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Title: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 18, 2017, 08:49:10 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21069204/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-says-gordon-hayward-need-surgery

Bartelstein told ESPN's Jackie MacMullan the surgery will involve "a bunch of different things,'' including inserting a plate and screws to stabilize Hayward's ankle and tibia.

It is too soon, Bartelstein said, to put a timetable on Hayward's recovery.

"We'll have a better idea after the surgery,'' Bartelstein said.

Dr. Mark Slovenkai, chief of foot and ankle surgery for New England Baptist and Dr. Brian McKeon, the Celtics team physician, will perform the surgery.


"I was [at the hospital] for a minute last night and also again today for an hour or so. He's down," Stevens said. "Obviously, there's a physical pain to it, but I think it's also doubled by the emotional pain of, you know, he put a lot of effort into trying to start this, his career, out well in Boston



Update- Robyn says it went well
https://imgur.com/a/1kozQ
Title: Re: Hayward surgery is tonight. Recovery Timetable still unknown until after surgery
Post by: j804 on October 18, 2017, 08:54:48 PM
Involve a bunch of different things? Hmm that doesn’t sound good
Title: Re: Hayward surgery is tonight. Recovery Timetable still unknown until after surgery
Post by: celticslove on October 18, 2017, 10:36:15 PM
he's in surgery now. hoping for a successful one. get well soon Gordo!

https://twitter.com/GScottHayward/status/920823807979474944
Title: Re: Hayward surgery is tonight. Recovery Timetable still unknown until after surgery
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 10:51:28 PM
he's in surgery now. hoping for a successful one. get well soon Gordo!

https://twitter.com/GScottHayward/status/920823807979474944

I'll be wishing him well as well!
Title: Re: Hayward surgery is tonight. Recovery Timetable still unknown until after surgery
Post by: Snakehead on October 18, 2017, 10:53:30 PM
Hoping for the best.  They keep saying clean break and that is very fortunate given how it looked.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery is tonight. Recovery Timetable still unknown until after surgery
Post by: liam on October 18, 2017, 10:54:28 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/21069204/boston-celtics-coach-brad-stevens-says-gordon-hayward-need-surgery
Title: Re: Hayward surgery is tonight. Recovery Timetable still unknown until after surgery
Post by: RJ87 on October 18, 2017, 11:01:36 PM
Involve a bunch of different things? Hmm that doesn’t sound good

Not surprising considering the placement.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 12:41:49 AM
https://imgur.com/a/1kozQ

Robyn says the Surgery went we
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 02:15:41 AM
Mike lynch saying best case is march. https://mobile.twitter.com/lynchiewcvb/status/920850943574532096
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown
Post by: tarheelsxxiii on October 19, 2017, 02:17:34 AM
https://imgur.com/a/1kozQ

Robyn says the Surgery went we

In my view, Robyn was the best acquisition of the offseason.  100% serious.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: iadera on October 19, 2017, 02:26:22 AM
Guys, he's done for the season, stop rushing things. He needs full recovery, phisicaly and mentaly. Let's move on. Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Neurotic Guy on October 19, 2017, 05:41:26 AM
Guys, he's done for the season, stop rushing things. He needs full recovery, phisicaly and mentaly. Let's move on. Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Since orthopedic surgeons have stated that a March return is possible, it makes sense that fans might actually think that a March return is possible.  I think all of us who choose to be hopeful about a '17-'18 return will be OK if it turns out otherwise.   
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: iadera on October 19, 2017, 05:51:28 AM
Guys, he's done for the season, stop rushing things. He needs full recovery, phisicaly and mentaly. Let's move on. Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Since orthopedic surgeons have stated that a March return is possible, it makes sense that fans might actually think that a March return is possible.  I think all of us who choose to be hopeful about a '17-'18 return will be OK if it turns out otherwise.

