indy.
Lakers win without Russell over Hawks back into tied for 8th. We are getting close to 25% of way into season nowSecond time they've beaten the Hawks. With Young, Williams and Clarkson, Russell being out doesn't really hurt them. Their defense is still poor but they've got quite a lot of offensive firepower. Definitely playing better than I expected. Walton deserves a lot credit. If they make the playoffs, he ought to get coach of the year.
With approximately 20% of games played. Gay and Airasian say this is a big enough sample to be representative my observationsI maybe reading this wrong but I thought Lakers is doing fine with current coach compared to wolves.
- Chicago are a legit playoff team
- Toronto have been sucked into the quagmire in the middle of the Eastern Conference playoff seeds
- Lakers just needed better coaching
- Dallas' instant gratification approach in free a has caught up with them
I think it means that the lakers last year had a decent roster and all they needed was better coaching which they got in walton
Westbrook aside (averaging a triple-double), Anthony Davis is going absolutely bonkers this season.Davis is probably still p---ed about not being on the all nba teams and losing out on millions.
today was a nice day for Golden State Globetrotter fans. They are creating distance.The general thinking had always been that they would in a lot of regular season games (though maybe not 73). It's the playoffs where they may have trouble with a strategy of simply outscoring their opponents. I don't think we will know what that team is until January.
16-2 right now. On pace to tie their record 73 wins.
I still maintain that the NBA is lucky the Globetrotters got blown out in their first game. It created the illusion that team is beatable. The illusion was so potent that even now there are fans here who have convinced themselves Golden State is just one of a few "contenders" and not the unprecedented over-stacked world-beaters that they are.
Game has been canceled.source? Someone should tell the fans... they are still sitting in the stands waiting.
Game has been canceled.
They just announced the game will be postponed. Ugh... I guess I'll have to watch the Celtics game tonight instead.Game has been canceled.
This is a pretty great image. Come on, you know Boogie's a team player!
https://twitter.com/DerekBodnerNBA/status/804116602132267009/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CyjLxsMWQAgCDVq.jpg)
Hope it doesn't get canceled. Besides getting to watch the Embiid/Cousins matchup, there's speculation that Embiid and Okafor will be on the court together.With this game postponed, I'm guessing they will have Embiid play Friday and sit out Saturday's game against us. Kinda lame.
Dang, KAT with 22 and 7 in the 1st quarter. Anybody watching that one?
Dang, KAT with 22 and 7 in the 1st quarter. Anybody watching that one?
with 8/8 shooting and drawing 2 fouls on Hernangomez and O'Quinn each
looks like Noah is out
Towns vs. Porzingis has been something special.I'm still really surprised the WOlves aren't better. I'm still expecting them to go on a run eventually. Towns is unreal.
Towns vs. Porzingis has been something special.I'm still really surprised the WOlves aren't better. I'm still expecting them to go on a run eventually. Towns is unreal.
This Houston at Golden State game is pure garbage basketball. It's just iso basketball and three pointers - that's it. No defense whatsoever.
Seriously, for Houston it's Harden iso for 20 seconds, penetration, and either a contested shot, free throws, or a kick out for a three. For Golden State, it's coming down and jacking up a quick three.
Just terrible, terrible basketball.
This Houston at Golden State game is pure garbage basketball. It's just iso basketball and three pointers - that's it. No defense whatsoever.
Seriously, for Houston it's Harden iso for 20 seconds, penetration, and either a contested shot, free throws, or a kick out for a three. For Golden State, it's coming down and jacking up a quick three.
Just terrible, terrible basketball.
This Houston at Golden State game is pure garbage basketball. It's just iso basketball and three pointers - that's it. No defense whatsoever.
Seriously, for Houston it's Harden iso for 20 seconds, penetration, and either a contested shot, free throws, or a kick out for a three. For Golden State, it's coming down and jacking up a quick three.
Just terrible, terrible basketball.
This Houston at Golden State game is pure garbage basketball. It's just iso basketball and three pointers - that's it. No defense whatsoever.
Seriously, for Houston it's Harden iso for 20 seconds, penetration, and either a contested shot, free throws, or a kick out for a three. For Golden State, it's coming down and jacking up a quick three.
Just terrible, terrible basketball.
I believe a three point shot early in the shot clock is generally made at a higher percentage than one later in the shot clock, so a quick three from a good shooter is usually a very efficient shot if not strongly contested.
Flagrant 1 on Green. Is that another suspension for him due to it dealing with his wildass legs again?
Good to see someone barely beat the warriors. Gotta keep that illusion alive that they can be beat.How is it an illusion if they just got beat and have lost two other games as well...
im talkin playoffs. You might sneak a win out of a series but that's a team that might have the greatest offense in history, just won 12 games in a row, has the best record in the league, and is on a 70+ win pace. They are in a separate tier from the rest of the league.Good to see someone barely beat the warriors. Gotta keep that illusion alive that they can be beat.How is it an illusion if they just got beat and have lost two other games as well...
im talkin playoffs. You might sneak a win out of a series but that's a team that might have the greatest offense in history, just won 12 games in a row, has the best record in the league, and is on a 70+ win pace. They are in a separate tier from the rest of the league.Good to see someone barely beat the warriors. Gotta keep that illusion alive that they can be beat.How is it an illusion if they just got beat and have lost two other games as well...
im talkin playoffs. You might sneak a win out of a series but that's a team that might have the greatest offense in history, just won 12 games in a row, has the best record in the league, and is on a 70+ win pace. They are in a separate tier from the rest of the league.Good to see someone barely beat the warriors. Gotta keep that illusion alive that they can be beat.How is it an illusion if they just got beat and have lost two other games as well...
They actually don't look as good as they did for the majority of last season. I live in Oakland so I see a ton of their games. They were poetry in motion last season. I don't know exactly what it is but it is not the same.
Still hate them. I've always hated Golden State's style that would not hesitate to come down and shoot a top of the key three with 18 seconds to go. I pretty much hate any iso-three that is not absolutely necessary. Threes should primarily come off of a pass.
Cavs not so invincible anymore. Getting ready to lose their third straight game tonight. I've been saying that the Bulls could give the Cavs some trouble in the playoffs. I'm hoping they're a low seed that plays the Cavs in the first or second round.
Cavs not so invincible anymore. Getting ready to lose their third straight game tonight. I've been saying that the Bulls could give the Cavs some trouble in the playoffs. I'm hoping they're a low seed that plays the Cavs in the first or second round.
Cavs not so invincible anymore. Getting ready to lose their third straight game tonight. I've been saying that the Bulls could give the Cavs some trouble in the playoffs. I'm hoping they're a low seed that plays the Cavs in the first or second round.
We should all know by now that the regular season is meaningless when it comes to evaluating the Cavs.
Cavs not so invincible anymore. Getting ready to lose their third straight game tonight. I've been saying that the Bulls could give the Cavs some trouble in the playoffs. I'm hoping they're a low seed that plays the Cavs in the first or second round.
We should all know by now that the regular season is meaningless when it comes to evaluating the Cavs.
True. But I'm more referring to those posters who claim that Cleveland, GS, etc. are unbeatable. Every team is beatable.
im talkin playoffs. You might sneak a win out of a series but that's a team that might have the greatest offense in history, just won 12 games in a row, has the best record in the league, and is on a 70+ win pace. They are in a separate tier from the rest of the league.Good to see someone barely beat the warriors. Gotta keep that illusion alive that they can be beat.How is it an illusion if they just got beat and have lost two other games as well...
Cavs not so invincible anymore. Getting ready to lose their third straight game tonight. I've been saying that the Bulls could give the Cavs some trouble in the playoffs. I'm hoping they're a low seed that plays the Cavs in the first or second round.
We should all know by now that the regular season is meaningless when it comes to evaluating the Cavs.
True. But I'm more referring to those posters who claim that Cleveland, GS, etc. are unbeatable. Every team is beatable.
In the regular season, sure. Come playoffs, no one's (in the East) beating the Cavs barring a Bron injury.
Cavs not so invincible anymore. Getting ready to lose their third straight game tonight. I've been saying that the Bulls could give the Cavs some trouble in the playoffs. I'm hoping they're a low seed that plays the Cavs in the first or second round.
We should all know by now that the regular season is meaningless when it comes to evaluating the Cavs.
True. But I'm more referring to those posters who claim that Cleveland, GS, etc. are unbeatable. Every team is beatable.
In the regular season, sure. Come playoffs, no one's (in the East) beating the Cavs barring a Bron injury.
They're the favorites, sure, but I don't think it's inconceivable that someone like Boston or Toronto could pull off an upset. This is even truer if we add a legit center to our roster.
Pacers might be a team to watch now. They're finally at full health for the first time this season, and are currently beating the Clippers in the 4th quarter
im talkin playoffs. You might sneak a win out of a series but that's a team that might have the greatest offense in history, just won 12 games in a row, has the best record in the league, and is on a 70+ win pace. They are in a separate tier from the rest of the league.Good to see someone barely beat the warriors. Gotta keep that illusion alive that they can be beat.How is it an illusion if they just got beat and have lost two other games as well...
Completely agree. If healthy, I think GS beats Cleveland in 5, maybe 6 games. I wouldn't be shocked if they picked up another defensive big man (role player, not star) before the deadline. Steve Kerr has the best gig going right now. It will be his job to manage legs at the end of the regular season so they are fresh to dominate every playoff game. No one cares about reg. season records this year.
I think Dray is their key. No one can match them 1-3, so its useful if teams can attack inside.
And this is why the Celtics should get Demarcus Cousins. We would go from having one of the weakest post scoring teams last year to the best. I think he would work well with Horford and IT.
Klay Thompson with 48 points in under 24 minutes
Heard the Cavs had a major injury. Anyone know what happened? I saw Lebron went down early, but he continued to play and is still playing.
Heard the Cavs had a major injury. Anyone know what happened? I saw Lebron went down early, but he continued to play and is still playing.
looked as though JR has a hyperextended knee but I'm no Doc, I'm just basing that off of what they call it when other people have landed like that. it was quick but it was like he was about to do like the aliens on Contact move when they popped their knees back.
it didn't look that bad but he was down on the floor rolling and crying so it probably isn't good.
Heard the Cavs had a major injury. Anyone know what happened? I saw Lebron went down early, but he continued to play and is still playing.
looked as though JR has a hyperextended knee but I'm no Doc, I'm just basing that off of what they call it when other people have landed like that. it was quick but it was like he was about to do like the aliens on Contact move when they popped their knees back.
it didn't look that bad but he was down on the floor rolling and crying so it probably isn't good.
Apparently x-rays are negative, but he tore the meniscus in that knee a few years ago.
Why is the Hornets ahead of us when we actually beat them head on?
Wow, Pacers down 12 in DALLAS - the worst team in the league. They keep this losing up, George might actually come available at the deadline.They use to have a decent coach.
Wow, Pacers down 12 in DALLAS - the worst team in the league. They keep this losing up, George might actually come available at the deadline.They use to have a decent coach.
Philly DESTROYING Detroit in Noels debut. Embiid sitting this one out. Game is in Detroit.
Pretty shocking.
If the Lakers lose, they will have an 8-game losing streak.I expected the Lakers to revert to the bad team that they are but I didn't think it was going to happen this quick. Don't want them ending up with a top 3 pick this year because that would mean they get to keep their 2019 1st.
And people said this team could win 45 this season lol.
Haha Luke Walton just got tossed 7 minutes into the game with Sacramento, and Randle also got called for a T.Is terrible officiating really terrible if its against the Lakers?
But he totally was justified. Boogie absolutely grabbed Randle behind the back and just threw him down blatantly. Terrible officiating per usual.
Oh my goodness, the Timberwolves are about to blow a 12 point lead in like the last 90 seconds. They're absolutely terrible at finishing games.
Philly just put BKN to bed. Celts now on a mini win-streak. And Pats beat Denver. Good day for Boston sports.
Philly just put BKN to bed. Celts now on a mini win-streak. And Pats beat Denver. Good day for Boston sports.
Right now Embiid is just a hatchling monster. He's going to be a real beast when he gets more experience. Just need to clear out the 1st couple rows of seats and put some padding down or at least have your fans practice catching 100lb sand bags before each game. He's taking Iverson's advise to "play every game like its his last" a bit too seriously.Philly just put BKN to bed. Celts now on a mini win-streak. And Pats beat Denver. Good day for Boston sports.
Embiid had a monster line that game.
Anyone got a stream for the Jazz game?
Anyone got a stream for the Jazz game?
I don't, and hopefully Dante Exum's mother doesn't either. Through 14 minutes, 0 points, 0 rebounds, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 3 turnovers, and 2 fouls. Maybe he's doing something positive that doesn't show in the statsheet, but given the Jazz are down by 30, I'm guessing he isn't.
The Kings are an absolute disaster lol They were up by like 8, and they let Portland have a 10-0 run to put them back up after settling for contested jumpers.
Boogie's big night is going to be wasted yet again. 46 points with 2:25 to go.
I don't get that perspective either. He is a generational player, a rare talent. Cousins, AD, KAT and maybe Embiid will be the dominant big men for quite a while. I have always been on board.The Kings are an absolute disaster lol They were up by like 8, and they let Portland have a 10-0 run to put them back up after settling for contested jumpers.
Boogie's big night is going to be wasted yet again. 46 points with 2:25 to go.
49 after a Boogie triple to put them up 1. Wow. This guy can do it all. How do some people not want him on our team?!
EDIT: OMG, he did it again lol 52 now!
I don't get that perspective either. He is a generational player, a rare talent. Cousins, AD and KAT will be the dominant big men for quite a while. I have always been on board.The Kings are an absolute disaster lol They were up by like 8, and they let Portland have a 10-0 run to put them back up after settling for contested jumpers.
Boogie's big night is going to be wasted yet again. 46 points with 2:25 to go.
49 after a Boogie triple to put them up 1. Wow. This guy can do it all. How do some people not want him on our team?!
EDIT: OMG, he did it again lol 52 now!
I don't get that perspective either. He is a generational player, a rare talent. Cousins, AD and KAT will be the dominant big men for quite a while. I have always been on board.The Kings are an absolute disaster lol They were up by like 8, and they let Portland have a 10-0 run to put them back up after settling for contested jumpers.
Boogie's big night is going to be wasted yet again. 46 points with 2:25 to go.
49 after a Boogie triple to put them up 1. Wow. This guy can do it all. How do some people not want him on our team?!
EDIT: OMG, he did it again lol 52 now!
And despite this incredible individual performance, the Kings still might not win.
I don't get that perspective either. He is a generational player, a rare talent. Cousins, AD and KAT will be the dominant big men for quite a while. I have always been on board.The Kings are an absolute disaster lol They were up by like 8, and they let Portland have a 10-0 run to put them back up after settling for contested jumpers.
Boogie's big night is going to be wasted yet again. 46 points with 2:25 to go.
49 after a Boogie triple to put them up 1. Wow. This guy can do it all. How do some people not want him on our team?!
EDIT: OMG, he did it again lol 52 now!
And despite this incredible individual performance, the Kings still might not win.
Not watching, but how did he just get tossed???
I don't get that perspective either. He is a generational player, a rare talent. Cousins, AD and KAT will be the dominant big men for quite a while. I have always been on board.The Kings are an absolute disaster lol They were up by like 8, and they let Portland have a 10-0 run to put them back up after settling for contested jumpers.
Boogie's big night is going to be wasted yet again. 46 points with 2:25 to go.
49 after a Boogie triple to put them up 1. Wow. This guy can do it all. How do some people not want him on our team?!
EDIT: OMG, he did it again lol 52 now!
And despite this incredible individual performance, the Kings still might not win.
Not watching, but how did he just get tossed???
I'm not sure what happened now. He was called for a T for yelling at the Blazers bench and spitting his mouthpiece out, but then they rescinded the T somehow. Bizarre occurrence. It clearly looked like a T, and Demarcus had already went to the locker rooms before being called back. lol
They rescinded it.I don't get that perspective either. He is a generational player, a rare talent. Cousins, AD and KAT will be the dominant big men for quite a while. I have always been on board.The Kings are an absolute disaster lol They were up by like 8, and they let Portland have a 10-0 run to put them back up after settling for contested jumpers.
Boogie's big night is going to be wasted yet again. 46 points with 2:25 to go.
49 after a Boogie triple to put them up 1. Wow. This guy can do it all. How do some people not want him on our team?!
EDIT: OMG, he did it again lol 52 now!
And despite this incredible individual performance, the Kings still might not win.
Not watching, but how did he just get tossed???
I'm not sure what happened now. He was called for a T for yelling at the Blazers bench and spitting his mouthpiece out, but then they rescinded the T somehow. Bizarre occurrence. It clearly looked like a T, and Demarcus had already went to the locker rooms before being called back. lol
Did they rescind a T, or think he had one already in the game?
I don't get that perspective either. He is a generational player, a rare talent. Cousins, AD and KAT will be the dominant big men for quite a while. I have always been on board.The Kings are an absolute disaster lol They were up by like 8, and they let Portland have a 10-0 run to put them back up after settling for contested jumpers.
Boogie's big night is going to be wasted yet again. 46 points with 2:25 to go.
49 after a Boogie triple to put them up 1. Wow. This guy can do it all. How do some people not want him on our team?!
EDIT: OMG, he did it again lol 52 now!
And despite this incredible individual performance, the Kings still might not win.
Not watching, but how did he just get tossed???
I'm not sure what happened now. He was called for a T for yelling at the Blazers bench and spitting his mouthpiece out, but then they rescinded the T somehow. Bizarre occurrence. It clearly looked like a T, and Demarcus had already went to the locker rooms before being called back. lol
Did they rescind a T, or think he had one already in the game?
I don't get that perspective either. He is a generational player, a rare talent. Cousins, AD and KAT will be the dominant big men for quite a while. I have always been on board.The Kings are an absolute disaster lol They were up by like 8, and they let Portland have a 10-0 run to put them back up after settling for contested jumpers.
Boogie's big night is going to be wasted yet again. 46 points with 2:25 to go.
49 after a Boogie triple to put them up 1. Wow. This guy can do it all. How do some people not want him on our team?!
EDIT: OMG, he did it again lol 52 now!
And despite this incredible individual performance, the Kings still might not win.
Not watching, but how did he just get tossed???
I'm not sure what happened now. He was called for a T for yelling at the Blazers bench and spitting his mouthpiece out, but then they rescinded the T somehow. Bizarre occurrence. It clearly looked like a T, and Demarcus had already went to the locker rooms before being called back. lol
Did they rescind a T, or think he had one already in the game?
No, they actually rescinded it. He already had one from a double-T situation earlier.
They claimed afterwards that his mouthpiece "accidentally" came out rather than him spitting it out. But that's bogus - he clearly spit it out, even their own announcers were saying that. Very, very bizarre occurrence, and I'm not even sure if that's legal of them to rescind the T like that.
EDIT: THey didn't even review it either. Total misstep by them. I'm sure the league will hear about that. Cousins is already nearing suspension territory with technical fouls, too.
On the ejection:
"It's ridiculous. It's obvious what's being done out here. It's a nightly basis. I hope the world can see now what's going on out here. It's getting ridiculous. It's really ridiculous."
On if the mouthguard came out accidentally:
"Yes, man. Yes. This is ridiculous, man. Ridiculous."
On Portland's physical game plan:
"That was light, man. I know what their game scheme is every night. They're hyping up their big man over there. He thinks he's a stopper. It's not happening. I brought him back to reality."
They cut his mic before he could say anything else.
Here's the play in question. It's pretty clear that he spit that out. Posters are losing their minds over at Sactown Royalty with the refs enabling Boogie and that crazy interview he gave. lol
https://twitter.com/MAD_Marvin/status/811456598887440385
https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/811455199717912576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
And here's his postgame interview, though it was much worse that it sounds without the emotion involved:
https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/811458872619646976/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteOn the ejection:
"It's ridiculous. It's obvious what's being done out here. It's a nightly basis. I hope the world can see now what's going on out here. It's getting ridiculous. It's really ridiculous."
On if the mouthguard came out accidentally:
"Yes, man. Yes. This is ridiculous, man. Ridiculous."
On Portland's physical game plan:
"That was light, man. I know what their game scheme is every night. They're hyping up their big man over there. He thinks he's a stopper. It's not happening. I brought him back to reality."
They cut his mic before he could say anything else.
EDIT: Here's the actual video. They legitimately cut his mic lol
https://twitter.com/outsidethenba/status/811456526665809924
he evidently thought they were hyping up Meyers Leonard? lol thats nuts. That said, Boogie dropped 55 and Leonard had 0 points and 5 fouls. He made Leonard his Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline..Here's the play in question. It's pretty clear that he spit that out. Posters are losing their minds over at Sactown Royalty with the refs enabling Boogie and that crazy interview he gave. lol
https://twitter.com/MAD_Marvin/status/811456598887440385
https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/811455199717912576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
And here's his postgame interview, though it was much worse that it sounds without the emotion involved:
https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/811458872619646976/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteOn the ejection:
"It's ridiculous. It's obvious what's being done out here. It's a nightly basis. I hope the world can see now what's going on out here. It's getting ridiculous. It's really ridiculous."
On if the mouthguard came out accidentally:
"Yes, man. Yes. This is ridiculous, man. Ridiculous."
On Portland's physical game plan:
"That was light, man. I know what their game scheme is every night. They're hyping up their big man over there. He thinks he's a stopper. It's not happening. I brought him back to reality."
They cut his mic before he could say anything else.
EDIT: Here's the actual video. They legitimately cut his mic lol
https://twitter.com/outsidethenba/status/811456526665809924
He clearly spit his mouth piece out on purpose and then was ranting and lying about it after the game. That said, you can see what a motivated Boogie can do. 55 points on 28 shots. 16-17 free throws, 13 rebounds, 3 blocks, 5-8 on 3's. I want him on the C's and would gamble on his attitude problem.
Anyone else wondering about the vast chasm between the 7th and 8th seed western conference teams?
Anyone else wondering about the vast chasm between the 7th and 8th seed western conference teams?
It's crazy. I am not convinced that Portland will figure it out. A truly bad team like Sacramento, Denver, Lakers or Pelicans will make the playoffs if they don't
How on earth does San Antonio/Chicago get the other prime time Christmas game?
San Antonio I get, but Chicago? The same Chicago who didn't make the playoffs last year, and whose in 9th place again this year?
Of course outside of GS/Cleveland, can't really think of another hot matchup I'd want to see that doesn't involve GS or Clevelando, especially before the season started.
Probably should have been something like pick any 2 of San Antonio, Toronto, or LAC.
Just amazed Chicago got a prime Christmas day time slot.
How on earth does San Antonio/Chicago get the other prime time Christmas game?
San Antonio I get, but Chicago? The same Chicago who didn't make the playoffs last year, and whose in 9th place again this year?
Of course outside of GS/Cleveland, can't really think of another hot matchup I'd want to see that doesn't involve GS or Clevelando, especially before the season started.
Probably should have been something like pick any 2 of San Antonio, Toronto, or LAC.
Just amazed Chicago got a prime Christmas day time slot.
RJ dunking on klay was nasty
spurs ringing the bulls bell.
How on earth does San Antonio/Chicago get the other prime time Christmas game?
San Antonio I get, but Chicago? The same Chicago who didn't make the playoffs last year, and whose in 9th place again this year?
Of course outside of GS/Cleveland, can't really think of another hot matchup I'd want to see that doesn't involve GS or Clevelando, especially before the season started.
Probably should have been something like pick any 2 of San Antonio, Toronto, or LAC.
Just amazed Chicago got a prime Christmas day time slot.
Any team with Dwyane Wade will always be a strong national draw. One of the most popular and well liked players of his generation.
Fact is, Christmas day games are about drawing eyeballs.
How on earth does San Antonio/Chicago get the other prime time Christmas game?
San Antonio I get, but Chicago? The same Chicago who didn't make the playoffs last year, and whose in 9th place again this year?
Of course outside of GS/Cleveland, can't really think of another hot matchup I'd want to see that doesn't involve GS or Clevelando, especially before the season started.
Probably should have been something like pick any 2 of San Antonio, Toronto, or LAC.
Just amazed Chicago got a prime Christmas day time slot.
Any team with Dwyane Wade will always be a strong national draw. One of the most popular and well liked players of his generation.
Fact is, Christmas day games are about drawing eyeballs.
You really think so? Well-liked by whom—other players? the media? Seems like fans of non-Wade teams dislike him quite a bit. Celtics fans certainly dislike him.
Noel looking really good so far in the first half. In limited minutes he has a three point play, a couple rebounds, a block on Cuz, and has altered numerous shots at the basket. Their interior D is so much better with him in there.
It'll be a shame if someone else gets him for cheap, though I think he could really, really help Portland.
How on earth does San Antonio/Chicago get the other prime time Christmas game?
San Antonio I get, but Chicago? The same Chicago who didn't make the playoffs last year, and whose in 9th place again this year?
Of course outside of GS/Cleveland, can't really think of another hot matchup I'd want to see that doesn't involve GS or Clevelando, especially before the season started.
Probably should have been something like pick any 2 of San Antonio, Toronto, or LAC.
Just amazed Chicago got a prime Christmas day time slot.
Any team with Dwyane Wade will always be a strong national draw. One of the most popular and well liked players of his generation.
Fact is, Christmas day games are about drawing eyeballs.
You really think so? Well-liked by whom—other players? the media? Seems like fans of non-Wade teams dislike him quite a bit. Celtics fans certainly dislike him.
I'm sure plenty of hard core NBA fans dislike him, but doubtfully anymore than they would dislike any elite player on the opposition. That's kind of how fandom usually works.
But Wade is widely beloved and respected by casual fans and those that are capable of pushing their irrational hate of the opposition to the side, and just appreciate talent for what it is. You think it is an accident Wade has been voted into the All-Star game as a starter for years now, despite the fact that the last couple years he most likely did not actually deserve that designation.
You should study up on Wade a bit, he's actually a really classy human being.
Noel looking really good so far in the first half. In limited minutes he has a three point play, a couple rebounds, a block on Cuz, and has altered numerous shots at the basket. Their interior D is so much better with him in there.
It'll be a shame if someone else gets him for cheap, though I think he could really, really help Portland.
Just checking the box score, and he's only played three minutes total. Must have looked terrific to give that impression in so few minutes. :)
Noel looking really good so far in the first half. In limited minutes he has a three point play, a couple rebounds, a block on Cuz, and has altered numerous shots at the basket. Their interior D is so much better with him in there.
It'll be a shame if someone else gets him for cheap, though I think he could really, really help Portland.
Just checking the box score, and he's only played three minutes total. Must have looked terrific to give that impression in so few minutes. :)
I said in limited minutes! ;)
In all seriousness, though, it actually was. The defense immediately improved dramatically, and Noel even blocked Cousins on his first possession, along with altering numerous other shots at the rim. You should read some of the comments over at the game thread on LibertyBallers.com, which pretty much say the same thing.
Of course, now they have Okafor in there as the center, and the defense is atrocious.
I fully believe they're trying to "showcase" Okafor for a trade now and restrict Noel's free agent value at the same time. Of course, Okafor has looked absolutely terrible and is doing nothing but making himself untradeable. I'm not sure that there's any other logical excuse for that rotation choice.
EDIT: So far in 20 minutes Okafor is a -9 with 6 pts (3-5 fg), 2 rebs, 2 asts, 1 stl, 3 TOs, and 4 PFs, all while giving up a ton of points in the paint.
Embiid really is impressive, though his BBIQ isn't very high. He also makes too many TOs and has a tendency to take off some defensive possessions. A pairing of Embiid and Simmons should be ridiculous, though.Embiid has a good BBIQ. He wouldn't have progressed so well so quickly if he didn't. His turnovers come from inexperience and being asked to do too much because of the Sixers limited talent. Simmons and Embiid should be a very good fit and it shouldn't be hard to put complimentary players around them.
The Bulls really look bad. Stagnant offense with little ball movement, over-reliance on washed up stars to produce offensively.
I'd really hate to be a Bulls fan right now. Jettisoned a superior coach in Thibs for Hoiberg. Signed Wade and Rondo in a ill-advised effort to stay relevant in a weak Eastern conference. Also previously traded Gary Harris and Jusuf Nurkic for a poor man's Kyle Korver in McDermott. Their other young players don't seem to be very promising.
Mirotic is complete trash. I never understood the infatuation with him, even after he had a decent rookie season. Limited offensive ability with poor decision making. Major defensive liability. Shooting at 30% from 3 this season, which is clearly below expectations for a stretch 4.
Even though they're only down 2 against the Nets heading into the 4th, they've been significantly outplayed. The ball is moving better on the Nets and and they're getting much higher quality shots. Meanwhile Chicago is shooting 38% against the worst defensive team in the league - a team that is also 1-14 on the road.
Sacramento being in the playoffs might be short lived, at least for now.Sacramento has looked pretty solid recently so they make be due for a stinker without gayagain
They're currently down 16 in the 2nd to the Lillard-less Blazers in Portland, and Denver is up 10 on Minny in the 4th. A Denver win and Sacramento loss will put them tied for the 8th seed.
A Trailblazers win will also put them at 14 in the win column alongside Denver and Sacramento, and New Orleans' win tonight puts them at 13 wins with them on the rise now being healthy.
I still think the Trailblazers or Pelicans end up with the 8th seed, but it might be a tighter playoff race than we want to maximize the chances of a Boogie trade in late February.
Sacramento being in the playoffs might be short lived, at least for now.Sacramento has looked pretty solid recently so they make be due for a stinker without gayagain
They're currently down 16 in the 2nd to the Lillard-less Blazers in Portland, and Denver is up 10 on Minny in the 4th. A Denver win and Sacramento loss will put them tied for the 8th seed.
A Trailblazers win will also put them at 14 in the win column alongside Denver and Sacramento, and New Orleans' win tonight puts them at 13 wins with them on the rise now being healthy.
I still think the Trailblazers or Pelicans end up with the 8th seed, but it might be a tighter playoff race than we want to maximize the chances of a Boogie trade in late February.
Sacramento being in the playoffs might be short lived, at least for now.Sacramento has looked pretty solid recently so they make be due for a stinker without gayagain
They're currently down 16 in the 2nd to the Lillard-less Blazers in Portland, and Denver is up 10 on Minny in the 4th. A Denver win and Sacramento loss will put them tied for the 8th seed.
A Trailblazers win will also put them at 14 in the win column alongside Denver and Sacramento, and New Orleans' win tonight puts them at 13 wins with them on the rise now being healthy.
I still think the Trailblazers or Pelicans end up with the 8th seed, but it might be a tighter playoff race than we want to maximize the chances of a Boogie trade in late February.
My obsession with a Boogie trade has had me watching most of the Kings' games this year, and let me tell you, the Gay effect seems real. I haven't looked at the stats to back up this claim, but it certainly does seem that they play much better and move the ball around better offensively without Gay in there. I think tonight is the Trailblazers getting the Kings back for that bad loss in Sacramento last week.
Honestly, Sacramento hasn't looked too bad this year, though I think Boogie is just so good and draws so much attention that it makes everyone else's job easier.
However, they were pretty much in this exact same boat last year in the playoff race around this time before ultimately blowing it mid-season and sucking the rest of the season. I expect the same will happen this year, especially with their difficult schedule coming up and the possibility of trading Gay.
Warriors tearing the raptors a new butt oriface .
raptors can 't get in ashooting contest with Curry
A big ruff team with big powerful centers is the way to deal with Warriors .
Uh oh, trouble brewing in the Pacers locker room? George expressing some discontent:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/paul-george-has-been-bummed-about-showing-up-for-work-on-the-pacers-170238894.html
And this is while the Bulls have come back from a 12 point deficit in the 4th in Indiana to tie the game. Would be another devastating loss for the Pacers and George.
Rondo might've already lost his starting spot in Chicago:
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/12/30/sounds-like-rajon-rondo-may-lose-starting-point-guard-spot-in-chicago/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Good. Good. And Hoiberg is also on the hot seat. Hopefully the dysfunction keeps up and Butler ends up getting shopped again.
Rondo might've already lost his starting spot in Chicago:
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2016/12/30/sounds-like-rajon-rondo-may-lose-starting-point-guard-spot-in-chicago/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Good. Good. And Hoiberg is also on the hot seat. Hopefully the dysfunction keeps up and Butler ends up getting shopped again.
What would you realistically give up for Butler?
Bulls looking very dysfunctional again.
Bucks are outclassing them at the moment after already beating them twice this year, and Rondo has been benched this entire Milwaukee game. Hoiberg is already on the hot seat, though just as many people are calling for Gar and Paxson to be removed due to this terrible fitting team they've put together.
With Butler's tumultuous relationship with management and the fact that he's been shopped before, the Bulls might very well shop him again at the deadline if they don't pick things up. They'll be out of the playoffs for now if they lose to the Bulls tonight, and the Pacers, Pistons, and Magic are all right there with the Bulls fighting to be in the playoffs, let alone the Wizards, Knicks, and Bucks above them.
Bulls looking very dysfunctional again.
Bucks are outclassing them at the moment after already beating them twice this year, and Rondo has been benched this entire Milwaukee game. Hoiberg is already on the hot seat, though just as many people are calling for Gar and Paxson to be removed due to this terrible fitting team they've put together.
With Butler's tumultuous relationship with management and the fact that he's been shopped before, the Bulls might very well shop him again at the deadline if they don't pick things up. They'll be out of the playoffs for now if they lose to the Bulls tonight, and the Pacers, Pistons, and Magic are all right there with the Bulls fighting to be in the playoffs, let alone the Wizards, Knicks, and Bucks above them.
It's definitely possible, but if the Bulls decide to ship Butler I think it would be next summer. Not this January-February.
Bulls still in the hunt so I'd think unless the Bulls have an absolutely horrible January, Butler is staying. Otherwise, it makes zero sense signing Wade and Rondo this off season...
It seems like the Bulls were very close to trading Butler to Minnesota on Draft Night though, but they wanted a certain asset Minny thought was "untouchable" in a sense... which is why it never happened.
Bulls looking very dysfunctional again.
Bucks are outclassing them at the moment after already beating them twice this year, and Rondo has been benched this entire Milwaukee game. Hoiberg is already on the hot seat, though just as many people are calling for Gar and Paxson to be removed due to this terrible fitting team they've put together.
With Butler's tumultuous relationship with management and the fact that he's been shopped before, the Bulls might very well shop him again at the deadline if they don't pick things up. They'll be out of the playoffs for now if they lose to the Bulls tonight, and the Pacers, Pistons, and Magic are all right there with the Bulls fighting to be in the playoffs, let alone the Wizards, Knicks, and Bucks above them.
It's definitely possible, but if the Bulls decide to ship Butler I think it would be next summer. Not this January-February.
Bulls still in the hunt so I'd think unless the Bulls have an absolutely horrible January, Butler is staying. Otherwise, it makes zero sense signing Wade and Rondo this off season...
It seems like the Bulls were very close to trading Butler to Minnesota on Draft Night though, but they wanted a certain asset Minny thought was "untouchable" in a sense... which is why it never happened.
Schedule until February trade deadline:
vs. Hornets
@ Cavs
vs. Raptors
vs. Thunder B2B
@ Wizards B2B
@ Knicks
vs. Pelicans B2B
@ Grizzlies B2B
vs. Mavs
@ Hawks B2B
vs. Kings B2B
@ Magic B2B
vs. Hawks B2B
vs. Heat
vs. 76ers
@ OKC
@ Rockets
@ Kings
@ Warriors
@ Suns
@ Wolves
vs. Raptors
vs. Celtics
That's a pretty rough schedule until the deadline, so it's certainly possible. They play 14 games versus opponents .500 or better, and 8 of them are away from home.
EDIT: We apparently turned down an offer of Crowder, Brown (the Brooklyn pick anyways), and the 2017 Brooklyn pick for Butler at the draft. I've got to say, I'd probably have to do that deal at the moment. You have to remember that Butler is on a very, very friendly contract for several more years, too. He's getting paid at 18.5 and 19.5 for two more years after this season, and in 2019/2020 he has a player option at 19.5 that he'll probably opt out of. He's also one of the few wings in the lead that can effectively guard the Lebrons, Durants, and Kawhis of the world, which is huge.
Bulls looking very dysfunctional again.
Bucks are outclassing them at the moment after already beating them twice this year, and Rondo has been benched this entire Milwaukee game. Hoiberg is already on the hot seat, though just as many people are calling for Gar and Paxson to be removed due to this terrible fitting team they've put together.
With Butler's tumultuous relationship with management and the fact that he's been shopped before, the Bulls might very well shop him again at the deadline if they don't pick things up. They'll be out of the playoffs for now if they lose to the Bulls tonight, and the Pacers, Pistons, and Magic are all right there with the Bulls fighting to be in the playoffs, let alone the Wizards, Knicks, and Bucks above them.
It's definitely possible, but if the Bulls decide to ship Butler I think it would be next summer. Not this January-February.
Bulls still in the hunt so I'd think unless the Bulls have an absolutely horrible January, Butler is staying. Otherwise, it makes zero sense signing Wade and Rondo this off season...
It seems like the Bulls were very close to trading Butler to Minnesota on Draft Night though, but they wanted a certain asset Minny thought was "untouchable" in a sense... which is why it never happened.
Schedule until February trade deadline:
vs. Hornets
@ Cavs
vs. Raptors
vs. Thunder B2B
@ Wizards B2B
@ Knicks
vs. Pelicans B2B
@ Grizzlies B2B
vs. Mavs
@ Hawks B2B
vs. Kings B2B
@ Magic B2B
vs. Hawks B2B
vs. Heat
vs. 76ers
@ OKC
@ Rockets
@ Kings
@ Warriors
@ Suns
@ Wolves
vs. Raptors
vs. Celtics
That's a pretty rough schedule until the deadline, so it's certainly possible. They play 14 games versus opponents .500 or better, and 8 of them are away from home.
EDIT: We apparently turned down an offer of Crowder, Brown (the Brooklyn pick anyways), and the 2017 Brooklyn pick for Butler at the draft. I've got to say, I'd probably have to do that deal at the moment.
Bulls looking very dysfunctional again.
Bucks are outclassing them at the moment after already beating them twice this year, and Rondo has been benched this entire Milwaukee game. Hoiberg is already on the hot seat, though just as many people are calling for Gar and Paxson to be removed due to this terrible fitting team they've put together.
With Butler's tumultuous relationship with management and the fact that he's been shopped before, the Bulls might very well shop him again at the deadline if they don't pick things up. They'll be out of the playoffs for now if they lose to the Bulls tonight, and the Pacers, Pistons, and Magic are all right there with the Bulls fighting to be in the playoffs, let alone the Wizards, Knicks, and Bucks above them.
It's definitely possible, but if the Bulls decide to ship Butler I think it would be next summer. Not this January-February.
Bulls still in the hunt so I'd think unless the Bulls have an absolutely horrible January, Butler is staying. Otherwise, it makes zero sense signing Wade and Rondo this off season...
It seems like the Bulls were very close to trading Butler to Minnesota on Draft Night though, but they wanted a certain asset Minny thought was "untouchable" in a sense... which is why it never happened.
Schedule until February trade deadline:
vs. Hornets
@ Cavs
vs. Raptors
vs. Thunder B2B
@ Wizards B2B
@ Knicks
vs. Pelicans B2B
@ Grizzlies B2B
vs. Mavs
@ Hawks B2B
vs. Kings B2B
@ Magic B2B
vs. Hawks B2B
vs. Heat
vs. 76ers
@ OKC
@ Rockets
@ Kings
@ Warriors
@ Suns
@ Wolves
vs. Raptors
vs. Celtics
That's a pretty rough schedule until the deadline, so it's certainly possible. They play 14 games versus opponents .500 or better, and 8 of them are away from home.
EDIT: We apparently turned down an offer of Crowder, Brown (the Brooklyn pick anyways), and the 2017 Brooklyn pick for Butler at the draft. I've got to say, I'd probably have to do that deal at the moment.
I wouldn't do that deal. Crowder is having a great year, Brown has shown a lot to indicate he'll be a very good player before long, and obviously the Brooklyn pick this year is fantastic. Butler over Crowder and Brown might make us a slightly better team this year, but if so, I don't think it'd be by much, and certainly wouldn't make us any more of a contender, as our Achilles heel of defensive rebounding wouldn't be helped. We'd just be a better version of this good, but not Championship-level team this year. At that price, no way, as it would cost us our best trade pieces to get the big we need more than anything.
Don't get me wrong, I like Butler. But he's not taking us over the top. That package is for a championship player.
