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After this season if it came down to it, would you choose to keep CBS or Irving?

Brad Stevens
22 (84.6%)
Kyrie Irving
4 (15.4%)

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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2019, 05:55:20 PM »

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Quote from: Chris22 on March 25, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
Small guards don't win championships.
There is this team GSW, check their starting PG. Worth a look.
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2019, 05:56:21 PM »

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Kyrie.  Brad has worn out his welcome with me.  This is a team that needs pushed and managed and needs to utilize his youth and rotations better.  No reason some of these guys should be playing long minutes with the playoffs looming.  Rest them up.  And then when guys are sucking he keeps them in and pulls out the hot hands.  He’s a great coach for underachieving prove themselves bums but not for superstars.  He’s clearly out of his league.
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2019, 05:59:10 PM »

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Quote from: KGs Knee on March 25, 2019, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: PhoSita on March 25, 2019, 05:45:52 PM
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All I know is I liked Doc a lot more than I like Brad.

And it seems players respect him more.

Yeah, I mean, Isaiah Thomas, Evan Turner, Jae Crowder, Avery Bradley, Amir Johnson, etc.


So many players who clearly didn't respect Brad and didn't play hard for him.

They were playing to prove themselves.  Every single one of them was a player who felt they were being undervalued.

Rondo clearly didn't respect him.

Brad just doesn't have that kind of cache.  Stars dismiss him.

Rondo didn't respect Carlise also

Rondo is not the best example to use

Horford, IT4, Hayward. ..respect him
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2019, 06:10:07 PM »

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Also let’s not forget how close KD was to coming here, and how excited Kyrie was to play for Brad.

Meanwhile someone list the coaches or authority figures Kyrie has meshed well with.

Not-so-hot take: maybe Kyrie is good at basketball and bad at leading and teammating.
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2019, 06:11:26 PM »

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Quote from: triboy16f on March 25, 2019, 05:59:10 PM
Quote from: KGs Knee on March 25, 2019, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: PhoSita on March 25, 2019, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: KGs Knee on March 25, 2019, 05:30:56 PM
All I know is I liked Doc a lot more than I like Brad.

And it seems players respect him more.

Yeah, I mean, Isaiah Thomas, Evan Turner, Jae Crowder, Avery Bradley, Amir Johnson, etc.


So many players who clearly didn't respect Brad and didn't play hard for him.

They were playing to prove themselves.  Every single one of them was a player who felt they were being undervalued.

Rondo clearly didn't respect him.

Brad just doesn't have that kind of cache.  Stars dismiss him.

Rondo didn't respect Carlise also

Rondo is not the best example to use

Horford, IT4, Hayward. ..respect him

Sure, Rondo doesn't respect dopes or dicks

Horford would play the way any coach asks him

Hayward is Brad's 'guy'

IT4 was just looking for his "Brinks truck".

I would not trust Brad to manage a team led by Kyrie and Davis.  But without that level of talent, we aren't winning a chip.  So yeah, I take the star over the unproven coach.
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2019, 06:22:23 PM »

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Quote from: KGs Knee on March 25, 2019, 06:11:26 PM
Quote from: triboy16f on March 25, 2019, 05:59:10 PM
Quote from: KGs Knee on March 25, 2019, 05:51:11 PM
Quote from: PhoSita on March 25, 2019, 05:45:52 PM
Quote from: KGs Knee on March 25, 2019, 05:30:56 PM
All I know is I liked Doc a lot more than I like Brad.

And it seems players respect him more.

Yeah, I mean, Isaiah Thomas, Evan Turner, Jae Crowder, Avery Bradley, Amir Johnson, etc.


So many players who clearly didn't respect Brad and didn't play hard for him.

They were playing to prove themselves.  Every single one of them was a player who felt they were being undervalued.

Rondo clearly didn't respect him.

Brad just doesn't have that kind of cache.  Stars dismiss him.

Rondo didn't respect Carlise also

Rondo is not the best example to use

Horford, IT4, Hayward. ..respect him

Sure, Rondo doesn't respect dopes or dicks

Horford would play the way any coach asks him

Hayward is Brad's 'guy'

IT4 was just looking for his "Brinks truck".

