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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: tenn_smoothie on April 22, 2018, 02:56:47 AM
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Kyrie Irving's absence from games is an insult to the team. Lots of people on here continue to make excuses and give reasons why it is OK. When I read about yet another of his "group text messages" before home game vs Bucks and then our players praising this example of "great leadership" because it helped the young guys know what to expect, I thought how ridiculous and inexcusable that was and what an insult to the team and the Celtics organization that it represented. My opinion.
Marcus Smart cares so much that he travels with the team to Milwaukee to sit on the bench and support his teammates, even though he has no chance to play in Games 3 & 4. Yet Irving can't even make it to the Garden for Game 2 - though I suppose his grand gesture of sitting on the bench for the 1st half of Game 1 was supposed to impress everyone.
Yes, I know Garnett would watch from the locker room, same with Shaq, maybe Bird did sometimes, but they were right there at the game and with their teammates before they took the floor, at halftime and as they came off the floor. Garnett was always on the bench for playoff games, especially in '09 when he couldn't play because of his injury.
I worried about Kyrie Irving's mentality and dedication to his team from Day 1. He hasn't done much to ease my concerns ........................... on another note, I have yet to see the guy fight over the top of a screen all season. As Charlie Scott would say, "Act like a Celtic" !!!!
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I said the same about Kawhi so I won't make any excuses for Irving. Unless it is medically not possible he is disrespecting his teammates
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Kyrie Irving's absence from games is an insult to the team. Lots of people on here continue to make excuses and give reasons why it is OK. When I read about yet another of his "group text messages" before home game vs Bucks and then our players praising this example of "great leadership" because it helped the young guys know what to expect, I thought how ridiculous and inexcusable that was and what an insult to the team and the Celtics organization that it represented. My opinion.
Marcus Smart cares so much that he travels with the team to Milwaukee to sit on the bench and support his teammates, even though he has no chance to play in Games 3 & 4. Yet Irving can't even make it to the Garden for Game 2 - though I suppose his grand gesture of sitting on the bench for the 1st half of Game 1 was supposed to impress everyone.
Yes, I know Garnett would watch from the locker room, same with Shaq, maybe Bird did sometimes, but they were right there at the game and with their teammates before they took the floor, at halftime and as they came off the floor. Garnett was always on the bench for playoff games, especially in '09 when he couldn't play because of his injury.
I worried about Kyrie Irving's mentality and dedication to his team from Day 1. He hasn't done much to ease my concerns ........................... on another note, I have yet to see the guy fight over the top of a screen all season. As Charlie Scott would say, "Act like a Celtic" !!!!
Goodness sake man.. Its noy even off season yet.. Chill out.
Irving does not have to cut himself to let you see he is bleeding green.
Stop this non sense. Its a non issue to Brad, DA and ownership so why should you be bothered.
He wasn't even suppose to be walking without crutches in game 1 yet he was there...
Do yourself a favor and get off the ledge... It will be even more harder for you to sleep if the Bucks come back and beat us in this series.
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So another "hate Kyrie" thread.
Great!
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So much pettiness. Kyrie doesn't owe you anything. You people are too quick to judge without knowing anything, at all, about their circumstances. His teammates are okay with it, his coach, his GM. I for one, prefer the injured players to be at home, or somewhere resting or rehabbing. You mention you've been rebutted tons of times, yet you still come here with the same whining. No one owes you an explanation, and you've continuously shown your bias. We do not need the same thing over and over again.
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Lol at the OP. Really making an issue where there is none
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Has Gordon Hayward been on the bench during the playoffs?
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Has Gordon Hayward been on the bench during the playoffs?
Hayward is out of town doing specific rehab for his injury.
Not sure if those who excuse Irving are younger fans who have a different set of values than what I have - and what Celtics through franchise history have had - but the team comes first and he is supposed to be the main leader of this team. That is why he said he wanted to leave Cleveland, so he could be "The Man" leading his own team. He ain't leading.
My so-called "Bias" that someone mentioned is based on specific observed behavior during this season, not because I had some opinion about the guy's personality while he was in Cleveland.