No, they haven't. At least we don't know they did. We just read different knews from different journalists. We have no official postoperative statement from any surgeont. Players were lost for the season with smaller injuries than this. I appriciate your hopes but it's more realistic we see GH ready for next October.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 19, 2017, 06:42:55 AM
The body can heal before the mind with an injury like that.   
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: PAOBoston on October 19, 2017, 07:13:50 AM
Honestly, there's no real reason to being him back this season after that injury. Even if he comes back best case, you still have to get him back in game shape and incorporated into a unit that will have played together the entire season. Let him heal and get ready for training camp next summer.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Eddie20 on October 19, 2017, 07:26:19 AM
Interesting comments to me from Ex-NBA player/Celtics forward Shavlik Randolph, who had similar injury to Gordon Hayward. "It's about a 4-6 month recovery. The ligaments take 6-8 weeks and the tibia was about three months to heal in all the places it broke. Ironically, I had the same injury and as bad as it looks it does heal back to 100 percent and does so surprisingly fast. I think there's a chance he could be back this season if he really pushed it. The team will be cautious to bring him back too fast, but I think he could by the end of the season. Maybe not back to full 100 percent by then, but I wouldn't be shocked if he can and does play."


Jeff Goodman, ESPN Insider
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: gouki88 on October 19, 2017, 07:37:01 AM
Interesting comments to me from Ex-NBA player/Celtics forward Shavlik Randolph, who had similar injury to Gordon Hayward. "It's about a 4-6 month recovery. The ligaments take 6-8 weeks and the tibia was about three months to heal in all the places it broke. Ironically, I had the same injury and as bad as it looks it does heal back to 100 percent and does so surprisingly fast. I think there's a chance he could be back this season if he really pushed it. The team will be cautious to bring him back too fast, but I think he could by the end of the season. Maybe not back to full 100 percent by then, but I wouldn't be shocked if he can and does play."


Jeff Goodman, ESPN Insider
Seeing him return would be pretty insane (in a good way)

I definitely don't see us rushing him back, but if he came back in April it would be awesome. The crowd reaction at the Garden would be next level
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Big333223 on October 19, 2017, 07:40:08 AM
Interesting comments to me from Ex-NBA player/Celtics forward Shavlik Randolph, who had similar injury to Gordon Hayward. "It's about a 4-6 month recovery. The ligaments take 6-8 weeks and the tibia was about three months to heal in all the places it broke. Ironically, I had the same injury and as bad as it looks it does heal back to 100 percent and does so surprisingly fast. I think there's a chance he could be back this season if he really pushed it. The team will be cautious to bring him back too fast, but I think he could by the end of the season. Maybe not back to full 100 percent by then, but I wouldn't be shocked if he can and does play."


Jeff Goodman, ESPN Insider
Well that's encouraging. Everyone is different so I don't know that this means Hayward's experience will be exactly the same but it's encouraging nonetheless.

Depending on where the team is in March/April, it might be worth having Hayward come in for a few minutes a game and get his sealegs back so he can hit the ground running next year. But the most important thing is that he's not rushed back to the floor.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: hpantazo on October 19, 2017, 08:42:15 AM
From Mike Lynch:

"New information on Hayward surgery. As good as doctors could hope. Clean break, no ligament damage. Prognosis is good. Best case? March"


https://mobile.twitter.com/lynchiewcvb/status/920850943574532096

All things considered, that's great news, no ligament damage.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: chambers on October 19, 2017, 08:45:20 AM
Give him the year off. Let the young pups try and make the playoffs and get them to the 2nd round and perhaps the ECF against Cleveland.

Let him come back next season stronger than ever.

Just no need to rush when the Warriors are around and just so good.

Seriously doubt he'll be in decent game shape by March. That's an ultra best case scenario if we're being honest.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: jbpats on October 19, 2017, 09:18:26 AM
Stevens treats Gordon like a son, he's going to tread lightly with this injury and treat him with the utmost caution. We won't see him back this year unless we beat all odds and have a deep playoff run. Then we might see him come off the bench in moderation.

Reality is, this season is a lost cause, Stevens and management won't rush him back. Gordon won't be on the court until next year.

Update - colleague just mentioned that Haywards agent said he is not coming back this year. Probably to set a realistic expectation to the fans.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 11:37:35 AM
Stevens treats Gordon like a son, he's going to tread lightly with this injury and treat him with the utmost caution. We won't see him back this year unless we beat all odds and have a deep playoff run. Then we might see him come off the bench in moderation.