I would not trust Brad to manage a team led by Kyrie and Davis.  But without that level of talent, we aren't winning a chip.  So yeah, I take the star over the unproven coach.

making to ECF is "unproven"?

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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2019, 06:24:51 PM »

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making to ECF is "unproven"?

Please remind me, where do the Celtics hang their ECF runner up banners?

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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2019, 06:35:50 PM »

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Quote from: Androslav on March 25, 2019, 05:55:20 PM
Quote from: Chris22 on March 25, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
Small guards don't win championships.
There is this team GSW, check their starting PG. Worth a look.

MVPs in the Finals.....see any small guards listed?

YEAR            PLAYER         TEAM
2017-18     Kevin Durant, Golden State Warriors
2016-17     Kevin Durant, Golden State Warriors
2015-16     LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2014-15     Andre Iguodala, Golden State Warriors
2013-14     Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio Spurs
2012-13     LeBron James, Miami Heat
2011-12     LeBron James, Miami Heat
2010-11     Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
2009-10     Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2008-09     Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2007-08     Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2019, 06:36:53 PM »

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Coaches are much easier to replace than players.
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2019, 06:51:40 PM »

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Quote from: Who on March 25, 2019, 06:36:53 PM
Coaches are much easier to replace than players.

I would agree with this.
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #25 on: March 25, 2019, 07:05:41 PM »

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Lol this will definitely be the thread and comments here for the next 3-4 months:



As for my answer: Brad Stevens

Also can we please first see what actually happens in the playoffs before officially proclaiming the season's a bust and Brad's a "failure"...

Like lets pretend we pull the improbable and make the ECF, or even Finals. Then do we really care what happened in the regular season??
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #26 on: March 25, 2019, 07:17:14 PM »

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voting 22-6 in favor of Stevens

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« Reply #27 on: March 25, 2019, 07:20:35 PM »

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Quote from: Who on March 25, 2019, 06:36:53 PM
Coaches are much easier to replace than players.


Bad to mediocre coaches, sure.

Above average to very good coaches?

I'm not so sure about that.
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #28 on: March 25, 2019, 07:21:15 PM »

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Quote from: Chris22 on March 25, 2019, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Androslav on March 25, 2019, 05:55:20 PM
Quote from: Chris22 on March 25, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
Small guards don't win championships.
There is this team GSW, check their starting PG. Worth a look.

MVPs in the Finals.....see any small guards listed?

YEAR            PLAYER         TEAM
2017-18     Kevin Durant, Golden State Warriors
2016-17     Kevin Durant, Golden State Warriors
2015-16     LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2014-15     Andre Iguodala, Golden State Warriors
2013-14     Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio Spurs
2012-13     LeBron James, Miami Heat
2011-12     LeBron James, Miami Heat
2010-11     Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
2009-10     Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2008-09     Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2007-08     Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics

Are you saying that Andre Iguadola was better/more important than Steph Curry in the 2015 finals?
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Re: If can only choose one to keep after this season - Stevens or Irving (poll)
« Reply #29 on: March 25, 2019, 07:24:57 PM »

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Quote from: Chris22 on March 25, 2019, 06:35:50 PM
Quote from: Androslav on March 25, 2019, 05:55:20 PM
Quote from: Chris22 on March 25, 2019, 05:14:47 PM
Small guards don't win championships.
There is this team GSW, check their starting PG. Worth a look.

MVPs in the Finals.....see any small guards listed?

YEAR            PLAYER         TEAM
2017-18     Kevin Durant, Golden State Warriors
2016-17     Kevin Durant, Golden State Warriors
2015-16     LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers
2014-15     Andre Iguodala, Golden State Warriors
2013-14     Kawhi Leonard, San Antonio Spurs
2012-13     LeBron James, Miami Heat
2011-12     LeBron James, Miami Heat
2010-11     Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks
2009-10     Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2008-09     Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
2007-08     Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics
Wow. Would you look a terrible that! The majority of those teams had good-elite small guards.

Rondo, Terry & Kidd, Wade, Parker & Curry. Crazy how you need elite talent (of which we have one) to win championships.

Do you believe that all those coaches are equal to or better than Brad, or did they have more talent?
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