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I have no problem with Kyrie not attending a game, it’s a non issue as far as I am concerned. It is not disrespectful in any way. As for Hayward, he is undergoing rehab in Indiana and so is not able to go to games. Perhaps Kyrie is also not traveling due to rehabbing his knee.
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So much pettiness. Kyrie doesn't owe you anything. You people are too quick to judge without knowing anything, at all, about their circumstances. His teammates are okay with it, his coach, his GM. I for one, prefer the injured players to be at home, or somewhere resting or rehabbing. You mention you've been rebutted tons of times, yet you still come here with the same whining. No one owes you an explanation, and you've continuously shown your bias. We do not need the same thing over and over again.
This is an opinion forum, so I will come here and state my opinions on matters related to the Celtics as I wish. I am not stating "the same thing over and over" - I am bringing up new examples that support my criticism of Irving.
Why is this guy above reproach ? Some posters like you appear to have your own agenda to support Irving despite any evidence to the contrary, holding on to him for dear life. Yes, he does owe his teammates, the franchise and the fans a commitment to putting the team ahead of himself. And as a matter of fact, I don't want anyone playing for the Celtics who does not bleed green and I don't apologize for feeling that way.
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Has Gordon Hayward been on the bench during the playoffs?
Hayward is out of town doing specific rehab for his injury.
Not sure if those who excuse Irving are younger fans who have a different set of values than what I have - and what Celtics through franchise history have had - but the team comes first and he is supposed to be the main leader of this team. That is why he said he wanted to leave Cleveland, so he could be "The Man" leading his own team. He ain't leading.
My so-called "Bias" that someone mentioned is based on specific observed behavior during this season, not because I had some opinion about the guy's personality while he was in Cleveland.
Why can't Kyrie be rehabbing? He just had surgery if you didn't know.
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So much pettiness. Kyrie doesn't owe you anything. You people are too quick to judge without knowing anything, at all, about their circumstances. His teammates are okay with it, his coach, his GM. I for one, prefer the injured players to be at home, or somewhere resting or rehabbing. You mention you've been rebutted tons of times, yet you still come here with the same whining. No one owes you an explanation, and you've continuously shown your bias. We do not need the same thing over and over again.
This is an opinion forum, so I will come here and state my opinions on matters related to the Celtics as I wish. I am not stating "the same thing over and over" - I am bringing up new examples that support my criticism of Irving.
Why is this guy above reproach ? Some posters like you appear to have your own agenda to support Irving despite any evidence to the contrary, holding on to him for dear life. Yes, he does owe his teammates, the franchise and the fans a commitment to putting the team ahead of himself. And as a matter of fact, I don't want anyone playing for the Celtics who does not bleed green and I don't apologize for feeling that way.
The "bleed green" mentality is awesome for the fans. There's an idealism that fits with our traditions as a sports city. Unfortunately the problem with this is that the landscape of professional sports has shifted way too much to ever expect this type of loyalty from a player.
For example, do you really think Jaylen Brown "bleeds green"? Have you read about how much time he invested in learning the business aspects of the NBA prior to being drafted? Don't you also think that Jaylen learned quite a bit from the way the IT situation played out? Jaylen has a very unique and individualistic personality. What makes him great is that his commitment and mentality fits everything we want in an ideal Celtic. However, let's not pretend that any of these guys will ever have true loyalty to the Franchise unless circumstance allows them to play out the majority of their career with the Celtics. The true loyalty comes AFTER success and longevity.
As for Kyrie, I'm not going to rip on him without knowing the full reasoning as to why he isn't with the team. I have no idea how his infection would play a role in rehab and recovery. There's been nothing to indicate a problem with Danny, Brad or his teammates. Last time I checked Danny and Brad have put together an excellent culture over the past 5 seasons. Why presume Kyrie guilty without a single report of tension between him and the organization? Horford's praise of Kyrie also carries significant weight. The Kawhi situation looks so bad because he cut off all communication with the organization and his teammates.