Reality is, this season is a lost cause, Stevens and management won't rush him back. Gordon won't be on the court until next year.

Update - colleague just mentioned that Haywards agent said he is not coming back this year. Probably to set a realistic expectation to the fans.
agent didn't say that
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Eddie20 on October 19, 2017, 11:39:59 AM
Stevens treats Gordon like a son, he's going to tread lightly with this injury and treat him with the utmost caution. We won't see him back this year unless we beat all odds and have a deep playoff run. Then we might see him come off the bench in moderation.

Reality is, this season is a lost cause, Stevens and management won't rush him back. Gordon won't be on the court until next year.

Update - colleague just mentioned that Haywards agent said he is not coming back this year. Probably to set a realistic expectation to the fans.

You need to stop listening to your colleague and then update the update.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Ogaju on October 19, 2017, 11:47:06 AM
Guys .. best decision is to shut him down for the season. Geeze some of you guys have more concern for your cars than the players. Let him heal and get stronger. He is a prized player so treat him as such. You do not want a RJIII situation here.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: RIPRED on October 19, 2017, 12:01:25 PM
Guys .. best decision is to shut him down for the season. Geeze some of you guys have more concern for your cars than the players. Let him heal and get stronger. He is a prized player so treat him as such. You do not want a RJIII situation here.

He should come back when he is fully healed and ready. If that's this season, great. If it's next season, great.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: jbpats on October 19, 2017, 12:11:00 PM
Stevens treats Gordon like a son, he's going to tread lightly with this injury and treat him with the utmost caution. We won't see him back this year unless we beat all odds and have a deep playoff run. Then we might see him come off the bench in moderation.

Reality is, this season is a lost cause, Stevens and management won't rush him back. Gordon won't be on the court until next year.

Update - colleague just mentioned that Haywards agent said he is not coming back this year. Probably to set a realistic expectation to the fans.

You need to stop listening to your colleague and then update the update.

He was right based on the woj bomb.. so why the animosity?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Kuberski33 on October 19, 2017, 12:15:28 PM
Agent said it's 'doubtful' that he returns this season.  Even if he does, he hasn't had any significant time getting used to playing with these guys - and their system will be much more advanced by March/April.  So even if he comes back, it won't be as a major contributor. 
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: rondohondo on October 19, 2017, 12:20:50 PM
Weei was reporting it's a broken fibula,  of a tibia .

Does this change the recovery timeline?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Eddie20 on October 19, 2017, 01:07:17 PM
Stevens treats Gordon like a son, he's going to tread lightly with this injury and treat him with the utmost caution. We won't see him back this year unless we beat all odds and have a deep playoff run. Then we might see him come off the bench in moderation.

Reality is, this season is a lost cause, Stevens and management won't rush him back. Gordon won't be on the court until next year.

Update - colleague just mentioned that Haywards agent said he is not coming back this year. Probably to set a realistic expectation to the fans.

You need to stop listening to your colleague and then update the update.

He was right based on the woj bomb.. so why the animosity?

No, he wasn't. The word the agent used was "unlikely". Your friend used the word "not". One has a chance of happening, albeit slim, the other has none. There is a difference.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 19, 2017, 01:08:19 PM
I see no way Danny and the FO put him on the court till next season.  He just avoided a career ending injury . 

Im just counting it good he can spend this summer getting up to,speed and go into training camp 100 ready to go for next year.

He is not the type to sit still . 
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Erik on October 19, 2017, 01:13:56 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 03:48:41 PM
Stevens treats Gordon like a son, he's going to tread lightly with this injury and treat him with the utmost caution. We won't see him back this year unless we beat all odds and have a deep playoff run. Then we might see him come off the bench in moderation.

Reality is, this season is a lost cause, Stevens and management won't rush him back. Gordon won't be on the court until next year.

Update - colleague just mentioned that Haywards agent said he is not coming back this year. Probably to set a realistic expectation to the fans.

You need to stop listening to your colleague and then update the update.

He was right based on the woj bomb.. so why the animosity?