Come on, Hornets. Beat them Bulls! I want Butler!
Up 5 with 8 to go!
What is going on with the Knicks? A few weeks ago they may overtake the Celtics for second place in the Atlantic Division.
Come on, Hornets. Beat them Bulls! I want Butler!
Up 5 with 8 to go!
Butler's been EXCEPTIONAL tonight.
Come on, Hornets. Beat them Bulls! I want Butler!
Up 5 with 8 to go!
Butler's been EXCEPTIONAL tonight.
3rd 40 point game this year.
47 points, 15-24 fgs, 16-17 fts, 11 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls, 1 blk!! Come to Boston, plllllleeeeaaaasssseee!
Come on, Hornets. Beat them Bulls! I want Butler!
Up 5 with 8 to go!
Butler's been EXCEPTIONAL tonight.
3rd 40 point game this year.
47 points, 15-24 fgs, 16-17 fts, 11 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls, 1 blk!! Come to Boston, plllllleeeeaaaasssseee!
Make it 49. Lol just like IT, Butler has carried the Bulls on his back today and is rewarded a win.
Come on, Hornets. Beat them Bulls! I want Butler!
Up 5 with 8 to go!
Butler's been EXCEPTIONAL tonight.
3rd 40 point game this year.
47 points, 15-24 fgs, 16-17 fts, 11 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls, 1 blk!! Come to Boston, plllllleeeeaaaasssseee!
Make it 49. Lol just like IT, Butler has carried the Bulls on his back today and is rewarded a win.
Make it 50!
EDIT: Ended with 52, 15-24 fgs, 21-22 fts, 11 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls, and 1 blk. Craziness. Not quite as big as Harden's triple double the other night, but Butler plays defense, too. Would love this kid in Boston.
Wow, it's barely the New Year and they've already tied the record for most different players hitting 50:
Klay (60)
Cousins
Harden
Wall
IT
Butler
Westbrook
AD
And none of them are Steph or Durant. Lot of great players and effective offense this year.
Wow, it's barely the New Year and they've already tied the record for most different players hitting 50:
Klay (60)
Cousins
Harden
Wall
IT
Butler
Westbrook
AD
And none of them are Steph or Durant. Lot of great players and effective offense this year.
It's interesting to me that as the league trends toward more ball movement and outside shooting, it feels like we're actually seeing a sudden uptick this season in superlative individual scoring, both in terms of season-long averages and in terms of individual performances.
Come on, Hornets. Beat them Bulls! I want Butler!
Up 5 with 8 to go!
Butler's been EXCEPTIONAL tonight.
3rd 40 point game this year.
47 points, 15-24 fgs, 16-17 fts, 11 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls, 1 blk!! Come to Boston, plllllleeeeaaaasssseee!
Make it 49. Lol just like IT, Butler has carried the Bulls on his back today and is rewarded a win.
Make it 50!
EDIT: Ended with 52, 15-24 fgs, 21-22 fts, 11 rebs, 6 asts, 3 stls, and 1 blk. Craziness. Not quite as big as Harden's triple double the other night, but Butler plays defense, too. Would love this kid in Boston.
Unfortunately as much as you rate him, chicago fans and management rate him about double that. To the point of making me physically ill.
Embiid vs. KAT on LP. Might be worth catching half an hour before the Celts game.
Embiid vs. KAT on LP. Might be worth catching half an hour before the Celts game.
Nice. Luwawu turning out to be a player would help me out a lot w/ a fantasy rebuild. I think he's getting Henderson's mins (injury) for a brief stint.
Embiid vs. KAT on LP. Might be worth catching half an hour before the Celts game.
Nice. Luwawu turning out to be a player would help me out a lot w/ a fantasy rebuild. I think he's getting Henderson's mins (injury) for a brief stint.
He's getting minutes alright, but I'm not sure he's done much with them, and he definitely should not be bringing the ball up the court lol. Nerlens is looking pretty solid. Minnesota's offense is looking pretty putrid. It seems like every possession ends with a crappy mid-range jumper. Just a few observations.
Julius Randle with a Triple Double against the Grizzlies. Why did Anige draft Smart? ;)No Smart plays "winning basketball". Good statistics aren't his thing
Julius Randle with a Triple Double against the Grizzlies. Why did Anige draft Smart? ;)
Who do we want to win the Dallas vs Phoenix game? This is a tough choice!
Who do we want to win the Dallas vs Phoenix game? This is a tough choice!
I'm leaning Phoenix, but it's a win-win.
Grizzlies have come back from 23 down at Golden State to tie the game 7 seconds to go!
How can Portland be so terrible?
Epic chokejob from the Warriors.
Rubio is of the worst guards in the NBA. Tibs might be one of the worst coaches.I don't know what game you were watching, Rubio looked really solid tonight.
He may look solid in the game, but him just being on the floor just stagnates the game. Just check this video out:Rubio is of the worst guards in the NBA. Tibs might be one of the worst coaches.I don't know what game you were watching, Rubio looked really solid tonight.
Man, this could be big for us. The Raps have a game against the fresh Rockets tomorrow night, so if they drop that game and we beat them on Tuesday, which will be the third game in four nights for them, we'll be tied in the standings at number two!
Man, this could be big for us. The Raps have a game against the fresh Rockets tomorrow night, so if they drop that game and we beat them on Tuesday, which will be the third game in four nights for them, we'll be tied in the standings at number two!
Yup......Rockets can come though
It will playoff atmosphere at the Garden
Man, this could be big for us. The Raps have a game against the fresh Rockets tomorrow night, so if they drop that game and we beat them on Tuesday, which will be the third game in four nights for them, we'll be tied in the standings at number two!
Yup......Rockets can come though
It will playoff atmosphere at the Garden
That might be true, but the game is in Toronto
Good Lord, these Raptors announcers are incredibly biased and annoying. Can't wait until we "get" to listen to them on Tuesday. ::)
Houston starting to run away with this game! The 2nd seed is in reach, boys!
Houston starting to run away with this game! The 2nd seed is in reach, boys!
Could be a very good day for the C's, but Houston-Toronto is not over by a longshot. 6 point lead with more than 5 minutes left.
The Spurs and Rockets are BOTH just within 2 games back of Golden State for the #1 seed.
Come playoff time.. their lack of bench depth and size should cost them honestly.
Even with their "BIG 4 Superteam"... fatigue and injuries could play a part.
Or maybe this is just what I hope happens and the Warriors will just steamroll through the playoffs.
Kings up big on GS in the 2nd quarter. If they somehow hold on and pull this off, it would be huge for their hopes of keeping Cousins and aiming for a playoff spot.
The Spurs and Rockets are BOTH just within 2 games back of Golden State for the #1 seed.
Come playoff time.. their lack of bench depth and size should cost them honestly.
Even with their "BIG 4 Superteam"... fatigue and injuries could play a part.
Or maybe this is just what I hope happens and the Warriors will just steamroll through the playoffs.
Didn't Red once say it takes 8 guys to win a championship? GS has only 4, so they certainly have weaknesses.
Suns are making a game of it vs. Cleveland. Down 3 headed to the 4th. Don't expect they'll pull it off, but crazier things have happened.
Suns are making a game of it vs. Cleveland. Down 3 headed to the 4th. Don't expect they'll pull it off, but crazier things have happened.
Would n t hold my breath :)
Suns are making a game of it vs. Cleveland. Down 3 headed to the 4th. Don't expect they'll pull it off, but crazier things have happened.
Would n t hold my breath :)
Well it's a 4 point Cleveland lead. Suns keeping it close still.
The Spurs and Rockets are BOTH just within 2 games back of Golden State for the #1 seed.
Come playoff time.. their lack of bench depth and size should cost them honestly.
Even with their "BIG 4 Superteam"... fatigue and injuries could play a part.
Or maybe this is just what I hope happens and the Warriors will just steamroll through the playoffs.
Didn't Red once say it takes 8 guys to win a championship? GS has only 4, so they certainly have weaknesses.
I'd say Iggy, Zaza, and Livingston are a fine 5-7.
Who do we want to win the Dallas vs Phoenix game? This is a tough choice!
Through 1 quarter, Butler has 1 point, 2 assists and 2 rebounds in 12 minutes.
Bulls down 31-20 to the Thunder.
#JimmyButlerWatch #MoreRumors
Woj:
Sources: There are team officials, teammates and close associates unclear of reason for Derrick Rose's absence for Knicks-Pelicans at MSG.
Ruh-roh. Hope it's just drama stuff and nothing actually bad's happened to him. But this can't be good either way.
Through 1 quarter, Butler has 1 point, 2 assists and 2 rebounds in 12 minutes.
Bulls down 31-20 to the Thunder.
#JimmyButlerWatch #MoreRumors
I think if I were a Thunder fan, I'd wake up every morning thinking - "We had Durant, Westbrook and Harden...." I realize there is only one ball, but these are possibly 3 of the top 5 players in the league (I just viewed a power ranking that had them 3 of the top 4 in the league) -- all within one year of age of one another and all still young. Despite still having Westbrook, I would be shaking my head daily.
Woj:
Sources: There are team officials, teammates and close associates unclear of reason for Derrick Rose's absence for Knicks-Pelicans at MSG.
Ruh-roh. Hope it's just drama stuff and nothing actually bad's happened to him. But this can't be good either way.
Woj:
Sources: There are team officials, teammates and close associates unclear of reason for Derrick Rose's absence for Knicks-Pelicans at MSG.
Ruh-roh. Hope it's just drama stuff and nothing actually bad's happened to him. But this can't be good either way.
No one can even get in contact with him. This is kinda crazy...
Woj:
Sources: There are team officials, teammates and close associates unclear of reason for Derrick Rose's absence for Knicks-Pelicans at MSG.
Ruh-roh. Hope it's just drama stuff and nothing actually bad's happened to him. But this can't be good either way.
No one can even get in contact with him. This is kinda crazy...
I guess he was benched last game, so he might just be ghosting everyone for a day or two and pouting somewhere, but it's not a good sign regardless.
Woj:
Sources: There are team officials, teammates and close associates unclear of reason for Derrick Rose's absence for Knicks-Pelicans at MSG.
Ruh-roh. Hope it's just drama stuff and nothing actually bad's happened to him. But this can't be good either way.
No one can even get in contact with him. This is kinda crazy...
I guess he was benched last game, so he might just be ghosting everyone for a day or two and pouting somewhere, but it's not a good sign regardless.
Knicks getting booed as they leave the court. Fair to say someone is on the hot seat in New York.
And call me crazy, but I'd still like Anthony here at the right price. He's pretty much an ideal fit at the small-ball 4 for us.
Knicks getting booed as they leave the court. Fair to say someone is on the hot seat in New York.
And call me crazy, but I'd still like Anthony here at the right price. He's pretty much an ideal fit at the small-ball 4 for us.
Knicks getting booed as they leave the court. Fair to say someone is on the hot seat in New York.
And call me crazy, but I'd still like Anthony here at the right price. He's pretty much an ideal fit at the small-ball 4 for us.
I was thinking the same for a while now! Melo would be a great fit for us for this year and next year or two. He still has enough left in the tank.
Knicks getting booed as they leave the court. Fair to say someone is on the hot seat in New York.
And call me crazy, but I'd still like Anthony here at the right price. He's pretty much an ideal fit at the small-ball 4 for us.
It should be Phil's for half-assing this rebuild. They sucked for one year, got Porzingis, and then went "all-in" with a flawed roster of declining players. Instead of just properly rebuilding around Porzingis, he decided to retool around an aging Melo.
got a glimpse of 1st qtr Bulls-Wizards, Rondo's playing again, and playing great.
I like the Wizards, their bench is bad, but the starters are playing excellently
got a glimpse of 1st qtr Bulls-Wizards, Rondo's playing again, and playing great.
I like the Wizards, their bench is bad, but the starters are playing excellently
Wizard take the lead over the Bulls. They came back.
Wizard take the lead over the Bulls. They came back.
Wizard take the lead over the Bulls. They came back.
Good for the Butler watch! :P
Gordon Hayward balling up the Cavs...maybe he is the missing piece, and that maybe Crowder does need to be replaced after his latest performance?
Embiid just left the court limping. All aboard the Malcolm Brogdon Rookie of the Year Hype Train.
Has there ever been a rookie of the year average less than 10 points?
Would Malcolm Brogdon and his averages of 9.1 points, 3.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists 0.9 steals with admittedly great shooting percentages (45%/42%/88%) be worse? Because the 24 year old 2nd rounder has been the darling of the dreadful 2016 draft thus far.Embiid just left the court limping. All aboard the Malcolm Brogdon Rookie of the Year Hype Train.
Has there ever been a rookie of the year average less than 10 points?
Mike Miller is the worst RoY that I can think of. 12ppg, 4rpg, 2apg with bad defense.
Embiid just left the court limping. All aboard the Malcolm Brogdon Rookie of the Year Hype Train.Just rolled his ankle I guess. He's back in the 2nd half.
Has there ever been a rookie of the year average less than 10 points?
Would Malcolm Brogdon and his averages of 9.1 points, 3.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists 0.9 steals with admittedly great shooting percentages (45%/42%/88%) be worse? Because the 24 year old 2nd rounder has been the darling of the dreadful 2016 draft thus far.Embiid just left the court limping. All aboard the Malcolm Brogdon Rookie of the Year Hype Train.
Has there ever been a rookie of the year average less than 10 points?
Mike Miller is the worst RoY that I can think of. 12ppg, 4rpg, 2apg with bad defense.
Embiid just left the court limping. All aboard the Malcolm Brogdon Rookie of the Year Hype Train.
Has there ever been a rookie of the year average less than 10 points?
Mike Miller is the worst RoY that I can think of. 12ppg, 4rpg, 2apg with bad defense.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Lol yeah... The "losing culture" thing has always been nonsense. Look how miserable these guys look: https://vine.co/v/5YEJb0JIFvgEmbiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
Lol yeah... The "losing culture" thing has always been nonsense. Look how miserable these guys look: https://vine.co/v/5YEJb0JIFvgEmbiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
Looks like you guys officially surpassed your win total from last season and there's still 46 games left to play. That's what happens when a team adds a superstar prospect. Philly was down 10 with 2 minutes in the game, they put Embiid back in the game - and they win. Can't imagine how much better Philly is going to be when Embiid starts playing over 30 minutes per game and their other franchise prospect finally suits up.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
This guy serious?
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You won 50 games over the past three seasons and had 3 shots at a good NBA center, you finally stumbled across a really good one, and you're suddenly under the impression that there was never a culture of losing?
It was well worth that 3 years of being a laughing stock. You're so close to that elusive championship now. Its just around the corner.
I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
Would Philly do 2017 and 2018 Nets First round pick for Embiid? Celtics taking a gamble, Sixers getting a strong offer.philly is not gonna trade their process unless it's lebron/curry/davis
Would Philly do 2017 and 2018 Nets First round pick for Embiid? Celtics taking a gamble, Sixers getting a strong offer.philly is not gonna trade their process unless it's lebron/curry/davis
Uh oh, Love just went down holding his left knee after stepping on another player's foot.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
This guy serious?
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/choofed.gif)
You won 50 games over the past three seasons and had 3 shots at a good NBA center, you finally stumbled across a really good one, and you're suddenly under the impression that there was never a culture of losing?
It was well worth that 3 years of being a laughing stock. You're so close to that elusive championship now. Its just around the corner.
I'd gladly take three years of a "culture of losing" for Embiid. I don't think I've ever seen a player with such little experience that is as good as him. Embiid has a chance to be a perennial all-NBA first team player.
And that doesn't even address the roster flexibility. Philly is in the running for any star that hits the trade market.
I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
Would Philly do 2017 and 2018 Nets First round pick for Embiid? Celtics taking a gamble, Sixers getting a strong offer.
I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
I know people want to believe Nerlens would be OK staying, but barring a MAX deal from the 76ers, he wants to move on from my understanding
Noel was told after his "I'm not a 8 minute player" rant to stay quiet and let the 76ers do what they need to do.
Not any offer but I think they ultimately move him [Noel] before the deadline.
As I tweeted a few times. I don't think either are in the grand scheme for the 76ers. They have more time with Okafor
Clock is not ticking on Okafor as it is for Noel. 76ers have time on an Okafor deal. I don't think both are in long-term for the 76ers
Maybe, but like I said, the vibe I got from the situation is 76ers will move Nerlens before the deadline.
That is fine, but my understanding if neither party wants to stay together, so that is always bad when you hold a guy hostage.
Indiana got torched by Denver. With Toronto unable to get an above average PF, it looks like Cleveland won't lose more than 3 games en route to the Finals.
Indiana got torched by Denver. With Toronto unable to get an above average PF, it looks like Cleveland won't lose more than 3 games en route to the Finals.
Cleveland does have some issues with depth and have been losing a bit recently. They only have 3 less loses than the raptors at this point and definitely are missing the depth of Jr Smith and Delly at the moment. If they don't upgrade the backup point (which I assume they will since Lebron asked) they would lose more than 3 games en route to the finals.
Also despite an 8 page thread where people talked about the Korver trade and the impact he is averaging 2 points a game in 20 minutes for them. I am sure he will have his moments as the season progresses but he is 35 and pretty washed up. He is not the savior the ESPN frontpage article and reaction of NBA players made him out to be.
His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
This guy serious?
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You won 50 games over the past three seasons and had 3 shots at a good NBA center, you finally stumbled across a really good one, and you're suddenly under the impression that there was never a culture of losing?
It was well worth that 3 years of being a laughing stock. You're so close to that elusive championship now. Its just around the corner.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
I mean, congrats and all, but the team with the best record you've beaten in that time is the now 17-23 Knicks who are on a 10-game losing streak. But yeah, being 5th-worst instead of absolute worst is progress of some sort.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
LOL! You want proof that there's a losing culture in Philly - you're over here bragging about a .306 winning percentage with a record of 11-25. lol The proof is in the pudding.
We don't know how badly Noel's value has actually been hurt. He's also a RFA which tends to limit offers. I was surprised the Bucks were able to sign Middleton so cheap. The Sixers just have to offer the minimum qualifying offer and then see what offers Noel gets. What if Noel's best offer is 4yr/40M and the Sixers are willing to offer 4yr/60M?His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
We don't know how badly Noel's value has actually been hurt. He's also a RFA which tends to limit offers. I was surprised the Bucks were able to sign Middleton so cheap. The Sixers just have to offer the minimum qualifying offer and then see what offers Noel gets. What if Noel's best offer is 4yr/40M and the Sixers are willing to offer 4yr/60M?His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
are you comparing Jeryd Balyss and a rookie Ben Simmons to Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford?Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
I mean, congrats and all, but the team with the best record you've beaten in that time is the now 17-23 Knicks who are on a 10-game losing streak. But yeah, being 5th-worst instead of absolute worst is progress of some sort.
This is still pretty clearly a bottom 5 team, probably bottom 3.
But... Where exactly do you think the Celtics would be right now if their starting PG and PF had played in a combined 71 minutes this year?
You think a:
Smart-Rozier
Bradley
Brown
Crowder
Johnson
Lineup is not bottom 10? Or maybe Brown sits for a 3 guard lineup, because those have worked great this year...
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
LOL! You want proof that there's a losing culture in Philly - you're over here bragging about a .306 winning percentage with a record of 11-25. lol The proof is in the pudding.
This coming from a fanbase that has been thumping it's chest about 1st round playoff exits and Kevin Durant not signing here but saying nice things after he shot down their offer?
Ok then.
I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
Have you not been paying attention? This draft is projected to be very good and deep especially at PG and SF. With their pick and the Lakers pick, the Sixers will get two good prospects at positions they need. Add those 2 prospects to Embiid and Simmons and they'll have a very good young core. They also have some good young support players/prospects: Covington, Saric, Luwawu, Kormaz (stashed). Haven't even mentioned Noel or Okafor.Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
LOL! You want proof that there's a losing culture in Philly - you're over here bragging about a .306 winning percentage with a record of 11-25. lol The proof is in the pudding.
This coming from a fanbase that has been thumping it's chest about 1st round playoff exits and Kevin Durant not signing here but saying nice things after he shot down their offer?
Ok then.
More like this coming from a fanbase that has 17 championships to a measly 3 championships; been in the playoffs the last two years; won more games last year than you did in the previous three years; and is currently beating you in the tankathon race, all while being the third best team in the East compared to the third worst team in the NBA. ;)
It's going to be hilarious when the Sixers' actual taste of not completely sucking this year makes them fall back to fifth in the draft and you're yet again unable to add a competent guard to that mismatched roster of yours. Have fun with TJ freaking McConnell hitting game winners for you guys to put you even futher out of reach of having any actual NBA guards! ;D
I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
(http://i.imgur.com/M6EM8Fr.jpg)
Sounds like if Philly listened to Kyler, Joel Embiid would be on his way out the door and Noel would be the franchise center.
*shrug*
What's clear is that Noel's trade value is has at least doubled in the past month and Philly is gelling. Your very own Kyler considers him a star. If he ends up in the backup 25-30 minute per night role (similar to Marcus Smart here), maybe it works out for them long-term. With Embiid as a budding future superstar, Noel would probably be the best backup center in the league. They'd have 48 minutes per night of elite big man defense.
I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
Sure, if you ignore reality and pretty much only listen to fans on LibertyBallers.
It's widely reported that Noel does not want to stay there outside of the max, which they're certainly not going to give to a backup player behind Embiid, because he's not a backup big and doesn't want to be one. And even if they would be willing to do something that stupid, which they aren't, mind you, it's clear that that's not a move that good organizations make.
Here's Kyler talking about it recently:
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819303748384280577QuoteI know people want to believe Nerlens would be OK staying, but barring a MAX deal from the 76ers, he wants to move on from my understanding
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819304238748696576QuoteNoel was told after his "I'm not a 8 minute player" rant to stay quiet and let the 76ers do what they need to do.
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819312668830003201QuoteNot any offer but I think they ultimately move him [Noel] before the deadline.
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819313357920600066QuoteAs I tweeted a few times. I don't think either are in the grand scheme for the 76ers. They have more time with Okafor
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819527588976726020QuoteClock is not ticking on Okafor as it is for Noel. 76ers have time on an Okafor deal. I don't think both are in long-term for the 76ers
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819528335432843264QuoteMaybe, but like I said, the vibe I got from the situation is 76ers will move Nerlens before the deadline.
https://twitter.com/stevekylerNBA/status/819530228867485698QuoteThat is fine, but my understanding if neither party wants to stay together, so that is always bad when you hold a guy hostage.
So, yeah, it's pretty obvious that he's getting traded. Sure, they're not going to trade him for a bad contract like Mozgov or something, but they're clearly not going to get anywhere near what they want for him. They'll trade him at the deadline, even if it's for something as simple as a conditional first round pick, middling prospect, and salary filler.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
This guy serious?
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You won 50 games over the past three seasons and had 3 shots at a good NBA center, you finally stumbled across a really good one, and you're suddenly under the impression that there was never a culture of losing?
It was well worth that 3 years of being a laughing stock. You're so close to that elusive championship now. Its just around the corner.
And you're closer? :o
You've been blasted out of the first round two years in a row, you're a year away from tossing max money to a 5'9 guard who relies on his athleticism to score, your 2nd best player is making 30 million dollars in a bid for him to peak at his previous career apex which was a non-competitive ECF with LeBron, and you basically are playing the same "dear god please let us win the lottery this year" game we played for the last 3 with the illusion of "contending" in the mean time.
What exactly is a culture of losing? The team lost because the few good players they had good were hurt, they had an empty cupboard thanks to the Bynum trade and they didn't shoot their wad on the Aaron Afflalo and Marco Belinelli's of the world to pretend like this was going to be anything other than a long process.
Losing culture is nonsense idiots made up so they could thump their chests over a pair of sub 50 win seasons in which the Celtics got run off the court in the first round despite playing in the weaker NBA conference. Huzzah!
Guess what? I played that game for half a decade with Iverson following the Finals run, it doesn't mean anything.
Have you not been paying attention? This draft is projected to be very good and deep especially at PG and SF. With their pick and the Lakers pick, the Sixers will get two good prospects at positions they need. Add those 2 prospects to Embiid and Simmons and they'll have a very good young core. They also have some good young support players/prospects: Covington, Saric, Luwawu, Kormaz (stashed). Haven't even mentioned Noel or Okafor.Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
LOL! You want proof that there's a losing culture in Philly - you're over here bragging about a .306 winning percentage with a record of 11-25. lol The proof is in the pudding.
This coming from a fanbase that has been thumping it's chest about 1st round playoff exits and Kevin Durant not signing here but saying nice things after he shot down their offer?
Ok then.
More like this coming from a fanbase that has 17 championships to a measly 3 championships; been in the playoffs the last two years; won more games last year than you did in the previous three years; and is currently beating you in the tankathon race, all while being the third best team in the East compared to the third worst team in the NBA. ;)
It's going to be hilarious when the Sixers' actual taste of not completely sucking this year makes them fall back to fifth in the draft and you're yet again unable to add a competent guard to that mismatched roster of yours. Have fun with TJ freaking McConnell hitting game winners for you guys to put you even futher out of reach of having any actual NBA guards! ;D
I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
(http://i.imgur.com/M6EM8Fr.jpg)
Sounds like if Philly listened to Kyler, Joel Embiid would be on his way out the door and Noel would be the franchise center.
*shrug*
What's clear is that Noel's trade value is has at least doubled in the past month and Philly is gelling. Your very own Kyler considers him a star. If he ends up in the backup 25-30 minute per night role (similar to Marcus Smart here), maybe it works out for them long-term. With Embiid as a budding future superstar, Noel would probably be the best backup center in the league. They'd have 48 minutes per night of elite big man defense.
LOL! First off, that's just a bold-faced, outright lie, because I *literally* posted at least a half dozen of his tweets regarding the Noel trade situation in the past two days lol Nice try, though.
He's a very reputable NBA insider, and he knows what he's talking about. And he was obviously talking about Embiid and Simmons in that particular tweet, not Noel. He simply misspoke, and the context shows that pretty clearly.
Add Fox and Ntilikina to your list of PGs. Personally I put both of them above Smith. On the LibertyBallers site, there is a lot of support for Ntilikina (6'5", 6'11" wingspan) as their PG choice if they don't get Fultz. Getting Jackson or Tatum and Ntilikina would be a nice fallback if they miss out on Fultz.Have you not been paying attention? This draft is projected to be very good and deep especially at PG and SF. With their pick and the Lakers pick, the Sixers will get two good prospects at positions they need. Add those 2 prospects to Embiid and Simmons and they'll have a very good young core. They also have some good young support players/prospects: Covington, Saric, Luwawu, Kormaz (stashed). Haven't even mentioned Noel or Okafor.Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
LOL! You want proof that there's a losing culture in Philly - you're over here bragging about a .306 winning percentage with a record of 11-25. lol The proof is in the pudding.
This coming from a fanbase that has been thumping it's chest about 1st round playoff exits and Kevin Durant not signing here but saying nice things after he shot down their offer?
Ok then.
More like this coming from a fanbase that has 17 championships to a measly 3 championships; been in the playoffs the last two years; won more games last year than you did in the previous three years; and is currently beating you in the tankathon race, all while being the third best team in the East compared to the third worst team in the NBA. ;)
It's going to be hilarious when the Sixers' actual taste of not completely sucking this year makes them fall back to fifth in the draft and you're yet again unable to add a competent guard to that mismatched roster of yours. Have fun with TJ freaking McConnell hitting game winners for you guys to put you even futher out of reach of having any actual NBA guards! ;D
I was specifically talking about guards, and there's three primary guards that are headlining this draft - Fultz, Ball, and Smith. If they finish fifth or worse, they're probably stuck with taking a SF in Jackson or Tatum, which are still good gets but not what they were hoping for this draft, since they are by far the weakest in the guard department.
.I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
(http://i.imgur.com/M6EM8Fr.jpg)
Sounds like if Philly listened to Kyler, Joel Embiid would be on his way out the door and Noel would be the franchise center.
*shrug*
What's clear is that Noel's trade value is has at least doubled in the past month and Philly is gelling. Your very own Kyler considers him a star. If he ends up in the backup 25-30 minute per night role (similar to Marcus Smart here), maybe it works out for them long-term. With Embiid as a budding future superstar, Noel would probably be the best backup center in the league. They'd have 48 minutes per night of elite big man defense.
LOL! First off, that's just a bold-faced, outright lie, because I *literally* posted at least a half dozen of his tweets regarding the Noel trade situation in the past two days lol Nice try, though.
He's a very reputable NBA insider, and he knows what he's talking about. And he was obviously talking about Embiid and Simmons in that particular tweet, not Noel. He simply misspoke, and the context shows that pretty clearly.
I dunno dude that seems like pure speculation. Tweet don't lie. He very clearly says Noel/Simmons are the stars and the rest of the team should be traded. I would take what that guy says with a grain of salt.
I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
(http://i.imgur.com/M6EM8Fr.jpg)
Sounds like if Philly listened to Kyler, Joel Embiid would be on his way out the door and Noel would be the franchise center.
*shrug*
What's clear is that Noel's trade value is has at least doubled in the past month and Philly is gelling. Your very own Kyler considers him a star. If he ends up in the backup 25-30 minute per night role (similar to Marcus Smart here), maybe it works out for them long-term. With Embiid as a budding future superstar, Noel would probably be the best backup center in the league. They'd have 48 minutes per night of elite big man defense.
Now that he's playing Noel is at least displaying the proper attitude whether or not he really means it.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20170113_Noel__definitely_satisfied__with_role_on_Sixers.html
Noel was told after his "I'm not a 8 minute player" rant to stay quiet and let the 76ers do what they need to do.
"You now see how comfortable I can feel throughout the duration of the season, being at the place that I am at," Noel said. "So, right now, I feel pretty good. So we will just have to see."
"At this moment in time, I'm definitely satisfied with where I'm at and the team's rotation," Noel said. "I think I'm able to go out there and still affect the game, change the game multiple ways."
i think that just speaks to how rapidly trade value changes over time. Within a matter of minutes Kyler went from blindly speculating that Noel would be traded to suddenly changing his mind and calling Noel one of the team's only two untradeable stars. Sounds like this kyler guy had a change of heart.I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
(http://i.imgur.com/M6EM8Fr.jpg)
Sounds like if Philly listened to Kyler, Joel Embiid would be on his way out the door and Noel would be the franchise center.
*shrug*
What's clear is that Noel's trade value is has at least doubled in the past month and Philly is gelling. Your very own Kyler considers him a star. If he ends up in the backup 25-30 minute per night role (similar to Marcus Smart here), maybe it works out for them long-term. With Embiid as a budding future superstar, Noel would probably be the best backup center in the league. They'd have 48 minutes per night of elite big man defense.
That's just a typo by Kyler. He obviously meant Embiid and Simmons are the stars, not Noel. He literally said in his immediately preceding tweet: "the vibe I got from the situation is 76ers will move Nerlens before the deadline." For someone who's so good at finding tweets, you could at least look one tweet down...
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
LOL! You want proof that there's a losing culture in Philly - you're over here bragging about a .306 winning percentage with a record of 11-25. lol The proof is in the pudding.
This coming from a fanbase that has been thumping it's chest about 1st round playoff exits and Kevin Durant not signing here but saying nice things after he shot down their offer?
Ok then.
More like this coming from a fanbase that has 17 championships to a measly 3 championships; been in the playoffs the last two years; won more games last year than you did in the previous three years; and is currently beating you in the tankathon race, all while being the third best team in the East compared to the third worst team in the NBA. ;)
It's going to be hilarious when the Sixers' actual taste of not completely sucking this year makes them fall back to fifth in the draft and you're yet again unable to add a competent guard to that mismatched roster of yours. Have fun with TJ freaking McConnell hitting game winners for you guys to put you even futher out of reach of having any actual NBA guards! ;D
are you comparing Jeryd Balyss and a rookie Ben Simmons to Isaiah Thomas and Al Horford?Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
I mean, congrats and all, but the team with the best record you've beaten in that time is the now 17-23 Knicks who are on a 10-game losing streak. But yeah, being 5th-worst instead of absolute worst is progress of some sort.
This is still pretty clearly a bottom 5 team, probably bottom 3.
But... Where exactly do you think the Celtics would be right now if their starting PG and PF had played in a combined 71 minutes this year?
You think a:
Smart-Rozier
Bradley
Brown
Crowder
Johnson
Lineup is not bottom 10? Or maybe Brown sits for a 3 guard lineup, because those have worked great this year...
Is that really the point you are making?
On losing culture, Ive always felt it was bull**** in "learning how to win". I do believe it hinders player development. I think that both Okafor and Noel have seen their developments stunted by Phillys lack of competitive basketball. First, Philly often gets half-efforts from other teams. Second, the open tanking policy of the Sixers led to guys sitting out a ton of basketball and overall creating what I felt like was a negative atmosphere for player development.
I truly believe that, even on other bottom-feeders(except the Kings) both Noel and Okafor would have developed better even if they were on the same team.
However, this is just a casualty of the process. Any team would trade some prospect development to get Embiid and Simmons.
My conclusion: Losing culture exists and hurts teams, but can be wiped away in a second and doesnt hurt you in any lens outside of player development.
Article on playoff experience which is kinda similar to "winning culture"
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/01/04/does-playoff-experience-matter-belichick-says-no/
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
This guy serious?
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/choofed.gif)
You won 50 games over the past three seasons and had 3 shots at a good NBA center, you finally stumbled across a really good one, and you're suddenly under the impression that there was never a culture of losing?
It was well worth that 3 years of being a laughing stock. You're so close to that elusive championship now. Its just around the corner.
And you're closer? :o
You've been blasted out of the first round two years in a row, you're a year away from tossing max money to a 5'9 guard who relies on his athleticism to score, your 2nd best player is making 30 million dollars in a bid for him to peak at his previous career apex which was a non-competitive ECF with LeBron, and you basically are playing the same "dear god please let us win the lottery this year" game we played for the last 3 with the illusion of "contending" in the mean time.
What exactly is a culture of losing? The team lost because the few good players they had good were hurt, they had an empty cupboard thanks to the Bynum trade and they didn't shoot their wad on the Aaron Afflalo and Marco Belinelli's of the world to pretend like this was going to be anything other than a long process.
Losing culture is nonsense idiots made up so they could thump their chests over a pair of sub 50 win seasons in which the Celtics got run off the court in the first round despite playing in the weaker NBA conference. Huzzah!
Guess what? I played that game for half a decade with Iverson following the Finals run, it doesn't mean anything.
Boohoo. I'm sorry that my team wins games and lets me enjoy myself while we still get good picks in the draft. Your team without two 29 year old vets is still god awful. Don't get delusions of grandeur of your "young developing roster".
And yes, having a team that makes playoffs and has playoff experience is far closer to winning another championship than a cellar dwellar with zero experience of high pressure situations. That is basic, simple logic.
Thanks for repeatedly melting so hard on another team's board though. Its been a gas to read.
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
LOL! You want proof that there's a losing culture in Philly - you're over here bragging about a .306 winning percentage with a record of 11-25. lol The proof is in the pudding.
This coming from a fanbase that has been thumping it's chest about 1st round playoff exits and Kevin Durant not signing here but saying nice things after he shot down their offer?
Ok then.
More like this coming from a fanbase that has 17 championships to a measly 3 championships; been in the playoffs the last two years; won more games last year than you did in the previous three years; and is currently beating you in the tankathon race, all while being the third best team in the East compared to the third worst team in the NBA. ;)
It's going to be hilarious when the Sixers' actual taste of not completely sucking this year makes them fall back to fifth in the draft and you're yet again unable to add a competent guard to that mismatched roster of yours. Have fun with TJ freaking McConnell hitting game winners for you guys to put you even futher out of reach of having any actual NBA guards! ;D
Yes. Fail to add a competent guard with the 5th pick. You do realize that like 5 of the top 7 prospects are point guards or combo guards? And the other two guys would still fit in our lineup? And we have the Lakers pick. And an unprotected Kings pick in '19. And a ton of cap space. But yeah, that's tragic.
And I love citing championships from the Vietnam war era like they've in any way affected either of us. In my life the Celtics have made two Finals and won one championship, the Sixers have made 1 finals and lost. Ohhhhh nooooo. You're the basketball equivalent of a Yankees fan bragging about Babe Ruth, or a Ford F-150 driver bragging about the Model T. Nobody cares.
i think that just speaks to how rapidly trade value changes over time. Within a matter of minutes Kyler went from blindly speculating that Noel would be traded to suddenly changing his mind and calling Noel one of the team's only two untradeable stars. Sounds like this kyler guy had a change of heart.I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
(http://i.imgur.com/M6EM8Fr.jpg)
Sounds like if Philly listened to Kyler, Joel Embiid would be on his way out the door and Noel would be the franchise center.
*shrug*
What's clear is that Noel's trade value is has at least doubled in the past month and Philly is gelling. Your very own Kyler considers him a star. If he ends up in the backup 25-30 minute per night role (similar to Marcus Smart here), maybe it works out for them long-term. With Embiid as a budding future superstar, Noel would probably be the best backup center in the league. They'd have 48 minutes per night of elite big man defense.
That's just a typo by Kyler. He obviously meant Embiid and Simmons are the stars, not Noel. He literally said in his immediately preceding tweet: "the vibe I got from the situation is 76ers will move Nerlens before the deadline." For someone who's so good at finding tweets, you could at least look one tweet down...
Embiid and the 76ers have won 4 of their last 5 (barely lost to us). Great for the Nets pick. Simmons might be back within the next couple months. They have been playing great since Noel returned.
Not possible. We have a losing culture.
The fact that we suddenly had a massive influx of talent including a 7'2 pterodactyl who can shoot 3s is irrelevant, the fact that once the talent assembled got healthy they improved dramatically is irrelevant. Nope the Sixers are winless regardless of wins this year because of culture.
What is a losing culture? ROFL if you don't know then you obviously have one, it's not something idiots make up because they can't logically refute losing games to acquire a Center who had an off night and went for 21 and 14.
This guy serious?
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/choofed.gif)
You won 50 games over the past three seasons and had 3 shots at a good NBA center, you finally stumbled across a really good one, and you're suddenly under the impression that there was never a culture of losing?
It was well worth that 3 years of being a laughing stock. You're so close to that elusive championship now. Its just around the corner.
And you're closer? :o
You've been blasted out of the first round two years in a row, you're a year away from tossing max money to a 5'9 guard who relies on his athleticism to score, your 2nd best player is making 30 million dollars in a bid for him to peak at his previous career apex which was a non-competitive ECF with LeBron, and you basically are playing the same "dear god please let us win the lottery this year" game we played for the last 3 with the illusion of "contending" in the mean time.
What exactly is a culture of losing? The team lost because the few good players they had good were hurt, they had an empty cupboard thanks to the Bynum trade and they didn't shoot their wad on the Aaron Afflalo and Marco Belinelli's of the world to pretend like this was going to be anything other than a long process.
Losing culture is nonsense idiots made up so they could thump their chests over a pair of sub 50 win seasons in which the Celtics got run off the court in the first round despite playing in the weaker NBA conference. Huzzah!
Guess what? I played that game for half a decade with Iverson following the Finals run, it doesn't mean anything.
Boohoo. I'm sorry that my team wins games and lets me enjoy myself while we still get good picks in the draft. Your team without two 29 year old vets is still god awful. Don't get delusions of grandeur of your "young developing roster".
And yes, having a team that makes playoffs and has playoff experience is far closer to winning another championship than a cellar dwellar with zero experience of high pressure situations. That is basic, simple logic.
Thanks for repeatedly melting so hard on another team's board though. Its been a gas to read.
Your playoff experience consists of proving two times over that you're not good enough to win against contenders... :'(
So you're closer to what again? going for the trifecta of playoff inadequacy? ???
And on the topic of good picks... Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Terry Rozier, Kelly O, RJ Hunter, James Young, Terry Roz, Jordan Mickey, and Eurostash guys from a weak draft who we'll have to wait on because we don't really know much about the yet.
Who are these good picks again? The two best are probably Marcus Smart (not a starter in his 3rd season, can't throw a rock in the ocean) and Jaylen Brown (wasn't good in college). Have fun with that.
obtuse? I'm just telling you that this situation changes from second to second and kyler's most recent tweet that Noel is an untradeable star reflects that. Potter was sharing obsolete information. Here's the latest from Noel himself: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20170113_Noel__definitely_satisfied__with_role_on_Sixers.html?mobi=truei think that just speaks to how rapidly trade value changes over time. Within a matter of minutes Kyler went from blindly speculating that Noel would be traded to suddenly changing his mind and calling Noel one of the team's only two untradeable stars. Sounds like this kyler guy had a change of heart.I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
(http://i.imgur.com/M6EM8Fr.jpg)
Sounds like if Philly listened to Kyler, Joel Embiid would be on his way out the door and Noel would be the franchise center.