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This is just speculation but Kyrie is not traveling with the team because he just had knee surgery and can’t fly due to the risk of blood clots.
I’m a doctor, this is a real thing. Change in cabin pressure could cause Kyrie to throw a clot. I don’t think he can get on a plane for 6 weeks postop.
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Kyrie is Celtic AND a Leader of this team.
Let him rest and rehab his knee.
Once he (and GH and hopefully Smart) returns this team will be a sight to behold.
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In the meantime the youngsters Jaylen, Tatum and Rozier have made me proud with what they've done and they are NOT done fighting and advancing.
Let THEM play from under the shadow of Kyrie and GH and continue to do grow and do GREAT things.
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This is just speculation but Kyrie is not traveling with the team because he just had knee surgery and can’t fly due to the risk of blood clots.
I’m a doctor, this is a real thing. Change in cabin pressure could cause Kyrie to throw a clot. I don’t think he can get on a plane for 6 weeks postop.
TP ....from my better half.
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Has Gordon Hayward been on the bench during the playoffs?
Hayward is out of town doing specific rehab for his injury.
Not sure if those who excuse Irving are younger fans who have a different set of values than what I have - and what Celtics through franchise history have had - but the team comes first and he is supposed to be the main leader of this team. That is why he said he wanted to leave Cleveland, so he could be "The Man" leading his own team. He ain't leading.
My so-called "Bias" that someone mentioned is based on specific observed behavior during this season, not because I had some opinion about the guy's personality while he was in Cleveland.
Okay. I'm 40. So is my wife, who happens to be a PT. So we'll put that young fan BS right out the door with this.
This close to surgery, the knee could swell during flight. They could put it in a cryocuff. But why risk it and delay rehab just to be at a couple games.
Smart didn't go to away games right after surgery because of the same reason, but wheres the hate on that?
This is about the long game right now. We aren't winning anything. And there is only so much cheering Irving can do at this point to help from the bench. So why risk delays in healing when he can't help much. Let the kids figure it out, take the training wheels off, and let the go. It will help next year big time. Look at Brown this playoff to last play off. Night and Day. Hopefully he comes to play after that bad game 3, that will be a big test, and a good one.
Nothing to see here, Irvings been a good Celtic so far, no reason to call him out for doing the right thing for his body.
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Who gives a rat's blank if Kyrie is at the games?
As long as he shows up when he is healthy, that is all that matters.
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He replaced the best Celtics player ever, he believes the Earth is flat, and now this. Trade him Danny.
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Has Gordon Hayward been on the bench during the playoffs?
I remember hearing on the Rainin' J's Locked On Celtics podcast that Hayward can't stand watching the Celtics from the sidelines - because he wants to be out there rather than on the sidelines (or something along these lines).
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While I think they should be there...... I'm not going to over react.
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Lol are we really saying that because Smart, with a nearly healed HAND injury, is at away games that Kyrie, not close to being healed and out for the season, should too? Haha that's....
Giving Gordon an excuse because you like him though. Are you telling me it would kill Gordon to be at a playoff game and continue rehabbing at another time? He is also out for the season and didn't go to many games and that was before the excuse of going for specific training! (this doesn't matter but it's the same thing being said about Kyrie. Both need to do what's right for them to get back on the court!)
Every knock people have against Kyrie you will find a teammate or coach who says the exact opposite! At this point, it's your bias against him and not reality.
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I'm sure it has everything to do with his knee, I doubt he's taking personal time.
As someone else said quite well, expecting these guys to truly bleed green in the 2018 landscape is idealism.
The purest Celtic I've seen in recent memory was in fact traded for Irving. You can't have it both ways, demand loyalty after shipping out the man who was willing it lay it all down for the team. Kyrie is an upgrade, it was the right move, but IT4 was definitely more from the mold of a bygone era.
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I'm sure it has everything to do with his knee, I doubt he's taking personal time.
As someone else said quite well, expecting these guys to truly bleed green in the 2018 landscape is idealism.
