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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #300 on: October 06, 2018, 12:14:31 PM »

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It is wild to me that Semi can't get a shot to go down. All indications are he should be a better shooter. I don't get it.
Reminds me of RJ Hunter in that regard
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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #301 on: October 06, 2018, 12:40:29 PM »

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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #302 on: October 06, 2018, 12:41:26 PM »

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It is wild to me that Semi can't get a shot to go down. All indications are he should be a better shooter. I don't get it.

It's crazy. We take guys people say can't shoot coming in and they shoot well in the NBA, we get guys that shot well or had the makings of a shooter/scorer in college and they look like poo. People still get on Danny for taking "poor shooters" but his formula may just be on the money lol. That or we need to get better shooting coaches!  :o
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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #303 on: October 06, 2018, 07:43:20 PM »

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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems.  Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game.  He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general.  You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #304 on: October 06, 2018, 07:51:28 PM »

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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems.  Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game.  He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general.  You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
Picturing Mo Bamba’s rail thin arms on Semi’s massive body is hilarious
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PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #305 on: October 06, 2018, 09:06:17 PM »

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rename this thread

Semi's Can't Shoot a lick Thread

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #306 on: October 06, 2018, 09:37:18 PM »

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rename this thread

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Yeah seems like Semi has taken a step back in progress.

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #307 on: October 07, 2018, 12:00:04 AM »

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geez louise folks, semi was the seventh pick in the second round. last year he had real and valuable contributions to the team when injuries occurred. and so far we have only seen pre-season games.

let's be patient and see what he turns into after a few years.
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« Reply #308 on: October 07, 2018, 12:04:46 AM »

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He ia a role player calm down... we need just certain things feom him

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #309 on: October 07, 2018, 12:05:13 AM »

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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems.  Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game.  He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general.  You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
well, he was a pretty good shooter in college, averaging 41.5% on 3 pointers. so it is not as if he has never been a good shooter. the question is what has happened to him so far in the nba. and by so far in the nba i mean ONE SEASON of 73 games at 16 minutes per game.

i will once again play the role of the broken record...why not wait and see whether he develops before jumping to a conclusion on the entirety of his career as a professional?
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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #310 on: October 07, 2018, 04:17:24 AM »

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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems.  Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game.  He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general.  You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
well, he was a pretty good shooter in college, averaging 41.5% on 3 pointers. so it is not as if he has never been a good shooter. the question is what has happened to him so far in the nba. and by so far in the nba i mean ONE SEASON of 73 games at 16 minutes per game.

i will once again play the role of the broken record...why not wait and see whether he develops before jumping to a conclusion on the entirety of his career as a professional?
I think both Yabusele and Ojeleye have exactly one year to convince management they are ready to become prime time players because after the 2019 draft we could end up with a Cam Reddish or Nassir Little, Jontae Porter or Jaylen Hoarde and then a player at the end of the first round. This upcoming draft could seal the fate of a bunch of players on the Celtics bench, depending on which players the Celtics decide to keep out of Rozier, Morris, Theis, Bird, Yabusele, Wannamaker and Ojeleye

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« Reply #311 on: October 07, 2018, 10:07:00 AM »

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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems.  Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game.  He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general.  You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
well, he was a pretty good shooter in college, averaging 41.5% on 3 pointers. so it is not as if he has never been a good shooter. the question is what has happened to him so far in the nba. and by so far in the nba i mean ONE SEASON of 73 games at 16 minutes per game.

i will once again play the role of the broken record...why not wait and see whether he develops before jumping to a conclusion on the entirety of his career as a professional?

He actually wasn't that great of a shooter in college despite claims saying otherwise. He had one good shooting year in a weak conference, but he also played 2 seasons in the much tougher ACC where he shot 34.8%. That's not good when you consider the closer 3PT college line, but it's more indicative of his shooting ability when you factor in the level of competition.