*shrug*
What's clear is that Noel's trade value is has at least doubled in the past month and Philly is gelling. Your very own Kyler considers him a star. If he ends up in the backup 25-30 minute per night role (similar to Marcus Smart here), maybe it works out for them long-term. With Embiid as a budding future superstar, Noel would probably be the best backup center in the league. They'd have 48 minutes per night of elite big man defense.
That's just a typo by Kyler. He obviously meant Embiid and Simmons are the stars, not Noel. He literally said in his immediately preceding tweet: "the vibe I got from the situation is 76ers will move Nerlens before the deadline." For someone who's so good at finding tweets, you could at least look one tweet down...
I don't know why you pretend to be obtuse just to try to prove a point. Back to ignoring you as I normally do -- these forums would be better if others ignored you too.
"At this moment in time, I'm definitely satisfied with where I'm at and the team's rotation," Noel said. "I think I'm able to go out there and still affect the game, change the game multiple ways."
Believe it or not, the former Kentucky standout appears to be the happiest he has been as a Sixer. A lot has to do with the team's improved play. He enjoys his teammates.
"This probably has been the closest team I've been on since I've been a Sixer," he said. "So I think that definitely speaks for itself."
obtuse? I'm just telling you that this situation changes from second to second and kyler's most recent tweet that Noel is an untradeable star reflects that. Potter was sharing obsolete information. Here's the latest from Noel himself: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/sixers/20170113_Noel__definitely_satisfied__with_role_on_Sixers.html?mobi=truei think that just speaks to how rapidly trade value changes over time. Within a matter of minutes Kyler went from blindly speculating that Noel would be traded to suddenly changing his mind and calling Noel one of the team's only two untradeable stars. Sounds like this kyler guy had a change of heart.I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
(http://i.imgur.com/M6EM8Fr.jpg)
Sounds like if Philly listened to Kyler, Joel Embiid would be on his way out the door and Noel would be the franchise center.
*shrug*
What's clear is that Noel's trade value is has at least doubled in the past month and Philly is gelling. Your very own Kyler considers him a star. If he ends up in the backup 25-30 minute per night role (similar to Marcus Smart here), maybe it works out for them long-term. With Embiid as a budding future superstar, Noel would probably be the best backup center in the league. They'd have 48 minutes per night of elite big man defense.
That's just a typo by Kyler. He obviously meant Embiid and Simmons are the stars, not Noel. He literally said in his immediately preceding tweet: "the vibe I got from the situation is 76ers will move Nerlens before the deadline." For someone who's so good at finding tweets, you could at least look one tweet down...
I don't know why you pretend to be obtuse just to try to prove a point. Back to ignoring you as I normally do -- these forums would be better if others ignored you too.Quote"At this moment in time, I'm definitely satisfied with where I'm at and the team's rotation," Noel said. "I think I'm able to go out there and still affect the game, change the game multiple ways."
That settles that.QuoteBelieve it or not, the former Kentucky standout appears to be the happiest he has been as a Sixer. A lot has to do with the team's improved play. He enjoys his teammates.
"This probably has been the closest team I've been on since I've been a Sixer," he said. "So I think that definitely speaks for itself."
Maybe things will change again, but right now it looks like sunshine and rainbows in Philly.
I don't know who this Kyler guy is, but I checked his twitter and the only recent Philly post I see is him declaring Ben Simmons and Nerlens Noel "the stars" of Philly and suggesting everyone else needs to be traded.His value has actually gotten higher and higher daily since he returned. Philly is playing their best basketball in a long time with him back in the fold and he's putting up pretty outstanding numbers. Also, he's showing signs of a mid-range shot which is kind of shocking if it's legitimate.I'm sure teams including Boston have asked about Noel, but until someone makes a worthwhile offer, there's no incentive for Philly to trade him.I hope Ainge is calling the Sixers for Noel.
For reals. He'd help us so, so much, and we certainly need it with how terrible we've been defensively and on the boards.
I think we can really challenge Toronto in the playoffs with a Noel upgrade.
The incentive is that his value becomes less and less as time goes on.
He's putting up per-36 stats of 19.1 points (way up) 8.4 rebounds, 2.9 steals and 1.6 blocks with 60% shooting (way up) and 67% from the line (way up).
Small sample size, but if that continues and Philly keeps looking decent, his trade value will continue to increase heading into the trade deadline.
Philly might as well just keep him if nobody gives them a decent offer. He could be the best backup big in the league next season if that's the role they want him for.
Are we just ignoring the report that he doesn't want to be a backup and wants to get a max contract today? Also nobody's value fluctuates daily. That is a bit absurd. I am pretty sure you are referencing about 9 mid range jump shots so far this season. I think there is a chance he could improve his shooting range cause many players have done this successfully. However, nobody is wildly adjusting their reports on him off of 9 shots.
Of course he is, because it doesn't fit his entire narrative this whole time. I literally just posted all of that stuff from Kyler, and he just ignored it and reaffirmed his original position lol Classic LarBrd33! Even some of the more objective LibertyBallers posters were chastising other posters about selectively ignoring reports of Noel not wanting to stay in Philly or be a backup for them.
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Sounds like if Philly listened to Kyler, Joel Embiid would be on his way out the door and Noel would be the franchise center.
*shrug*
What's clear is that Noel's trade value is has at least doubled in the past month and Philly is gelling. Your very own Kyler considers him a star. If he ends up in the backup 25-30 minute per night role (similar to Marcus Smart here), maybe it works out for them long-term. With Embiid as a budding future superstar, Noel would probably be the best backup center in the league. They'd have 48 minutes per night of elite big man defense.
That's just a typo by Kyler. He obviously meant Embiid and Simmons are the stars, not Noel. He literally said in his immediately preceding tweet: "the vibe I got from the situation is 76ers will move Nerlens before the deadline." For someone who's so good at finding tweets, you could at least look one tweet down...
LB, does it feel good being the guy that roots for a tankathon? Don't you feel the need to take a shower?I'm not rooting for Boston to tank. Yes, I fully embraced their tankathon in 2013-14 (still holding out hope Smart develops into a star), but I jumped on board the playoff bandwagon mid-way through their botched attempt at tanking in 2014-15.
To me, the Philly situation is fraud. Not for us as Celtics fans- I love that they've thrown away half a decade. If you're a casual Philly fan, it can't be easy to pay decent $ to go to the arena since Evan Turner was on the team. I'm sure diehards love the assets they've acquired. I'm also sure that many casual fans have stopped watching their hometown basketball team.
LB, does it feel good being the guy that roots for a tankathon? Don't you feel the need to take a shower?I'm not rooting for Boston to tank. Yes, I fully embraced their tankathon in 2013-14 (still holding out hope Smart develops into a star), but I jumped on board the playoff bandwagon mid-way through their botched attempt at tanking in 2014-15.
To me, the Philly situation is fraud. Not for us as Celtics fans- I love that they've thrown away half a decade. If you're a casual Philly fan, it can't be easy to pay decent $ to go to the arena since Evan Turner was on the team. I'm sure diehards love the assets they've acquired. I'm also sure that many casual fans have stopped watching their hometown basketball team.
If you're asking if I feel dirty for acknowledging the benefits of tanking - of course not. The only championship the Celtics have over the past 30 years is a direct result of "tanking". More than any other team sport, one player can be the difference between a bottomfeeder and contender. As long as the best prospects come into the league via a draft that incentivizes losing, gutting your roster and allowing it to bottom out is always going to be an intelligent move for teams with no better path towards acquiring superstars.LB, does it feel good being the guy that roots for a tankathon? Don't you feel the need to take a shower?I'm not rooting for Boston to tank. Yes, I fully embraced their tankathon in 2013-14 (still holding out hope Smart develops into a star), but I jumped on board the playoff bandwagon mid-way through their botched attempt at tanking in 2014-15.
To me, the Philly situation is fraud. Not for us as Celtics fans- I love that they've thrown away half a decade. If you're a casual Philly fan, it can't be easy to pay decent $ to go to the arena since Evan Turner was on the team. I'm sure diehards love the assets they've acquired. I'm also sure that many casual fans have stopped watching their hometown basketball team.
Do you feel the need to take a shower though? I liked that question.
Consider what many deem our best trade assets: Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, 2017 Brooklyn 1st, 2018 Brooklyn 1st. Every single one of them is a direct result of this team having a losing record. Likewise with the player many consider our best right now - Isaiah Thomas. Every single one of those assets were the result of us losing.If you're asking if I feel dirty for acknowledging the benefits of tanking - of course not. The only championship the Celtics have over the past 30 years is a direct result of "tanking". More than any other team sport, one player can be the difference between a bottomfeeder and contender. As long as the best prospects come into the league via a draft that incentivizes losing, gutting your roster and allowing it to bottom out is always going to be an intelligent move for teams with no better path towards acquiring superstars.LB, does it feel good being the guy that roots for a tankathon? Don't you feel the need to take a shower?I'm not rooting for Boston to tank. Yes, I fully embraced their tankathon in 2013-14 (still holding out hope Smart develops into a star), but I jumped on board the playoff bandwagon mid-way through their botched attempt at tanking in 2014-15.
To me, the Philly situation is fraud. Not for us as Celtics fans- I love that they've thrown away half a decade. If you're a casual Philly fan, it can't be easy to pay decent $ to go to the arena since Evan Turner was on the team. I'm sure diehards love the assets they've acquired. I'm also sure that many casual fans have stopped watching their hometown basketball team.
Do you feel the need to take a shower though? I liked that question.
Consider what many deem our best trade assets: Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, 2017 Brooklyn 1st, 2018 Brooklyn 1st. Every single one of them is a direct result of this team having a losing record. Likewise with the player many consider our best right now - Isaiah Thomas. Every single one of those assets were the result of us losing.If you're asking if I feel dirty for acknowledging the benefits of tanking - of course not. The only championship the Celtics have over the past 30 years is a direct result of "tanking". More than any other team sport, one player can be the difference between a bottomfeeder and contender. As long as the best prospects come into the league via a draft that incentivizes losing, gutting your roster and allowing it to bottom out is always going to be an intelligent move for teams with no better path towards acquiring superstars.LB, does it feel good being the guy that roots for a tankathon? Don't you feel the need to take a shower?I'm not rooting for Boston to tank. Yes, I fully embraced their tankathon in 2013-14 (still holding out hope Smart develops into a star), but I jumped on board the playoff bandwagon mid-way through their botched attempt at tanking in 2014-15.
To me, the Philly situation is fraud. Not for us as Celtics fans- I love that they've thrown away half a decade. If you're a casual Philly fan, it can't be easy to pay decent $ to go to the arena since Evan Turner was on the team. I'm sure diehards love the assets they've acquired. I'm also sure that many casual fans have stopped watching their hometown basketball team.
Do you feel the need to take a shower though? I liked that question.
Embiid and the Sixers are about to beat Charlotte tonight. The Sixers are starting to string wins together. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing soon too.
Embiid and the Sixers are about to beat Charlotte tonight. The Sixers are starting to string wins together. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing soon too.
Would be awesome if they played cavs in first round. Then we would all love them real quick
Their little run is great news for our Nets pick and excellent news for the long-term prospects of every team other than Philly. None of us want to live in a world where Embiid, Simmons + two top 8 picks in a stacked 2017 draft dominate the league for 15 years. Hopefully they play themselves out of a top 8 pick.Embiid and the Sixers are about to beat Charlotte tonight. The Sixers are starting to string wins together. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing soon too.
Would be awesome if they played cavs in first round. Then we would all love them real quick
Their little run is great news for our Nets pick and excellent news for the long-term prospects of every team other than Philly. None of us want to live in a world where Embiid, Simmons + two top 8 picks in a stacked 2017 draft dominate the league for 15 years. Hopefully they play themselves out of a top 8 pick.Embiid and the Sixers are about to beat Charlotte tonight. The Sixers are starting to string wins together. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing soon too.
Would be awesome if they played cavs in first round. Then we would all love them real quick
I'm genuinely frightened at the idea of this team's ceiling.
Assuming the Lakers pick doesn't fall into the top 3, the Sixers will almost certainly get two top 10 picks. Embiid is not playing back to backs and the Sixers have 11 or 12 of those remaining. I wouldn't be surprised if they shut Embiid down at the end of the season. If by some miracle they make the playoffs, they still have that pick swap with the Kings if the Kings pick is top 10. So there's a chance that the Sixers could make the playoffs and get the #1 and #4 picks.Their little run is great news for our Nets pick and excellent news for the long-term prospects of every team other than Philly. None of us want to live in a world where Embiid, Simmons + two top 8 picks in a stacked 2017 draft dominate the league for 15 years. Hopefully they play themselves out of a top 8 pick.Embiid and the Sixers are about to beat Charlotte tonight. The Sixers are starting to string wins together. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing soon too.
Would be awesome if they played cavs in first round. Then we would all love them real quick
I'm genuinely frightened at the idea of this team's ceiling.
Their little run is great news for our Nets pick and excellent news for the long-term prospects of every team other than Philly. None of us want to live in a world where Embiid, Simmons + two top 8 picks in a stacked 2017 draft dominate the league for 15 years. Hopefully they play themselves out of a top 8 pick.Embiid and the Sixers are about to beat Charlotte tonight. The Sixers are starting to string wins together. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing soon too.
Would be awesome if they played cavs in first round. Then we would all love them real quick
I'm genuinely frightened at the idea of this team's ceiling.
No team has dominated for 15 years straight in the modern er. Closest was Timmy d spurs but they were certainly beatable. They may have a nice 5 year window but it will not last forever whether due to injuries,ego or chemistry. Also while I like Simmons let's not forget riggen for Wiggins and how he was a sure fire superstar. He puts up points but seems pretty average so far
Assuming the Lakers pick doesn't fall into the top 3, the Sixers will almost certainly get two top 10 picks. Embiid is not playing back to backs and the Sixers have 11 or 12 of those remaining. I wouldn't be surprised if they shut Embiid down at the end of the season. If by some miracle they make the playoffs, they still have that pick swap with the Kings if the Kings pick is top 10. So there's a chance that the Sixers could make the playoffs and get the #1 and #4 picks.Their little run is great news for our Nets pick and excellent news for the long-term prospects of every team other than Philly. None of us want to live in a world where Embiid, Simmons + two top 8 picks in a stacked 2017 draft dominate the league for 15 years. Hopefully they play themselves out of a top 8 pick.Embiid and the Sixers are about to beat Charlotte tonight. The Sixers are starting to string wins together. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing soon too.
Would be awesome if they played cavs in first round. Then we would all love them real quick
I'm genuinely frightened at the idea of this team's ceiling.
Kings are slowly and predictably sinking out of the playoff race. Cleveland more than doubling them up already early in the second quarter.
Perhaps they'll rethink the extension when they realize how far away this team truly is from the playoffs.
Kings are slowly and predictably sinking out of the playoff race. Cleveland more than doubling them up already early in the second quarter.
Perhaps they'll rethink the extension when they realize how far away this team truly is from the playoffs.
Kings are slowly and predictably sinking out of the playoff race. Cleveland more than doubling them up already early in the second quarter.
Perhaps they'll rethink the extension when they realize how far away this team truly is from the playoffs.
Cavs had lost two in a row. You knew they were going to come out strong this game.
Kings are slowly and predictably sinking out of the playoff race. Cleveland more than doubling them up already early in the second quarter.
Perhaps they'll rethink the extension when they realize how far away this team truly is from the playoffs.
Cavs had lost two in a row. You knew they were going to come out strong this game.
Too bad the Blazers can't take advantage of it. Freaking down 5 with a minute left in the 4th to Orlando of all teams.
i really want the kings to slide. I'm not even sure I want to go all-in on cousins... I just want the option.Kings are slowly and predictably sinking out of the playoff race. Cleveland more than doubling them up already early in the second quarter.
Perhaps they'll rethink the extension when they realize how far away this team truly is from the playoffs.
Cavs had lost two in a row. You knew they were going to come out strong this game.
Too bad the Blazers can't take advantage of it. Freaking down 5 with a minute left in the 4th to Orlando of all teams.
Meanwhile, the Kings are still trying, and are within 7 early in the 4th. Kings win would put them back in the 8th spot.
i really want the kings to slide. I'm not even sure I want to go all-in on cousins... I just want the option.Kings are slowly and predictably sinking out of the playoff race. Cleveland more than doubling them up already early in the second quarter.
Perhaps they'll rethink the extension when they realize how far away this team truly is from the playoffs.
Cavs had lost two in a row. You knew they were going to come out strong this game.
Too bad the Blazers can't take advantage of it. Freaking down 5 with a minute left in the 4th to Orlando of all teams.
Meanwhile, the Kings are still trying, and are within 7 early in the 4th. Kings win would put them back in the 8th spot.
i really want the kings to slide. I'm not even sure I want to go all-in on cousins... I just want the option.Kings are slowly and predictably sinking out of the playoff race. Cleveland more than doubling them up already early in the second quarter.
Perhaps they'll rethink the extension when they realize how far away this team truly is from the playoffs.
Cavs had lost two in a row. You knew they were going to come out strong this game.
Too bad the Blazers can't take advantage of it. Freaking down 5 with a minute left in the 4th to Orlando of all teams.
Meanwhile, the Kings are still trying, and are within 7 early in the 4th. Kings win would put them back in the 8th spot.
Why would the Pistons even entertain a Drummond trade?
I've got to say, Lakers late game execution is terrible. It's essentially people taking turns playing hero ball. Seems like Randle is the only player willing to pass.
When PHI takes the minutes restriction off of Joel Embiid this dude is going to be something else.
22 pts (4-9FG), 1-3 from deep, 13-18 FT, 2 assists, 2 stls, 5 blocks in only 28 min...
They just beat MIL on the road as well.
This young man is becoming a Game Changer and I'm happy for him. It's hard not to like him.
They're only 7.5 games out of that last playoff spot, and considering who's in front of them....
DET - 4-6 last 10
MIL - 5-5 last 10.
NY - 2-8 (yikes)
ORL - 3-7 their last 10 games.
PHI could very well be a darkhorse. My realistic mind tells me that before they go pushing for playoffs (and more minutes on Embiid's body) they'll continue with the min restrictions and will end up missing that last spot by maybe 4-5 games. Nice turnaround for them, though.
When PHI takes the minutes restriction off of Joel Embiid this dude is going to be something else.They are actually only 6.5 games out of the 8th spot. Embiid isn't playing back to backs and the Sixers have 9 or 10 of those left this season. I think they'd be very shortsighted to remove Embiid's playing restrictions in a push to the playoffs where they'd just get blown away by the Cavs. If the Sixers were to make the playoffs, Embiid ought to get some MVP votes.
22 pts (4-9FG), 1-3 from deep, 13-18 FT, 2 assists, 2 stls, 5 blocks in only 28 min...
They just beat MIL on the road as well.
This young man is becoming a Game Changer and I'm happy for him. It's hard not to like him.
They're only 7.5 games out of that last playoff spot, and considering who's in front of them....
DET - 4-6 last 10
MIL - 5-5 last 10.
NY - 2-8 (yikes)
ORL - 3-7 their last 10 games.
PHI could very well be a darkhorse. My realistic mind tells me that before they go pushing for playoffs (and more minutes on Embiid's body) they'll continue with the min restrictions and will end up missing that last spot by maybe 4-5 games. Nice turnaround for them, though.
When PHI takes the minutes restriction off of Joel Embiid this dude is going to be something else.
22 pts (4-9FG), 1-3 from deep, 13-18 FT, 2 assists, 2 stls, 5 blocks in only 28 min...
They just beat MIL on the road as well.
This young man is becoming a Game Changer and I'm happy for him. It's hard not to like him.
They're only 7.5 games out of that last playoff spot, and considering who's in front of them....
DET - 4-6 last 10
MIL - 5-5 last 10.
NY - 2-8 (yikes)
ORL - 3-7 their last 10 games.
PHI could very well be a darkhorse. My realistic mind tells me that before they go pushing for playoffs (and more minutes on Embiid's body) they'll continue with the min restrictions and will end up missing that last spot by maybe 4-5 games. Nice turnaround for them, though.
Totally agree. Not only is Embiid unbelievably dominant for a guy with his lack of experience on a minutes restriction to boot, but the Sixers are also adding a healthy Ben Simmons to that group soon. Saric also looks great lately, has come up with some huge plays in several of these wins. They are a legit threat to the #8 seed this year, which is amazing.
Next year with the addition of Fultz/Ball plus whoever they get with the Lakers pick, and whoever they trade Noel/Okafor for, they are going to easily be a playoff squad.
Simmons is going to be on a minutes restriction plus they'll be having to fit him into the team which is going to take some time since they want to run the offense through him. Considering how well they are playing lately, they may not have a chance to get Fultz or Ball. Their own pick may not be top 5. They could even end up using the Kings pick swap. The Lakers pick is top 3 protected so they'll be a decent shot it rolls over to next year.When PHI takes the minutes restriction off of Joel Embiid this dude is going to be something else.
22 pts (4-9FG), 1-3 from deep, 13-18 FT, 2 assists, 2 stls, 5 blocks in only 28 min...
They just beat MIL on the road as well.
This young man is becoming a Game Changer and I'm happy for him. It's hard not to like him.
They're only 7.5 games out of that last playoff spot, and considering who's in front of them....
DET - 4-6 last 10
MIL - 5-5 last 10.
NY - 2-8 (yikes)
ORL - 3-7 their last 10 games.
PHI could very well be a darkhorse. My realistic mind tells me that before they go pushing for playoffs (and more minutes on Embiid's body) they'll continue with the min restrictions and will end up missing that last spot by maybe 4-5 games. Nice turnaround for them, though.
Totally agree. Not only is Embiid unbelievably dominant for a guy with his lack of experience on a minutes restriction to boot, but the Sixers are also adding a healthy Ben Simmons to that group soon. Saric also looks great lately, has come up with some huge plays in several of these wins. They are a legit threat to the #8 seed this year, which is amazing.
Next year with the addition of Fultz/Ball plus whoever they get with the Lakers pick, and whoever they trade Noel/Okafor for, they are going to easily be a playoff squad.
Minutes are coming down across the board. There are only 17 players with 35+ minutes. From a career standpoint, I'd limit Embiid to 30 minutes or so in the regular season. I'd also plan some games off during the congested parts of the schedule. There's no reason for him to be playing 4 games in 7 nights.When PHI takes the minutes restriction off of Joel Embiid this dude is going to be something else.
22 pts (4-9FG), 1-3 from deep, 13-18 FT, 2 assists, 2 stls, 5 blocks in only 28 min...
They just beat MIL on the road as well.
This young man is becoming a Game Changer and I'm happy for him. It's hard not to like him.
They're only 7.5 games out of that last playoff spot, and considering who's in front of them....
DET - 4-6 last 10
MIL - 5-5 last 10.
NY - 2-8 (yikes)
ORL - 3-7 their last 10 games.
PHI could very well be a darkhorse. My realistic mind tells me that before they go pushing for playoffs (and more minutes on Embiid's body) they'll continue with the min restrictions and will end up missing that last spot by maybe 4-5 games. Nice turnaround for them, though.
Totally agree. Not only is Embiid unbelievably dominant for a guy with his lack of experience on a minutes restriction to boot, but the Sixers are also adding a healthy Ben Simmons to that group soon. Saric also looks great lately, has come up with some huge plays in several of these wins. They are a legit threat to the #8 seed this year, which is amazing.
Next year with the addition of Fultz/Ball plus whoever they get with the Lakers pick, and whoever they trade Noel/Okafor for, they are going to easily be a playoff squad.
First off I agree on Embiid being awesome. Possibly my favorite rookie since shaq (and i was a kid then and collected all shaqs rookie cards). I am curious how many minutes Embiid will play at his max because I do think they will always have in the back of their mind that he shouldn't be a league leader in minutes played (even without the injury history he just has a giant frame).
There are 6 centers that average 33 or more minutes (high of 35.7 for towns). Of the giant centers (Drummond, Jordan, Gobert) Gobert is the high with 33.
Wow @ Philly having won 6 of their last 7 with Embiid.;)
I don't think you'll find a single Philly fan at this point who wouldn't say the 3 brief tank years were worth it.
They haven't even suited up Simmons yet. I gotta say the biggest benefit of having SImmons miss these last few months are all of the developmental minutes they got to give Dario Saric. He had a great game tonight. Coming into the season people expected him to get something like 8-10 minutes off the bench as he adjusted to the NBA, but instead he was force-fed 24 mpg and he seems to have made the most of it.
Wow @ Philly having won 6 of their last 7 with Embiid.
Korver cant guard anyone on the Warriors that plays wing or guard
Wow @ Philly having won 6 of their last 7 with Embiid.;)
I don't think you'll find a single Philly fan at this point who wouldn't say the 3 brief tank years were worth it.
They haven't even suited up Simmons yet. I gotta say the biggest benefit of having SImmons miss these last few months are all of the developmental minutes they got to give Dario Saric. He had a great game tonight. Coming into the season people expected him to get something like 8-10 minutes off the bench as he adjusted to the NBA, but instead he was force-fed 24 mpg and he seems to have made the most of it.
Warriors cavs is a little more riveting than thisWow @ Philly having won 6 of their last 7 with Embiid.;)
I don't think you'll find a single Philly fan at this point who wouldn't say the 3 brief tank years were worth it.
They haven't even suited up Simmons yet. I gotta say the biggest benefit of having SImmons miss these last few months are all of the developmental minutes they got to give Dario Saric. He had a great game tonight. Coming into the season people expected him to get something like 8-10 minutes off the bench as he adjusted to the NBA, but instead he was force-fed 24 mpg and he seems to have made the most of it.
It's actually kind of insane to talk about, but Embiid has been saying he and the team are trying to make the playoffs this season. It sounds incredibly laughable at first. But considering superstars are gonna superstar and they are 6-1 in their last 7... Who knows. I'd say it's SUPER unlikely, but it could actually happen if Embiid keeps this up and Simmons can make an impact right away.
They are 13-26. That's 13 games under .500. With 43 games left, as long as they win 2 games to every 1 loss, they will end up going 28-15 over the remainder of the season and finish with a .500 record (41-41)... Which might actually be 8th seed this season (8th best team currently has a .500 record).
It might seem far-fetched, but the Celtics were actually in mid-tank two seasons ago when suddenly they started rallying. They had an identical 13-26 record (13 games under .500) and end up finishing 40-42 and getting a playoff seed.
They are in the exact same position Boston was in when they turned it around. I still think those guys are way too young and it's going to impossible with Embiid missing back-to-backs... but maybe.
They just beat the Bucks who are now 20-20. During that 7 game run, opponents are only shooting 38.9% when Embiid is on the floor.Wow @ Philly having won 6 of their last 7 with Embiid.
They beat one team with a winning record, CHA, who is 20-20.
Warriors crushing the Cavaliers.
Cavaliers having a bad stretch recently. Still favorites in the NBA though unless Warriors add size this deadline.
Why would the Pistons even entertain a Drummond trade?
Philly up two on Toronto right before halftime. Seriously doubt they can sustain the lead, but it'd be a pretty big win for us if they would (race for 2nd and the Nets pick).
Philly up two on Toronto right before halftime. Seriously doubt they can sustain the lead, but it'd be a pretty big win for us if they would (race for 2nd and the Nets pick).
We really don't have to worry about the 76ers for the nets pick imo
as much as I loved the Sixer rivalry in the 80's, I'm rather enjoying their long time of futility. can't see them making the playoffs this year or even next unless they pull off some trades to provide better balance to their rosterPhilly up two on Toronto right before halftime. Seriously doubt they can sustain the lead, but it'd be a pretty big win for us if they would (race for 2nd and the Nets pick).
We really don't have to worry about the 76ers for the nets pick imo
Yeah if they keep up this pace we may play them in the 1st round!
Holy crap. Embiid deserves to be an all-star this year. Legitimately. Game winning-block, goes to the line and knocks both down.Scary part is that Embiid has significant room for growth on the offensive end. Scary part #2 is that he's dominating with McConnell, Covington, Stauskas and Ilyasova as his fellow starters. Scary part #3 is that they beat the Raptors while committing 13 more turnovers.
I don't care what anyone says here... Embiid and Philly are the biggest story in the NBA this year outside of The Golden State Globetrotters. If anyone here didn't understand what kind of impact a Superstar can make, just watch Embiid's last 8 games (7-1 with the only loss coming to Boston). In minutes he has played, he's been dominant on both ends. Those guys are probably too young for this to continue this season, but his impact on that roster is why tanking is entirely justified in this league when you don't have a superstar.
Holy crap. Embiid deserves to be an all-star this year. Legitimately. Game winning-block, goes to the line and knocks both down.Scary part is that Embiid has significant room for growth on the offensive end. Scary part #2 is that he's dominating with McConnell, Covington, Stauskas and Ilyasova as his fellow starters. Scary part #3 is that they beat the Raptors while committing 13 more turnovers.
I don't care what anyone says here... Embiid and Philly are the biggest story in the NBA this year outside of The Golden State Globetrotters. If anyone here didn't understand what kind of impact a Superstar can make, just watch Embiid's last 8 games (7-1 with the only loss coming to Boston). In minutes he has played, he's been dominant on both ends. Those guys are probably too young for this to continue this season, but his impact on that roster is why tanking is entirely justified in this league when you don't have a superstar.
Best .350 winning percentage team ever!
Best .350 winning percentage team ever!
You're obviously not trusting the process, brah.
Best .350 winning percentage team ever!
Trust the Process.Brown already said the minutes restriction was likely to remain throughout the season.
I do.
I had a feeling he'd be "good"...but definitely not THIS GOOD...THIS FAST.
Love seeing this guy enjoy the game AND playing at a high level.
If Simmons is just half as good as projected and maybe Coach Brown eases up on the minutes restrictions this PHI team could sneak into the playoffs and rough CLE up some.
Best .350 winning percentage team ever!
7-1 in Embiid's last 8 games, including a win over Toronto. The 1 loss was against the Celtics. The Sixers are exceptionally good now that Embiid, a rookie who hadn't played in 2 years, has gotten up to speed. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing.
It's not just Embiid.
Ersan Ilyasova is a legitimate NBA stretch 4, and a good compliment to Embiid's skillset.
T.J. McConnell is a Steve Blake type of point guard. Not good, but competent enough to not ruin your chances, especially if he's got a big guy to pass to.
Gerald Henderson: legit NBA veteran wing.
Dario Saric -- similar to Ilyasova. A skilled stretch 4 who can also play a bit on the wing.
They have actual NBA players who fill actual discernible roles! It's amazing!
With Embiid they have the piece they'd been missing, which is a player with the talent to provide a core focus and philosophy on both ends.
I have a feeling they will actually get a bit worse when Simmons comes back if only because they'll have to figure out how to integrate him on both ends. He'll muck up some of what they have going because he'll force T.J. off the ball a bit and he'll disrupt the Ersan / Saric setup at the 4.
The Sixers are still a long way (read: years) from being a factor in the playoffs, but Embiid is really exciting player, and it feels like they are actually starting to have a real "team" now. There's a "there" there.
It's not just Embiid.Without Embiid on the court, the Sixers are as bad as last year's Sixers. Covington might start for a few other teams but the rest of their starters wouldn't. This game Embiid was +20 while Noel was -15.
Ersan Ilyasova is a legitimate NBA stretch 4, and a good compliment to Embiid's skillset.
T.J. McConnell is a Steve Blake type of point guard. Not good, but competent enough to not ruin your chances, especially if he's got a big guy to pass to.
Gerald Henderson: legit NBA veteran wing.
Dario Saric -- similar to Ilyasova. A skilled stretch 4 who can also play a bit on the wing.
They have actual NBA players who fill actual discernible roles! It's amazing!
With Embiid they have the piece they'd been missing, which is a player with the talent to provide a core focus and philosophy on both ends.
I have a feeling they will actually get a bit worse when Simmons comes back if only because they'll have to figure out how to integrate him on both ends. He'll muck up some of what they have going because he'll force T.J. off the ball a bit and he'll disrupt the Ersan / Saric setup at the 4.
The Sixers are still a long way (read: years) from being a factor in the playoffs, but Embiid is really exciting player, and it feels like they are actually starting to have a real "team" now. There's a "there" there.
In their last 10 games, they are 7-3. They've beaten the Raptors, Bucks and Hornets and they only lost to us by 4 points. That's pretty darn good.Best .350 winning percentage team ever!
7-1 in Embiid's last 8 games, including a win over Toronto. The 1 loss was against the Celtics. The Sixers are exceptionally good now that Embiid, a rookie who hadn't played in 2 years, has gotten up to speed. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing.
"Exceptionally good"? Come on, now. That's a bit of an overreaction. Tonight was a good win for them, but it was also at home against Toronto on the second night of a back to back, which they played down to their competition with at that. Otherwise, they've been beating up on scrub teams that are playing terribly at the moment.
It's not just Embiid.Without Embiid on the court, the Sixers are as bad as last year's Sixers. Covington might start for a few other teams but the rest of their starters wouldn't. This game Embiid was +20 while Noel was -15.
Ersan Ilyasova is a legitimate NBA stretch 4, and a good compliment to Embiid's skillset.
T.J. McConnell is a Steve Blake type of point guard. Not good, but competent enough to not ruin your chances, especially if he's got a big guy to pass to.
Gerald Henderson: legit NBA veteran wing.
Dario Saric -- similar to Ilyasova. A skilled stretch 4 who can also play a bit on the wing.
They have actual NBA players who fill actual discernible roles! It's amazing!
With Embiid they have the piece they'd been missing, which is a player with the talent to provide a core focus and philosophy on both ends.
I have a feeling they will actually get a bit worse when Simmons comes back if only because they'll have to figure out how to integrate him on both ends. He'll muck up some of what they have going because he'll force T.J. off the ball a bit and he'll disrupt the Ersan / Saric setup at the 4.
The Sixers are still a long way (read: years) from being a factor in the playoffs, but Embiid is really exciting player, and it feels like they are actually starting to have a real "team" now. There's a "there" there.
It's not just Embiid.Without Embiid on the court, the Sixers are as bad as last year's Sixers. Covington might start for a few other teams but the rest of their starters wouldn't. This game Embiid was +20 while Noel was -15.
Ersan Ilyasova is a legitimate NBA stretch 4, and a good compliment to Embiid's skillset.
T.J. McConnell is a Steve Blake type of point guard. Not good, but competent enough to not ruin your chances, especially if he's got a big guy to pass to.
Gerald Henderson: legit NBA veteran wing.
Dario Saric -- similar to Ilyasova. A skilled stretch 4 who can also play a bit on the wing.
They have actual NBA players who fill actual discernible roles! It's amazing!
With Embiid they have the piece they'd been missing, which is a player with the talent to provide a core focus and philosophy on both ends.
I have a feeling they will actually get a bit worse when Simmons comes back if only because they'll have to figure out how to integrate him on both ends. He'll muck up some of what they have going because he'll force T.J. off the ball a bit and he'll disrupt the Ersan / Saric setup at the 4.
The Sixers are still a long way (read: years) from being a factor in the playoffs, but Embiid is really exciting player, and it feels like they are actually starting to have a real "team" now. There's a "there" there.
Prior to this season, Ersan Ilyasova had started in 313 NBA games.
This year he's having arguably his best year ever. Trust me, he'd start for a lot of NBA teams. He's been immensely valuable to this young Sixers team.
In their last 10 games, they are 7-3. They've beaten the Raptors, Bucks and Hornets and they only lost to us by 4 points. That's pretty darn good.Best .350 winning percentage team ever!
7-1 in Embiid's last 8 games, including a win over Toronto. The 1 loss was against the Celtics. The Sixers are exceptionally good now that Embiid, a rookie who hadn't played in 2 years, has gotten up to speed. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing.
"Exceptionally good"? Come on, now. That's a bit of an overreaction. Tonight was a good win for them, but it was also at home against Toronto on the second night of a back to back, which they played down to their competition with at that. Otherwise, they've been beating up on scrub teams that are playing terribly at the moment.
as much as I loved the Sixer rivalry in the 80's, I'm rather enjoying their long time of futility. can't see them making the playoffs this year or even next unless they pull off some trades to provide better balance to their rosterPhilly up two on Toronto right before halftime. Seriously doubt they can sustain the lead, but it'd be a pretty big win for us if they would (race for 2nd and the Nets pick).
We really don't have to worry about the 76ers for the nets pick imo
Yeah if they keep up this pace we may play them in the 1st round!
The Sixers are getting better because Embiid is getting better. He's become the best rim protector in the league. Since Dec 1, the Sixers are a top 5 defense. Offensively, Embiid is becoming more dominant in the paint. In 7 of his last 10 games, he has at least 10 FTAs and in 6 he has at least 10 FTMs. A few other recent changes have improved the Sixers play. First, they've stopped experimenting with the big men combos so Embiid is able to be a dominant center for the full 28-30 minutes he's on the court. Secondarily, Sergio got injured so they had to start McConnell. McConnell is nothing to write home about but getting Sergio's lousy defense out of the starting lineup is a definite plus. Also, Covington's 3pt shooting has started to improve and Saric is playing more consistently.In their last 10 games, they are 7-3. They've beaten the Raptors, Bucks and Hornets and they only lost to us by 4 points. That's pretty darn good.Best .350 winning percentage team ever!
7-1 in Embiid's last 8 games, including a win over Toronto. The 1 loss was against the Celtics. The Sixers are exceptionally good now that Embiid, a rookie who hadn't played in 2 years, has gotten up to speed. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing.
"Exceptionally good"? Come on, now. That's a bit of an overreaction. Tonight was a good win for them, but it was also at home against Toronto on the second night of a back to back, which they played down to their competition with at that. Otherwise, they've been beating up on scrub teams that are playing terribly at the moment.
The Hornets are terrible and weren't even a playoff team when they played them, iirc (they were 9th). They just lost their entire five-game road trip, which the 76ers were the fourth game of. They caught them at a time when they were playing their worst ball of the season.
It's a similar situation with the Bucks, who are on a three game losing streak right now. They caught them on the second night of a back to back after losing to Atlanta the night before. And while tonight's win against the Raps was definitely a good win, it also was on the second night of a back to back.
And you have to realize that this is more of the 76ers taking advantage of teams taking them lightly after they've sucked so long more than them suddenly improving for some reason. They've had a favorable schedule lately and have taken advantage of it. And that's good for them and us, because it just helps our Nets pick and them to not get as good of a prospect in this coming draft.
But people are deluding themselves if they think they're just suddenly getting better and this has less to do with the lackluster strength of their schedule of late and how they're catching teams off-guard when they're playing them. They're similar to how we were in 2014-2015. However, the conference isn't the same as it was that year, and they have a tougher schedule the rest of the way that will keep them from coming close to making the playoffs.
Embiid has won 5 in a row and he has a better record this year than the Celtics do.In their last 10 games, they are 7-3. They've beaten the Raptors, Bucks and Hornets and they only lost to us by 4 points. That's pretty darn good.Best .350 winning percentage team ever!
7-1 in Embiid's last 8 games, including a win over Toronto. The 1 loss was against the Celtics. The Sixers are exceptionally good now that Embiid, a rookie who hadn't played in 2 years, has gotten up to speed. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing.
"Exceptionally good"? Come on, now. That's a bit of an overreaction. Tonight was a good win for them, but it was also at home against Toronto on the second night of a back to back, which they played down to their competition with at that. Otherwise, they've been beating up on scrub teams that are playing terribly at the moment.
I mean... two of the wins that came in this streak were over New York and Toronto... the last two teams to beat the Celtics. So there's that. Also, he barely lost to the Celtics by 4 points despite playing 26 minutes in a game where all 5 of Boston's best players played 30+ (Crowder, Horford, Thomas, Bradley and Smart)In their last 10 games, they are 7-3. They've beaten the Raptors, Bucks and Hornets and they only lost to us by 4 points. That's pretty darn good.Best .350 winning percentage team ever!
7-1 in Embiid's last 8 games, including a win over Toronto. The 1 loss was against the Celtics. The Sixers are exceptionally good now that Embiid, a rookie who hadn't played in 2 years, has gotten up to speed. They will only get better once Simmons starts playing.