The purest Celtic I've seen in recent memory was in fact traded for Irving. You can't have it both ways, demand loyalty after shipping out the man who was willing it lay it all down for the team. Kyrie is an upgrade, it was the right move, but IT4 was definitely more from the mold of a bygone era.
It's funny because IT never willing to lay his money down, he made Ainge no choice but to trade him
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this whole thread... ::)
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I think it makes sense to have Smart there, he might be back in a game 7 against this team if needed. He needs to be watching and taking mental notes of how he can impact the game. Gordon, Kylie, Theis are all done for the season, and it really doesn't matter if they are there or not.
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Kyrie Irving's absence from games is an insult to the team. Lots of people on here continue to make excuses and give reasons why it is OK. When I read about yet another of his "group text messages" before home game vs Bucks and then our players praising this example of "great leadership" because it helped the young guys know what to expect, I thought how ridiculous and inexcusable that was and what an insult to the team and the Celtics organization that it represented. My opinion.
Marcus Smart cares so much that he travels with the team to Milwaukee to sit on the bench and support his teammates, even though he has no chance to play in Games 3 & 4. Yet Irving can't even make it to the Garden for Game 2 - though I suppose his grand gesture of sitting on the bench for the 1st half of Game 1 was supposed to impress everyone.
Yes, I know Garnett would watch from the locker room, same with Shaq, maybe Bird did sometimes, but they were right there at the game and with their teammates before they took the floor, at halftime and as they came off the floor. Garnett was always on the bench for playoff games, especially in '09 when he couldn't play because of his injury.
I worried about Kyrie Irving's mentality and dedication to his team from Day 1. He hasn't done much to ease my concerns ........................... on another note, I have yet to see the guy fight over the top of a screen all season. As Charlie Scott would say, "Act like a Celtic" !!!!
his injury may not permit him to travel comfortably. It is not easy to fly, wait at the airport, pack bags etc.
Maybe he has pain that comes and goes
we also don't even know if the team is asking him not to travel
it is different than what is going on with Leonard.... who has a so called team advising against team doctors etc
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So much pettiness. Kyrie doesn't owe you anything. You people are too quick to judge without knowing anything, at all, about their circumstances. His teammates are okay with it, his coach, his GM. I for one, prefer the injured players to be at home, or somewhere resting or rehabbing. You mention you've been rebutted tons of times, yet you still come here with the same whining. No one owes you an explanation, and you've continuously shown your bias. We do not need the same thing over and over again.
I disagree with this take..if Kyrie does not owe the fans anything then who does he owe? Who pays his salary? I am surprised he is not at games..he should be since he is drawing a salary to be at work. If he is not there, the team should give the fans an explanation. Fans need to organize and demand respect for their support of these teams.
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Has Gordon Hayward been on the bench during the playoffs?
Hayward is out of town doing specific rehab for his injury.
Not sure if those who excuse Irving are younger fans who have a different set of values than what I have - and what Celtics through franchise history have had - but the team comes first and he is supposed to be the main leader of this team. That is why he said he wanted to leave Cleveland, so he could be "The Man" leading his own team. He ain't leading.
My so-called "Bias" that someone mentioned is based on specific observed behavior during this season, not because I had some opinion about the guy's personality while he was in Cleveland.
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I think guys should be at the games unless there’s a medical reason not to be. I assume the medical staff suggested that Kyrie not travel.
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I think it makes sense to have Smart there, he might be back in a game 7 against this team if needed. He needs to be watching and taking mental notes of how he can impact the game. Gordon, Kylie, Theis are all done for the season, and it really doesn't matter if they are there or not.
game 6 or 5
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Fans might have this idea in their mind that a player is supposed to do this or that, but it doesn't matter what fans think. Literally, the only opinions that matter are those of his coaches and teammates.
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Kyrie Irving's absence from games is an insult to the team. Lots of people on here continue to make excuses and give reasons why it is OK. When I read about yet another of his "group text messages" before home game vs Bucks and then our players praising this example of "great leadership" because it helped the young guys know what to expect, I thought how ridiculous and inexcusable that was and what an insult to the team and the Celtics organization that it represented. My opinion.