You're also dismissive of the sample size of his "one NBA season", but that sample size is much larger than the one you use (his 1 season at SMU) to make a case that he can actually shoot. So the breakdown is as follows:

College
Duke FG% 37.5 - 3PT% 34.8   ACC - 23 games
SMU  FG% 48.7 - 3PT% 42.4   AAC - 35 games (huge difference in that one letter)

NBA
Regular season FG% 34.6 - 3PT% 32.0 - 73 games
Playoffs            FG% 30.3 - 3PT% 27.3 - 17 games


As you see, the lone season he had at SMU is an aberration when you consider his overall shooting during his past college and current NBA career. Another thing to factor in, besides the level of competition and shorter college 3PT line, is where were these shots coming from. Where they coming off-the dribble or was he spotting up? Perhaps Semi, who was likely SMU's best player, had the ball in his hands a lot and the majority of these shots were not coming on catch and shoot looks as he's getting on the Celtics and received as a bench player at Duke. It could be entirely possible that he not only has issues with the longer distance in the NBA, but isn't that good in catch and shoot. Jamal Crawford is a player that comes to mine that is a much better shooter off-the-dribble than he is on catch and shoots.

This preseason Semi finished with shooting percentages of 19% from the field and 17.6% from 3's. Not exactly encouraging when you think that's what he needed to work on during the summer and so far seems to have regressed (if possible) shooting the ball.

You preach patience and cite Bradley and Perkins as references. The problem with that comparison is that Perkins was 19 and never played college, while Bradley was 20 and played one season in college. Semi is turning 24 in less than 60 days.
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Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #312 on: October 07, 2018, 10:22:59 AM »

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Give Williams Semi's minutes.

Re: Semi Ojeleye Catch All Thread
« Reply #313 on: October 07, 2018, 11:20:44 AM »

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Semi's biggest drawback is his lack of wingspan this hurts him going to the hoop and rebounding.
Has he got the yips or has he gotten musclebound his shot looks horrible .
I think the lack of wingspan is the least of his problems.  Better physical tools (which you already rave about) wouldn’t improve his offensive game.  He can’t shoot, can’t pass, doesn’t know how to move without the ball, can’t handle the ball, and has no offensive IQ in general.  You could give him Mo Bamba’s arms and it wouldn’t change any of that.
well, he was a pretty good shooter in college, averaging 41.5% on 3 pointers. so it is not as if he has never been a good shooter. the question is what has happened to him so far in the nba. and by so far in the nba i mean ONE SEASON of 73 games at 16 minutes per game.

i will once again play the role of the broken record...why not wait and see whether he develops before jumping to a conclusion on the entirety of his career as a professional?

He actually wasn't that great of a shooter in college despite claims saying otherwise. He had one good shooting year in a weak conference, but he also played 2 seasons in the much tougher ACC where he shot 34.8%. That's not good when you consider the closer 3PT college line, but it's more indicative of his shooting ability when you factor in the level of competition.

You're also dismissive of the sample size of his "one NBA season", but that sample size is much larger than the one you use (his 1 season at SMU) to make a case that he can actually shoot. So the breakdown is as follows:

College
Duke FG% 37.5 - 3PT% 34.8   ACC - 23 games
SMU  FG% 48.7 - 3PT% 42.4   AAC - 35 games (huge difference in that one letter)

NBA
Regular season FG% 34.6 - 3PT% 32.0 - 73 games
Playoffs            FG% 30.3 - 3PT% 27.3 - 17 games


As you see, the lone season he had at SMU is an aberration when you consider his overall shooting during his past college and current NBA career. Another thing to factor in, besides the level of competition and shorter college 3PT line, is where were these shots coming from. Where they coming off-the dribble or was he spotting up? Perhaps Semi, who was likely SMU's best player, had the ball in his hands a lot and the majority of these shots were not coming on catch and shoot looks as he's getting on the Celtics and received as a bench player at Duke. It could be entirely possible that he not only has issues with the longer distance in the NBA, but isn't that good in catch and shoot. Jamal Crawford is a player that comes to mine that is a much better shooter off-the-dribble than he is on catch and shoots.

This preseason Semi finished with shooting percentages of 19% from the field and 17.6% from 3's. Not exactly encouraging when you think that's what he needed to work on during the summer and so far seems to have regressed (if possible) shooting the ball.

You preach patience and cite Bradley and Perkins as references. The problem with that comparison is that Perkins was 19 and never played college, while Bradley was 20 and played one season in college. Semi is turning 24 in less than 60 days.
very good points. thanks for expanding the discussion and adding even more data. this does make me rethink my origin position and raises new questions. tp.  ;D
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