"Exceptionally good"? Come on, now. That's a bit of an overreaction. Tonight was a good win for them, but it was also at home against Toronto on the second night of a back to back, which they played down to their competition with at that. Otherwise, they've been beating up on scrub teams that are playing terribly at the moment.
The Hornets are terrible and weren't even a playoff team when they played them, iirc (they were 9th). They just lost their entire five-game road trip, which the 76ers were the fourth game of. They caught them at a time when they were playing their worst ball of the season.
It's a similar situation with the Bucks, who are on a three game losing streak right now. They caught them on the second night of a back to back after losing to Atlanta the night before. And while tonight's win against the Raps was definitely a good win, it also was on the second night of a back to back.
And you have to realize that this is more of the 76ers taking advantage of teams taking them lightly after they've sucked so long more than them suddenly improving for some reason. They've had a favorable schedule lately and have taken advantage of it. And that's good for them and us, because it just helps our Nets pick and them to not get as good of a prospect in this coming draft.
But people are deluding themselves if they think they're just suddenly getting better and this has less to do with the lackluster strength of their schedule of late and how they're catching teams off-guard when they're playing them. They're similar to how we were in 2014-2015. However, the conference isn't the same as it was that year, and they have a tougher schedule the rest of the way that will keep them from coming close to making the playoffs.
We have a [dang] Sixers thread. Why is almost every thread spammed with nothing but Philly posts?!this isn't the sixers thread?
We have a [dang] Sixers thread. Why is almost every thread spammed with nothing but Philly posts?!And there is nothing new that anyone can say. They just keep repeating the same stuff over and over. When Simmons starts playing there should be some new material.
there are three (maybe four) stories that have defined the first half of this NBA season.We have a [dang] Sixers thread. Why is almost every thread spammed with nothing but Philly posts?!this isn't the sixers thread?
there are three (maybe four) stories that have defined the first half of this NBA season.We have a [dang] Sixers thread. Why is almost every thread spammed with nothing but Philly posts?!this isn't the sixers thread?
#1 - a 73 win team adding an MVP player - we can and do talk about that here, but I personally find it extremely depressing as a fan of the game. Barring a Lebronian miracle I don't see how they lose the title this year.
#2 - The rise of Isaiah Thomas - I legit think it's one of the biggest stories in the NBA. Horford' addition has allowed Thomas to flourish. I wrote a lengthy thread arguing that I legitimately believe he is better offensively than the supremely overrated Allen Iverson. We have an entire forum to discuss Thomas.
#3 - Embiid saving sports in Philly - It's highly entertaining but also a feel-good story. Yeah, some folks here might be bitter/jealous given that they hate the 76ers and invested a lot of time writing Embiid off as a bust, but it's an incredible story. You probably put Embiid on the cover of the half-year review book. No surprise he dominates an "Around the NBA" discussion.
Honorable mention - The rise of Harden/Westbrook - Kind of foresaw both with the Houston coach change and Durant leaving, but I find both less interesting. First, I still see Westbrook as the most overrated player in the league. His stats get inflated for a number of reasons. Triple doubles aside, I see him on a par with Damian Lillard. Harden is better and Houston is exceeding expectations so maybe we are not giving them enough credit. I think it's partially because we know how d'antoni's style inflates player stats so this was kind of expected. His teams always do better in the regular season.
there are three (maybe four) stories that have defined the first half of this NBA season.We have a [dang] Sixers thread. Why is almost every thread spammed with nothing but Philly posts?!this isn't the sixers thread?
#1 - a 73 win team adding an MVP player - we can and do talk about that here, but I personally find it extremely depressing as a fan of the game. Barring a Lebronian miracle I don't see how they lose the title this year.
#2 - The rise of Isaiah Thomas - I legit think it's one of the biggest stories in the NBA. Horford' addition has allowed Thomas to flourish. I wrote a lengthy thread arguing that I legitimately believe he is better offensively than the supremely overrated Allen Iverson. We have an entire forum to discuss Thomas.
#3 - Embiid saving sports in Philly - It's highly entertaining but also a feel-good story. Yeah, some folks here might be bitter/jealous given that they hate the 76ers and invested a lot of time writing Embiid off as a bust, but it's an incredible story. You probably put Embiid on the cover of the half-year review book. No surprise he dominates an "Around the NBA" discussion.
Honorable mention - The rise of Harden/Westbrook - Kind of foresaw both with the Houston coach change and Durant leaving, but I find both less interesting. First, I still see Westbrook as the most overrated player in the league. His stats get inflated for a number of reasons. Triple doubles aside, I see him on a par with Damian Lillard. Harden is better and Houston is exceeding expectations so maybe we are not giving them enough credit. I think it's partially because we know how d'antoni's style inflates player stats so this was kind of expected. His teams always do better in the regular season.
Good read on The Ringer about how Philly erased their "losing culture" in like 5 games: https://theringer.com/the-sixers-are-surging-no-seriously-1ba309be239#.vdsizc31tthere are three (maybe four) stories that have defined the first half of this NBA season.We have a [dang] Sixers thread. Why is almost every thread spammed with nothing but Philly posts?!this isn't the sixers thread?
#1 - a 73 win team adding an MVP player - we can and do talk about that here, but I personally find it extremely depressing as a fan of the game. Barring a Lebronian miracle I don't see how they lose the title this year.
#2 - The rise of Isaiah Thomas - I legit think it's one of the biggest stories in the NBA. Horford' addition has allowed Thomas to flourish. I wrote a lengthy thread arguing that I legitimately believe he is better offensively than the supremely overrated Allen Iverson. We have an entire forum to discuss Thomas.
#3 - Embiid saving sports in Philly - It's highly entertaining but also a feel-good story. Yeah, some folks here might be bitter/jealous given that they hate the 76ers and invested a lot of time writing Embiid off as a bust, but it's an incredible story. You probably put Embiid on the cover of the half-year review book. No surprise he dominates an "Around the NBA" discussion.
Honorable mention - The rise of Harden/Westbrook - Kind of foresaw both with the Houston coach change and Durant leaving, but I find both less interesting. First, I still see Westbrook as the most overrated player in the league. His stats get inflated for a number of reasons. Triple doubles aside, I see him on a par with Damian Lillard. Harden is better and Houston is exceeding expectations so maybe we are not giving them enough credit. I think it's partially because we know how d'antoni's style inflates player stats so this was kind of expected. His teams always do better in the regular season.
I would put IT 3rd, and Westbrook/Harden 2nd. Then Embiid 4th. I honestly listen to all sorts of podcasts and read articles, Embiid and the Sixers aren't mentioned as much as you're claiming here.
Greek Freak, first time all star as a starter!!! That's a big Freaking story!!!For the first time in several years, I may actually watch the all star game with the Greek Freak in it. If they add Embiid as a reserve that would put it over the top. I really like this new crop of young stars.
Greek Freak, first time all star as a starter!!! That's a big Freaking story!!!Not saying he is not deserving. But it always help to have a whole country voting for you.
Greek Freak, first time all star as a starter!!! That's a big Freaking story!!!For the first time in several years, I may actually watch the all star game with the Greek Freak in it. If they add Embiid as a reserve that would put it over the top. I really like this new crop of young stars.
Greek Freak, first time all star as a starter!!! That's a big Freaking story!!!
Greek Freak, first time all star as a starter!!! That's a big Freaking story!!!
Can we now stop with the arguments that Olynyk is as good as him?
Greek Freak, first time all star as a starter!!! That's a big Freaking story!!!
Can we now stop with the arguments that Olynyk is as good as him?
Is this a thing?
A couple years ago it was a thing, and it should have been. It hasn't been in a long time.Greek Freak, first time all star as a starter!!! That's a big Freaking story!!!
Can we now stop with the arguments that Olynyk is as good as him?
Is this a thing?
Unfortunately yes. This is Celticsblog, every imaginable argument is a thing.
A couple years ago it was a thing, and it should have been. It hasn't been in a long time.Greek Freak, first time all star as a starter!!! That's a big Freaking story!!!
Can we now stop with the arguments that Olynyk is as good as him?
Is this a thing?
Unfortunately yes. This is Celticsblog, every imaginable argument is a thing.
Greek Freak, first time all star as a starter!!! That's a big Freaking story!!!
Can we now stop with the arguments that Olynyk is as good as him?
Seriously STOP bringing Olynyk in the conversation when it comes to Giannis.
Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Yep, that was fun to watch. Big-time shots. They've now won 8 of their last 11. Love the Process. Genuinely enjoy watching Embiid, too.
The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft.Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft.Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.
Anyone else scared Portland will beat us tomorrow...
Anyone else scared Portland will beat us tomorrow...
Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
I know..we really shouldn't lose. I'm just feeling nervous.Anyone else scared Portland will beat us tomorrow...
Nope, they're on a b2b and lost their last 4 to ORL, WASH, CHA, and PHI. Their guard-heavy offense is a good match-up, too.
Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
At which point we get the Kings pick...
Also Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight. Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.this has NOTHING to do with the sixers
Obviously their loss to the Sixers has knocked the Raptors for a loop. Let's hope it carries over to the Suns game. ;DAlso Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight. Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.this has NOTHING to do with the sixers
I'm confused
Both the pick swap and potential loss of the pick to the Bulls are decided after the lottery occurs. The question is which takes occurs first. If the pick swap does, the Kings should lose the pick to the Bulls if it ends up outside the top 10 after the pick swap.The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft.Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.
Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.
At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.
And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.
So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.
My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.
EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.
Both the pick swap and potential loss of the pick to the Bulls are decided after the lottery occurs. The question is which takes occurs first. If the pick swap does, the Kings should lose the pick to the Bulls if it ends up outside the top 10 after the pick swap.The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft.Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.
Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.
At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.
And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.
So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.
My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.
EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.
With the 4th worst record, the Lakers would have a 37.8% chance of keeping their pick. With the 3rd worst record, the Lakers would still only have a 46.9% chance to keep the pick. There is the question of whether the Sixers would be better off having the pick roll over to an unprotected 2018 pick.
It surprises me but the Kings had a team +/- of 2.3 with Gay on the court and a team +/- of -4.8 with Rudy Gay off the court. That's better than Cousins on/off numbers of 0.2 and -3.4. It is hard to see how they make up for the loss of Gay. They've also just started a brutal 8 games in 12 days road trip. They could have the 4th or 5th worst record after the road trip.
I haven't seen it discussed at Liberty Ballers but I generally ignore their fan posts. They're going to lose their 2019 1st to Sixers so they'd be starting their rebuild at a deficit. The problem with trading Cousins is that the Kings FO are very likely to screw up whatever assets they get for him.Both the pick swap and potential loss of the pick to the Bulls are decided after the lottery occurs. The question is which takes occurs first. If the pick swap does, the Kings should lose the pick to the Bulls if it ends up outside the top 10 after the pick swap.The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft.Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.
Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.
At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.
And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.
So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.
My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.
EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.
With the 4th worst record, the Lakers would have a 37.8% chance of keeping their pick. With the 3rd worst record, the Lakers would still only have a 46.9% chance to keep the pick. There is the question of whether the Sixers would be better off having the pick roll over to an unprotected 2018 pick.
It surprises me but the Kings had a team +/- of 2.3 with Gay on the court and a team +/- of -4.8 with Rudy Gay off the court. That's better than Cousins on/off numbers of 0.2 and -3.4. It is hard to see how they make up for the loss of Gay. They've also just started a brutal 8 games in 12 days road trip. They could have the 4th or 5th worst record after the road trip.
This has been discussed at length on both Sactown Royalty and Liberty Ballers, and the conditional Chicago pick comes first. If the Kings don't give up the pick to the Bulls, then their obligation to them is passed onto their second round pick, regardless of where the pick swap ends. The swap then necessarily comes secondary, because it can only occur if Sacramento actually has the pick.
They're screwed as it is with the pick, but if the swap did come first, then they'd be really screwed with pretty much no choice but to trade Cousins and start over.
lol why does anyone care about this?I haven't seen it discussed at Liberty Ballers but I generally ignore their fan posts. They're going to lose their 2019 1st to Sixers so they'd be starting their rebuild at a deficit. The problem with trading Cousins is that the Kings FO are very likely to screw up whatever assets they get for him.Both the pick swap and potential loss of the pick to the Bulls are decided after the lottery occurs. The question is which takes occurs first. If the pick swap does, the Kings should lose the pick to the Bulls if it ends up outside the top 10 after the pick swap.The Sixers have a pick swap with the Kings and they also have the Lakers pick (top 3 protected). If the basketball gods give them maximum luck, the Sixers could make the playoffs and still get the #1 and #4 picks in this draft.Holy hell, Covington just hit two yuuuggggeee threes to put the Sixers up one over the Blazers with four seconds to go!
Keep on winning, Sixers! It literally helps us in countless ways lol
Lol and some great D by future Celtic Noel wins the game for them! Keep on winning, Sixers. You don't need another high pick in this draft anyways, and you just make it more likely that the Kings have to blow it up and trade Cousins.
The Kings would end up losing their pick to the Bulls and the Lakers would lose their 2017 pick to the Sixers and their 2019 pick to the Magic.
Nope, the pick's status to Chicago isn't related to the Philly swap. The Kings will have to be 11th or worse on their own to send the pick to Chicago, because it's not subject to the Philly swap. So if by some miracle the Sixers make the playoffs, the Kings would have the 15th pick themselves without having to give it to Chicago.
At this point, the Sixers are in real danger of losing the Lakers pick. They're the 4th worst team right now, and it seems likely that they'll tank the rest of the season to try and get that top-3 lottery position to keep their pick.
And the Kings situation is really fluid right now. If they keep Cousins, then that pick is probably right there where it always is around the 7th-10th pick, which would probably end up meaning a swap with Philly. However, if they would trade Boogie to Boston, which is really the only logical option for a trade now given the context and us having the Brooklyn pick, then they very well could drop down lower to the 4th or 5th spot or so, though doubtful any lower with the couple of wins they'll pick up before they trade him.
So it's a very fluid situation. Philly could have two top 5 picks at the very best scenario, which is highly unlikely, or they could get stuck with something like the 10th pick and the 15th pick with no Lakers pick at the worst case scenario, which is also unlikely.
My guess is that the Lakers will ultimately get something like the third pick in the draft, meaning they keep their pick, and the Kings will land somewhere around 6th to 7th for the Philly swap, who just misses out on the playoffs with the 12th or 13th pick.
EDIT: But Sacramento is really in a predicament going forward. They have no incentive to tank right now with Philly improving and playing equal ball with them with the swap rights, yet at this point their playoff potential is virtually unrealistic without Gay. They'll have to make a decision on their future direction really soon.
With the 4th worst record, the Lakers would have a 37.8% chance of keeping their pick. With the 3rd worst record, the Lakers would still only have a 46.9% chance to keep the pick. There is the question of whether the Sixers would be better off having the pick roll over to an unprotected 2018 pick.
It surprises me but the Kings had a team +/- of 2.3 with Gay on the court and a team +/- of -4.8 with Rudy Gay off the court. That's better than Cousins on/off numbers of 0.2 and -3.4. It is hard to see how they make up for the loss of Gay. They've also just started a brutal 8 games in 12 days road trip. They could have the 4th or 5th worst record after the road trip.
This has been discussed at length on both Sactown Royalty and Liberty Ballers, and the conditional Chicago pick comes first. If the Kings don't give up the pick to the Bulls, then their obligation to them is passed onto their second round pick, regardless of where the pick swap ends. The swap then necessarily comes secondary, because it can only occur if Sacramento actually has the pick.
They're screwed as it is with the pick, but if the swap did come first, then they'd be really screwed with pretty much no choice but to trade Cousins and start over.
Also Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight. Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.this has NOTHING to do with the sixers
I'm confused
Also Toronto got destroyed by CHA tonight. Win tomorrow and 1 game out of second.this has NOTHING to do with the sixers
I'm confused
LOL some of us don't care about philly
Bulls-Kings tonight at 9PM.
The "Butler/Cousins" watch all in one game :laugh:
Lots of really good, relevant games today for us:
Celtics standings -
Trailblazers at Celtics
Washington at Detroit
Philly at Atlanta
Brooklyn pick -
Brooklyn at Charlotte
Milwaukee at Miami (chance for another Miami win with Milwaukee on a B2B)
Potential trade targets -
Sacramento at Chicago (win-win)
LAC at Denver (pushing Kings further out of playoff race with win)
Indiana at Utah
Anyone watching this Spurs-Cavaliers game?Kawhi floats.
Man I hope three years from now the C's can start to replicate the Spur's success.
Great defense, great hustle, and great shooting overall. Also no selfish ball and outstanding ball movement every possession.
All that and they just went on a 9-0 run to take the lead.
Celtics a work in progress but they are getting there.
Anyone watching this Spurs-Cavaliers game?Kawhi floats.
Man I hope three years from now the C's can start to replicate the Spur's success.
Great defense, great hustle, and great shooting overall. Also no selfish ball and outstanding ball movement every possession.
All that and they just went on a 9-0 run to take the lead.
Celtics a work in progress but they are getting there.
HUGE three from BronBron... miles out.
So conflicted about Mike Breen. He's such a Cavs fanboy, but his voice just sounds so NBAey
Cousins dominating the Bulls. 28, 7, 3, 1, and 1 halfway through the third, and that's on 10-17 shooting and 8-9 fts.
Cousins dominating the Bulls. 28, 7, 3, 1, and 1 halfway through the third, and that's on 10-17 shooting and 8-9 fts.
Cousins now has 32 points and 11 rebounds (WOW).
Plus he completely outplayed Meyers Leonard in the previous Kings-Blazers game with the mouthpiece controversy. You know, the same Meyers Leonard who outplayed our "bigs" today.
Please Cousins re-think about staying with Sacramento long term lol. Demand a trade. (Is it possible to work out a sign and trade with Cousins this summer or no? As a possibility I mean)
Also Butler has 20 points and 7 assists, 5 rebounds, but Wade is balling for Chicago today.
Anyone watching this Spurs-Cavaliers game?Kawhi floats.
Man I hope three years from now the C's can start to replicate the Spur's success.
Great defense, great hustle, and great shooting overall. Also no selfish ball and outstanding ball movement every possession.
All that and they just went on a 9-0 run to take the lead.
Celtics a work in progress but they are getting there.
HUGE three from BronBron... miles out.
So conflicted about Mike Breen. He's such a Cavs fanboy, but his voice just sounds so NBAey
Leonard with a career high 39 so far.
People talk so much about the Curry's, and the Irving's in the NBA, but I feel Leonard is still underrated around the league. He is the real deal, and is a big reason the Spurs are still successful and likely to continue their level of consistency (as well as having Pop as coach as well).
Dejounte Murray drafted at 29 in 2016 just had 14 pts and 6 assists in the SAS win against CLE. (He also started the game.)Dude dropped heavily. He was projected 10-15. I think there were character concerns - Pop probably felt he knew how to deal with him..
Tell us the secret Pop!
Bulls win! ANd Cousins is going off at the refs lolHa. What is he complaining about?
Bulls win! ANd Cousins is going off at the refs lolHa. What is he complaining about?
Cousins had 42 points.
No one else on the team had double digits in points. That's just sad..
Wow these recent two losses are really starting to hurt. Toronto about to loose its 3rd game in a row to the Suns. We could have had a lead for the 2nd seed by now.
Wow these recent two losses are really starting to hurt. Toronto about to loose its 3rd game in a row to the Suns. We could have had a lead for the 2nd seed by now.
Yep, was just going to post this. The Knicks and Trailblazers losses have been devastating.
So the Lakers are now the third worst team in the league a full game behind the 4th worst Mavs, though they have one more win due to the number of games they've played already. They're two wins ahead of the 2nd worst Heat currently, though they're tied in the standings due also having two more losses.Their current points differential puts them at 2nd worst in the NBA, all while trending in the wrong direction. Your prediction is probably accurate.
Prediction: LAL tanks the rest of the season hard in order to try and keep their pick for this year (protected top-3), and they end the season as the 2nd worst overall team only behind Brooklyn.
Lakers are going HARD at the top 3 pick. What they have done the past two years is the most blatantly shameful tanking I've ever seen. Last year they literally just let Kobe act as a one-man circus taking 50 shots a night shooting 30%. It's an embarrassment to the NBA. The league should force them to hire a colangelo.
Lakers are going HARD at the top 3 pick. What they have done the past two years is the most blatantly shameful tanking I've ever seen. Last year they literally just let Kobe act as a one-man circus taking 50 shots a night shooting 30%. It's an embarrassment to the NBA. The league should force them to hire a colangelo.
righttttttttt. come on now. that's the most blatant?
Lakers could actually use another lottery pick. Not sure they have a franchise player on their team which is crazy given their lottery picks. I'm not a fan of Ingram personally. I think he can be a future all star, but not a franchise player.
Lakers could actually use another lottery pick. Not sure they have a franchise player on their team which is crazy given their lottery picks. I'm not a fan of Ingram personally. I think he can be a future all star, but not a franchise player.
Russell? I'd say he's probably the closest.
People talk about Brown being a Jeff Green clone, but I think Ingram is much closer to that comparison than Brown.
Yes. Last year they literally had a sitting duck coach not attempting to win games. It was a circus and a blatant attempt to keep their pick (they would have lost it had it fallen outside the top 3). They didn't make a good faith effort to win games. It wasn't like their good players were injured. They were literally benching them in favor of a guy who was clearly helping them lose. I've never seen anything like that. I've seen injured teams. I've seen teams put a priority on developing youth. But I've never seen anything as shameful as what the Lakers did last season is the guise of a "farewell tour".Lakers are going HARD at the top 3 pick. What they have done the past two years is the most blatantly shameful tanking I've ever seen. Last year they literally just let Kobe act as a one-man circus taking 50 shots a night shooting 30%. It's an embarrassment to the NBA. The league should force them to hire a colangelo.
righttttttttt. come on now. that's the most blatant?
Yes. Last year they literally had a sitting duck coach not attempting to win games. It was a circus and a blatant attempt to keep their pick (they would have lost it had it fallen outside the top 3). They didn't make a good faith effort to win games. It wasn't like their good players were injured. They were literally benching them in favor of a guy who was clearly helping them lose. I've never seen anything like that. I've seen injured teams. I've seen teams put a priority on developing youth. But I've never seen anything as shameful as what the Lakers did last season is the guise of a "farewell tour".Lakers are going HARD at the top 3 pick. What they have done the past two years is the most blatantly shameful tanking I've ever seen. Last year they literally just let Kobe act as a one-man circus taking 50 shots a night shooting 30%. It's an embarrassment to the NBA. The league should force them to hire a colangelo.
righttttttttt. come on now. that's the most blatant?
I also don't think it's a coincidence they went from winning games to suddenly in the bottom 3. They need to be in the bottom 3. This is a huge draft. I'm calling shenanigans.
I didn't get to watch our games during the ML Carr season so maybe someone can correct me if that was more blatant tanking than this. I know in 2006-07 we shut down piece when he could have played and Doc definitely made some sketchy late game decisions - which was pretty blantant. And I know in 2013-14 there were some questionable decisions made about rondo's games played... but I'm sticking with what I said. What the Lakers have done is the most blantant and shameful tanking I've ever seen.
i guess I'm alone in how disgusted I am at the Lakers shameful multi-year tankjob.Yes. Last year they literally had a sitting duck coach not attempting to win games. It was a circus and a blatant attempt to keep their pick (they would have lost it had it fallen outside the top 3). They didn't make a good faith effort to win games. It wasn't like their good players were injured. They were literally benching them in favor of a guy who was clearly helping them lose. I've never seen anything like that. I've seen injured teams. I've seen teams put a priority on developing youth. But I've never seen anything as shameful as what the Lakers did last season is the guise of a "farewell tour".Lakers are going HARD at the top 3 pick. What they have done the past two years is the most blatantly shameful tanking I've ever seen. Last year they literally just let Kobe act as a one-man circus taking 50 shots a night shooting 30%. It's an embarrassment to the NBA. The league should force them to hire a colangelo.
righttttttttt. come on now. that's the most blatant?
I also don't think it's a coincidence they went from winning games to suddenly in the bottom 3. They need to be in the bottom 3. This is a huge draft. I'm calling shenanigans.
I didn't get to watch our games during the ML Carr season so maybe someone can correct me if that was more blatant tanking than this. I know in 2006-07 we shut down piece when he could have played and Doc definitely made some sketchy late game decisions - which was pretty blantant. And I know in 2013-14 there were some questionable decisions made about rondo's games played... but I'm sticking with what I said. What the Lakers have done is the most blantant and shameful tanking I've ever seen.
this comment made no sense whatsoever until i realized who the author is.
i guess I'm alone in how disgusted I am at the Lakers shameful multi-year tankjob.Yes. Last year they literally had a sitting duck coach not attempting to win games. It was a circus and a blatant attempt to keep their pick (they would have lost it had it fallen outside the top 3). They didn't make a good faith effort to win games. It wasn't like their good players were injured. They were literally benching them in favor of a guy who was clearly helping them lose. I've never seen anything like that. I've seen injured teams. I've seen teams put a priority on developing youth. But I've never seen anything as shameful as what the Lakers did last season is the guise of a "farewell tour".Lakers are going HARD at the top 3 pick. What they have done the past two years is the most blatantly shameful tanking I've ever seen. Last year they literally just let Kobe act as a one-man circus taking 50 shots a night shooting 30%. It's an embarrassment to the NBA. The league should force them to hire a colangelo.
righttttttttt. come on now. that's the most blatant?
I also don't think it's a coincidence they went from winning games to suddenly in the bottom 3. They need to be in the bottom 3. This is a huge draft. I'm calling shenanigans.
I didn't get to watch our games during the ML Carr season so maybe someone can correct me if that was more blatant tanking than this. I know in 2006-07 we shut down piece when he could have played and Doc definitely made some sketchy late game decisions - which was pretty blantant. And I know in 2013-14 there were some questionable decisions made about rondo's games played... but I'm sticking with what I said. What the Lakers have done is the most blantant and shameful tanking I've ever seen.
this comment made no sense whatsoever until i realized who the author is.
i guess I'm alone in how disgusted I am at the Lakers shameful multi-year tankjob.Yes. Last year they literally had a sitting duck coach not attempting to win games. It was a circus and a blatant attempt to keep their pick (they would have lost it had it fallen outside the top 3). They didn't make a good faith effort to win games. It wasn't like their good players were injured. They were literally benching them in favor of a guy who was clearly helping them lose. I've never seen anything like that. I've seen injured teams. I've seen teams put a priority on developing youth. But I've never seen anything as shameful as what the Lakers did last season is the guise of a "farewell tour".Lakers are going HARD at the top 3 pick. What they have done the past two years is the most blatantly shameful tanking I've ever seen. Last year they literally just let Kobe act as a one-man circus taking 50 shots a night shooting 30%. It's an embarrassment to the NBA. The league should force them to hire a colangelo.
righttttttttt. come on now. that's the most blatant?
I also don't think it's a coincidence they went from winning games to suddenly in the bottom 3. They need to be in the bottom 3. This is a huge draft. I'm calling shenanigans.
I didn't get to watch our games during the ML Carr season so maybe someone can correct me if that was more blatant tanking than this. I know in 2006-07 we shut down piece when he could have played and Doc definitely made some sketchy late game decisions - which was pretty blantant. And I know in 2013-14 there were some questionable decisions made about rondo's games played... but I'm sticking with what I said. What the Lakers have done is the most blantant and shameful tanking I've ever seen.
this comment made no sense whatsoever until i realized who the author is.
I honesty can't tell if you are being sarcastic anymore, you commend 76ers for a multi year historical tank job and call Lakers losing 'disgusting'.
hypocrisy thy name is LarBrd33
Why do people always have to work Philly into every discussion? I'm talking about the Lakers. What they have done over the past two years has been disgraceful. It wasn't that their superstar was injured or they were developing the youth - they were just literally trying to lose games to keep their draft pick. Last year I saw games in which Byron Scott pulled D'Angelo Russell in the middle of a hot streak ... his excuse being he didn't want Russell to "take over games"... Why? Cuz they might win? It was pretty blatant. I've never seen anything like it. It's not a coincidence that they are in the bottom 3 right now after proving to be a competent team earlier in the season. They need to be in the bottom 3 or they will lose their pick. The Lakers are disrespecting the spirit of the game and I hope the basketball gods curse them.i guess I'm alone in how disgusted I am at the Lakers shameful multi-year tankjob.Yes. Last year they literally had a sitting duck coach not attempting to win games. It was a circus and a blatant attempt to keep their pick (they would have lost it had it fallen outside the top 3). They didn't make a good faith effort to win games. It wasn't like their good players were injured. They were literally benching them in favor of a guy who was clearly helping them lose. I've never seen anything like that. I've seen injured teams. I've seen teams put a priority on developing youth. But I've never seen anything as shameful as what the Lakers did last season is the guise of a "farewell tour".Lakers are going HARD at the top 3 pick. What they have done the past two years is the most blatantly shameful tanking I've ever seen. Last year they literally just let Kobe act as a one-man circus taking 50 shots a night shooting 30%. It's an embarrassment to the NBA. The league should force them to hire a colangelo.
righttttttttt. come on now. that's the most blatant?
I also don't think it's a coincidence they went from winning games to suddenly in the bottom 3. They need to be in the bottom 3. This is a huge draft. I'm calling shenanigans.
I didn't get to watch our games during the ML Carr season so maybe someone can correct me if that was more blatant tanking than this. I know in 2006-07 we shut down piece when he could have played and Doc definitely made some sketchy late game decisions - which was pretty blantant. And I know in 2013-14 there were some questionable decisions made about rondo's games played... but I'm sticking with what I said. What the Lakers have done is the most blantant and shameful tanking I've ever seen.
this comment made no sense whatsoever until i realized who the author is.
I honesty can't tell if you are being sarcastic anymore, you commend 76ers for a multi year historical tank job and call Lakers losing 'disgusting'.
hypocrisy thy name is LarBrd33
Why do people always have to work Philly into every discussion?
Green never really improved enough to have a real prime. He never became the player many thought his physical tools would allow him to become.Lakers could actually use another lottery pick. Not sure they have a franchise player on their team which is crazy given their lottery picks. I'm not a fan of Ingram personally. I think he can be a future all star, but not a franchise player.
Russell? I'd say he's probably the closest.
People talk about Brown being a Jeff Green clone, but I think Ingram is much closer to that comparison than Brown.
If someone called Brown a Jeff Green clone, I'd take that as a compliment. I remember KG saying that Jeff Green was one of the most talented players he's ever played with, Greens problems seem to all stem from his head...and heart (obviously). Green in his prime was a poor mans Lebron James without the I.Q.
https://youtu.be/m59MdxUePIU?t=2m2s
Lol Terrence Jones has a career high 36, 10, 3 blks, and 2 stls in this win over Cleveland.
Oh, and they didn't have Anthony Davis here. Of course. lol
What's going on with the top East teams losing to inferior teams lately? The Cavs, Raptors, and C's have all had terrible losses in the last week to terrible teams.
Losing to inferior teams seems to be the new black these days.
Dubs lost to the Heat
Cavs lost to the Pelicans (without Anthony Davis)
Rockets lost to the Bucks.
Heck yesterday the Raps lost to the Suns. So maybe the Celtics recent slump is simply them just following the crowd.
I guess the Spurs did beat the Nets tonight, but I think the Nets have gone one step lower than the word "inferior". What word would you use to describe something worse than inferior?
Lol Terrence Jones has a career high 36, 10, 3 blks, and 2 stls in this win over Cleveland.
Oh, and they didn't have Anthony Davis here. Of course. lol
What's going on with the top East teams losing to inferior teams lately? The Cavs, Raptors, and C's have all had terrible losses in the last week to terrible teams.
Kings just opened up on a 10-0 run against Cleveland...maybe he'll throw the game to get the media on his side
Obviously still early, but James is going to throw another fit if they lose tonight to SAC.
Kings just opened up on a 10-0 run against Cleveland...maybe he'll throw the game to get the media on his side
Obviously still early, but James is going to throw another fit if they lose tonight to SAC.
"See!? I need more help!"
Kings just opened up on a 10-0 run against Cleveland...maybe he'll throw the game to get the media on his side
Obviously still early, but James is going to throw another fit if they lose tonight to SAC.
"See!? I need more help!"
26-22 after one (Cavs). Will be interesting to see if Kings can hang around. While I think it is unlikely, if the Kings did somehow spring the upset I do think James would be very upset.
Doesn't matter anymore.
Cavs answered with a 22-3 run lol...
Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
Stopped reading after I read "willing to give up Smart..." :laugh:
If the C's will win anything in the future, Smart should be on the team.
I think the C's could keep IT/Smart/Bradley/FultzorBall and make it work.
I would give up Rozier + picks for future picks OR a serviceable player.
And Philly just won AGAIN without Embiid or Okafor. Noel hit the go-ahead free throws and midrange jumper to win the game for them.
16 pts, 13 rebs, 1 stl, 1 blk on 5-9 shooting and 6-6 FTs. Who doesn't want this guy again??
And Philly just won AGAIN without Embiid or Okafor. Noel hit the go-ahead free throws and midrange jumper to win the game for them.
16 pts, 13 rebs, 1 stl, 1 blk on 5-9 shooting and 6-6 FTs. Who doesn't want this guy again??
And Philly just won AGAIN without Embiid or Okafor. Noel hit the go-ahead free throws and midrange jumper to win the game for them.
16 pts, 13 rebs, 1 stl, 1 blk on 5-9 shooting and 6-6 FTs. Who doesn't want this guy again??
The problem is, the more he plays and the more he plays well...it will either raise the price for him in a trade, or the Sixers may just start to simply second guess trading him. If Danny's gonna pull the trigger on him, he needs to do it real soon.
Charlotte almost made it happen against GSW but choked at the end + Curry was amazing.80%
What % would ppl give to GSW making the Finals this season?
I agree they are the strong favourite, but their chances can't possibly be 100%
What is your take?
Butler: “I want to play with guys that care, that play hard, that want to do well for this organization, that want to win games."
https://twitter.com/CodyWesterlund/status/824465913693016064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Uh oh, Butler becoming unhappy in Chicago?
https://twitter.com/MichaelVPina/status/824474039917957120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ;D
“They pay their money, their hard-earned money to watch us play. They got the right to do whatever they want," George said after practice Tuesday. "It doesn’t hurt me. It doesn’t hurt my feelings. Just know we work harder off of cheers than boos."
When asked after the 109-103 loss about the boos hurled at his team, George told reporters: “That’s Indy in general. We’ve been No. 1 in the East (in 2014) and lost a game at home and got booed. That’s just Indiana.”
https://twitter.com/CodyWesterlund/status/824465913693016064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Uh oh, Butler becoming unhappy in Chicago?
https://twitter.com/MichaelVPina/status/824474039917957120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ;D
Oh wow, and apparently George is having some issues in Indy, too. Either of them would be great fits in green, though George certainly is a bit better fit with his shooting.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2017/01/24/paul-george-dont-think-booing-solution/97005944/Quote“They pay their money, their hard-earned money to watch us play. They got the right to do whatever they want," George said after practice Tuesday. "It doesn’t hurt me. It doesn’t hurt my feelings. Just know we work harder off of cheers than boos."
When asked after the 109-103 loss about the boos hurled at his team, George told reporters: “That’s Indy in general. We’ve been No. 1 in the East (in 2014) and lost a game at home and got booed. That’s just Indiana.”
Sure doesn't sound like someone wanting to re-up long-term in Indy, huh?
https://twitter.com/CodyWesterlund/status/824465913693016064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Uh oh, Butler becoming unhappy in Chicago?
https://twitter.com/MichaelVPina/status/824474039917957120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ;D
Oh wow, and apparently George is having some issues in Indy, too. Either of them would be great fits in green, though George certainly is a bit better fit with his shooting.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2017/01/24/paul-george-dont-think-booing-solution/97005944/Quote“They pay their money, their hard-earned money to watch us play. They got the right to do whatever they want," George said after practice Tuesday. "It doesn’t hurt me. It doesn’t hurt my feelings. Just know we work harder off of cheers than boos."
When asked after the 109-103 loss about the boos hurled at his team, George told reporters: “That’s Indy in general. We’ve been No. 1 in the East (in 2014) and lost a game at home and got booed. That’s just Indiana.”
Sure doesn't sound like someone wanting to re-up long-term in Indy, huh?
Well to be fair that's Boston too lol.
Go on a 3 game losing streak like before tonight's win... And everyone in Boston loses their mind.
https://twitter.com/CodyWesterlund/status/824465913693016064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Uh oh, Butler becoming unhappy in Chicago?
https://twitter.com/MichaelVPina/status/824474039917957120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ;D
Oh wow, and apparently George is having some issues in Indy, too. Either of them would be great fits in green, though George certainly is a bit better fit with his shooting.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2017/01/24/paul-george-dont-think-booing-solution/97005944/Quote“They pay their money, their hard-earned money to watch us play. They got the right to do whatever they want," George said after practice Tuesday. "It doesn’t hurt me. It doesn’t hurt my feelings. Just know we work harder off of cheers than boos."
When asked after the 109-103 loss about the boos hurled at his team, George told reporters: “That’s Indy in general. We’ve been No. 1 in the East (in 2014) and lost a game at home and got booed. That’s just Indiana.”
Sure doesn't sound like someone wanting to re-up long-term in Indy, huh?
Well to be fair that's Boston too lol.
Go on a 3 game losing streak like before tonight's win... And everyone in Boston loses their mind.
Have Boston fans booed the C's this year? I don't remember that.
Woah there, noel is a foundational piece? If he is why are guys calling Smart as a role player? Imo they are around the same as prospects and we can actually give them a lesser package with something like Rozier+memphis 1st+LAC 1st due to his contract situation and positional logjam and still make it work. I'd rather trade smart or Bradley for a talented big in the draft , pair with noel for years to come in order to counter embiidNoel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
Stopped reading after I read "willing to give up Smart..." :laugh:
If the C's will win anything in the future, Smart should be on the team.
I think the C's could keep IT/Smart/Bradley/FultzorBall and make it work.
I would give up Rozier + picks for future picks OR a serviceable player.
No way you can keep all four of those. One of Smart, Bradley, and IT has to go no matter what in the summer of 2018 anyways, so if we can get something out of it like a foundational piece in Noel while clearing up that jam, then we have to do it, even though Smart is my favorite player. Bradley might also be considered for that trade, too.
By the way, Noel just hit two free throws AND a midrange jumper to seal the game for Philly!
yeah a few times,mostly due to reboundinghttps://twitter.com/CodyWesterlund/status/824465913693016064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Uh oh, Butler becoming unhappy in Chicago?
https://twitter.com/MichaelVPina/status/824474039917957120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ;D
Oh wow, and apparently George is having some issues in Indy, too. Either of them would be great fits in green, though George certainly is a bit better fit with his shooting.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2017/01/24/paul-george-dont-think-booing-solution/97005944/Quote“They pay their money, their hard-earned money to watch us play. They got the right to do whatever they want," George said after practice Tuesday. "It doesn’t hurt me. It doesn’t hurt my feelings. Just know we work harder off of cheers than boos."
When asked after the 109-103 loss about the boos hurled at his team, George told reporters: “That’s Indy in general. We’ve been No. 1 in the East (in 2014) and lost a game at home and got booed. That’s just Indiana.”
Sure doesn't sound like someone wanting to re-up long-term in Indy, huh?
Well to be fair that's Boston too lol.
Go on a 3 game losing streak like before tonight's win... And everyone in Boston loses their mind.
Have Boston fans booed the C's this year? I don't remember that.
theres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
I have.Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
this year implies this season. Unless you wish to continue to feed your rep as a troll just say calendar year next time.I have.Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
...I joined recently and he's almost as bad as eja and coachbothis year implies this season. Unless you wish to continue to feed your rep as a troll just say calendar year next time.I have.Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
If I meant this season, I would have said this season.this year implies this season. Unless you wish to continue to feed your rep as a troll just say calendar year next time.I have.Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
I'm a fan of Marcus and still hold out hope he'll make a leap over the second half of the season, but he's clearly the most overrated player on this forum. He's definitely available. I don't think he has much trade value, though. There just isn't a market for guards who can't shoot in this league. And guard defense just doesn't matter as much as big man defense. Nobody has ever built a great team defense around a guard. That's just not how basketball works.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
Yes, Larry. Trading Smart will only be in your imagination.