Marcus Smart cares so much that he travels with the team to Milwaukee to sit on the bench and support his teammates, even though he has no chance to play in Games 3 & 4. Yet Irving can't even make it to the Garden for Game 2 - though I suppose his grand gesture of sitting on the bench for the 1st half of Game 1 was supposed to impress everyone.
Yes, I know Garnett would watch from the locker room, same with Shaq, maybe Bird did sometimes, but they were right there at the game and with their teammates before they took the floor, at halftime and as they came off the floor. Garnett was always on the bench for playoff games, especially in '09 when he couldn't play because of his injury.
I worried about Kyrie Irving's mentality and dedication to his team from Day 1. He hasn't done much to ease my concerns ........................... on another note, I have yet to see the guy fight over the top of a screen all season. As Charlie Scott would say, "Act like a Celtic" !!!!
Give me a ######g break will you!
Another slow day in the basement?
The Player has a knee injury. Are you a doctor ? Maybe he isn't medically cleared to travel. Maybe he has had a setback cannot travel.
Get a Clue!
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How I would prefer Kyrie spend his time during Celtics playoff games in order:
1. At home resting his knee
2. At the game in a suite
3. With the media talking about the Brinks Truck the Celts better have ready in 2019
4. On the bench
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He just had knee surgery to clear an infection in his knee. Airports and airplanes are full of infectious agents, and traveling is tiring. No need to risk his recovery just to sit on the bench and watch. He can be just as supportive from home via text, twitter, Skype, etc.
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He just had knee surgery to clear an infection in his knee. Airports and airplanes are full of infectious agents, and traveling is tiring. No need to risk his recovery just to sit on the bench and watch. He can be just as supportive from home via text, twitter, Skype, etc.
Yeah, those TSA agents are pretty dirty. I don't trust them at all.
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He just had knee surgery to clear an infection in his knee. Airports and airplanes are full of infectious agents, and traveling is tiring. No need to risk his recovery just to sit on the bench and watch. He can be just as supportive from home via text, twitter, Skype, etc.
Yeah, those TSA agents are pretty dirty. I don't trust them at all.
LOL...Yep! They love to touch everyone too much!
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He just had knee surgery to clear an infection in his knee. Airports and airplanes are full of infectious agents, and traveling is tiring. No need to risk his recovery just to sit on the bench and watch. He can be just as supportive from home via text, twitter, Skype, etc.
Yeah, those TSA agents are pretty dirty. I don't trust them at all.
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None of us know what Kyrie's current condition is, or what he may or may not have been doing to help the team in the background. Let's not pre-judge.
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Has Gordon Hayward been on the bench during the playoffs?
Hayward is out of town doing specific rehab for his injury.
Not sure if those who excuse Irving are younger fans who have a different set of values than what I have - and what Celtics through franchise history have had - but the team comes first and he is supposed to be the main leader of this team. That is why he said he wanted to leave Cleveland, so he could be "The Man" leading his own team. He ain't leading.
My so-called "Bias" that someone mentioned is based on specific observed behavior during this season, not because I had some opinion about the guy's personality while he was in Cleveland.
Okay. I'm 40. So is my wife, who happens to be a PT. So we'll put that young fan BS right out the door with this.
This close to surgery, the knee could swell during flight. They could put it in a cryocuff. But why risk it and delay rehab just to be at a couple games.
Smart didn't go to away games right after surgery because of the same reason, but wheres the hate on that?
This is about the long game right now. We aren't winning anything. And there is only so much cheering Irving can do at this point to help from the bench. So why risk delays in healing when he can't help much. Let the kids figure it out, take the training wheels off, and let the go. It will help next year big time. Look at Brown this playoff to last play off. Night and Day. Hopefully he comes to play after that bad game 3, that will be a big test, and a good one.
Nothing to see here, Irvings been a good Celtic so far, no reason to call him out for doing the right thing for his body.
I clearly referenced Home games in my original comment. Away games I understand.
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Has Gordon Hayward been on the bench during the playoffs?
Hayward is out of town doing specific rehab for his injury.