If I meant this season, I would have said this season.this year implies this season. Unless you wish to continue to feed your rep as a troll just say calendar year next time.I have.Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
This year, Boston is 7-4 including losses to Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly is 9-3 including wins over Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly's actually won 10 of their last 13 and have only lost one game with Embiid on the court during that stretch. To be fair to us, it was a game against Boston in which a peak-health Celtic team that played all their top 5 guys 30+ minutes narrowly knocked off Philly by 4 points after Embiid fouled out in 26 minutes. Philly is now a Top 10 defensive team for the season and has had the best defense in the league with Embiid on the court. It is what it is.
They have basically been even with us since December 8th. They started surging when Noel returned to play consistent minutes on December 30th. They won their last two games (Clippers and Bucks) without Embiid playing. In those past two games Noel had 19 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals with 8-10 shooting in 29 minutes against the Clippers... followed by 16 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal with 5-9 shooting in 28 minutes - including the game winning mid-range jumper against the Bucks.
When you're talking about a team that is building it's identity around elite-level defense, Noel is a great fit behind the transcendent Embiid. Long-term, he'd make sense there playing 20-25 minutes a night as a back up Center. Elite team defense comes from the inside out. Guard defense is a luxury that doesn't make nearly the same type of impact as having a goalie in the middle changing the game from inside. Marcus Smart doesn't really make any sense on that team. They don't need guard defense off the bench. They need guys who can hit shots. It makes more sense to keep Noel and play him 20-25 minutes than to have Smart take away minutes from their shooters for 15-20 minutes per night off the bench. I really don't see it at all from Philly's perspective.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
It's just a bad fit. It's magnified by the fact it might be difficult for Boston to keep Noel and still have max cap room to add a significant free agent. It's less of a problem for Philly who has tons of cap space. They can keep Noel and still have plenty of room to add a major player.
My guess Philly has shifted it's stance and Okafor is the one most readily available. I still think Okafor is an intriguing prospect who is clearly much better offensively than defensively at this point. It's tough to really guess what he's worth. He's got flaws, but it's fair to note that even this year he's statistically outperforming every single 2016 draftee. You can't really write him off yet considering his natural talent and age. Clearly his lack of elite defense and rebounding makes him less desirable to fans. Ainge has clearly had interest over the past year, but who knows what he's offering at this point. Even if Boston were willing to trade Marcus for Okafor, I still don't see how Marcus would fit with the construction of Philly's roster now and heading forward.
They don't need guard defense off the bench. They need guys who can hit shots. It makes more sense to keep Noel and play him 20-25 minutes than to have Smart take away minutes from their shooters for 15-20 minutes per night off the bench. I really don't see it at all from Philly's perspective.
I'm a fan of Marcus and still hold out hope he'll make a leap over the second half of the season, but he's clearly the most overrated player on this forum. He's definitely available. I don't think he has much trade value, though. There just isn't a market for guards who can't shoot in this league. And guard defense just doesn't matter as much as big man defense. Nobody has ever built a great team defense around a guard. That's just not how basketball works.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
Yes, Larry. Trading Smart will only be in your imagination.
Not sure what you mean. The entire premise of Philly trading away Noel is based around the idea that they can't keep him and Embiid. That's doesn't seem to be true. If you're looking for a back-up to Joel Embiid, you can't do much better than Nerlens Noel. Embiid has been the best defender in the league in minutes he's played so it's hard to find anyone on that level. Noel isn't quite on that level. But Noel is an exceptional defender in his own right and makes a lot of sense long-term there. Trading him for a back-up guard who's greatest weakness is the main thing the team is trying to improve on - while sacrificing your elite back-up center defense... just seems like a really bad idea both in the short term as they make a wild push for the playoffs... and in the long-term as they likely will have better options to add guard talent in the near future.If I meant this season, I would have said this season.this year implies this season. Unless you wish to continue to feed your rep as a troll just say calendar year next time.I have.Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
This year, Boston is 7-4 including losses to Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly is 9-3 including wins over Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly's actually won 10 of their last 13 and have only lost one game with Embiid on the court during that stretch. To be fair to us, it was a game against Boston in which a peak-health Celtic team that played all their top 5 guys 30+ minutes narrowly knocked off Philly by 4 points after Embiid fouled out in 26 minutes. Philly is now a Top 10 defensive team for the season and has had the best defense in the league with Embiid on the court. It is what it is.
They have basically been even with us since December 8th. They started surging when Noel returned to play consistent minutes on December 30th. They won their last two games (Clippers and Bucks) without Embiid playing. In those past two games Noel had 19 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals with 8-10 shooting in 29 minutes against the Clippers... followed by 16 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal with 5-9 shooting in 28 minutes - including the game winning mid-range jumper against the Bucks.
When you're talking about a team that is building it's identity around elite-level defense, Noel is a great fit behind the transcendent Embiid. Long-term, he'd make sense there playing 20-25 minutes a night as a back up Center. Elite team defense comes from the inside out. Guard defense is a luxury that doesn't make nearly the same type of impact as having a goalie in the middle changing the game from inside. Marcus Smart doesn't really make any sense on that team. They don't need guard defense off the bench. They need guys who can hit shots. It makes more sense to keep Noel and play him 20-25 minutes than to have Smart take away minutes from their shooters for 15-20 minutes per night off the bench. I really don't see it at all from Philly's perspective.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
It's just a bad fit. It's magnified by the fact it might be difficult for Boston to keep Noel and still have max cap room to add a significant free agent. It's less of a problem for Philly who has tons of cap space. They can keep Noel and still have plenty of room to add a major player.
My guess Philly has shifted it's stance and Okafor is the one most readily available. I still think Okafor is an intriguing prospect who is clearly much better offensively than defensively at this point. It's tough to really guess what he's worth. He's got flaws, but it's fair to note that even this year he's statistically outperforming every single 2016 draftee. You can't really write him off yet considering his natural talent and age. Clearly his lack of elite defense and rebounding makes him less desirable to fans. Ainge has clearly had interest over the past year, but who knows what he's offering at this point. Even if Boston were willing to trade Marcus for Okafor, I still don't see how Marcus would fit with the construction of Philly's roster now and heading forward.
LOL. You never were good with context, were ya?
Actually that's LITERALLY not true as pretty much every speculative piece about Boston trading for a Butler or Cousins has us throwing in Marcus Smart along with the 2017 Brooklyn pick. Pretty much every hypothetical I see from guys like Simmons or Lowe includes Marcus as a toss-in. As far as rumors go, there have been plenty linking Smart to Noel. But you're right in that there isn't much rumor/speculation about Boston shopping him. For the record, I don't believe Boston is shopping Smart. He's obviously available, but I don't think Boston is making calls or anything. I don't think Smart has any trade value so it would be kind of a waste of time to shop him around. You're probably not going to get anything substantial for him. Boston is better off just hanging onto him for the same reason Philly is probably better off just hanging onto Noel - they aren't going to get anything better via trade.I'm a fan of Marcus and still hold out hope he'll make a leap over the second half of the season, but he's clearly the most overrated player on this forum. He's definitely available. I don't think he has much trade value, though. There just isn't a market for guards who can't shoot in this league. And guard defense just doesn't matter as much as big man defense. Nobody has ever built a great team defense around a guard. That's just not how basketball works.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
Yes, Larry. Trading Smart will only be in your imagination.
There's LITERALLY been zero indication that Smart is available. No rumors, no speculation, nothing. Just more top-notch analysis from LarBrd33.
Not sure what you mean. The entire premise of Philly trading away Noel is based around the idea that they can't keep him and Embiid. That's doesn't seem to be true. If you're looking for a back-up to Joel Embiid, you can't do much better than Nerlens Noel. Embiid has been the best defender in the league in minutes he's played so it's hard to find anyone on that level. Noel isn't quite on that level. But Noel is an exceptional defender in his own right and makes a lot of sense long-term there. Trading him for a back-up guard who's greatest weakness is the main thing the team is trying to improve on - while sacrificing your elite back-up center defense... just seems like a really bad idea both in the short term as they make a wild push for the playoffs... and in the long-term as they likely will have better options to add guard talent in the near future.If I meant this season, I would have said this season.this year implies this season. Unless you wish to continue to feed your rep as a troll just say calendar year next time.I have.Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
This year, Boston is 7-4 including losses to Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly is 9-3 including wins over Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly's actually won 10 of their last 13 and have only lost one game with Embiid on the court during that stretch. To be fair to us, it was a game against Boston in which a peak-health Celtic team that played all their top 5 guys 30+ minutes narrowly knocked off Philly by 4 points after Embiid fouled out in 26 minutes. Philly is now a Top 10 defensive team for the season and has had the best defense in the league with Embiid on the court. It is what it is.
They have basically been even with us since December 8th. They started surging when Noel returned to play consistent minutes on December 30th. They won their last two games (Clippers and Bucks) without Embiid playing. In those past two games Noel had 19 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals with 8-10 shooting in 29 minutes against the Clippers... followed by 16 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal with 5-9 shooting in 28 minutes - including the game winning mid-range jumper against the Bucks.
When you're talking about a team that is building it's identity around elite-level defense, Noel is a great fit behind the transcendent Embiid. Long-term, he'd make sense there playing 20-25 minutes a night as a back up Center. Elite team defense comes from the inside out. Guard defense is a luxury that doesn't make nearly the same type of impact as having a goalie in the middle changing the game from inside. Marcus Smart doesn't really make any sense on that team. They don't need guard defense off the bench. They need guys who can hit shots. It makes more sense to keep Noel and play him 20-25 minutes than to have Smart take away minutes from their shooters for 15-20 minutes per night off the bench. I really don't see it at all from Philly's perspective.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
It's just a bad fit. It's magnified by the fact it might be difficult for Boston to keep Noel and still have max cap room to add a significant free agent. It's less of a problem for Philly who has tons of cap space. They can keep Noel and still have plenty of room to add a major player.
My guess Philly has shifted it's stance and Okafor is the one most readily available. I still think Okafor is an intriguing prospect who is clearly much better offensively than defensively at this point. It's tough to really guess what he's worth. He's got flaws, but it's fair to note that even this year he's statistically outperforming every single 2016 draftee. You can't really write him off yet considering his natural talent and age. Clearly his lack of elite defense and rebounding makes him less desirable to fans. Ainge has clearly had interest over the past year, but who knows what he's offering at this point. Even if Boston were willing to trade Marcus for Okafor, I still don't see how Marcus would fit with the construction of Philly's roster now and heading forward.
LOL. You never were good with context, were ya?
I'm not disagreeing with you that from Boston's perspective trading Smart for Noel would make some sense (but only if they could retain max cap space this Summer). I'm just not seeing it for Philly. It's a bad fit.
#1 - He seems fine with it. You're right he's a starter-level player, but as long as they can win with him he's probably fine backing up Embiid in the same way Marcus is probably fine backing up Thomas.Not sure what you mean. The entire premise of Philly trading away Noel is based around the idea that they can't keep him and Embiid. That's doesn't seem to be true. If you're looking for a back-up to Joel Embiid, you can't do much better than Nerlens Noel. Embiid has been the best defender in the league in minutes he's played so it's hard to find anyone on that level. Noel isn't quite on that level. But Noel is an exceptional defender in his own right and makes a lot of sense long-term there. Trading him for a back-up guard who's greatest weakness is the main thing the team is trying to improve on - while sacrificing your elite back-up center defense... just seems like a really bad idea both in the short term as they make a wild push for the playoffs... and in the long-term as they likely will have better options to add guard talent in the near future.If I meant this season, I would have said this season.this year implies this season. Unless you wish to continue to feed your rep as a troll just say calendar year next time.I have.Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
This year, Boston is 7-4 including losses to Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly is 9-3 including wins over Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly's actually won 10 of their last 13 and have only lost one game with Embiid on the court during that stretch. To be fair to us, it was a game against Boston in which a peak-health Celtic team that played all their top 5 guys 30+ minutes narrowly knocked off Philly by 4 points after Embiid fouled out in 26 minutes. Philly is now a Top 10 defensive team for the season and has had the best defense in the league with Embiid on the court. It is what it is.
They have basically been even with us since December 8th. They started surging when Noel returned to play consistent minutes on December 30th. They won their last two games (Clippers and Bucks) without Embiid playing. In those past two games Noel had 19 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals with 8-10 shooting in 29 minutes against the Clippers... followed by 16 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal with 5-9 shooting in 28 minutes - including the game winning mid-range jumper against the Bucks.
When you're talking about a team that is building it's identity around elite-level defense, Noel is a great fit behind the transcendent Embiid. Long-term, he'd make sense there playing 20-25 minutes a night as a back up Center. Elite team defense comes from the inside out. Guard defense is a luxury that doesn't make nearly the same type of impact as having a goalie in the middle changing the game from inside. Marcus Smart doesn't really make any sense on that team. They don't need guard defense off the bench. They need guys who can hit shots. It makes more sense to keep Noel and play him 20-25 minutes than to have Smart take away minutes from their shooters for 15-20 minutes per night off the bench. I really don't see it at all from Philly's perspective.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
It's just a bad fit. It's magnified by the fact it might be difficult for Boston to keep Noel and still have max cap room to add a significant free agent. It's less of a problem for Philly who has tons of cap space. They can keep Noel and still have plenty of room to add a major player.
My guess Philly has shifted it's stance and Okafor is the one most readily available. I still think Okafor is an intriguing prospect who is clearly much better offensively than defensively at this point. It's tough to really guess what he's worth. He's got flaws, but it's fair to note that even this year he's statistically outperforming every single 2016 draftee. You can't really write him off yet considering his natural talent and age. Clearly his lack of elite defense and rebounding makes him less desirable to fans. Ainge has clearly had interest over the past year, but who knows what he's offering at this point. Even if Boston were willing to trade Marcus for Okafor, I still don't see how Marcus would fit with the construction of Philly's roster now and heading forward.
LOL. You never were good with context, were ya?
I'm not disagreeing with you that from Boston's perspective trading Smart for Noel would make some sense (but only if they could retain max cap space this Summer). I'm just not seeing it for Philly. It's a bad fit.
I've laid out why it IS a good trade for Philly elsewhere, i.e. since it looks like they won't get higher than a 7th pick this year in the draft and won't have any real good opportunity to improve their guard position otherwise. But that's another argument.
The context disproving your thesis with Noel is this:
1) Noel is NOT a backup in this league;
2) Noel does NOT want to be a backup in this league;
3) The Sixers are NOT going to pay the money needed to keep him, especially as a backup;
4) The Sixers are NOT going to force an unhappy player to be a backup at a majorly expensive price.
That's just not how it works in reality, Lar. You can sit here and say they can keep him all you want, but every single thing coming out of that place suggests that he's still getting traded.
could be a very interesting trade deadline.https://twitter.com/CodyWesterlund/status/824465913693016064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Uh oh, Butler becoming unhappy in Chicago?
https://twitter.com/MichaelVPina/status/824474039917957120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw ;D
Oh wow, and apparently George is having some issues in Indy, too. Either of them would be great fits in green, though George certainly is a bit better fit with his shooting.
http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2017/01/24/paul-george-dont-think-booing-solution/97005944/Quote“They pay their money, their hard-earned money to watch us play. They got the right to do whatever they want," George said after practice Tuesday. "It doesn’t hurt me. It doesn’t hurt my feelings. Just know we work harder off of cheers than boos."
When asked after the 109-103 loss about the boos hurled at his team, George told reporters: “That’s Indy in general. We’ve been No. 1 in the East (in 2014) and lost a game at home and got booed. That’s just Indiana.”
Sure doesn't sound like someone wanting to re-up long-term in Indy, huh?
ANNNNDDDD we havent stopped talking bout Philly.I mean some of us want to talk about the fact that the Cavs, Raptors, Rockets were slumping but I guess Im in the wrong thread.1st Seed is still in play for the Celtics.
Charlotte almost made it happen against GSW but choked at the end + Curry was amazing.80%
What % would ppl give to GSW making the Finals this season?
I agree they are the strong favourite, but their chances can't possibly be 100%
What is your take?
San Antonio, I give a 5% chance, injuries, I give a 10% chance and I give the rest of the field 5%.
If the C's finish first in the East I give you 10 TPs. If we don't, you give me 1.ANNNNDDDD we havent stopped talking bout Philly.I mean some of us want to talk about the fact that the Cavs, Raptors, Rockets were slumping but I guess Im in the wrong thread.1st Seed is still in play for the Celtics.
More like 3rd week of January 2017 news. We are in the 4th week of January. So he's kept his mouth shut for a whopping one week.#1 - He seems fine with it. You're right he's a starter-level player, but as long as they can win with him he's probably fine backing up Embiid in the same way Marcus is probably fine backing up Thomas.Not sure what you mean. The entire premise of Philly trading away Noel is based around the idea that they can't keep him and Embiid. That's doesn't seem to be true. If you're looking for a back-up to Joel Embiid, you can't do much better than Nerlens Noel. Embiid has been the best defender in the league in minutes he's played so it's hard to find anyone on that level. Noel isn't quite on that level. But Noel is an exceptional defender in his own right and makes a lot of sense long-term there. Trading him for a back-up guard who's greatest weakness is the main thing the team is trying to improve on - while sacrificing your elite back-up center defense... just seems like a really bad idea both in the short term as they make a wild push for the playoffs... and in the long-term as they likely will have better options to add guard talent in the near future.If I meant this season, I would have said this season.this year implies this season. Unless you wish to continue to feed your rep as a troll just say calendar year next time.I have.Seems like you should check the standingstheres not much point in Philly trading Noel for smart. They are better off keeping Noel. They have been better than the Celtics this year and Noel is a key part of that.Noel with 12 points, 12 rebs, 1 blk, and 1 stl in 24 minutes tonight.
This is what he'd give to the C's EVERY NIGHT, or at least close. I bet he would give us around 12 and 10 each night with around 2 blocks and over a steal each game.
We saw tonight how good Horford is when he has a mobile big next to him. Our defense and rebounding would be much, much better with someone like Noel. The only thing you'd be giving up is spacing that someone like JJ can provide that Noel can't.
His price will be higher though as a result.
Unless you expect to sign him this summer, in which you just have to hope Philly aren't willing to keep him (who knows, they might, they got cap space too).
What would you trade to acquire him at the deadline?
As much as I'd hate it personally, I'd probably be willing to give up Smart to get him, which should be more than enough since I can't imagine any other team beating that offer with the context he's in.
I just think with us getting a point guard in the draft, we'll have to move on from him or AB eventually. Might as well get Noel in the process if we can.
Philly probably has to go for it, too, because they're playing their way out of the better point guards in the draft, especially with LA looking like they'll keep their pick this year now. They could get someone like Monk in the mid-lottery, who would seemingly be a good fit with Smart in the backcourt. They'd have the making of a seriously elite defensive team between Embiid and Smart, too.
This year, Boston is 7-4 including losses to Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly is 9-3 including wins over Toronto, New York and Portland. Philly's actually won 10 of their last 13 and have only lost one game with Embiid on the court during that stretch. To be fair to us, it was a game against Boston in which a peak-health Celtic team that played all their top 5 guys 30+ minutes narrowly knocked off Philly by 4 points after Embiid fouled out in 26 minutes. Philly is now a Top 10 defensive team for the season and has had the best defense in the league with Embiid on the court. It is what it is.
They have basically been even with us since December 8th. They started surging when Noel returned to play consistent minutes on December 30th. They won their last two games (Clippers and Bucks) without Embiid playing. In those past two games Noel had 19 points, 8 rebounds, 5 assists, 3 blocks, 2 steals with 8-10 shooting in 29 minutes against the Clippers... followed by 16 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block, 1 steal with 5-9 shooting in 28 minutes - including the game winning mid-range jumper against the Bucks.
When you're talking about a team that is building it's identity around elite-level defense, Noel is a great fit behind the transcendent Embiid. Long-term, he'd make sense there playing 20-25 minutes a night as a back up Center. Elite team defense comes from the inside out. Guard defense is a luxury that doesn't make nearly the same type of impact as having a goalie in the middle changing the game from inside. Marcus Smart doesn't really make any sense on that team. They don't need guard defense off the bench. They need guys who can hit shots. It makes more sense to keep Noel and play him 20-25 minutes than to have Smart take away minutes from their shooters for 15-20 minutes per night off the bench. I really don't see it at all from Philly's perspective.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
It's just a bad fit. It's magnified by the fact it might be difficult for Boston to keep Noel and still have max cap room to add a significant free agent. It's less of a problem for Philly who has tons of cap space. They can keep Noel and still have plenty of room to add a major player.
My guess Philly has shifted it's stance and Okafor is the one most readily available. I still think Okafor is an intriguing prospect who is clearly much better offensively than defensively at this point. It's tough to really guess what he's worth. He's got flaws, but it's fair to note that even this year he's statistically outperforming every single 2016 draftee. You can't really write him off yet considering his natural talent and age. Clearly his lack of elite defense and rebounding makes him less desirable to fans. Ainge has clearly had interest over the past year, but who knows what he's offering at this point. Even if Boston were willing to trade Marcus for Okafor, I still don't see how Marcus would fit with the construction of Philly's roster now and heading forward.
LOL. You never were good with context, were ya?
I'm not disagreeing with you that from Boston's perspective trading Smart for Noel would make some sense (but only if they could retain max cap space this Summer). I'm just not seeing it for Philly. It's a bad fit.
I've laid out why it IS a good trade for Philly elsewhere, i.e. since it looks like they won't get higher than a 7th pick this year in the draft and won't have any real good opportunity to improve their guard position otherwise. But that's another argument.
The context disproving your thesis with Noel is this:
1) Noel is NOT a backup in this league;
2) Noel does NOT want to be a backup in this league;
3) The Sixers are NOT going to pay the money needed to keep him, especially as a backup;
4) The Sixers are NOT going to force an unhappy player to be a backup at a majorly expensive price.
That's just not how it works in reality, Lar. You can sit here and say they can keep him all you want, but every single thing coming out of that place suggests that he's still getting traded.
#2 - He recently said he was very pleased with his role. Perhaps the happiest he's ever been. So that seems like old info there.
#3 - I disagree. They'll pay him. Plenty of reason to.
#4 - Doesn't sound like he's unhappy. Again... old news.
You're coming at this with a very November 2016 point of view. You might want to join us in January 2017. Okafor seems to be the odd man out at this point. Noel looks like he might stay.
Also, none of your points have anything to do with why Philly would want to trade for Marcus Smart. They need shooting. Guard defense isn't really a priority. Nor is it for most of the league, honestly. Interior defense is exponentially more important. Generally, you want offense from your guards in the modern NBA.
maybe he's available in the sense that no one is untouchable?I'm a fan of Marcus and still hold out hope he'll make a leap over the second half of the season, but he's clearly the most overrated player on this forum. He's definitely available. I don't think he has much trade value, though. There just isn't a market for guards who can't shoot in this league. And guard defense just doesn't matter as much as big man defense. Nobody has ever built a great team defense around a guard. That's just not how basketball works.
Honestly, I imagine Boston has tried shipping out Smart for Noel for the past two years and Philly has turned them down. Then this Summer, I think it probably flipped where Philly reluctantly called up and said, "hey, we changed our mind... we'll take Smart for Noel" to which Boston replied, "Yeah, about that... We're no longer interested"... And as we head into the trade deadline I imagine Boston calling up to say, "Hey uh... actually on second thought, we'll do Smart for Noel" to which Philly will be like, "Nah... We good."
Yes, Larry. Trading Smart will only be in your imagination.
There's LITERALLY been zero indication that Smart is available. No rumors, no speculation, nothing. Just more top-notch analysis from LarBrd33.
dangANNNNDDDD we havent stopped talking bout Philly.I mean some of us want to talk about the fact that the Cavs, Raptors, Rockets were slumping but I guess Im in the wrong thread.1st Seed is still in play for the Celtics.
Oh wow I didn't realize that Butler had 40 points last night (and Wade 33).Starting to think I might have undersold Butler by calling him a Premium Brand Ricky Davis. He's been pretty great this season individually, though I still don't see him as someone to build a team around... and it seems Chicago doesn't either if they are continuing to listen to offers. I would rather keep the 2017 Brooklyn pick, but I worry a little about one of our future rivals snagging Butler.
I don't blame them for being mad. 73 combined points and they still lost...
No one else for the Bulls stepped up at all...
Oh wow I didn't realize that Butler had 40 points last night (and Wade 33).Starting to think I might have undersold Butler by calling him a Premium Brand Ricky Davis. He's been pretty great this season individually, though I still don't see him as someone to build a team around... and it seems Chicago doesn't either if they are continuing to listen to offers. I would rather keep the 2017 Brooklyn pick, but I worry a little about one of our future rivals snagging Butler.
I don't blame them for being mad. 73 combined points and they still lost...
No one else for the Bulls stepped up at all...
It might be time to start calling Butler a Luxury Brand Ricky Davis. Like... he's still just Premium Brand Ricky Davis, but it also includes Truffle Oil so it's like... way more swank.
Oh wow I didn't realize that Butler had 40 points last night (and Wade 33).Starting to think I might have undersold Butler by calling him a Premium Brand Ricky Davis. He's been pretty great this season individually, though I still don't see him as someone to build a team around... and it seems Chicago doesn't either if they are continuing to listen to offers. I would rather keep the 2017 Brooklyn pick, but I worry a little about one of our future rivals snagging Butler.
I don't blame them for being mad. 73 combined points and they still lost...
No one else for the Bulls stepped up at all...
It might be time to start calling Butler a Luxury Brand Ricky Davis. Like... he's still just Premium Brand Ricky Davis, but it also includes Truffle Oil so it's like... way more swank.
You are not alone, i thought he was a slight upgrade from Crowder.Oh wow I didn't realize that Butler had 40 points last night (and Wade 33).Starting to think I might have undersold Butler by calling him a Premium Brand Ricky Davis. He's been pretty great this season individually, though I still don't see him as someone to build a team around... and it seems Chicago doesn't either if they are continuing to listen to offers. I would rather keep the 2017 Brooklyn pick, but I worry a little about one of our future rivals snagging Butler.
I don't blame them for being mad. 73 combined points and they still lost...
No one else for the Bulls stepped up at all...
It might be time to start calling Butler a Luxury Brand Ricky Davis. Like... he's still just Premium Brand Ricky Davis, but it also includes Truffle Oil so it's like... way more swank.
He was hurt a lot last year and that team is truly horrible outside of him. He completely completely carries them.Oh wow I didn't realize that Butler had 40 points last night (and Wade 33).Starting to think I might have undersold Butler by calling him a Premium Brand Ricky Davis. He's been pretty great this season individually, though I still don't see him as someone to build a team around... and it seems Chicago doesn't either if they are continuing to listen to offers. I would rather keep the 2017 Brooklyn pick, but I worry a little about one of our future rivals snagging Butler.
I don't blame them for being mad. 73 combined points and they still lost...
No one else for the Bulls stepped up at all...
It might be time to start calling Butler a Luxury Brand Ricky Davis. Like... he's still just Premium Brand Ricky Davis, but it also includes Truffle Oil so it's like... way more swank.
I view Butler as a very nice #2 piece on a championship team (especially with his elite two-way play), but he's not the alpha on any team honestly.
He is for the Bulls now but they are struggling to keep the 8 seed in the East (and last season they missed the playoffs)
Crowder has been terrific, though. 14 points, 5 rebounds with 49%/42%/90% shooting is pretty outstanding if he can keep it up for a season. Crowder is like the 4th option on our offense, though. You add Butler and presumably both he and Thomas take less of an offensive role than their current situations. Would Butler be as efficient as Jae playing next to these guys? Maybe. Maybe not. Alternatively, how much greater would Crowder's role be if he swapped places with Butler in Chicago? How much would his efficiency take a dive?You are not alone, i thought he was a slight upgrade from Crowder.Oh wow I didn't realize that Butler had 40 points last night (and Wade 33).Starting to think I might have undersold Butler by calling him a Premium Brand Ricky Davis. He's been pretty great this season individually, though I still don't see him as someone to build a team around... and it seems Chicago doesn't either if they are continuing to listen to offers. I would rather keep the 2017 Brooklyn pick, but I worry a little about one of our future rivals snagging Butler.
I don't blame them for being mad. 73 combined points and they still lost...
No one else for the Bulls stepped up at all...
It might be time to start calling Butler a Luxury Brand Ricky Davis. Like... he's still just Premium Brand Ricky Davis, but it also includes Truffle Oil so it's like... way more swank.
Kanter fractured his arm by punching a chair today.
Jokic is such a stud. If he were in a major market more people would realize it.
Jokic is such a stud. If he were in a major market more people would realize it.
Wow, minutes after saying that I think he tore his knee. Hopefully not, but it's non-contact so that scares me.
Jokic is such a stud. If he were in a major market more people would realize it.
Wow, minutes after saying that I think he tore his knee. Hopefully not, but it's non-contact so that scares me.
Jokic is such a stud. If he were in a major market more people would realize it.
Wow, minutes after saying that I think he tore his knee. Hopefully not, but it's non-contact so that scares me.
Jokic is such a stud. If he were in a major market more people would realize it.
Wow, minutes after saying that I think he tore his knee. Hopefully not, but it's non-contact so that scares me.
I thought it looked like a charlie horse to the left leg.
Jokic is such a stud. If he were in a major market more people would realize it.
Wow, minutes after saying that I think he tore his knee. Hopefully not, but it's non-contact so that scares me.
https://twitter.com/DigInDenver/status/824836750065307656
Link to Jokic's injury. See how the left knee buckles and any contact by Booker's knee, if there was any, wouldn't have caused that reaction.
https://twitter.com/DigInDenver/status/824836750065307656
Link to Jokic's injury. See how the left knee buckles and any contact by Booker's knee, if there was any, wouldn't have caused that reaction.
Kanter fractured his arm by punching a chair today.
Ouch.
Sources on @TheVertical: After punching chair to fracture forearm, OKC's Enes Kanter could miss two months.
https://twitter.com/DigInDenver/status/824836750065307656
Link to Jokic's injury. See how the left knee buckles and any contact by Booker's knee, if there was any, wouldn't have caused that reaction.
are you hinting at what Jokic's injury might be?
Jokic tore his knee, that knee buckle pretty much sealed it.Word is that its a "hip strain"
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5qat1j/statistically_analysis_russell_westbrooks/
im depth analysis of westbrook s rebounding from reddit. OP claims it is stat padding. what do ppl think?
They are saying its a left hip strain, and Jokic was in high spirits afterwards.Agreed. Embiid is next on my watch.
Jokic and Greek Freak are my two favorite non-Celtics to watch.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5qat1j/statistically_analysis_russell_westbrooks/
im depth analysis of westbrook s rebounding from reddit. OP claims it is stat padding. what do ppl think?
ET is back with his insane tweets
https://mobile.twitter.com/thekidet/status/824774537858338816T
ET is back with his insane tweets
https://mobile.twitter.com/thekidet/status/824774537858338816T
Now deleted. What did it say?
ET is back with his insane tweets
https://mobile.twitter.com/thekidet/status/824774537858338816T
Now deleted. What did it say?
My bad, I accidentally added a T at the end of the link. I fixed it now.
Just in case, here is a screenshot of it.
(https://i.gyazo.com/1f94f275c71f9518e90ec4bee49707af.png)
The comment section is p good too. I put here a highlight.
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Kanter fractured his arm by punching a chair today.
Kanter fractured his arm by punching a chair today.
At least he didn't bang his head on the doorway or slip in the shower.
Mike
So as "punishment", Butler and Wade won't START on Friday and will come off the bench.I was watching the Bulls game during our breaks. Score now is 99-87 for Miami. And that is Miami without Whiteside.
Things looking really good down in Chicago.
didn't watch the game, but Harden put on some insane numbers against Philly
(https://i.gyazo.com/a5e7f3d18bb9d38057666ff9313a4425.png)
Rondo had a nice game 13pts (6-8), 7reb, 7 ast, 3 stl. Wade was 6-17 and Butler was 1-13 shooting. If you're going to complain about your teammates publicly, you better bring it the next game.So as "punishment", Butler and Wade won't START on Friday and will come off the bench.I was watching the Bulls game during our breaks. Score now is 99-87 for Miami. And that is Miami without Whiteside.
Things looking really good down in Chicago.
Some quick remarks. Bulls D was a mess. Dragic could go anywhere he wanted.
Their offence was bad too.My impression from this game is that their players do not know their roles, and they often 'freeze' at the offence.
Rondo is not helping much. He is slow, rarely drives to the paint, and is dribbling waiting for someone to cut and try a spectacular pass. Still has a midrange shot, but his game is too predictable for the defence.
Wade was good, but he plays on his own. He still posts a lot, which is impressive for someone his age.
Overall they looked unmotivated, and I would not be surprised if they have locker room issues too. Hornets and Bucks (the teams right below the Bulls in the standings) play with more energy and are by comparison a pleasure to watch.
I wonder how many of these problems come from their bench: no role distribution, messed up defensive rotation, poor psychology. I never thought much of Hoiberg tbh. What do other people think of him?
So as "punishment", Butler and Wade won't START on Friday and will come off the bench.I was watching the Bulls game during our breaks. Score now is 99-87 for Miami. And that is Miami without Whiteside.
Things looking really good down in Chicago.
Some quick remarks. Bulls D was a mess. Dragic could go anywhere he wanted.
Their offence was bad too.My impression from this game is that their players do not know their roles, and they often 'freeze' at the offence.
Rondo is not helping much. He is slow, rarely drives to the paint, and is dribbling waiting for someone to cut and try a spectacular pass. Still has a midrange shot, but his game is too predictable for the defence.
Wade was good, but he plays on his own. He still posts a lot, which is impressive for someone his age.
Overall they looked unmotivated, and I would not be surprised if they have locker room issues too. Hornets and Bucks (the teams right below the Bulls in the standings) play with more energy and are by comparison a pleasure to watch.
I wonder how many of these problems come from their bench: no role distribution, messed up defensive rotation, poor psychology. I never thought much of Hoiberg tbh. What do other people think of him?
didn't watch the game, but Harden put on some insane numbers against Philly
(https://i.gyazo.com/a5e7f3d18bb9d38057666ff9313a4425.png)
So as "punishment", Butler and Wade won't START on Friday and will come off the bench.I was watching the Bulls game during our breaks. Score now is 99-87 for Miami. And that is Miami without Whiteside.
Things looking really good down in Chicago.
Some quick remarks. Bulls D was a mess. Dragic could go anywhere he wanted.
Their offence was bad too.My impression from this game is that their players do not know their roles, and they often 'freeze' at the offence.
Rondo is not helping much. He is slow, rarely drives to the paint, and is dribbling waiting for someone to cut and try a spectacular pass. Still has a midrange shot, but his game is too predictable for the defence.
Wade was good, but he plays on his own. He still posts a lot, which is impressive for someone his age.
Overall they looked unmotivated, and I would not be surprised if they have locker room issues too. Hornets and Bucks (the teams right below the Bulls in the standings) play with more energy and are by comparison a pleasure to watch.
I wonder how many of these problems come from their bench: no role distribution, messed up defensive rotation, poor psychology. I never thought much of Hoiberg tbh. What do other people think of him?
Rondo had a nice game 13pts (6-8), 7reb, 7 ast, 3 stl. Wade was 6-17 and Butler was 1-13 shooting. If you're going to complain about your teammates publicly, you better bring it the next game.So as "punishment", Butler and Wade won't START on Friday and will come off the bench.I was watching the Bulls game during our breaks. Score now is 99-87 for Miami. And that is Miami without Whiteside.
Things looking really good down in Chicago.
Some quick remarks. Bulls D was a mess. Dragic could go anywhere he wanted.
Their offence was bad too.My impression from this game is that their players do not know their roles, and they often 'freeze' at the offence.
Rondo is not helping much. He is slow, rarely drives to the paint, and is dribbling waiting for someone to cut and try a spectacular pass. Still has a midrange shot, but his game is too predictable for the defence.
Wade was good, but he plays on his own. He still posts a lot, which is impressive for someone his age.
Overall they looked unmotivated, and I would not be surprised if they have locker room issues too. Hornets and Bucks (the teams right below the Bulls in the standings) play with more energy and are by comparison a pleasure to watch.
I wonder how many of these problems come from their bench: no role distribution, messed up defensive rotation, poor psychology. I never thought much of Hoiberg tbh. What do other people think of him?
Rondo had a nice game 13pts (6-8), 7reb, 7 ast, 3 stl. Wade was 6-17 and Butler was 1-13 shooting. If you're going to complain about your teammates publicly, you better bring it the next game.So as "punishment", Butler and Wade won't START on Friday and will come off the bench.I was watching the Bulls game during our breaks. Score now is 99-87 for Miami. And that is Miami without Whiteside.
Things looking really good down in Chicago.
Some quick remarks. Bulls D was a mess. Dragic could go anywhere he wanted.
Their offence was bad too.My impression from this game is that their players do not know their roles, and they often 'freeze' at the offence.
Rondo is not helping much. He is slow, rarely drives to the paint, and is dribbling waiting for someone to cut and try a spectacular pass. Still has a midrange shot, but his game is too predictable for the defence.
Wade was good, but he plays on his own. He still posts a lot, which is impressive for someone his age.
Overall they looked unmotivated, and I would not be surprised if they have locker room issues too. Hornets and Bucks (the teams right below the Bulls in the standings) play with more energy and are by comparison a pleasure to watch.
I wonder how many of these problems come from their bench: no role distribution, messed up defensive rotation, poor psychology. I never thought much of Hoiberg tbh. What do other people think of him?
Most Bulls fans were p---ed at both Wade and Butler that game. The Bulls actually played better when both Butler and Wade were sitting and Rondo ran with the youngsters.
Rondo is right. KG and Pierce wouldnt go to the media about team effort. They will hit the gym and bring it the next game. They wouldnt put out such a disgusting performance like Butler and Wade did.
Rondo had a nice game 13pts (6-8), 7reb, 7 ast, 3 stl. Wade was 6-17 and Butler was 1-13 shooting. If you're going to complain about your teammates publicly, you better bring it the next game.So as "punishment", Butler and Wade won't START on Friday and will come off the bench.I was watching the Bulls game during our breaks. Score now is 99-87 for Miami. And that is Miami without Whiteside.
Things looking really good down in Chicago.
Some quick remarks. Bulls D was a mess. Dragic could go anywhere he wanted.
Their offence was bad too.My impression from this game is that their players do not know their roles, and they often 'freeze' at the offence.
Rondo is not helping much. He is slow, rarely drives to the paint, and is dribbling waiting for someone to cut and try a spectacular pass. Still has a midrange shot, but his game is too predictable for the defence.
Wade was good, but he plays on his own. He still posts a lot, which is impressive for someone his age.
Overall they looked unmotivated, and I would not be surprised if they have locker room issues too. Hornets and Bucks (the teams right below the Bulls in the standings) play with more energy and are by comparison a pleasure to watch.
I wonder how many of these problems come from their bench: no role distribution, messed up defensive rotation, poor psychology. I never thought much of Hoiberg tbh. What do other people think of him?
Most Bulls fans were p---ed at both Wade and Butler that game. The Bulls actually played better when both Butler and Wade were sitting and Rondo ran with the youngsters.
Rondo is right. KG and Pierce wouldnt go to the media about team effort. They will hit the gym and bring it the next game. They wouldnt put out such a disgusting performance like Butler and Wade did.
Were they really bad?
Thing is...
What were they thinking of, when they picked up Wade, Rondo, to put them alongside Jimmy Butler?
@Monkhouse
If they do not make the playoffs, the signings of Rondo and Wade this summer will look silly.
Good one in Charlotte. The Hornets about to come back from a big fourth quarter deficit and beat the Kings just like Indiana did last night, even though Cousins is dominating with 27, 13, and 4. Would be a nice, demoralizing loss for the Boogie Watch!
Good one in Charlotte. The Hornets about to come back from a big fourth quarter deficit and beat the Kings just like Indiana did last night, even though Cousins is dominating with 27, 13, and 4. Would be a nice, demoralizing loss for the Boogie Watch!
Good one in Charlotte. The Hornets about to come back from a big fourth quarter deficit and beat the Kings just like Indiana did last night, even though Cousins is dominating with 27, 13, and 4. Would be a nice, demoralizing loss for the Boogie Watch!
Potter you got to stop calling these kings game before they are over
Watching this 2nd overtime at NY @ ATL. All Melo does is shoot jumpshotscontested incredibly difficult jumpers.
Watching this 2nd overtime at NY @ ATL. All Melo does is shoot jumpshotscontested incredibly difficult jumpers.
but he makes a crazy percentage of them.
once KP goes out I think NYKs best offense is probably just Melo taking insanely difficult ISOs. Thats how poorly that roster is constructed.Watching this 2nd overtime at NY @ ATL. All Melo does is shoot jumpshotscontested incredibly difficult jumpers.
but he makes a crazy percentage of them.
And better him shooting them than Brandon Jennings or Joachim Noah, who are also on the court.
I think the Rondo and Wade signings were all upper management moves to squeeze as much money out of this season as possible before a full rebuild. Signing Rondo and Wade set them back as much as 2-3 years of rebuilding because they really had the chance to bottom out this year and get their hands on a top 5 draft pick in this incredibly strong draft, all while developing their young guys like Portis and Mr. Dougie McBuckets.@Monkhouse
If they do not make the playoffs, the signings of Rondo and Wade this summer will look silly.
I'd argue they look really silly regardless. Wade? Maybe I can see it. Rondo? No clue what they were thinking.
Watching Noel, it's clear that he has significantly improved his offensive abilities. Though still limited offensively, this year he's finishing at an elite level with much better hands, and his jumpshot and passing have both tremendously improved.
Orlando up 9 at halftime over Toronto! That'd be a major win for our hopes for the 2nd seed going into the All Star break and having Brad coach the East All Stars!
4 overtimes? Wow. I don't think I have ever seen that before.
Orlando up 9 at halftime over Toronto! That'd be a major win for our hopes for the 2nd seed going into the All Star break and having Brad coach the East All Stars!
Magic up 12 with 4:30
Good Lord, Lowry and Derozan get bailed out with foul calls all of the time by just running straight into traffic and throwing the ball toward the rim.
Orlando up 9 at halftime over Toronto! That'd be a major win for our hopes for the 2nd seed going into the All Star break and having Brad coach the East All Stars!
Magic up 12 with 4:30
The Boston game all over again -_-Orlando up 9 at halftime over Toronto! That'd be a major win for our hopes for the 2nd seed going into the All Star break and having Brad coach the East All Stars!
Magic up 12 with 4:30
They're choking it away.
So we officially have the #2 seed for now. When's the cutoff date for selecting the coach of the All-Star game?I think I heard somewhere that its next Sunday. I think it was during the game last night.
So we officially have the #2 seed for now. When's the cutoff date for selecting the coach of the All-Star game?
So we officially have the #2 seed for now. When's the cutoff date for selecting the coach of the All-Star game?I think I heard somewhere that its next Sunday. I think it was during the game last night.
So we officially have the #2 seed for now. When's the cutoff date for selecting the coach of the All-Star game?I think I heard somewhere that its next Sunday. I think it was during the game last night.
This is correct. Wednesday's game should decide it.
So we officially have the #2 seed for now. When's the cutoff date for selecting the coach of the All-Star game?
So we officially have the #2 seed for now. When's the cutoff date for selecting the coach of the All-Star game?
Good question. Really important that CBS gets that gig, develop a relationship with Giannis, Butler.
2nd place, baby! If we keep things going, we could legitimately have a couple game lead on Toronto at the All Star Break. Just have to take care of business on Wednesday, which is a crucial game.
2nd place, baby! If we keep things going, we could legitimately have a couple game lead on Toronto at the All Star Break. Just have to take care of business on Wednesday, which is a crucial game.
Don't jinx it please. Unless your feed is minutes ahead of me.
2nd place, baby! If we keep things going, we could legitimately have a couple game lead on Toronto at the All Star Break. Just have to take care of business on Wednesday, which is a crucial game.
Don't jinx it please. Unless your feed is minutes ahead of me.
2nd place, baby! If we keep things going, we could legitimately have a couple game lead on Toronto at the All Star Break. Just have to take care of business on Wednesday, which is a crucial game.
Don't jinx it please. Unless your feed is minutes ahead of me.
Man, Raps did not quit there. Still SECOND PLACE BABY!!!
When was the last time this happened? Was Ray Allen still playing for us?
2nd place, baby! If we keep things going, we could legitimately have a couple game lead on Toronto at the All Star Break. Just have to take care of business on Wednesday, which is a crucial game.
Don't jinx it please. Unless your feed is minutes ahead of me.
Man, Raps did not quit there. Still SECOND PLACE BABY!!!
When was the last time this happened? Was Ray Allen still playing for us?
This deep into the season? Maybe Perk was around.
Philly doing it again.
Ilyasova was a huge upgrade for that team, and Covington is blossoming further.
Would love to face them in the first round of the playoffs...
Quite the turn around for Washington.
They started the season 2-8 and have gone 25-12 since.
Since 11/17 (when Washington was 2-8), the best records in the East are as follows:
Washington: 25-12
Cleveland: 23-12
Boston: 23-13
Toronto: 22-15
Quite the turn around for Washington.
They started the season 2-8 and have gone 25-12 since.
Since 11/17 (when Washington was 2-8), the best records in the East are as follows:
Washington: 25-12
Cleveland: 23-12
Boston: 23-13
Toronto: 22-15
I knew they were doing better than before, but had not realized it was so dang impressive. What might have caused this? Adaptations by the coach?
Quite the turn around for Washington.
They started the season 2-8 and have gone 25-12 since.
Since 11/17 (when Washington was 2-8), the best records in the East are as follows:
Washington: 25-12
Cleveland: 23-12
Boston: 23-13
Toronto: 22-15
I knew they were doing better than before, but had not realized it was so dang impressive. What might have caused this? Adaptations by the coach?
Quite the turn around for Washington.
They started the season 2-8 and have gone 25-12 since.
Since 11/17 (when Washington was 2-8), the best records in the East are as follows:
Washington: 25-12
Cleveland: 23-12
Boston: 23-13
Toronto: 22-15
I knew they were doing better than before, but had not realized it was so dang impressive. What might have caused this? Adaptations by the coach?
The rotation has been really tightened. Their starters are playing an incredible amount of minutes -- curious to see if they can maintain these minutes, or maintain their performance if they play fewer. Wall and Gortat are both above 1600 minutes on the year, and Porter will be his next game. All of their starters are above 1400 minutes -- only IT has played that many on Boston. Morris has played the 5th-most minutes, and is only 5 minutes behind IT for the year.
Wall is on pace for the second-most minutes of his career. Everyone else is on pace to set a new career high, some by several hundred minutes. I think they're going to have a really rough March when it starts to catch up to them.
Last season there were talks that Beal would have a career long minutes restriction. Makes me wonder whatever happened to that.Quite the turn around for Washington.
They started the season 2-8 and have gone 25-12 since.
Since 11/17 (when Washington was 2-8), the best records in the East are as follows:
Washington: 25-12
Cleveland: 23-12
Boston: 23-13
Toronto: 22-15
I knew they were doing better than before, but had not realized it was so dang impressive. What might have caused this? Adaptations by the coach?
The rotation has been really tightened. Their starters are playing an incredible amount of minutes -- curious to see if they can maintain these minutes, or maintain their performance if they play fewer. Wall and Gortat are both above 1600 minutes on the year, and Porter will be his next game. All of their starters are above 1400 minutes -- only IT has played that many on Boston. Morris has played the 5th-most minutes, and is only 5 minutes behind IT for the year.
Wall is on pace for the second-most minutes of his career. Everyone else is on pace to set a new career high, some by several hundred minutes. I think they're going to have a really rough March when it starts to catch up to them.
2nd place, baby! If we keep things going, we could legitimately have a couple game lead on Toronto at the All Star Break. Just have to take care of business on Wednesday, which is a crucial game.
Don't jinx it please. Unless your feed is minutes ahead of me.
Man, Raps did not quit there. Still SECOND PLACE BABY!!!
When was the last time this happened? Was Ray Allen still playing for us?
This deep into the season? Maybe Perk was around.
It took DA less time to rebuild than for me to graduate college -_-2nd place, baby! If we keep things going, we could legitimately have a couple game lead on Toronto at the All Star Break. Just have to take care of business on Wednesday, which is a crucial game.
Don't jinx it please. Unless your feed is minutes ahead of me.
Man, Raps did not quit there. Still SECOND PLACE BABY!!!
When was the last time this happened? Was Ray Allen still playing for us?
This deep into the season? Maybe Perk was around.
When I was still a high school student. Geez, times have changed!
Anyone watching this Trailblazers/Warriors game? It's another epic ending with the Trailblazers coming back in the last minute.
Draymond Green is not an all star.
They should have selected KAT. Or even Rudy Gobbert... but this guy, no. Not this season. ET had the same stat line last year for us...
Cousins just had 46 points on 11-16 fgs, 4-6 3pfgs, and 20-22 fts (which is just absolutely insane) with 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 1 block (8 TOs, though) - yet they still lost to Philly sans Embiid lol
Man, Boogie, just force your way to Boston already!!
Cavs lost, and finished 7-8 in January. That's LeBron's first losing month since 2006. There is real trouble in Cleveland -- hopefully we can take advantage of it and pass them in the standings.
The next domino for the Apocalypse has fallen, Ricky Rubio has shot 6-9...from 3
The next domino for the Apocalypse has fallen, Ricky Rubio has shot 6-9...from 3
6/9 from 3 feet is good, but I wouldn't get too excited.
They probably will still win but cavs down 8 against a Dallas team starting d league star yogi Ferrell and Seth curry. I think Lebron needs to be **** down for a week or two to rejuvenate in Florida like last year the whole cavs team seems wiped. Jarret jack will not solve this.
Joel Embiid draws a ridiculous 10.0 fouls per 36 minutes. For perspective, Harden draws 6.1. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5r1vuy/joel_embiid_draws_a_ridiculous_100_fouls_per_36/)
From reddit
Joel Embiid draws a ridiculous 10.0 fouls per 36 minutes. For perspective, Harden draws 6.1. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5r1vuy/joel_embiid_draws_a_ridiculous_100_fouls_per_36/)
From reddit
Embiid has HOF written all over him, only thing stopping him is his own body
Cousins just had 46 points on 11-16 fgs, 4-6 3pfgs, and 20-22 fts (which is just absolutely insane) with 15 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 1 block (8 TOs, though) - yet they still lost to Philly sans Embiid lol
Man, Boogie, just force your way to Boston already!!
Did anyone watch the Philly-Sac game? A summary would be appreciated
(http://i.giphy.com/CDJo4EgHwbaPS.gif)
Joel Embiid draws a ridiculous 10.0 fouls per 36 minutes. For perspective, Harden draws 6.1. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5r1vuy/joel_embiid_draws_a_ridiculous_100_fouls_per_36/)
From reddit
Embiid has HOF written all over him, only thing stopping him is his own body
From what I've read, his vertebrae fracture was caused by his body being too large to be supported by his spinal cord. Incredible talent, seems like a cool guy, too... I hope he has a long career.
Joel Embiid draws a ridiculous 10.0 fouls per 36 minutes. For perspective, Harden draws 6.1. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5r1vuy/joel_embiid_draws_a_ridiculous_100_fouls_per_36/)
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Embiid has HOF written all over him, only thing stopping him is his own body
From what I've read, his vertebrae fracture was caused by his body being too large to be supported by his spinal cord. Incredible talent, seems like a cool guy, too... I hope he has a long career.
I think what scares me most about his injury problems is that he didn't start playing basketball till 15 so he only has a few miles on it so far.
Don't look now but the Raps are currently losing to the Pelicans at home.
Don't look now but the Raps are currently losing to the Pelicans at home.
Winning basketball games becomes a helluva lot harder when you're missing your best player.
Don't look now but the Raps are currently losing to the Pelicans at home.
Winning basketball games becomes a helluva lot harder when you're missing your best player.
Don't look now but the Raps are currently losing to the Pelicans at home.
Winning basketball games becomes a helluva lot harder when you're missing your best player.
I know this is subjective but personally I think Lowry's their best player. I'd label Derozan as their best scorer.
Nonetheless, what you say is very true. As Chambers was saying, I wish Celtics fans would get that.
Don't look now but the Raps are currently losing to the Pelicans at home.
Winning basketball games becomes a helluva lot harder when you're missing your best player.
I know this is subjective but personally I think Lowry's their best player. I'd label Derozan as their best scorer.
Nonetheless, what you say is very true. As Chambers was saying, I wish Celtics fans would get that.
It's not even subjective. Lowry is much better. But they're missing their second-best player, and it's hard to win without your second-best player.
Just tuned into this toronto/NOLA game with 6 mins to play. Havent seen AD get a touch on offense in 3 minutes of action. This is why the pelicans are bad
Did freaking Jrue Holiday just blow like four straight offensive possessions for them without AD even touching the ball??AD had one touch in the last 6 minutes.
Don't look now but the Raps are currently losing to the Pelicans at home.
Winning basketball games becomes a helluva lot harder when you're missing your best player.
I know this is subjective but personally I think Lowry's their best player. I'd label Derozan as their best scorer.
Nonetheless, what you say is very true. As Chambers was saying, I wish Celtics fans would get that.
It's not even subjective. Lowry is much better. But they're missing their second-best player, and it's hard to win without your second-best player.
I like Lowry more too and thought he is at least as good as DeRozan. But I felt ppl would think I am clueless if I said so lol
Advanced metrics support this view
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Well at least the Pels and Raptors are going into OT. Hell let it go into 3 OTs. Wear the Raps down so that they're ragged tomorrow when they play us. I want that win.
Did freaking Jrue Holiday just blow like four straight offensive possessions for them without AD even touching the ball??
We all dream of Boogie, but the guy I really want is AD. I'd trade all the picks for him.
Yab+Zizic+2017 Brooklyn, 2018 Brooklyn, 2019 Memphis, 2019 Clippers, 2020 Celtics. Amir and Zeller for salaries. Danny needs to push in all the chips.
Did freaking Jrue Holiday just blow like four straight offensive possessions for them without AD even touching the ball??
Dude, AD is off. He's 2-15 and been brutal for the few minutes I've watched. He probably shouldn't be touching it at this point. On a related note, Toronto heading to OT the night before our key matchup is awesome.
Did freaking Jrue Holiday just blow like four straight offensive possessions for them without AD even touching the ball??
Dude, AD is off. He's 2-15 and been brutal for the few minutes I've watched. He probably shouldn't be touching it at this point. On a related note, Toronto heading to OT the night before our key matchup is awesome.
I've had the game on in the background while doing some work, and I only started really paying attention in the last six minutes or so. So my bad. All I saw was Jrue miss on like four straight possessions down the stretch.
We all dream of Boogie, but the guy I really want is AD. I'd trade all the picks for him.
Yab+Zizic+2017 Brooklyn, 2018 Brooklyn, 2019 Memphis, 2019 Clippers, 2020 Celtics. Amir and Zeller for salaries. Danny needs to push in all the chips.
We all dream of Boogie, but the guy I really want is AD. I'd trade all the picks for him.
Yab+Zizic+2017 Brooklyn, 2018 Brooklyn, 2019 Memphis, 2019 Clippers, 2020 Celtics. Amir and Zeller for salaries. Danny needs to push in all the chips.
AD would be fabulous. Do you think there is a chance NOP decides they are better off trading him?
Raptors missing DeRozan, doesn't matter.
Pelicans playing "without" Anthony Davis as well...
The Raptors are a bunch of floppers... Especially Lowry.
Patterson got away with a major moving screen there, too.
Raptors missing DeRozan, doesn't matter.
Pelicans playing "without" Anthony Davis as well...
Spoke too soon! lol
We all dream of Boogie, but the guy I really want is AD. I'd trade all the picks for him.
Yab+Zizic+2017 Brooklyn, 2018 Brooklyn, 2019 Memphis, 2019 Clippers, 2020 Celtics. Amir and Zeller for salaries. Danny needs to push in all the chips.
AD would be fabulous. Do you think there is a chance NOP decides they are better off trading him?
Not for the next two years minimum.
We all dream of Boogie, but the guy I really want is AD. I'd trade all the picks for him.
Yab+Zizic+2017 Brooklyn, 2018 Brooklyn, 2019 Memphis, 2019 Clippers, 2020 Celtics. Amir and Zeller for salaries. Danny needs to push in all the chips.
AD would be fabulous. Do you think there is a chance NOP decides they are better off trading him?
Not for the next two years minimum.
This is what I am thinking too. That he is untradable. But maybe saltlover has something in mind (?)
AD should just force his way out of NO. I have very little confidence in their management to put enough talent around him to compete for championships.
Plus their home crowds are basically non-existent. He doesn't get enough appreciation down there. You can get tickets for dirt cheap and their arena is typically next to empty at home games.
Come to the C's AD. New England fans are far, far superior. You'll see.
Pelicans blew it completely...
C'mon little pelican. Fly Pelican! Manny come look at the PELICAN fly!
We all dream of Boogie, but the guy I really want is AD. I'd trade all the picks for him.
Yab+Zizic+2017 Brooklyn, 2018 Brooklyn, 2019 Memphis, 2019 Clippers, 2020 Celtics. Amir and Zeller for salaries. Danny needs to push in all the chips.
AD would be fabulous. Do you think there is a chance NOP decides they are better off trading him?
Not for the next two years minimum.
This is what I am thinking too. That he is untradable. But maybe saltlover has something in mind (?)
I agree, but I dont see NOP moving him.We all dream of Boogie, but the guy I really want is AD. I'd trade all the picks for him.
Yab+Zizic+2017 Brooklyn, 2018 Brooklyn, 2019 Memphis, 2019 Clippers, 2020 Celtics. Amir and Zeller for salaries. Danny needs to push in all the chips.
AD would be fabulous. Do you think there is a chance NOP decides they are better off trading him?
Not for the next two years minimum.
This is what I am thinking too. That he is untradable. But maybe saltlover has something in mind (?)
All I'm saying is that Danny should push in all his chips while he still has them. 7 1st rounders, including almost certainly two top 5 picks, is an offer like no one has ever seen. I don't think New Orleans trades him either, but if you realize what you have isn't working and will never work, it's a way to completely restart your franchise. And it's an offer they'd never see again.
They have a lot of salary tied up for the next 3 seasons, and have a bottom 5 record despite Davis being healthy all season. This is pretty much their roster for a couple of years. It's better to admit failure and come up with a solution than deny a problem exists.
@saltlover
what would you offer for DMC?
Sssesh Brandon Ingram is having a brutal stretch lately.His shooting percentages in college were never great (especially his FT%). Interesting to note that Durant was Smart-like from 3 in his rookie year too.
Starting to join the warriors winning the chip is a foregone conclusion. Klay and Curry both on pace for over 40 points may end up with an 80 point half. They are up 20 with Durant having taken 3 shots.
Starting to join the warriors winning the chip is a foregone conclusion. Klay and Curry both on pace for over 40 points may end up with an 80 point half. They are up 20 with Durant having taken 3 shots.
Not you too celticsclay lol
ppl were saying similar things last season, and we all know what happened. IMO that lesson was forgotten far too quickly.
Starting to join the warriors winning the chip is a foregone conclusion. Klay and Curry both on pace for over 40 points may end up with an 80 point half. They are up 20 with Durant having taken 3 shots.
Not you too celticsclay lol
ppl were saying similar things last season, and we all know what happened. IMO that lesson was forgotten far too quickly.
If they stay healthy (and Curry wasn't by the end of things), I will concede as well.
But injuries happen, and until the Celtics are either holding that trophy or have been eliminated, I will still believe in our ability to win.
WOW BULLS CRUSHING THE THUNDER...
74-53. Butler has 20 points.
Starting to join the warriors winning the chip is a foregone conclusion. Klay and Curry both on pace for over 40 points may end up with an 80 point half. They are up 20 with Durant having taken 3 shots.
Not you too celticsclay lol
ppl were saying similar things last season, and we all know what happened. IMO that lesson was forgotten far too quickly.
Starting to join the warriors winning the chip is a foregone conclusion. Klay and Curry both on pace for over 40 points may end up with an 80 point half. They are up 20 with Durant having taken 3 shots.
Not you too celticsclay lol
ppl were saying similar things last season, and we all know what happened. IMO that lesson was forgotten far too quickly.
Believe me I hate to say it. I think they will have some cold shooting games, but not enough to loss 4 out of 7. Also, my biggest take away from that series was that the Warriors will still the better team but the suspension of Green, Injuries to Bogut and Iggy and Curry playing at 60% from a leg injury was really what turned that series more than a choke or Cleveland being better at full strength.
Starting to join the warriors winning the chip is a foregone conclusion. Klay and Curry both on pace for over 40 points may end up with an 80 point half. They are up 20 with Durant having taken 3 shots.
Not you too celticsclay lol
ppl were saying similar things last season, and we all know what happened. IMO that lesson was forgotten far too quickly.
Believe me I hate to say it. I think they will have some cold shooting games, but not enough to loss 4 out of 7. Also, my biggest take away from that series was that the Warriors will still the better team but the suspension of Green, Injuries to Bogut and Iggy and Curry playing at 60% from a leg injury was really what turned that series more than a choke or Cleveland being better at full strength.
@celticsclay
I could play devil's advocate and say similar things about the 2015 finals.
my point though is do not lose hope. even a healthy GSW can lose.
In other news, how on earth did the Bucks go 1-9 in the last 10? Anyone here following their games?
Starting to join the warriors winning the chip is a foregone conclusion. Klay and Curry both on pace for over 40 points may end up with an 80 point half. They are up 20 with Durant having taken 3 shots.
Not you too celticsclay lol
ppl were saying similar things last season, and we all know what happened. IMO that lesson was forgotten far too quickly.
Believe me I hate to say it. I think they will have some cold shooting games, but not enough to loss 4 out of 7. Also, my biggest take away from that series was that the Warriors will still the better team but the suspension of Green, Injuries to Bogut and Iggy and Curry playing at 60% from a leg injury was really what turned that series more than a choke or Cleveland being better at full strength.
They are one injury away from mortality. If either one of Draymond, Iggy or KD got injured, they'll have harder road to win it all. They also have history on injuries, including KD that put their durability with asterisk.
Chicago enquiring about Okafor.
Maybe they are trying to tank after all.
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Dwight Howard said if he gets booed tonight he'll "respect it and understand it," but leaving the Rockets was part of the business of basketball. Howard continues to have good relationships with several Rockets players.
Since Sully came back from injury, Toronto has lost every single game he has played in, and won the ones he didnt.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6624/jared-sullinger
Since Sully came back from injury, Toronto has lost every single game he has played in, and won the ones he didnt.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6624/jared-sullinger
I think there will always be room for him for a team coached by Doc. He sure loves his ex playersSince Sully came back from injury, Toronto has lost every single game he has played in, and won the ones he didnt.
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6624/jared-sullinger
I wonder if he will be out of the league in a few years. I know he is coming back from injury but for a guy always had conditioning problems he doesn't seem like someone that is going to keep coming back from injuries.
Since Sully came back from injury, Toronto has lost every single game he has played in, and won the ones he didnt.The streak lives on
http://www.espn.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/6624/jared-sullinger
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I don't remember listening the name Briante Weber before. Anyone here has watched him play/has some info?
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I don't remember listening the name Briante Weber before. Anyone here has watched him play/has some info?
He went to VCU (like Larry Sanders, different eras though) and played for Shaka Smart. He was the DLeague player of the month for January. Hell of a defender, 6'4" if I remember correctly. Super pesky defender, was always near the NCAA leader in steals. He's a kind of skinny athletic, typical basketball body. He tore his ACL his senior year of college, but before that he was hyper-quick and hyper-athletic. I've seen some highlights on his Instagram feed, and I think he still has that in him. He played for Memphis and Miami previously, but he was one of Miami's last cuts this summer. He's a solid playmaker and shot a ton of threes in college.
He also played with Troy Daniels, who's carved out quite the role in Memphis this year.
I'm a big VCU fan if you can't tell :D
Noel still needs another year or two's work....was just a trainwreck out there against whiteside early.Noel is more of a traditional 4 if anything.
In another thread people are discussing if IT has the Greatest Celtic Offensive Season Ever ....Um, you've heard of Wilt Chamberlain haven't you?
It looks like it more than that !!! Best offensive season ever!!!!
"Impressive " is not strong enough to describe this. He went almost undrafted!!!!! NBA's Brady ????
Melo on the bench the last like 7-8 minutes and Knicks bench goes on a run.
His time in NY is running out honestly...
Melo on the bench the last like 7-8 minutes and Knicks bench goes on a run.
His time in NY is running out honestly...
I'm afraid that he'll accept a trade to Toronto.
Something like Ross, Patterson, Joseph, Poeltl for Melo. Or maybe Suily or a pick instead of one of those guys.
Toronto wants to win now.
Lowry
Derozan
Carroll
Melo
V
That's a scary starting 5
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https://twitter.com/Twolves_PR/status/828004051501604864
Melo on the bench the last like 7-8 minutes and Knicks bench goes on a run.
His time in NY is running out honestly...
I'm afraid that he'll accept a trade to Toronto.
Something like Ross, Patterson, Joseph, Poeltl for Melo. Or maybe Suily or a pick instead of one of those guys.
Toronto wants to win now.
Lowry
Derozan
Carroll
Melo
V
That's a scary starting 5
I'd rather have them win it all over either of Cavs/Warriors.
In another thread people are discussing if IT has the Greatest Celtic Offensive Season Ever ....Um, you've heard of Wilt Chamberlain haven't you?
It looks like it more than that !!! Best offensive season ever!!!!
"Impressive " is not strong enough to describe this. He went almost undrafted!!!!! NBA's Brady ????
In another thread people are discussing if IT has the Greatest Celtic Offensive Season Ever ....Um, you've heard of Wilt Chamberlain haven't you?
It looks like it more than that !!! Best offensive season ever!!!!
"Impressive " is not strong enough to describe this. He went almost undrafted!!!!! NBA's Brady ????
based on the table Greece666 posted...
https://twitter.com/MusikFan4Life/status/828282036016316420?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
This is the second time Draymond and Durant throw some heated exchange.
I find it soo annoying how much hype Washington is getting, like seriously they have only won against 3 +.500 teams during their hot stretch.
I find it soo annoying how much hype Washington is getting, like seriously they have only won against 3 +.500 teams during their hot stretch.Lol same with us
they are probably gonna loose by 33 tonight.I find it soo annoying how much hype Washington is getting, like seriously they have only won against 3 +.500 teams during their hot stretch.
Well tonight is a big test for them.
I find it soo annoying how much hype Washington is getting, like seriously they have only won against 3 +.500 teams during their hot stretch.Lol same with us
they are probably gonna loose by 33 tonight.I find it soo annoying how much hype Washington is getting, like seriously they have only won against 3 +.500 teams during their hot stretch.
Well tonight is a big test for them.I find it soo annoying how much hype Washington is getting, like seriously they have only won against 3 +.500 teams during their hot stretch.Lol same with us
I'd say we got a few more quality wins.
You make some great points, and im afraid I have to agree with you. Its good to take off the green glasses and face reality from time to time.they are probably gonna loose by 33 tonight.I find it soo annoying how much hype Washington is getting, like seriously they have only won against 3 +.500 teams during their hot stretch.
Well tonight is a big test for them.I find it soo annoying how much hype Washington is getting, like seriously they have only won against 3 +.500 teams during their hot stretch.Lol same with us
I'd say we got a few more quality wins.
No, none of our wins count because we're overrated and should have done what Hinkie did, and Brad doesn't know how to coach, Ainge doesn't know how to draft... Where have you been?
Id rather have Washington beat Cavs than other way around.I don't wizards fans are annoying as Edited. Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.
Id rather have Washington beat Cavs than other way around.I don't wizards fans are annoying as ****
Cavs don't play defenseAnd Lebron is not getting any rest... wasn't that one his complaints to Blatt?
Cavs don't play defenseAnd Lebron is not getting any rest... wasn't that one his complaints to Blatt?
blake looks bball fat IMO. that's probably why he doesn't look as spry now. I don't think the injury has taken away his ability, it has taken his conditioning as far as I can tell.
Id rather have Washington beat Cavs than other way around.I don't wizards fans are annoying as ****
Id rather have Washington beat Cavs than other way around.I don't wizards fans are annoying as ****
I can't stand the Wiz either but let's get another game closer to the first seed.
I think I'm the only one on this site who is actually rooting for the cavs to win the championship lol. I want the cavs to do what ever they need to to beat the Warriorsyou probably are the only one. Until the C's are eliminated, I don't want anyone else to win the championship. if the C's are eliminated, who cares who wins? season is over as far as I'm concerned.
I think I'm the only one on this site who is actually rooting for the cavs to win the championship lol. I want the cavs to do what ever they need to to beat the WarriorsIf it came to Cavs vs Warriors...id root for Cavs all the way. GSW is an abolishment, and a disgrace to American professional sports.
I usually don't care but Durant can't be rewarded for what he did.I think I'm the only one on this site who is actually rooting for the cavs to win the championship lol. I want the cavs to do what ever they need to to beat the Warriorsyou probably are the only one. Until the C's are eliminated, I don't want anyone else to win the championship. if the C's are eliminated, who cares who wins? season is over as far as I'm concerned.
This Cavs-Wizards game feels like a playoff game.
man, jj redick looks old. they need an upgrade. maybe it's me, i don't watch them much, maybe he is better than these last 2 games.
I think Blake is going to be a Celtic, he is too perfect for our team
I actually don't really care who wins between the cavs and wizards, it's a win-win either wayI prefer Cavs win, Wizards are closing in on us. Cavs will figure it out soon eanough I believe .
Oh wow! Lebron misses a point blank layup! lol
I can't wait to see the fallout from this loss. Lebron is going to lose his freaking mind lol
Oh wow! Lebron misses a point blank layup! lol
I can't wait to see the fallout from this loss. Lebron is going to lose his freaking mind lol
ANd then he banks in the tying three lol
And a heck of a luck be Lebron.Oh wow! Lebron misses a point blank layup! lol
I can't wait to see the fallout from this loss. Lebron is going to lose his freaking mind lol
ANd then he banks in the tying three lol
That was a heck of pass by Love.
Love has seemingly had an excellent game from what I've seen so far.
He'd be such a good fit at the 4 for us.
Did Wall just point to his wrist acting like it's HIS time? B, we all know that's IT's thing!Sign of respect,
Lol Kyrie too dang good!
It's too bad Love and Kyrie both play with Lebron, because they're both very likable guys and players, even if some parts of their game aren't all that likable. It is enjoyable watching that arrogant SOB Beal get schooled, though.
Sounds like lots of Cavs fans at Washington
Sounds like lots of Cavs fans at Washington
Miami is now on 11-streak win now. The longest in this season.
Love is literally the best big man for this team. He would score at least 20 PPG as the 2nd leading scorer. Him and IT would literally be draining buckets in the pick and roll/pop.
They aren't trading Love for Melo. Just now:
"Tyronn Lue on Kevin Love (with a huge smile on his face) "39 and 12? We're gonna trade him tonight...he's not going anywhere."
They aren't trading Love for Melo. Just now:
"Tyronn Lue on Kevin Love (with a huge smile on his face) "39 and 12? We're gonna trade him tonight...he's not going anywhere."
What do you want him to say that they're willing to trade Love?
They aren't trading Love for Melo. Just now:
"Tyronn Lue on Kevin Love (with a huge smile on his face) "39 and 12? We're gonna trade him tonight...he's not going anywhere."
What do you want him to say that they're willing to trade Love?
LeBron on the report he is asking Cavs to trade for Melo: "that's trash."
Fake news
They aren't trading Love for Melo. Just now:
"Tyronn Lue on Kevin Love (with a huge smile on his face) "39 and 12? We're gonna trade him tonight...he's not going anywhere."
What do you want him to say that they're willing to trade Love?
LeBron on the report he is asking Cavs to trade for Melo: "that's trash."
Fake news
Again what do you want him to say?
They aren't trading Love for Melo. Just now:
"Tyronn Lue on Kevin Love (with a huge smile on his face) "39 and 12? We're gonna trade him tonight...he's not going anywhere."
What do you want him to say that they're willing to trade Love?
LeBron on the report he is asking Cavs to trade for Melo: "that's trash."
Fake news
Again what do you want him to say?
Denying a rumour might not be evidence that the rumour is wrong. But it is also not evidence that it is right. In any case, most NBA trade rumours turn out to be wrong in the end.
@Rondo9
Agreed.
Oh wow, lots of pushing and shoving at the end of the third quarter of the Bulls/Kings game. It looked like Cousins shoved or threw a swipe at a Bulls assistant coach, which will no doubt get him tossed. Crazy. Maybe he really is too much of a liability.
EDIT: Not as bad on replay, but both Barnes and Cousins made contact with a Bulls assistant coach. He just got T'ed up for his 15th T of the season. He'll be suspended soon.
LOL NO BOOGIE AGAINST BOSTON!! He just got threw out of the game for absolutely no reason lol That's his 16th T of the season, which means he's suspended for the next game!
The latter.LOL NO BOOGIE AGAINST BOSTON!! He just got threw out of the game for absolutely no reason lol That's his 16th T of the season, which means he's suspended for the next game!
As in, the T wasn't deserved, or the game was effectively over and he was being an idiot?
The latter.LOL NO BOOGIE AGAINST BOSTON!! He just got threw out of the game for absolutely no reason lol That's his 16th T of the season, which means he's suspended for the next game!
As in, the T wasn't deserved, or the game was effectively over and he was being an idiot?
LOL NO BOOGIE AGAINST BOSTON!! He just got threw out of the game for absolutely no reason lol That's his 16th T of the season, which means he's suspended for the next game!
As in, the T wasn't deserved, or the game was effectively over and he was being an idiot?
The latter.LOL NO BOOGIE AGAINST BOSTON!! He just got threw out of the game for absolutely no reason lol That's his 16th T of the season, which means he's suspended for the next game!
As in, the T wasn't deserved, or the game was effectively over and he was being an idiot?
Oh Boogie. Thanks for making the start of the road trip a bit easier. Also, Divac says he refuses to trade him, and that night Boogie gets ejected and suspended... coincidence?
The latter.LOL NO BOOGIE AGAINST BOSTON!! He just got threw out of the game for absolutely no reason lol That's his 16th T of the season, which means he's suspended for the next game!
As in, the T wasn't deserved, or the game was effectively over and he was being an idiot?
Oh Boogie. Thanks for making the start of the road trip a bit easier. Also, Divac says he refuses to trade him, and that night Boogie gets ejected and suspended... coincidence?
I'll search for a vid later today, but what I remember is that the Bulls were leading by 2pts and SAC was inbounding the ball. Sthg like 15 secs left. DWade stole the ball and dunked. 4 pt lead for Bulls, 10 secs left. DMC then attempted a 3, missed it, Bulls ball, game over.
With the Bulls having the ball DMC made some gestures - prolly said sthg too. I believe it was for not getting a foul called on his 3pt attempt.
I'm a bit confused now
jpotter says DMC received two technicals in the Bulls game and I'm sure he is right
on the other hand, I checked just yesterday and he had 15 technicals. Now ESPN has him with 16- that's what I remember the announcers saying too.
Here's the coach shoving incident from the end of the third quarter:
https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/828838832757829632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Here's the incident at the end where Boogie was tossed. Came right as the game was ending, though the actual shot was with some more time left than I thought originally.
https://twitter.com/BenGolliver/status/828845748196241408?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
I'm a bit confused now
jpotter says DMC received two technicals in the Bulls game and I'm sure he is right
on the other hand, I checked just yesterday and he had 15 technicals. Now ESPN has him with 16- that's what I remember the announcers saying too.
He's had a couple rescinded this year already, so there might be an issue or some confusion with the league there. But Tim Bontemps along with several Kings beat writers verified that he has 16 now and will be suspended the next game against the C's.
I'm a bit confused now
jpotter says DMC received two technicals in the Bulls game and I'm sure he is right
on the other hand, I checked just yesterday and he had 15 technicals. Now ESPN has him with 16- that's what I remember the announcers saying too.
He's had a couple rescinded this year already, so there might be an issue or some confusion with the league there. But Tim Bontemps along with several Kings beat writers verified that he has 16 now and will be suspended the next game against the C's.
Yesterday he led the league with 187 (iirc) fouls. (I'm p sure he is still on top, JaMychal Green was second with 182). I had a discussion with a friend about whether this is because the refs do not respect him or because he is a big playing lots of mins and getting lots of technicals. (I supported the latter) He would still be in the top 10 even if he had zero technicals, so my friend sure had a point.
Having said this, a rescinded technical still counts as a PF and I cannot see him getting less than 150 fouls (excluding technicals) even with better officiating; he has to be everywhere in the defence and he is a big, physical player. Anyway, thx jpotter33 for reminding me of rescinded technicals.
oh geez I got that all wrong. Many thx for this.I'm a bit confused now
jpotter says DMC received two technicals in the Bulls game and I'm sure he is right
on the other hand, I checked just yesterday and he had 15 technicals. Now ESPN has him with 16- that's what I remember the announcers saying too.
He's had a couple rescinded this year already, so there might be an issue or some confusion with the league there. But Tim Bontemps along with several Kings beat writers verified that he has 16 now and will be suspended the next game against the C's.
Yesterday he led the league with 187 (iirc) fouls. (I'm p sure he is still on top, JaMychal Green was second with 182). I had a discussion with a friend about whether this is because the refs do not respect him or because he is a big playing lots of mins and getting lots of technicals. (I supported the latter) He would still be in the top 10 even if he had zero technicals, so my friend sure had a point.
Having said this, a rescinded technical still counts as a PF and I cannot see him getting less than 150 fouls (excluding technicals) even with better officiating; he has to be everywhere in the defence and he is a big, physical player. Anyway, thx jpotter33 for reminding me of rescinded technicals.
Greece, I'm 99% sure that technical fouls don't count as personal fouls in the NBA. They do in college, and maybe they do in Europe (you would know better than I), but not in the NBA. So rescinded T's wouldn't matter for Cousins' PF total.
Anyone know why Jimmy Butler didn't play today?
Was it a dnp-cd or an injury or disciplinary action...hmmmm
Looks like Turner fractured his hand tonight. We play Portland on a back to back on Thursday after Sacramento on Wednesday.
Starting to benefit from some suspensions and injuries. We were due with as many costly injuries as we had in games earlier in the year.
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You guys do the math.
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You guys do the math.
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You guys do the math.
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You guys do the math.
I'll take Rondo, Montejunas, Waiters, Howard and Barnes.
Awesome find. TP.
@jdz101
Great stuff!
Did you make this yourself?
RR, DMC, Wade, Westbrook and Waiters for me please.
I trust the Wade-RR combo will work its miracles.
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You guys do the math.
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You guys do the math.
I'm gonna build my team around LeBron for maximum potential national-TV-level drama.
First I take Lance because LeBron already hates him, and because he is useless, which would further infuriate the King. He's expensive, but he'd really set the table by shattering any communion that LeBron could feasibly muster with his lesser-talented teammates. One of LeBron's biggest problems is that he can't keep his mouth shut. Lance would give him plenty of reason to vent, and vent frequently.
Then I take Lawson, whose love of the bottle and lack of focus and professionalism would bring down team morale, possibly driving other players into alcoholism. Just great value for $2.
Next Javale McGee, whose raw complacency would single-handedly drag the team down into the lottery. Another great value.
As a finishing touch, James Johnson, career d-leaguer and wife-beater. He'd basically be the "angry guy," and his temper and lack of talent would further destabilize the team. No way does he tolerate McGee and Lawson's laziness - and no way does LeBron tolerate Johnson's poor play.
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You guys do the math.
PG-Russell -3$
SG-Stephenson - 5$
SF- Melo - 2$
PF- Griffin -2$
C-Howard - 3$
This roster is so combustible. Russell will blow up Griffin's DMs, and he throws a haymaker taking um both out. Stephenson starts blowing on howard's ear in practice and he runs away to tell melo, who has already checked out and wants to waive his NTC to join the clippers against Griffins best advice.
@jdz101
Great stuff!
Did you make this yourself?
RR, DMC, Wade, Westbrook and Waiters for me please.
I trust the Wade-RR combo will work its miracles.
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You guys do the math.
Russell - Stephenson - Melo - Draymond - McGee.
I got Stephenson and Dray brawling in the middle of the locker room after Lance pokes him in the gooch. The media crowds around Melo's locker, looking for a quote that they can take as an admission of guilt that the bad locker room is all his fault. Meanwhile, JaVale planks in the corner and Russell tapes the whole interaction and uploads it to Snapchat.
Cavs getting roasted early by Pacers 33-20. If the Cavs don't turn this around we would have a chance to be 1.5 games back of Cavs. They also need to give Lebron some rest at some point.
Bucks only scored 2 pts in 6 minutes of action. Miami is tearing them a new ****.
Cavs getting roasted early by Pacers 33-20. If the Cavs don't turn this around we would have a chance to be 1.5 games back of Cavs. They also need to give Lebron some rest at some point.