Not sure if those who excuse Irving are younger fans who have a different set of values than what I have - and what Celtics through franchise history have had - but the team comes first and he is supposed to be the main leader of this team. That is why he said he wanted to leave Cleveland, so he could be "The Man" leading his own team. He ain't leading.
My so-called "Bias" that someone mentioned is based on specific observed behavior during this season, not because I had some opinion about the guy's personality while he was in Cleveland.
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Where did you get that video of me ??
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Has Gordon Hayward been on the bench during the playoffs?
Hayward is out of town doing specific rehab for his injury.
Not sure if those who excuse Irving are younger fans who have a different set of values than what I have - and what Celtics through franchise history have had - but the team comes first and he is supposed to be the main leader of this team. That is why he said he wanted to leave Cleveland, so he could be "The Man" leading his own team. He ain't leading.
My so-called "Bias" that someone mentioned is based on specific observed behavior during this season, not because I had some opinion about the guy's personality while he was in Cleveland.
Okay. I'm 40. So is my wife, who happens to be a PT. So we'll put that young fan BS right out the door with this.
This close to surgery, the knee could swell during flight. They could put it in a cryocuff. But why risk it and delay rehab just to be at a couple games.
Smart didn't go to away games right after surgery because of the same reason, but wheres the hate on that?
This is about the long game right now. We aren't winning anything. And there is only so much cheering Irving can do at this point to help from the bench. So why risk delays in healing when he can't help much. Let the kids figure it out, take the training wheels off, and let the go. It will help next year big time. Look at Brown this playoff to last play off. Night and Day. Hopefully he comes to play after that bad game 3, that will be a big test, and a good one.
Nothing to see here, Irvings been a good Celtic so far, no reason to call him out for doing the right thing for his body.
I clearly referenced Home games in my original comment. Away games I understand.
But he's been at home games....
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So much pettiness. Kyrie doesn't owe you anything. You people are too quick to judge without knowing anything, at all, about their circumstances. His teammates are okay with it, his coach, his GM. I for one, prefer the injured players to be at home, or somewhere resting or rehabbing. You mention you've been rebutted tons of times, yet you still come here with the same whining. No one owes you an explanation, and you've continuously shown your bias. We do not need the same thing over and over again.
I disagree with this take..if Kyrie does not owe the fans anything then who does he owe? Who pays his salary? I am surprised he is not at games..he should be since he is drawing a salary to be at work. If he is not there, the team should give the fans an explanation. Fans need to organize and demand respect for their support of these teams.
Not you for sure! What an entitled FAN. He is injured. Do you claim to have inside knowledge on how his rehab is going? Do you know how he is feeling? You don't!
You are not the one paying them, you are paying the Celtics organization to give you a good product. How to get that product is up to them, not up to you! If you don't believe in what they are doing, there are dozens of other teams you can choose from.
You are just like that because it is not your mind and body.
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So much pettiness. Kyrie doesn't owe you anything. You people are too quick to judge without knowing anything, at all, about their circumstances. His teammates are okay with it, his coach, his GM. I for one, prefer the injured players to be at home, or somewhere resting or rehabbing. You mention you've been rebutted tons of times, yet you still come here with the same whining. No one owes you an explanation, and you've continuously shown your bias. We do not need the same thing over and over again.
I disagree with this take..if Kyrie does not owe the fans anything then who does he owe? Who pays his salary? I am surprised he is not at games..he should be since he is drawing a salary to be at work. If he is not there, the team should give the fans an explanation. Fans need to organize and demand respect for their support of these teams.
I don't know what travel restrictions there are medically, so that aside, I agree with you and the OP. He owes it to his team to be present and supportive. After all, they're the ones covering his ass on the defensive end.
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This is just speculation but Kyrie is not traveling with the team because he just had knee surgery and can’t fly due to the risk of blood clots.
I’m a doctor, this is a real thing. Change in cabin pressure could cause Kyrie to throw a clot. I don’t think he can get on a plane for 6 weeks postop.
TP ....from my better half.
tell the wife i said hi!