Could be a big opportunity for us. If Pacers could hold on tonight and force Lebron to play significant minutes, it sounds like Lue might very well rest him tomorrow night in OKC. If they'd lose to both Indy and OKC without James, which is very possible, and we beat Sacramento tonight and Portland tomorrow, which we should, then we'll only be a half game back from Cleveland.
I added them to my alerts the day after their last loss because I was growing worried and since then theyve won 11 in a row and look primed to win 12.Bucks only scored 2 pts in 6 minutes of action. Miami is tearing them a new ****.
Remember when people were panicked that the Heat would tank and mess up #NetsPick? Now I'm waiting for the panic pendulum to swing the other way.
Cavs getting roasted early by Pacers 33-20. If the Cavs don't turn this around we would have a chance to be 1.5 games back of Cavs. They also need to give Lebron some rest at some point.
Could be a big opportunity for us. If Pacers could hold on tonight and force Lebron to play significant minutes, it sounds like Lue might very well rest him tomorrow night in OKC. If they'd lose to both Indy and OKC without James, which is very possible, and we beat Sacramento tonight and Portland tomorrow, which we should, then we'll only be a half game back from Cleveland.
And the Cavs scored 17 points in 3 minutes to open the half. People need to wait to report on the Cavs demise.
Cavs getting roasted early by Pacers 33-20. If the Cavs don't turn this around we would have a chance to be 1.5 games back of Cavs. They also need to give Lebron some rest at some point.
Could be a big opportunity for us. If Pacers could hold on tonight and force Lebron to play significant minutes, it sounds like Lue might very well rest him tomorrow night in OKC. If they'd lose to both Indy and OKC without James, which is very possible, and we beat Sacramento tonight and Portland tomorrow, which we should, then we'll only be a half game back from Cleveland.
And the Cavs scored 17 points in 3 minutes to open the half. People need to wait to report on the Cavs demise.
40-18 3rd quarter for the Cavs, who are now up by 16. Ooof.
Charles Oakley arrested at MSG after an altercation with James Dolan. The Knicks are a train wreck.
Cavs getting roasted early by Pacers 33-20. If the Cavs don't turn this around we would have a chance to be 1.5 games back of Cavs. They also need to give Lebron some rest at some point.
Could be a big opportunity for us. If Pacers could hold on tonight and force Lebron to play significant minutes, it sounds like Lue might very well rest him tomorrow night in OKC. If they'd lose to both Indy and OKC without James, which is very possible, and we beat Sacramento tonight and Portland tomorrow, which we should, then we'll only be a half game back from Cleveland.
And the Cavs scored 17 points in 3 minutes to open the half. People need to wait to report on the Cavs demise.
40-18 3rd quarter for the Cavs, who are now up by 16. Ooof.
I take the trash out - they're tied.
I come back - they're up 16. Good job; good effort, Pacers.
I dont see how the guy got arrested for that.Charles Oakley arrested at MSG after an altercation with James Dolan. The Knicks are a train wreck.
Here's video of the altercation: http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/244847/Charles-Oakley-Ejected-From-Madison-Square-Garden-Video.
Unclear of the nature of the dispute.
EDIT: Sounds like he was heckling James Dolan.
https://twitter.com/NYPost_Berman/status/829509341011140608
Cavs getting roasted early by Pacers 33-20. If the Cavs don't turn this around we would have a chance to be 1.5 games back of Cavs. They also need to give Lebron some rest at some point.
Could be a big opportunity for us. If Pacers could hold on tonight and force Lebron to play significant minutes, it sounds like Lue might very well rest him tomorrow night in OKC. If they'd lose to both Indy and OKC without James, which is very possible, and we beat Sacramento tonight and Portland tomorrow, which we should, then we'll only be a half game back from Cleveland.
And the Cavs scored 17 points in 3 minutes to open the half. People need to wait to report on the Cavs demise.
40-18 3rd quarter for the Cavs, who are now up by 16. Ooof.
I take the trash out - they're tied.
I come back - they're up 16. Good job; good effort, Pacers.
Jabari Parker just got injured again. The day the Bucks got Middleton back :(
Lol the Raptors choke again and let the Timberpuppies come back and beat them! They're not 4 games back behind us in the loss column.
Lol the Raptors choke again and let the Timberpuppies come back and beat them! They're not 4 games back behind us in the loss column.
The Eastern Conference playoff race is going to be interesting. Is anybody that scared of meeting the Wizards in the playoffs? No matter the records at the end of the year, it's the Cavs and Raptors that would be the toughest opponents, right? But the East might finish:
1) Cleveland, 2) Boston, 3) Washington, 4) Toronto. Where CLE/TOR would had to face off in the 2nd round.
Or
1) Boston, 2) Cleveland, 3) Toronto, 4) Washington. Where again, it's CLE/TOR in the 2nd round.
Those are probably the 2 potential seedings we should be hoping for, and they're both possible.
Cavs getting roasted early by Pacers 33-20. If the Cavs don't turn this around we would have a chance to be 1.5 games back of Cavs. They also need to give Lebron some rest at some point.
Could be a big opportunity for us. If Pacers could hold on tonight and force Lebron to play significant minutes, it sounds like Lue might very well rest him tomorrow night in OKC. If they'd lose to both Indy and OKC without James, which is very possible, and we beat Sacramento tonight and Portland tomorrow, which we should, then we'll only be a half game back from Cleveland.
And the Cavs scored 17 points in 3 minutes to open the half. People need to wait to report on the Cavs demise.
Miami is on one hell of a hot streak right now. 12 consecutive wins, ties GSW for the longest streak this season. Yet, despite their play lately, they are still well below .500 overall. I'm not sure any team has ever won this many consecutive games with a sub .500 win percentage.
Cavs getting roasted early by Pacers 33-20. If the Cavs don't turn this around we would have a chance to be 1.5 games back of Cavs. They also need to give Lebron some rest at some point.
Could be a big opportunity for us. If Pacers could hold on tonight and force Lebron to play significant minutes, it sounds like Lue might very well rest him tomorrow night in OKC. If they'd lose to both Indy and OKC without James, which is very possible, and we beat Sacramento tonight and Portland tomorrow, which we should, then we'll only be a half game back from Cleveland.
And the Cavs scored 17 points in 3 minutes to open the half. People need to wait to report on the Cavs demise.
I wouldn't say pointing out they are losing and saying "if they don't turn it around" we could have a chance to pick up a game reporting the "cavs demise." Seems a bit dramatic
Cavs getting roasted early by Pacers 33-20. If the Cavs don't turn this around we would have a chance to be 1.5 games back of Cavs. They also need to give Lebron some rest at some point.
Could be a big opportunity for us. If Pacers could hold on tonight and force Lebron to play significant minutes, it sounds like Lue might very well rest him tomorrow night in OKC. If they'd lose to both Indy and OKC without James, which is very possible, and we beat Sacramento tonight and Portland tomorrow, which we should, then we'll only be a half game back from Cleveland.
And the Cavs scored 17 points in 3 minutes to open the half. People need to wait to report on the Cavs demise.
I wouldn't say pointing out they are losing and saying "if they don't turn it around" we could have a chance to pick up a game reporting the "cavs demise." Seems a bit dramatic
I was jokingly being superstitious and declaring that we jinxed it, while trying to reverse-jinx it. But I couldn't say that or otherwise I'd mess up the reverse-jinx attempt -- ahh, failed susperstitions.
Wow!yeah too bad he didnt shoot more, he really screwed himself today. If only he got to 10 points.
Draymond Green with 12 rebounds, 10 assists, 10 steals, and 5 blocks. Trip-Dub without double digit points. Insane.
Man, what I would give to be at this OKC game right now. The energy is unreal.
Man, what I would give to be at this OKC game right now. The energy is unreal.
Man, what I would give to be at this OKC game right now. The energy is unreal.
Except the team is getting destroyed. I gave up watching the first half. Careless turnovers, followed by terrible shooting % won't beat GSW.
Philly threatening to end Miami's historic win streak right now (because of course they are). Down 6 with 90 seconds to go.
Held out because of trades for him are gaining momentumPhilly threatening to end Miami's historic win streak right now (because of course they are). Down 6 with 90 seconds to go.
FWIW, 538 had us favored... Not sure why. Miami was prolly on a B2B, and Okafor didn't play. TBH very surprising, but not as crazy as you'd think.
Toronto just blew a huge lead. Lost to pistons
http://www.nba.com/article/2017/02/12/report-nuggets-trade-jusuf-nurkic-trail-llazers-mason-plumlee
Plumlee gets traded for Nurkic and a pick.
T-wolves fans upset with Dunn. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5tpgrm/kris_dunn_is_flat_out_terrible/)
T-wolves fans upset with Dunn. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5tpgrm/kris_dunn_is_flat_out_terrible/)
Sounds like reviews people round here giving Marcus not so long ago..
yeah.T-wolves fans upset with Dunn. (https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/5tpgrm/kris_dunn_is_flat_out_terrible/)
Sounds like reviews people round here giving Marcus not so long ago..
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine 38m38 minutes ago
The Joker in 2017: 23.1 PPG, 10.4 RPG & 5.2 APG. And the five highest scoring games of Nikola Jokic's career have come in his last 13 games
Nuggets fall one three short of tying the NBA record for made threes in a game.
Jokic has a CRAZY boxline.
No Wilson Chandler, no Faried - is something up?
Well I thought it would be D'antoni's Houston team, but instead its Utah that are the fakest team in playoff contention in the west.
They're just not that good.
Well I thought it would be D'antoni's Houston team, but instead its Utah that are the fakest team in playoff contention in the west.
They're just not that good.
They've had a bad stretch, it happens. That's still a good team.
Warriors got roasted tonight, I think that Denver team is going to run away with the 8th seed now.
Well I thought it would be D'antoni's Houston team, but instead its Utah that are the fakest team in playoff contention in the west.
They're just not that good.
They've had a bad stretch, it happens. That's still a good team.
Warriors got roasted tonight, I think that Denver team is going to run away with the 8th seed now.
And then play the warriors in the playoffs to get roasted in 4.
I think it's about time to start naming the Nuggets when we talk about teams with promising young cores. Jokic, Murray, Hernangomez, Harris, Barton. Even with his struggles, I think Mudiay warrants a mention, too.
They have a nice little foundation there.
East cost standings 1-4 is wide open!
This is FUN!
Wow Raptors losing 56-37 to the Bulls.Warms my heart
Have to admit, Cleveland's little slump was surprising, but not as surprising as what's happened to Toronto the last 3 weeks...
Wow Raptors losing 56-37 to the Bulls.Not that it takes away from your overall point but for some reason Chicago does really well vs. Toronto (according to my Bulls fan friends)
Have to admit, Cleveland's little slump was surprising, but not as surprising as what's happened to Toronto the last 3 weeks...
I think it's about time to start naming the Nuggets when we talk about teams with promising young cores. Jokic, Murray, Hernangomez, Harris, Barton. Even with his struggles, I think Mudiay warrants a mention, too.
They have a nice little foundation there.
Cavs is ahead the Wolves, but the game is close.
Raptors catching up. Now only down 8 (88-80 with 6 minutes to go).
Cavaliers up 105-102 on TWolves. They noticeably don't look dominant these days..
The competition for the 8th seed in the West is IMO the highlight of the remaining of the season.
Notice that both trades so far include teams competing for that 8th spot.
Which team do you think will make it?
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Watching Anthony Davis chase Trevor Arzia around the perimeter ...
One of the top shot blockers and interior help defenders in the league. Wasting his skills out on the perimeter defending the 3 point line. What a waste.
Boogie and the Brow combined for 67 of their team's 99 points tonight.
But got blown out by the Rockets.
Incredible though, seeing how dominant that starting front court is. If they upgrade their backcourt, that team is gonna be monstrous for years to come.
Boogie and the Brow combined for 67 of their team's 99 points tonight.
But got blown out by the Rockets.
Incredible though, seeing how dominant that starting front court is. If they upgrade their backcourt, that team is gonna be monstrous for years to come.
They have no flexibility to sign another near max player. Best they can do is bet on mid-tier talents and draft well.
I know it's just one game but the Kings suddenly looked like a team. WCS dropping 29 for the win.
The competition for the 8th seed in the West is IMO the highlight of the remaining of the season.
Notice that both trades so far include teams competing for that 8th spot.
Which team do you think will make it?
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I cannot wait for the impending Sacramento implosion. I think there is a chance for them to drop a -10 net rating in their remaining games. They're going to be a mess. Especially with them dealing the rest of their vets.
Boogie and the Brow combined for 67 of their team's 99 points tonight.
But got blown out by the Rockets.
Incredible though, seeing how dominant that starting front court is. If they upgrade their backcourt, that team is gonna be monstrous for years to come.
They have no flexibility to sign another near max player. Best they can do is bet on mid-tier talents and draft well.
I know it's just one game but the Kings suddenly looked like a team. WCS dropping 29 for the win.
It's definitely just one game. But it will be interesting to see if the Kings pull a post-Rondo 2014-2015 Celtics.
The competition for the 8th seed in the West is IMO the highlight of the remaining of the season.
Notice that both trades so far include teams competing for that 8th spot.
Which team do you think will make it?
(https://i.gyazo.com/536e8288067fc8f83582a9153fc090f6.png)
I cannot wait for the impending Sacramento implosion. I think there is a chance for them to drop a -10 net rating in their remaining games. They're going to be a mess. Especially with them dealing the rest of their vets.
My gut feeling is that Nuggets will make it. This is part prediction, part wish. It will be hillarious to see NOP fail after that trade.
Good thing we didn't get Melo.
10 points and 5 rebounds on 4-12 shooting and no defense... :o
Same old Melo...
Good thing we didn't get Melo.
10 points and 5 rebounds on 4-12 shooting and no defense... :o
Same old Melo...
My grandmother has more defense in her and maybe more energy. He looks so out of shape , breathing hard all the time. Chucking threes , moving slower than Pierce these days .
@saltlover
Any ideas on why DAL waived instead of trading DWilliams?
Boogie and the Brow combined for 67 of their team's 99 points tonight.
But got blown out by the Rockets.
Incredible though, seeing how dominant that starting front court is. If they upgrade their backcourt, that team is gonna be monstrous for years to come.
They have no flexibility to sign another near max player. Best they can do is bet on mid-tier talents and draft well.
I know it's just one game but the Kings suddenly looked like a team. WCS dropping 29 for the win.
It's definitely just one game. But it will be interesting to see if the Kings pull a post-Rondo 2014-2015 Celtics.
They'd need to start by firing Alan Gentry
@saltlover
Any ideas on why DAL waived instead of trading DWilliams?
They couldn't find anyone who wanted to trade for him, knowing that he was getting waived anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw-TJYQsQpk
Highlights of WCS's big game the other day.
A lot of dunks and layups but also two midrange jump-shots and a couple of drives. Showing nice handles and great quickness in attacking Denver's bigs. A couple of short shot finishes too. Very impressive to see WCS scoring in ways other than dunks & layups. If he can continue to do that, he will be a top 10 center for sure.
I wish Ainge would have traded for WCS while his value was low.
@tazzmaniacTacking that qualifying statement on a single game performance is meaningless. It doesn't even mean much for a limited amount of games. Remember the hype around Jeremy Lin a few years ago when he had a stretch of games where he performed very well. His stardom burned out pretty quick.
I agree with your first paragraph and it a good word of caution.
Having said this, Who was sharing his views of that one game. There was some hyperbole in the language but he also said:
>if he can continue to do that
In any case, I'm enjoying following SAC now, they are experimenting a lot and this is fun.
Cavs a playoff team with NO LeBron and Lue as coach. Very questionable. Maybe with POPs ....they look terrible anytime James has not built them a lead or is not at or in the the game.
One Injury to LeBron ...they are dead meat for most good teams.
And Paul George got EJECTED from tonight's game vs. Miami.
Pacers getting blown out by Heat now.
I love watching Noel play. He is so much fun to watch on defense. Gets his hands on so many balls. Strips players. Gets deflections. Makes his opponent rush and move in uncomfortable ways. Blocks shots from the weakside. Meets guys at the rim. And he is so insanely quick on help & recover situations on team defense.
Fun game between Dallas (Noel, Dirk) and New Orleans (Cousins, A.Davis). Big man matchups.
Edit: Noel's energy and effort on defense is infectious. He is like Smart or a young Tyson Chandler. He raises the level of teammates intensity and effort on defense. Makes them (Dallas, previously Philly) a much more active team.
The character (on the court). The competitiveness. The leadership. The guy is a born winner.
Jimmy Butler and the Bulls lit up the Cavs in Cleveland.
Looks like the Bulls got the Cavs' numbers.
Cousins with a technical foul and two personal fouls in the first 2 minutes against OKC. AD tried to talk to him before he picked up the 2nd foul and it still didn't work.
Cousins with a technical foul and two personal fouls in the first 2 minutes against OKC. AD tried to talk to him before he picked up the 2nd foul and it still didn't work.
NO is going to really have to think long and hard about signing him to a long term max deal.
Cousins with a technical foul and two personal fouls in the first 2 minutes against OKC. AD tried to talk to him before he picked up the 2nd foul and it still didn't work.
NO is going to really have to think long and hard about signing him to a long term max deal.
His talent is undeniable but it's moments like that where you can see what made Danny & Co. pass on him.
Warriors clinched playoff birth yesterday. NBA record on calendar by 2 days over last year's team, though both were at game 58.
I love watching Noel play. He is so much fun to watch on defense. Gets his hands on so many balls. Strips players. Gets deflections. Makes his opponent rush and move in uncomfortable ways. Blocks shots from the weakside. Meets guys at the rim. And he is so insanely quick on help & recover situations on team defense.
Fun game between Dallas (Noel, Dirk) and New Orleans (Cousins, A.Davis). Big man matchups.
Edit: Noel's energy and effort on defense is infectious. He is like Smart or a young Tyson Chandler. He raises the level of teammates intensity and effort on defense. Makes them (Dallas, previously Philly) a much more active team.
The character (on the court). The competitiveness. The leadership. The guy is a born winner.
Yep, would've really loved to have him in green.
Warriors clinched playoff birth yesterday. NBA record on calendar by 2 days over last year's team, though both were at game 58.
IIRC, the 8th seed in the West wasn't as putrid as it is this year. Huge drop off after OKC at 7 in the West.
Interesting to see the Cavs again opted not to rest Lebron despite the earlier proclamations of his strep throat. You wonder if never giving him time off will come back to bite them. He is 32 now.
Interesting to see the Cavs again opted not to rest Lebron despite the earlier proclamations of his strep throat. You wonder if never giving him time off will come back to bite them. He is 32 now.
Well, I'm glad he's back, I want him to play wednesday when we face them. I want to gauge how well we match up at this point in the season.
Cavs have added Deron, Korver, and Bogut since the season began.
@pho
yep, Cavs now have lots of quality role players. If the finals are GSW-CLE again it will be lots of fun.
@alley oop
Are you sure that was intentional? From that angle, personally, I cannot say.
Cavs have added Deron, Korver, and Bogut since the season began.
Back-to-back 40-point triple-doubles for Westbrook. That's ludicrous.It really seems that having Kanter back on the team helps him a ton getting the triple doubles and all.
No official word on the severity of Kevin Durant's injury, but the #Warriors already making plans to supplement the roster in the short term
ESPN sources tell @ChrisBHaynes and me that Golden State plans to sign veteran swingman Matt Barnes in the wake of the Kevin Durant injury.
Important to note that an official diagnosis on Kevin Durant is not yet known, but the Warriors clearly feel the need to add a swingman.
Very somber scene in the Warriors' locker room. Some players were texting Durant words of support.
Woah, Golden State adding Barnes now instead of Calderon in the wake of Durant's injury. The full extent of the injury is not yet known, but it looks like they're expecting him to miss at least some time.Interesting note is that the Warriors still plan to sign Calderon as promised, but waive him afterwards.
https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/836824128225165312/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteNo official word on the severity of Kevin Durant's injury, but the #Warriors already making plans to supplement the roster in the short term
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/836821601941323776?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteESPN sources tell @ChrisBHaynes and me that Golden State plans to sign veteran swingman Matt Barnes in the wake of the Kevin Durant injury.
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/836822249839669248?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteImportant to note that an official diagnosis on Kevin Durant is not yet known, but the Warriors clearly feel the need to add a swingman.
https://twitter.com/Con_Chron/status/836774885078806528?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteVery somber scene in the Warriors' locker room. Some players were texting Durant words of support.
seems like a classy moveWoah, Golden State adding Barnes now instead of Calderon in the wake of Durant's injury. The full extent of the injury is not yet known, but it looks like they're expecting him to miss at least some time.Interesting note is that the Warriors still plan to sign Calderon as promised, but waive him afterwards.
https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/836824128225165312/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteNo official word on the severity of Kevin Durant's injury, but the #Warriors already making plans to supplement the roster in the short term
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/836821601941323776?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteESPN sources tell @ChrisBHaynes and me that Golden State plans to sign veteran swingman Matt Barnes in the wake of the Kevin Durant injury.
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/836822249839669248?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteImportant to note that an official diagnosis on Kevin Durant is not yet known, but the Warriors clearly feel the need to add a swingman.
https://twitter.com/Con_Chron/status/836774885078806528?ref_src=twsrc%5EtfwQuoteVery somber scene in the Warriors' locker room. Some players were texting Durant words of support.
https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/836821648380657665
Sounds serious.
If KD is out for the playoffs (not likely) then the lack of moves at the deadline for Boston become much much much more controversial.
If KD just tore an ACL(Ive got no reason to believe he did havent even seen the injury) then we just passed up a really really good chance to win a ring
Sounds serious.
If KD is out for the playoffs (not likely) then the lack of moves at the deadline for Boston become much much much more controversial.
If KD just tore an ACL(Ive got no reason to believe he did havent even seen the injury) then we just passed up a really really good chance to win a ring
Though I doubt the severity of the injury is that bad, this is very, very true.
That being said, I'm still glad he didn't overpay for a Butler or George, who wouldn't have guaranteed a championship by themselves anyways. However, it would make the failure to upgrade this team even slightly via an Ibaka/Noel/Tucker/Jennings/etc. type of player (all of whom could've been attained using our lesser assets while keeping our flexibility - outside of Noel, who still would've left us pretty flexible) that much more egregious.
And you never want to wish injury on a player, but oh this would be so sweet to see if it cost the Warriors a championship. That's what they get for stacking the deck for themselves so hard and becoming the villains of the NBA. And it'd be just as awesome to rub it in the faces of all those people here and all over the sports world who said once again that there was no use competing this year since Golden State already had the championship in the bag, even though the exact same stuff was said last year, too. ;D
Tough news for Durant, Warriors, and fans in general. It is sad when such a good dude and player gets seriously injured, regardless if he didn't want to sign with us.
Great game in San Antonio. Kawhi just put the Spurs up 1 with 2 seconds left with a beautiful turnaround over George.
EDIT: Spurs win. George missed a wide open above the break three at the buzzer.
Warriors looking like a much less formidable team without Durant. Chicago up 1 on them with 6 to go in the fourth.
The Warriors are in serious trouble of losing the number one seed. They're now only three games up on SAS. However, they've played two more games than GS, and they still have two more games IN San Antonio.
So if San Antonio can win those two extra games that the Warriors have played over them AND beat the Warriors twice in San Antonio, then they will have a tied record with San Antonio having the tiebreaker. Losing homecourt in the WCF could potentially be huge for the Warriors.
Guys, for whatever reason the Bulls are always significantly better in Thursday night TNT games. It's a thing.18 straight Thursday TNT home game wins. Including multiple wins vs the Cavs, and wins vs the Raptors, Celtics, and Warriors.
yeah.The Warriors are in serious trouble of losing the number one seed. They're now only three games up on SAS. However, they've played two more games than GS, and they still have two more games IN San Antonio.
So if San Antonio can win those two extra games that the Warriors have played over them AND beat the Warriors twice in San Antonio, then they will have a tied record with San Antonio having the tiebreaker. Losing homecourt in the WCF could potentially be huge for the Warriors.
If Durant is back and healthy, which is a big if, does it even matter?
The Warriors are in serious trouble of losing the number one seed. They're now only three games up on SAS. However, they've played two more games than GS, and they still have two more games IN San Antonio.
So if San Antonio can win those two extra games that the Warriors have played over them AND beat the Warriors twice in San Antonio, then they will have a tied record with San Antonio having the tiebreaker. Losing homecourt in the WCF could potentially be huge for the Warriors.
If Durant is back and healthy, which is a big if, does it even matter?
The Warriors are in serious trouble of losing the number one seed. They're now only three games up on SAS. However, they've played two more games than GS, and they still have two more games IN San Antonio.
So if San Antonio can win those two extra games that the Warriors have played over them AND beat the Warriors twice in San Antonio, then they will have a tied record with San Antonio having the tiebreaker. Losing homecourt in the WCF could potentially be huge for the Warriors.
If Durant is back and healthy, which is a big if, does it even matter?
Oh, for sure. The 2 seed is a nightmare scenario for the Warriors and presents a much, much more difficult path than the 1 seed.
First off, there's no guarantee that he's even back at all. He's being reevaluated in four weeks, but he's out indefinitely with no timetable for his return. Who knows when he'll actually be back.
But most expect him to be back, but it'll be sometime during the actual playoffs, whether that be the first or second round. But if they fall to the 2nd seed, then things get a whole lot more complicated for them.
While they would still handle Denver easily at the 8th seed, there's a pretty tight race in the 4-7 seed right now with 4 teams (Utah, LAC, Memphis, and OKC) separated by only 1.5 games. While I still think they'd beat Utah and OKC, though in tough first round matchups, they could very well lose to Memphis, who is an absolute nightmare matchup for them and has already beaten them twice this year, and the Clippers, who also present matchup problems for them with Durant out.
I'd go as far as saying this - without KD in the first round, they probably beat Utah in 6 games and OKC in a very tough 6 or 7 game battle. As for the Clippers, that's a 50/50 series for me if the Clippers are actually healthy. I could see it going either way. But I think Memphis pulls the upset if they draw a KD-less Warriors team in the first round. They're just too big and physical for the Warriors, and they're pretty much set up perfectly to defeat them.
And that's just the first round. Dropping to second would mean a second round matchup with Houston, which would be very entertaining and close. And even if they do advance to the WCF, with or without Durant, who still will take awhile to get back into playing shape and rhythm, they could very well lose to a very good Spurs team that has home court advantage.
So here's the comparison:
1 seed gets you - Denver in the first round (easy win), a 2nd round matchup most likely with a Clippers team, who you've handled easily WITH Durant this year, and home court advantage in the WCF.
2 seed gets you - OKC/Memphis/Utah/LAC (ranging from tough out to extremely dangerous first round matchup), a 2nd round matchup with a Rockets team that has beat you at home this year, and no home court advantage in the WCF.
People are sleeping on how devastating dropping to the 2 seed would be for Golden State, especially with much uncertainty about when KD will actually come back.
they secured a playoff seed. the spurs are actually only 2 games behind GSW in the loss columnThe Warriors are in serious trouble of losing the number one seed. They're now only three games up on SAS. However, they've played two more games than GS, and they still have two more games IN San Antonio.
So if San Antonio can win those two extra games that the Warriors have played over them AND beat the Warriors twice in San Antonio, then they will have a tied record with San Antonio having the tiebreaker. Losing homecourt in the WCF could potentially be huge for the Warriors.
If Durant is back and healthy, which is a big if, does it even matter?
Oh, for sure. The 2 seed is a nightmare scenario for the Warriors and presents a much, much more difficult path than the 1 seed.
First off, there's no guarantee that he's even back at all. He's being reevaluated in four weeks, but he's out indefinitely with no timetable for his return. Who knows when he'll actually be back.
But most expect him to be back, but it'll be sometime during the actual playoffs, whether that be the first or second round. But if they fall to the 2nd seed, then things get a whole lot more complicated for them.
While they would still handle Denver easily at the 8th seed, there's a pretty tight race in the 4-7 seed right now with 4 teams (Utah, LAC, Memphis, and OKC) separated by only 1.5 games. While I still think they'd beat Utah and OKC, though in tough first round matchups, they could very well lose to Memphis, who is an absolute nightmare matchup for them and has already beaten them twice this year, and the Clippers, who also present matchup problems for them with Durant out.
I'd go as far as saying this - without KD in the first round, they probably beat Utah in 6 games and OKC in a very tough 6 or 7 game battle. As for the Clippers, that's a 50/50 series for me if the Clippers are actually healthy. I could see it going either way. But I think Memphis pulls the upset if they draw a KD-less Warriors team in the first round. They're just too big and physical for the Warriors, and they're pretty much set up perfectly to defeat them.
And that's just the first round. Dropping to second would mean a second round matchup with Houston, which would be very entertaining and close. And even if they do advance to the WCF, with or without Durant, who still will take awhile to get back into playing shape and rhythm, they could very well lose to a very good Spurs team that has home court advantage.
So here's the comparison:
1 seed gets you - Denver in the first round (easy win), a 2nd round matchup most likely with a Clippers team, who you've handled easily WITH Durant this year, and home court advantage in the WCF.
2 seed gets you - OKC/Memphis/Utah/LAC (ranging from tough out to extremely dangerous first round matchup), a 2nd round matchup with a Rockets team that has beat you at home this year, and no home court advantage in the WCF.
People are sleeping on how devastating dropping to the 2 seed would be for Golden State, especially with much uncertainty about when KD will actually come back.
I thought the Warriors already secured the 1st seed
The Warriors are in serious trouble of losing the number one seed. They're now only three games up on SAS. However, they've played two more games than GS, and they still have two more games IN San Antonio.
So if San Antonio can win those two extra games that the Warriors have played over them AND beat the Warriors twice in San Antonio, then they will have a tied record with San Antonio having the tiebreaker. Losing homecourt in the WCF could potentially be huge for the Warriors.
Dirk Nowitzki to return for 20th season barring 'drastic change' (http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18815347/dirk-nowitzki-dallas-mavericks-planning-return-20th-season)
Hope he does.
I just looked at the last 3 games of Westbrook. Now as great as he is in his last 3 games he has taken 36 shots, 28 shots and 29 shots. Now I know people might say he has no players around him but really? IT last 3 games 20 shots, 21 shots and 23 shots. There are many that feel IT is a ball hog (not me) but just compare it to Westbrook's and get a feel of what it would be like to play with him.also if you look at true shooting %, IT is 2nd among point guards behind Lowry; Westbrook is 23rd among point guards. a good analogy between the two players is that Isaiah is a sniper rifle, and Westbrook is a cannon ball.
I just looked at the last 3 games of Westbrook. Now as great as he is in his last 3 games he has taken 36 shots, 28 shots and 29 shots. Now I know people might say he has no players around him but really? IT last 3 games 20 shots, 21 shots and 23 shots. There are many that feel IT is a ball hog (not me) but just compare it to Westbrook's and get a feel of what it would be like to play with him.also if you look at true shooting %, IT is 2nd among point guards behind Lowry; Westbrook is 23rd among point guards. a good analogy between the two players is that Isaiah is a sniper rifle, and Westbrook is a cannon ball.
I just looked at the last 3 games of Westbrook. Now as great as he is in his last 3 games he has taken 36 shots, 28 shots and 29 shots. Now I know people might say he has no players around him but really? IT last 3 games 20 shots, 21 shots and 23 shots. There are many that feel IT is a ball hog (not me) but just compare it to Westbrook's and get a feel of what it would be like to play with him.also if you look at true shooting %, IT is 2nd among point guards behind Lowry; Westbrook is 23rd among point guards. a good analogy between the two players is that Isaiah is a sniper rifle, and Westbrook is a cannon ball.
I'm so torn on who to root for in this Washington/Toronto game. There's significant benefits and downfalls to each side winning.
P.S. - am I getting a bad feed, or is there a 30 for 30 on the halftime show of the Cavs/Hawks game?
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
CP3 verbally committed to re-signing with the Clippers. I wonder if he already talked to Blake about staying long term. Why would he commit if Blake is unsure of staying?
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
CP3 verbally committed to re-signing with the Clippers. I wonder if he already talked to Blake about staying long term. Why would he commit if Blake is unsure of staying?
even with Dwill, Lebron played 39 minutes tonight.
even with Dwill, Lebron played 39 minutes tonight.
Good. I hope Lue keeps playing LeBron & Kyrie maximum minutes because he is not a good coach and is more concerned about the 1 seed than actually resting guys to be playoffs ready. Lue is just a bad coach in a great situation.
You know, I've never been the biggest Nerlens Noel fan, but he sure looks like a legit good player now that he is free from the mess that is the Sixers.I admit I wanted Noel at the deadline. However, I get the feeling he will never be much better than he is now, and I'm not sure Zizic won't eventually surpass him.
Ainge totally blew it there. Could have had him for peanuts.
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
CP3 verbally committed to re-signing with the Clippers. I wonder if he already talked to Blake about staying long term. Why would he commit if Blake is unsure of staying?
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
CP3 verbally committed to re-signing with the Clippers. I wonder if he already talked to Blake about staying long term. Why would he commit if Blake is unsure of staying?
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
CP3 verbally committed to re-signing with the Clippers. I wonder if he already talked to Blake about staying long term. Why would he commit if Blake is unsure of staying?
State Farm commercials - definitely.
Blake may or may not stay, but if he sticks around he can't possibly think that the Clips have any chance of winning a championship.
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
CP3 verbally committed to re-signing with the Clippers. I wonder if he already talked to Blake about staying long term. Why would he commit if Blake is unsure of staying?
State Farm commercials - definitely.
Blake may or may not stay, but if he sticks around he can't possibly think that the Clips have any chance of winning a championship.
They haven't made it past the 2nd round and with that joke of a coach they won't even be in the West Finals lol.
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
CP3 verbally committed to re-signing with the Clippers. I wonder if he already talked to Blake about staying long term. Why would he commit if Blake is unsure of staying?
State Farm commercials - definitely.
Blake may or may not stay, but if he sticks around he can't possibly think that the Clips have any chance of winning a championship.
They haven't made it past the 2nd round and with that joke of a coach they won't even be in the West Finals lol.
To my eye s non of the big three on Clippers seem to have the energy or drive they had. I think all three have peaked and started the backslide .
The Bulls got killed for dumping Taj Gibson and Doug McDermott for Payne and Lauverge.
But check out how Bobby Portis is playing since the trade deadline. Looks like a pretty good offensive player.
Also, I noticed Jerian Grant is looking like an actual NBA player with a credible jumpshot.
Clippers down 19 to Bucks in Milwaukee.
Blake has to see the writing on the wall this summer. This team just isn't championship caliber.
They could be as low as 6th tonight in the West if they lose and Memphis beats Dallas, which would put them up against the Rockets in the first round. That's not something that they want, but a first round loss would make Griffin leaving LA a lot more likely.
CP3 verbally committed to re-signing with the Clippers. I wonder if he already talked to Blake about staying long term. Why would he commit if Blake is unsure of staying?
State Farm commercials - definitely.
Blake may or may not stay, but if he sticks around he can't possibly think that the Clips have any chance of winning a championship.
They haven't made it past the 2nd round and with that joke of a coach they won't even be in the West Finals lol.
To my eye s non of the big three on Clippers seem to have the energy or drive they had. I think all three have peaked and started the backslide .
I feel like Griffin on this team though with Brad Stevens would be ideal for him.
CBS can get the best out of him and Griffin is still only 27.
His injury obviously took away some of the "spice" in his game (like the dunking and long hops), but he's still a star IMO.
The Clippers just seem so dull though... even the guys around him.
Cavs really suck without LeBron .
He is resting , while the Celtics close the gap
Cavs really suck without LeBron .
He is resting , while the Celtics close the gap
Kyrie is so overrated.
It's unbelievable.
Cavs really suck without LeBron .
He is resting , while the Celtics close the gap
Kyrie is so overrated.
It's unbelievable.
Cavs really suck without LeBron .
He is resting , while the Celtics close the gap
Kyrie is so overrated.
It's unbelievable.
Take Lebron out and it's back to 20-win seasons for "superstar Kyrie" and the Cavs.
He's a great player but certainly not a Top-10 superstar...
Cavs really suck without LeBron .
He is resting , while the Celtics close the gap
Kyrie is so overrated.
It's unbelievable.
Take Lebron out and it's back to 20-win seasons for "superstar Kyrie" and the Cavs.
He's a great player but certainly not a Top-10 superstar...
Kyrie isn't playing either, is he?
Boguts ankle went out 2 min into his Cav debut
It would be intresting if Cavs meet the Heat in the first round .
It would be intresting if Cavs meet the Heat in the first round .East is looking strong dont want no part of the Heat either
Dubs starting to realise how Bogut balanced them.
Blazers / T-Wolves game ppd due to condensation on court caused by Disney on Ice
https://twitter.com/CodySharrett/status/838898210332688388
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/villains/images/2/2c/Evil-disney.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131223020905v)
Cavs should tank to lower seed to avoid the possibility of playing the Heat ;DIt would be intresting if Cavs meet the Heat in the first round .
Yeah, the Heat own them lately.
Heat up 11 on the Cavs with 5 minutes to go in Cleveland.By this point we would have been #1 seed if the Bulls game went our way, and if the team played well post allstar break
This is why last night's' loss was so terrible. If we would've won last night and the Heat hold on tonight, we would've been a mere 1.5 games back of the Cavs with a chance to make it a single game back with a win in LA tonight.
We simply can't afford those types of mental errors if we want any shot of getting that number one seed, let alone to stay ahead of the Wizards.
Nets beat Memphis tonight. They could string together a few wins in this last stretch of the season.they'll still finish with the worst record by a wide margin. before tonight they would have needed the lakers to lose 22 straight games and they'd have to close out 10-12 the rest of the season to pass the Lakers to get out of the bottom. best lottery odds are ours.
Nets beat Memphis tonight. They could string together a few wins in this last stretch of the season.they'll still finish with the worst record by a wide margin. before tonight they would have needed the lakers to lose 22 straight games and they'd have to close out 10-12 the rest of the season to pass the Lakers to get out of the bottom. best lottery odds are ours.
The addition of Nurkic to the Blazers was really huge for them. Another solid performance from the big guy with 17/8/4
The addition of Nurkic to the Blazers was really huge for them. Another solid performance from the big guy with 17/8/4
Yeah, Portland was smart to trade for him. If we had any needs in the frontcourt, I'm sure Ainge would have, too. Plus, with Blake Griffin signing here in the offseason, moot point...
Wowzer. Is anyone else watching Boogie COMPLETELY CHECKED OUT V THE RAPS. Extraordinary..
Makes me think that's why New Orleans (and us) weren't willing to give up more assets for him - he fully intends to become a free agent.
Wowzer. Is anyone else watching Boogie COMPLETELY CHECKED OUT V THE RAPS. Extraordinary..
Makes me think that's why New Orleans (and us) weren't willing to give up more assets for him - he fully intends to become a free agent.
Somehow they managed to get worse with Cousins LOL.
Wowzer. Is anyone else watching Boogie COMPLETELY CHECKED OUT V THE RAPS. Extraordinary..
Makes me think that's why New Orleans (and us) weren't willing to give up more assets for him - he fully intends to become a free agent.
Somehow they managed to get worse with Cousins LOL.
I'm going to somehow find the last quarter video. I've never seen anything like it. Like Okafor bad..
Wowzer. Is anyone else watching Boogie COMPLETELY CHECKED OUT V THE RAPS. Extraordinary..
Makes me think that's why New Orleans (and us) weren't willing to give up more assets for him - he fully intends to become a free agent.
Somehow they managed to get worse with Cousins LOL.
I'm going to somehow find the last quarter video. I've never seen anything like it. Like Okafor bad..
If you find it, please share.
I watched the clip and boogie is nowhere near as bad as okafor lol however Boogie did look like he was lacking energy, just looked/acted tired.
Thing to remember here.....the raptors are a top tier team and NOP hung with them the entire game......without The Brow, who got injures and played 17 mins....if he had not gotten hurt this thread wouldnt exist
I watched the clip and boogie is nowhere near as bad as okafor lol however Boogie did look like he was lacking energy, just looked/acted tired.
Thing to remember here.....the raptors are a top tier team and NOP hung with them the entire game......without The Brow, who got injures and played 17 mins....if he had not gotten hurt this thread wouldnt exist
This thread will still exist.
I watched the clip and boogie is nowhere near as bad as okafor lol however Boogie did look like he was lacking energy, just looked/acted tired.
Thing to remember here.....the raptors are a top tier team and NOP hung with them the entire game......without The Brow, who got injures and played 17 mins....if he had not gotten hurt this thread wouldnt exist
This thread will still exist.
And this is why I should not log into Cblog before breakfast lol Totally thought this was a "Bash Boogie" thread.........thanks for straightening me out hahaha TP
Wowzer. Is anyone else watching Boogie COMPLETELY CHECKED OUT V THE RAPS. Extraordinary..
Makes me think that's why New Orleans (and us) weren't willing to give up more assets for him - he fully intends to become a free agent.
Somehow they managed to get worse with Cousins LOL.
I'm going to somehow find the last quarter video. I've never seen anything like it. Like Okafor bad..
If you find it, please share.
It reallly deserves a wjsy style breakdown, but basically completely ignoring closeouts on Serge and Jonas, not being ready out of pick and rolls if he wasn't IMMEDIATELY fed on the roll, boxing out super lazy. Just moving reaaaallly slowly generally
You can see some bits in these highlihgts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0YCz98w6-0
So lost in the commotion tonight is that San Antonio won (without Kawhi and Aldridge), while Golden State lost.
They're now only 1.5 games above the Spurs (2 wins, 1 loss), while playing one more game than San Antonio. To make things even worse, they have not one but two games left IN San Antonio, and both of them are on the second night of a back to back.
They're going to end up losing that number one seed to San Antonio, and there's a very good chance that they play OKC in the first round. If they don't have Durant, that's going to be a close series, though GS will be favored, but either way it would be a great, emotional series.
It really is amazing that Miami has gone 20-4 since January 17th, at which point they were 11-30, and are now 31-34 (still under .500).Hopefully they meet the Cavs in the first round.
24 games is more than 25% of the season. That's not an insignificant sample size. I'm not sure I'd want to face this team in the playoffs. I guess we'll see if they 'come back to earth', or if this is what their potential always was.
Nurkic put up 28 points, 20 rebounds, 8 assists, 6 blocks, and 2 steals for the Blazers tonight. Crazy. He's really helping the Blazers out, which is great for us because they play the Wizards on Saturday on the second night of a back to back.
Nurkic put up 28 points, 20 rebounds, 8 assists, 6 blocks, and 2 steals for the Blazers tonight. Crazy. He's really helping the Blazers out, which is great for us because they play the Wizards on Saturday on the second night of a back to back.Amazing what a difference changing teams can make for a player. The Blazers are really winning that trade. They'll get a nice prospect with the Memphis pick.
Lol Barkley actually just made me laugh.
He was talking to Shaq and was like, "I can't wait until the Eastern Conference Finals. We won't have to work." And Shaq was like, "Why?" And Barkley goes, "Because Lebron hates me and Javale hates you!" lol
For those that don't know, those guys had beef (read: were overly sensitive) with Barkley and Shaq about some things they said/did:
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/01/charles-barkley-lebron-james-espn-radio-never-friends-nba-cavaliers
http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/02/javale-mcgee-vs-shaq-twitter-shaqtin-a-fool-shaquille-oneal-warriors
C'MON SACRAMENTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
USE THAT LOTTERY DUMPSTER TEAM TO KILL WIZARDS
I guess we're safe from Toronto for now. Down 20 against the surging Heat.
I guess we're safe from Toronto for now. Down 20 against the surging Heat.
Miami is a very dangerous team right now. I wouldn't want to face them in the 1st round.
Dame and McCollum are sooooo much more likable than Wall and Beal.
Wow, Wall can't get a better look than that. Crazy. Hopefully Portland can steal this in OT! But it's ridiculous that it has even got this far.just for fun, i bet you a tp that portland wins. deal? ;D
Wow, Wall can't get a better look than that. Crazy. Hopefully Portland can steal this in OT! But it's ridiculous that it has even got this far.just for fun, i bet you a tp that portland wins. deal? ;D
Is it just me, or has Portland been reamed by the refs tonight? It seems like Wall gets every single call, and Dame and Nurkic can't buy crap.how dare you question the ability of nba referees??!! ;D
ha, so if they win, we both get a tp. and if washington wins, i give you any way to console you. what a deal!!! ;DWow, Wall can't get a better look than that. Crazy. Hopefully Portland can steal this in OT! But it's ridiculous that it has even got this far.just for fun, i bet you a tp that portland wins. deal? ;D
Psssttt, I got Portland winning, too!
thanks one back at you. i will donate one more in an hour....if you think you can wait that long. ;)Wow, Wall can't get a better look than that. Crazy. Hopefully Portland can steal this in OT! But it's ridiculous that it has even got this far.just for fun, i bet you a tp that portland wins. deal? ;D
Psssttt, I got Portland winning, too!
EDIT: But here's a TP for your eternal optimism! If Portland can actually pull this out, this would be the best outcome. Eventually all of these minutes and OT games are going to wear their starters down.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2697582-markieff-morris-stepped-out-before-game-winner-vs-blazers-per-nba-l2m-report
NBA admits that Morris' game-winning shot last night shouldn't have counted on a blatant missed out of bounds call that refs call multiple times every game.
Just another example of NBA officiating incompetence. And this was a crucial game that greatly affected the playoff chances of Portland, along with the race for the second seed against Boston. Just a terrible officiating job by the refs that has huge ramifications.
What's worse is that the officials admitted to the Portland players that they blew the call, but the "rules" of reviews prevented them from looking at the play. What a joke.
The Nets are blowing out the Knicks so far at the half! Brooklyn has looked a lot better lately.
So does anyone actually like this type of basketball that the Rockets play? I do LOVE the way they crash the offensive boards, but this 3 or paint shot offense gets a bit annoying at times seeing them jack up half a dozen three point attempts in one possession after offensive rebounds.
So does anyone actually like this type of basketball that the Rockets play? I do LOVE the way they crash the offensive boards, but this 3 or paint shot offense gets a bit annoying at times seeing them jack up half a dozen three point attempts in one possession after offensive rebounds.
If we had the horses to crash the glass like them, we'd have their record.
Wizards looking really fatigued again. Down 28-12 in the first quarter with Five to go still.jeeze. Hopefully they fall apart down the stretch. But just enough to keep us as their second round matchup.
Wizards looking really fatigued again. Down 28-12 in the first quarter with Five to go still.jeeze. Hopefully they fall apart down the stretch. But just enough to keep us as their second round matchup.
Rubio already has 10 assists.
That is craziness.
Wizards looking really fatigued again. Down 28-12 in the first quarter with Five to go still.jeeze. Hopefully they fall apart down the stretch. But just enough to keep us as their second round matchup.
Rubio already has 10 assists.
That is craziness.
Timberpuppies might actually pull this off, even though they've done pretty much everything in their power to give this game away.
Wow Cavs are 10/10 from 3!If we do face em thats the only thing that worries me...we need to control their threes. They already made the record this yr i believe in makes so if they are hot, even the Spurs or Warriors will not be able to stop that and the way Lebron see's everything its a nightmare to cover.
Killing the Pistons .
Wow Cavs are 10/10 from 3!If we do face em thats the only thing that worries me...we need to control their threes. They already made the record this yr i believe in makes so if they are hot, even the Surs or Warriors will not be able to stop that and the way Lebron see's everything its a nightmare to cover.
Killing the Pistons .
Wow Cavs are 10/10 from 3!If we do face em thats the only thing that worries me...we need to control their threes. They already made the record this yr i believe in makes so if they are hot, even the Surs or Warriors will not be able to stop that and the way Lebron see's everything its a nightmare to cover.
Killing the Pistons .
I heard somewhere that the Celtics are one of the best teams at defending the three. At least according to opponent FG%.
The Lakers are the new Sixers.
They are beyond bad .
Skal Labissiere just randomly dropped 32 and 11 rebounds off the bench in 29 min :o
NBA officiating is so ridiculous anymore.
The Heat's James Johnson just got a technical foul because his right knee went into Cousins' stomach when he was going up for a right handed layup/dunk.
Anyone that knows anything about basketball knows that a proper layup has your right leg go up with your right arm on a right-handed layup. Officials are now claiming basic fundamentals are "extracurricular" activities and "unnatural" acts and assessing T's for them.
These arbitrary flagrant and "unnatural" technical foul calls are so out of hand.
Man, the addition of Love makes the Cavs' offense so dynamic. He has really embraced the third star role and is playing better off Lebron and Kyrie now. That's a tough matchup for us down low.
Man, the addition of Love makes the Cavs' offense so dynamic. He has really embraced the third star role and is playing better off Lebron and Kyrie now. That's a tough matchup for us down low.
Can't Kelly just take him out?
Raptors losing to OKC. 52-42 deficit.you knew they couldnt sustain the loss of Lowry. IMO hes the MVP of that team. I find Derozan overrated.
Raptors losing to OKC. 52-42 deficit.
Raptors losing to OKC. 52-42 deficit.you knew they couldnt sustain the loss of Lowry. IMO hes the MVP of that team. I find Derozan overrated.
Raptors losing to OKC. 52-42 deficit.
Cavs tied with Jazz, too. Would be two big losses for us, especially the Cavs loss.
When are the Nets going to shut Lopez down? It doesn't make sense to keep playing him and risking injury. Either that hurts them next year or it hurts his trade value this summer at the draft. Hopefully he takes the game against us off.Maybe their strategy could be showcasing his durability, one of the things that have been questionable for him. Is there any other way to increase his value as he ages?
Wow! The Sixers are crushing the Mavs!! 103-65 at the moment!
Go Orlando beat Suns
Man I would L O V E to play Chicago in the first round
Man I would L O V E to play Chicago in the first round
Unfortunately they are probably playing themselves out of the first round.
But yeah I'd love either Detroit or Chicago (we match up well against DET also).
Miami scares me a bit, and so does Indiana with a playoff-vintage Paul George.
LeBron James just got dislodged by a push in front of the ref, no call. I am surprised he did not go ballistic.
Starting to wonder if CLE is just playing dull to avoid MIA first round.
Washington just put up 71 points in the first half on the Cavs home floor, but people don't think Cleveland should be worried about their defense?TP, I think their poor defenders will definitely hurt them come playoff time. Players like Korver and JR are just very weak defensively, as well as old.
This isn't something that they can just "turn on" in the playoffs. They don't have the above average defenders to do that. They have deep-seated issues with their defense, especially rotations and just playing bad defenders,that go well beyond effort.
Washington just put up 71 points in the first half on the Cavs home floor, but people don't think Cleveland should be worried about their defense?
This isn't something that they can just "turn on" in the playoffs. They don't have the above average defenders to do that. They have deep-seated issues with their defense, especially rotations and just playing bad defenders,that go well beyond effort.
The Cav announcers are brutal.
The Cav announcers are brutal.
Irving and other divas don't want to expend energy play n defense ......they think or HOPE they can just out score or out shoot everybody . They probably can ' t play to just out shoot teams like Warriors , Rockets , Washington , or Celtics .......
They are going to have to actually play full out defense.
Wow, Atlanta is really cratering to close out the regular season.
That team has been so confounding this year, they've had some really hot and cold, prolonged stretches of play. Millsap is definitely going to leave, although I wonder about his health.
ITs effort level isnt that bad.Irving and other divas don't want to expend energy play n defense ......they think or HOPE they can just out score or out shoot everybody . They probably can ' t play to just out shoot teams like Warriors , Rockets , Washington , or Celtics .......
They are going to have to actually play full out defense.
If there is a fan base out there that shouldn't be criticizing the defense of another teams point guard it's the Celtics...
Lol after winning a big game yesterday against Utah, the Clippers lost to Sacramento today in LA lol
Lol after winning a big game yesterday against Utah, the Clippers lost to Sacramento today in LA lol
Blew a big 4th quarter lead too.
I don't think Clippers scare anyone (except maybe their own fans).
Lol after winning a big game yesterday against Utah, the Clippers lost to Sacramento today in LA lol
Blew a big 4th quarter lead too.
I don't think Clippers scare anyone (except maybe their own fans).
When has Griffin ever showed up in a big game or when his team truly needs him?
Team was choking today and he didn't even take over.
CP3 can but Griffin rarely does. Same thing today..
Lol after winning a big game yesterday against Utah, the Clippers lost to Sacramento today in LA lol
Blew a big 4th quarter lead too.
I don't think Clippers scare anyone (except maybe their own fans).
When has Griffin ever showed up in a big game or when his team truly needs him?
Team was choking today and he didn't even take over.
CP3 can but Griffin rarely does. Same thing today..
And I'd still max him out without thinking twice about it.
Houston sure can make a lot of threes.
Ariza, Gordon, and Williams have 17 combined made threes alone.
ITs effort level isnt that bad.Irving and other divas don't want to expend energy play n defense ......they think or HOPE they can just out score or out shoot everybody . They probably can ' t play to just out shoot teams like Warriors , Rockets , Washington , or Celtics .......
They are going to have to actually play full out defense.
If there is a fan base out there that shouldn't be criticizing the defense of another teams point guard it's the Celtics...
ITs effort level isnt that bad.Irving and other divas don't want to expend energy play n defense ......they think or HOPE they can just out score or out shoot everybody . They probably can ' t play to just out shoot teams like Warriors , Rockets , Washington , or Celtics .......
They are going to have to actually play full out defense.
If there is a fan base out there that shouldn't be criticizing the defense of another teams point guard it's the Celtics...
I'll take things Celtics fans say for 800!
ITs effort level isnt that bad.Irving and other divas don't want to expend energy play n defense ......they think or HOPE they can just out score or out shoot everybody . They probably can ' t play to just out shoot teams like Warriors , Rockets , Washington , or Celtics .......
They are going to have to actually play full out defense.
If there is a fan base out there that shouldn't be criticizing the defense of another teams point guard it's the Celtics...
I'll take things Celtics fans say for 800!
Not your best work....
ITs effort level isnt that bad.Irving and other divas don't want to expend energy play n defense ......they think or HOPE they can just out score or out shoot everybody . They probably can ' t play to just out shoot teams like Warriors , Rockets , Washington , or Celtics .......
They are going to have to actually play full out defense.
If there is a fan base out there that shouldn't be criticizing the defense of another teams point guard it's the Celtics...
I'll take things Celtics fans say for 800!
Not your best work....
I mean who even cares if he "tries hard" on defense?
He's a brutal defender, and he's going to get abused in a 7 game series.
His effort level is not that bad.ITs effort level isnt that bad.Irving and other divas don't want to expend energy play n defense ......they think or HOPE they can just out score or out shoot everybody . They probably can ' t play to just out shoot teams like Warriors , Rockets , Washington , or Celtics .......
They are going to have to actually play full out defense.
If there is a fan base out there that shouldn't be criticizing the defense of another teams point guard it's the Celtics...
I'll take things Celtics fans say for 800!
Not your best work....
I mean who even cares if he "tries hard" on defense?
He's a brutal defender, and he's going to get abused in a 7 game series.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2699490-paul-millsap-to-miss-at-least-next-3-hawks-games-due-to-knee-injury
Ouch, Millsap out at least another 3 games after undergoing a non-surgical procedure on his knee.
We play them on April 6th, and they have four games between now and then. So there's a very real chance that he doesn't play against us that game, and they could fall quite a bit in the playoff race in that timeframe that he's out. They might be in danger of totally missing the playoffs, too.
ITs effort level isnt that bad.Irving and other divas don't want to expend energy play n defense ......they think or HOPE they can just out score or out shoot everybody . They probably can ' t play to just out shoot teams like Warriors , Rockets , Washington , or Celtics .......
They are going to have to actually play full out defense.
If there is a fan base out there that shouldn't be criticizing the defense of another teams point guard it's the Celtics...
I'll take things Celtics fans say for 800!
Not your best work....
I mean who even cares if he "tries hard" on defense?
He's a brutal defender, and he's going to get abused in a 7 game series.
So, I guess Paul George just went off on his team again when Minny came to town and beat them.
He is as good as traded this summer, right? That locker room is toxic right now. We might be able to legitimately get him for not much more than the Brooklyn pick at this point.
So, I guess Paul George just went off on his team again when Minny came to town and beat them.
He is as good as traded this summer, right? That locker room is toxic right now. We might be able to legitimately get him for not much more than the Brooklyn pick at this point.
So, I guess Paul George just went off on his team again when Minny came to town and beat them.
He is as good as traded this summer, right? That locker room is toxic right now. We might be able to legitimately get him for not much more than the Brooklyn pick at this point.
why would you trade the Brooklyn pick for George?
So, I guess Paul George just went off on his team again when Minny came to town and beat them.
He is as good as traded this summer, right? That locker room is toxic right now. We might be able to legitimately get him for not much more than the Brooklyn pick at this point.
why would you trade the Brooklyn pick for George?
No guarantee that the pick is ever as good as George, and you're not getting him without including it. Obviously he'd have to give a "handshake agreement" about resigning, like Love did with Cleveland. But it's not crazy to suggest trading the pick for him. He's a perfect fit in Brad's system.
That being said, I'm not sure that I'd do that trade if we have a shot at Fultz. I think that kid will be elite. He has Lillard-like offensive potential, while also having all of the tools to be an elite defensive player, too.
So, I guess Paul George just went off on his team again when Minny came to town and beat them.
He is as good as traded this summer, right? That locker room is toxic right now. We might be able to legitimately get him for not much more than the Brooklyn pick at this point.
why would you trade the Brooklyn pick for George?
No guarantee that the pick is ever as good as George, and you're not getting him without including it. Obviously he'd have to give a "handshake agreement" about resigning, like Love did with Cleveland. But it's not crazy to suggest trading the pick for him. He's a perfect fit in Brad's system.
That being said, I'm not sure that I'd do that trade if we have a shot at Fultz. I think that kid will be elite. He has Lillard-like offensive potential, while also having all of the tools to be an elite defensive player, too.
So, I guess Paul George just went off on his team again when Minny came to town and beat them.
He is as good as traded this summer, right? That locker room is toxic right now. We might be able to legitimately get him for not much more than the Brooklyn pick at this point.
why would you trade the Brooklyn pick for George?
No guarantee that the pick is ever as good as George, and you're not getting him without including it. Obviously he'd have to give a "handshake agreement" about resigning, like Love did with Cleveland. But it's not crazy to suggest trading the pick for him. He's a perfect fit in Brad's system.
That being said, I'm not sure that I'd do that trade if we have a shot at Fultz. I think that kid will be elite. He has Lillard-like offensive potential, while also having all of the tools to be an elite defensive player, too.
Pretty sure those handshake agreements are no better now than when Carlos Boozer made one with Cleveland.
Sign the extension or not worth giving up much at all, meaning you get what Sac got for Cousins: crap.
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/847129388231540736
So, Stephenson has now went full circle and is back on the Pacers lol
Larry has became so desperate at this point.
Cleveland is an awful matchup for the Pacers. I really can't see that going more than 5 games.https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/847129388231540736
So, Stephenson has now went full circle and is back on the Pacers lol
Larry has became so desperate at this point.
There's the star that Indiana has coveted to pair with PG13 :laugh:
In all seriousness, IF Indiana match up with CLE first round, I actually think that would be interesting, especially if PG13 goes off like he has before.
Still think CLE wins but could take it to 6, maybe 7 games.
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/847129388231540736
So, Stephenson has now went full circle and is back on the Pacers lol
Larry has became so desperate at this point.
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/847129388231540736
So, Stephenson has now went full circle and is back on the Pacers lol
Larry has became so desperate at this point.
Is Lance playoff eligible?
https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/847129388231540736
So, Stephenson has now went full circle and is back on the Pacers lol
Larry has became so desperate at this point.
Is Lance playoff eligible?
I may be wrong, but I don't think so. He was on the Twolves after the deadline to cut players in time to be playoff eligible.
Are the Warriors the best team in the league without Durant?
Are the Warriors the best team in the league without Durant?
Are the Warriors the best team in the league without Durant?
Are the Warriors the best team in the league without Durant?
IDK...it looked pretty questionable there for a minute when Durant first went down. But it seems they've got their sea legs back under them now and are playing a lot better.
One thing is for certain though, when Durant comes back, no one is beating them if he stays healthy. It'd be a colossal upset if they didn't win the title.
Can playoff Rondo show up along with Butler and help us out against the Cavs? Or do the Cavs start to right the ship.
Can playoff Rondo show up along with Butler and help us out against the Cavs? Or do the Cavs start to right the ship.
A Bulls win would be huge for us, and not only for the Cavs loss. It would keep the Bulls hot on the trail for the 8th playoff spot and they play the Nets twice in the last 3 games of the season. Even with a loss, the Bulls schedule is pretty favorable after tonight's game.
Bulls are 3-0 vs. Cleveland this season.Can playoff Rondo show up along with Butler and help us out against the Cavs? Or do the Cavs start to right the ship.
A Bulls win would be huge for us, and not only for the Cavs loss. It would keep the Bulls hot on the trail for the 8th playoff spot and they play the Nets twice in the last 3 games of the season. Even with a loss, the Bulls schedule is pretty favorable after tonight's game.
if I am remembering right the Bulls beat the Cavs once this year already?
Bulls are 3-0 vs. Cleveland this season.Can playoff Rondo show up along with Butler and help us out against the Cavs? Or do the Cavs start to right the ship.
A Bulls win would be huge for us, and not only for the Cavs loss. It would keep the Bulls hot on the trail for the 8th playoff spot and they play the Nets twice in the last 3 games of the season. Even with a loss, the Bulls schedule is pretty favorable after tonight's game.
if I am remembering right the Bulls beat the Cavs once this year already?
Since Lebron left Miami, Wade is 7-2 against the Cavs(Im not sure if Lebron played in all those games).Bulls are 3-0 vs. Cleveland this season.Can playoff Rondo show up along with Butler and help us out against the Cavs? Or do the Cavs start to right the ship.
A Bulls win would be huge for us, and not only for the Cavs loss. It would keep the Bulls hot on the trail for the 8th playoff spot and they play the Nets twice in the last 3 games of the season. Even with a loss, the Bulls schedule is pretty favorable after tonight's game.
if I am remembering right the Bulls beat the Cavs once this year already?
Wade has seemed to have Lebron's number the last few years? I feel like Miami was beating them last year too....
Rondo playingall star Rondo levelnational tv broadcast Rondo level, right now.
Rondo playing all star Rondo level, right now.
Rondo playing all star Rondo level, right now.
Yeah, I'm not sure I want to face playoff Rondo in the first round.
At what point does everyone consider that something bad could be happening to the Cavs and they might not be able to just "Flip a switch" come playoff time?
Like the month of March has been embarrassing for them.Squad is now fully healthy too. If their D and chemistry doesn't improve One of the Celtics/Wizards/Raptors could be finals bound.
At what point does everyone consider that something bad could be happening to the Cavs and they might not be able to just "Flip a switch" come playoff time?
Like the month of March has been embarrassing for them.Squad is now fully healthy too. If their D and chemistry doesn't improve One of the Celtics/Wizards/Raptors could be finals bound.
Rondo playing all star Rondo level, right now.
Yeah, I'm not sure I want to face playoff Rondo in the first round.
The league is rigged. Told to keep the cavs alive
Rondo doing us a solid tonightyou beat me to it lol
So Chicago has literally SWEPT the Cavs this season. Woooowwwww.Rondo-Wade-Butler
So Chicago has literally SWEPT the Cavs this season. Woooowwwww.Rondo-Wade-Butler
3 big game guys who have each given Lebron trouble in the past (Rondo with Cs, Wade with Heat, and this year Jimmy has bothered Lebron a lot)
This gave me a good laugh:
Yes, the Cavaliers’ defense is bad, but history shows they get things going when it matters in the playoffs. Head coach Tyronn Lue said he has a “secret plan” to fix Cleveland’s defense, but he’s holding back on it for the postseason. Maybe there’s a method to his madness.
Secret plan....
do you guys think that paul pierce will be in the rotation for the playoffs, 'cause right now he is getting some minutes, and he hasn't been playing from january to march.tough call. he might be activated but not play much
that would be sooooooo cooool te see him get 20-25 min and go all out for one more time.
do you guys think that paul pierce will be in the rotation for the playoffs, 'cause right now he is getting some minutes, and he hasn't been playing from january to march.
that would be sooooooo cooool te see him get 20-25 min and go all out for one more time.
i would pretty much die to see another game winner in the playoffs :D
do you guys think that paul pierce will be in the rotation for the playoffs, 'cause right now he is getting some minutes, and he hasn't been playing from january to march.
that would be sooooooo cooool te see him get 20-25 min and go all out for one more time.
I would put money on him being in the rotation (15-20mins), Doc loves his Vets and basically saving him for the post season. He will probably play a lot of PF for the second unit.
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George is gonna get All-NBA lol.
people watching this? i don't want to play atlanta anymore , and if they win this probably won't face them in first round
people watching this? i don't want to play atlanta anymore , and if they win this probably won't face them in first round
That's Washington's or Toronto's problem in the first round!
Cavs up 19 on hawks at halftime
Is it just me or are the Cavs way more dangerous without Tristan?
Is it just me or are the Cavs way more dangerous without Tristan?
He bogs down the offense. I never understood why they paid him so much. He came up huge for them when Love was out during the playoffs one year, but Love is healthy , they should just run with him and should have let Thompson go and used the money to fill a bigger need.
Cavs up 19 on hawks at halftime
Toronto won today too. We could possibly fall to the 3 seed.
bingo.Is it just me or are the Cavs way more dangerous without Tristan?
He bogs down the offense. I never understood why they paid him so much. He came up huge for them when Love was out during the playoffs one year, but Love is healthy , they should just run with him and should have let Thompson go and used the money to fill a bigger need.
Because defense is a thing. Especially in the playoffs.
They cannot get away with giving so many minutes to all of these non-defenders when it comes time to face off with the Warriors.
Deron, R-Jeff, Frye, Love, Korver ... more than half their rotation is made up of poor defensive players. Not to mention Kyrie, who sometimes plays defense in the playoffs, and J.R., who has the physical ability to defend but is often a space cadet on that end.
Tristan beasts the boards and can credibly switch onto perimeter players. He's come up big in the playoffs numerous times over the last couple of runs.
Last year, the Cavs most dangerous lineup was easily Kyrie - J.R. - Jefferson - Bron - Thompson.
bingo.Is it just me or are the Cavs way more dangerous without Tristan?
He bogs down the offense. I never understood why they paid him so much. He came up huge for them when Love was out during the playoffs one year, but Love is healthy , they should just run with him and should have let Thompson go and used the money to fill a bigger need.
Because defense is a thing. Especially in the playoffs.
They cannot get away with giving so many minutes to all of these non-defenders when it comes time to face off with the Warriors.
Deron, R-Jeff, Frye, Love, Korver ... more than half their rotation is made up of poor defensive players. Not to mention Kyrie, who sometimes plays defense in the playoffs, and J.R., who has the physical ability to defend but is often a space cadet on that end.
Tristan beasts the boards and can credibly switch onto perimeter players. He's come up big in the playoffs numerous times over the last couple of runs.
Last year, the Cavs most dangerous lineup was easily Kyrie - J.R. - Jefferson - Bron - Thompson.
Tristan can switch on picks and control the glass.
ridiculously important in the playoffs.
OT on a buzzer beater! Wow!
Lebron fouls out!
WOOT! So now BOS win out, CLE lose 1 more game, and #1 seed for us?Unreal what a meltdown
no one deserves the 1 seed. give it to Toronto or some ****.
What a choke! Now they have to do a B2B against Miami after 40+ minutes for LBJ!
WOOT! So now BOS win out, CLE lose 1 more game, and #1 seed for us?Unreal what a meltdown
Is this true?
If we manage to steal that 1 seed would we avoid Toronto in the second round?WOOT! So now BOS win out, CLE lose 1 more game, and #1 seed for us?Unreal what a meltdown
Is this true?
Yep. If we win out and they lose tomorrow, then we're the one seed. There's no guarantee that they play Lebron and Kyrie tomorrow either.
If we manage to steal that 1 seed would we avoid Toronto in the second round?WOOT! So now BOS win out, CLE lose 1 more game, and #1 seed for us?Unreal what a meltdown
Is this true?
Yep. If we win out and they lose tomorrow, then we're the one seed. There's no guarantee that they play Lebron and Kyrie tomorrow either.
If we manage to steal that 1 seed would we avoid Toronto in the second round?WOOT! So now BOS win out, CLE lose 1 more game, and #1 seed for us?Unreal what a meltdown
Is this true?
Yep. If we win out and they lose tomorrow, then we're the one seed. There's no guarantee that they play Lebron and Kyrie tomorrow either.
Yep. Washington is locked in at 4 now, and Toronto is almost 99% certain at the 3 seed.
TP for everyone!
I had a flight today and signed off with the Hawks down almost 30. Just signed on to see what the final score was and gasped out language that I really shouldn't use in front of my eight-year olds. Fortunately, they're on their iPads, so nothing short of the ceiling falling in will distract them.
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Hawks are for real...
avoid in the playoffs at all cost
Westbrook just won the MVP
Westbrook just won the MVP
James Harden is also deserving, but I just don't see any way Russ doesn't win it now.
Hawks out scored Cleveland 44-18 in the 4th Q :o
Westbrook just won the MVP
James Harden is also deserving, but I just don't see any way Russ doesn't win it now.
Harden has a higher total points created (individual points scored per game + points created per game from assists), WS, WS/48, TS%, Net RTG, and does it with a substantially lower usage rate. His team also is higher in the standings. There's plenty of reason to choose Harden.
Westbrook just won the MVP
James Harden is also deserving, but I just don't see any way Russ doesn't win it now.
Harden has a higher total points created (individual points scored per game + points created per game from assists), WS, WS/48, TS%, Net RTG, and does it with a substantially lower usage rate. His team also is higher in the standings. There's plenty of reason to choose Harden.
I just think overall, Harden has a better team around him though. Better guys who fit the system, and good shooters (also with the addition of Lou Williams).
Not at all to take away from Harden, but without Westbrook, OKC would legitimately be a bottom-5 team in the league IMO. He's the only reason they are in the playoffs, and would probably have less than 30 wins without him.
Westbrook just won the MVP
James Harden is also deserving, but I just don't see any way Russ doesn't win it now.
Harden has a higher total points created (individual points scored per game + points created per game from assists), WS, WS/48, TS%, Net RTG, and does it with a substantially lower usage rate. His team also is higher in the standings. There's plenty of reason to choose Harden.
I just think overall, Harden has a better team around him though. Better guys who fit the system, and good shooters (also with the addition of Lou Williams).
Not at all to take away from Harden, but without Westbrook, OKC would legitimately be a bottom-5 team in the league IMO. He's the only reason they are in the playoffs, and would probably have less than 30 wins without him.
And yet the second best player, and probably the 3rd best player, play for OKC. Victor Oladipo is better than anyone on Houston not named James Harden, and Enes Kanter is arguably the 6th man of the year.
I don't buy the argument OKC is any worse than Houston, in terms of talent outside the two MVP candidates. Better fitting, probably, but not less talented. To me, Harden has done more to make his teammates better.
Lakers are still safe I think , they are third worst team , Philly has a two game tank on them.
Lakers are still safe I think , they are third worst team , Philly has a two game tank on them.
I'd hardly call a 44% chance of losing your draft pick safe. And that's if they finish w/ the 2nd worst record, currently it's more likely that they lose the pick than keep it.
Lakers are still safe I think , they are third worst team , Philly has a two game tank on them.
I'd hardly call a 44% chance of losing your draft pick safe. And that's if they finish w/ the 2nd worst record, currently it's more likely that they lose the pick than keep it.
If they finish 3rd there's a 53% chance they lose it (plus their 2019 pick!!! ;D).
41% chance they lose it if they finish alone for 2nd.
But as Phoenix has only 1 more game, the best the Lakers could do is tie for 2nd, in which case they split ping pong balls with Phoenix, which would give them ~47% chance of losing the pick.
So it'll be either 53% or 47% odds of losing their 2017 and 2019 picks.
Your percentages are off. It would be 44% chance to lose the picks for finishing alone in 2nd and 49% if they finish tied for 2nd.Lakers are still safe I think , they are third worst team , Philly has a two game tank on them.
I'd hardly call a 44% chance of losing your draft pick safe. And that's if they finish w/ the 2nd worst record, currently it's more likely that they lose the pick than keep it.
If they finish 3rd there's a 53% chance they lose it (plus their 2019 pick!!! ;D).
41% chance they lose it if they finish alone for 2nd.
But as Phoenix has only 1 more game, the best the Lakers could do is tie for 2nd, in which case they split ping pong balls with Phoenix, which would give them ~47% chance of losing the pick.
So it'll be either 53% or 47% odds of losing their 2017 and 2019 picks.
Good freaking grief, this Heat team is so, so, so dumb.
The Heat feed keeps going back to a camera with some doofus standing up in juuuuust the right spot to block most of the baseline.
Good freaking grief, this Heat team is so, so, so dumb.
The Heat feed keeps going back to a camera with some doofus standing up in juuuuust the right spot to block most of the baseline.
James Johnson, Lebron gets that call in that moment.
Good freaking grief, this Heat team is so, so, so dumb.
LOL get the ball with 3 seconds to go, yet they fail to call a timeout... How dumb can this team be?
Man, I don't know about that last Love foul. That was pretty close to a clean block, but at least it hurt the Cavs!
YES MIAMI!!!
FIRST SEED HERE WE COME!!!
If the Hawks beat Charlotte tomorrow, the Bucks can't move from the 6th seed , due to the fact that Atlanta owns the tiebreak over them and the Bucks own the tiebreak over the Pacers.
Meaning that they could rest some of their guys Wednesday night against the Celtics.
I think if Brad Stevens doesn't win Coach of the Year, that award needs to go to Coach Spoelstra. The guy did it all without a Big 3 season to try and propel his team for a late playoff-clinching push.no way he gets it without making the playoffs and I dont see Miami making it.
I think if Brad Stevens doesn't win Coach of the Year, that award needs to go to Coach Spoelstra. The guy did it all without a Big 3 season to try and propel his team for a late playoff-clinching push.
In news regarding the pick we've mostly forgotten about, Minnesota finished tied with New York for the 6th worst record at 31-51. So we'll get either 36 or 37, depending how the lottery shakes out (whichever of the two picks first in the lottery gets the lower of the second-rounders). There's certainly a chance to get a decent prospect at that point in this draft, including a few intriguing internationals.
In news regarding the pick we've mostly forgotten about, Minnesota finished tied with New York for the 6th worst record at 31-51. So we'll get either 36 or 37, depending how the lottery shakes out (whichever of the two picks first in the lottery gets the lower of the second-rounders). There's certainly a chance to get a decent prospect at that point in this draft, including a few intriguing internationals.
That pick will go the way of last year's early 2nd round pick (i.e. sold), or else be used on a draft and stash.
I think if Brad Stevens doesn't win Coach of the Year, that award needs to go to Coach Spoelstra. The guy did it all without a Big 3 season to try and propel his team for a late playoff-clinching push.
The thing with Spoelstra is he was also the coach when they started 11-30.
I think if Brad Stevens doesn't win Coach of the Year, that award needs to go to Coach Spoelstra. The guy did it all without a Big 3 season to try and propel his team for a late playoff-clinching push.
The thing with Spoelstra is he was also the coach when they started 11-30.
Yeah, I mean, that has to count against him if the rest of the season counts for him. Also, they didn't make the playoffs in the end, tough to give COY to a coach who didn't make the playoffs.
Turn on OKC-Houston if you aren't watching already. Westbrook's in full Beast Mode - 36 and 1 board shy of a triple-double with 3 minutes left in the 3rd.
Harden's doing very little but that could change in a hurry for Houston.
EDIT: 17 stars, I'm KG now! ANYTHING IS POSSIBLEEEEEEEEEE!
That game was like a microcosm of Good Westbrook and Bad Westbrook, and to a lesser degree good and bad Harden. But deeper in the game it was more good Harden and bad Westbrook. He was brilliant most of the game but no excuse for the blatant ballhogging and forcing plays down the stretch.
Oops, forgot we have a playoff thread. Will repost.
Hard to believe 43 shots is really the best thing for the team, but on the other hand, scoring wasn't their biggest problem, it was defending. Couldn't stop the Rockets.
With the amount of spacing created by Thomas and Curry, I bet olynyk could score that much on the warriors
KO will probably start to be a good player once he'll sign with the Raptors someday.
I like KO but he has nothing to do with the Cs and what being a Celtics means.
Confidence issue, no consistency, bad fouls. And I never heard about how hard he worked off the court. Doesn't sound like a good future for him. And I'm not talking about his hair and goat beard. Juvenile at best, sorry.
This season was supposed to be the one where he shows what he's made of.
I'm moving on, same as I did with Sully in September last season.
Patience has its limit.
Sigh I really thought the Raptors were going to give them a decent game.
Sigh I really thought the Raptors were going to give them a decent game.
Ibaka is making a huge difference. If only we'd traded for him.
Sigh I really thought the Raptors were going to give them a decent game.
Ibaka is making a huge difference. If only we'd traded for him.
I am only following from my Phone so it is hard to say how he is really playing. He has 9 and 4 halfway through the second quarter which is obviously nice numbers. On the flip side Love does have 11 and 4 so maybe he is giving up as much as he is getting? Their biggest issues seems to be on defense where the cavs are on pay to have more than 60 by the half.
Edit: Looks like just hit another 3...
Once the game is out of reach the refs will start to even up the fouls for the box score
Once the game is out of reach the refs will start to even up the fouls for the box score
Now 19-15 in fouls with 5 minutes left.
Toronto plays right into Cleveland's hands with their offense. You aren't going to beat them going one on one. You have to make them work on defense and move the ball around. Toronto's bigs aren't going to have much of an effect on this series either.
David Lee and Aldridge manning the front court for the Spurs... could be a parade to the basket for Houston.
Don't like that defensive pairing at all.
This Spurs roster has some major holes defensively.
Warriors are going to eat them alive.
David Lee and Aldridge manning the front court for the Spurs... could be a parade to the basket for Houston.
Don't like that defensive pairing at all.
In what world should David freakin' Lee be starting over Pau Gasol? I realize he got in better shape when he left the Cs (or as he was leaving the Cs), but he should be in a Zeller role at best.
As expected, he laid a total egg to start the game.
This Spurs roster has some major holes defensively.
Warriors are going to eat them alive.
Warriors? It's early, but I'm not sure that they can get past Houston. I don't know how they guard the Rockets with the bigs they have and the switches and open shots they get off the PnR.
Lol the Bulls management just stated that they're going to keep Hoiberg on as coach, most likely retaining Rondo, too. That organization is truly a mess that needs a reshuffling from top to bottom. I wonder what that means for the chances of a Butler trade this offseason.
Bulls fans on Twitter are beating their heads against the wall after this news lol
Lol the Bulls management just stated that they're going to keep Hoiberg on as coach, most likely retaining Rondo, too. That organization is truly a mess that needs a reshuffling from top to bottom. I wonder what that means for the chances of a Butler trade this offseason.
Bulls fans on Twitter are beating their heads against the wall after this news lol
Actually, apparently Pax was pretty condescending of Butler's style of play and fit on the team. I don't know how they keep him this summer.
Spurs dominating the first half of a clinching game ON THE ROAD without Kahwi Leonard.
Spurs dominating the first half of a clinching game ON THE ROAD without Kahwi Leonard.
Why no Leonard?
Spurs dominating the first half of a clinching game ON THE ROAD without Kahwi Leonard.
Why no Leonard?
Twisted ankle. He hurt it late in game 5.
Is Harden blowing his chance at the MVP award tonight?
Is Harden blowing his chance at the MVP award tonight?
This is the Spurs without Leonard and Parker... WOW
Is Harden blowing his chance at the MVP award tonight?
I thought I read somewhere that the votes are in but names haven't been released yet. Bit if not, very well could. Major choke job tonight-- 1-2 FG, 5 TOs, season ends tonight
Is Harden blowing his chance at the MVP award tonight?
I thought I read somewhere that the votes are in but names haven't been released yet. Bit if not, very well could. Major choke job tonight-- 1-2 FG, 5 TOs, season ends tonight
He didn't even attempt a field goal until well into the 2nd quarter. Worse off, his body language doesn't look good. It looks like he's given up.
And this is why I wouldn't worry about the Spurs missing one key player, unless your name is Duncan or Robinson.
That said, they need Kawhi healthy against Durant in the next round.
have you guys taken a closer look at the salary this year:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries/ (http://hoopshype.com/salaries/)
the money some (bad)teams are giving is apsurd.
One team that is looking sharp are the Bucks(122mil this year, 82 next). They have some great trade assets in expiring contract, or they can hold it, and go for a max free agent.