No, he wasn't. The word the agent used was "unlikely". Your friend used the word "not". One has a chance of happening, albeit slim, the other has none. There is a difference.
exactly. Jeremy lin was straight up announced he's not coming back, whereas Gordon is given the "unlikely" so far with recovery timetables not really announced yet. Gordon just has a broken tibia bone. Its Serious but the recovery isn't as long as other type of injuries

I read some doctor opinions saying they wouldn't be surprised to see him back sooner than most think
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: DavorCroatiaFan on October 19, 2017, 04:11:49 PM
I believe Gordon will be back by end of March. Right now, he need peace and no distractions. We'll be fine. When Morris returns we will be very dangerous. With Cavs coasting...when Kyrie shifts to new gear i believe we could even be first seed...and bring back Gordon...use last 10 games of regular season to prepare him for playoff...probably wouldn't need him playing big minutes in first round...and hoping he will be at 90% for ECSF with Wizards or Raptors
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 19, 2017, 04:29:35 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on October 19, 2017, 04:44:50 PM
Just take your TIME and get WELL, Haymaker.

I remember vividly the KG threads on here when he injured his knee on that fateful trip to Utah in the 2008-09 season.

I'm certain that we had CHI (and ORL) on edge with the numerous rumors/guesses/conspiracies) about KG's rumored return.

I have no doubt that even the THOUGHT of KG coming back that season probably gave us a win or two in those playoffs.

I just want to see Gordon sit on the sidelines in his cool suits and do THIS

(http://waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/KGTaunting.jpg)

lol I don't think Gordon is wired like KG but it will be awesome to see Hayward get well and get back to us.

Just take your time young fella. Championships are a JOURNEY not a sprint.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: j804 on October 19, 2017, 05:05:55 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Ilikesports17 on October 19, 2017, 05:21:16 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
yeah. This is fair.

I am excited to watch the kids grow. Tatum and Brown will be relied on for major contributions which is exciting, but this really knocks us 2 years backwards. Not a real threat to Cleveland and just gunning to win a playoff series or 2.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: j804 on October 19, 2017, 05:29:32 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
yeah. This is fair.

I am excited to watch the kids grow. Tatum and Brown will be relied on for major contributions which is exciting, but this really knocks us 2 years backwards. Not a real threat to Cleveland and just gunning to win a playoff series or 2.
What I’m scared of is what if Gordons never the same? What if he comes back next year and chemistry and things don’t go as planned with him and Kyrie, and Kyrie walks? They’ll only have one year together now before Kyries contracts up. This was a huge blow all around.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 06:54:23 PM
Last night Gordon Hayward underwent successful bony and ligamentous stabilization surgery on his left ankle.
https://mobile.twitter.com/celtics/status/921097373031510017
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 19, 2017, 06:56:19 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
yeah. This is fair.

I am excited to watch the kids grow. Tatum and Brown will be relied on for major contributions which is exciting, but this really knocks us 2 years backwards. Not a real threat to Cleveland and just gunning to win a playoff series or 2.
What I’m scared of is what if Gordons never the same? What if he comes back next year and chemistry and things don’t go as planned with him and Kyrie, and Kyrie walks? They’ll only have one year together now before Kyries contracts up. This was a huge blow all around.

yup.....whole year of our stars contract down the hole.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 19, 2017, 07:04:28 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
yeah. This is fair.

I am excited to watch the kids grow. Tatum and Brown will be relied on for major contributions which is exciting, but this really knocks us 2 years backwards. Not a real threat to Cleveland and just gunning to win a playoff series or 2.
What I’m scared of is what if Gordons never the same? What if he comes back next year and chemistry and things don’t go as planned with him and Kyrie, and Kyrie walks? They’ll only have one year together now before Kyries contracts up. This was a huge blow all around.

yup.....whole year of our stars contract down the hole.

Gordon Hayward is a star? Like one of those dim ones that is really hard to see? How many stars are there in the NBA? 30+?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: chilidawg on October 19, 2017, 07:11:36 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
yeah. This is fair.

I am excited to watch the kids grow. Tatum and Brown will be relied on for major contributions which is exciting, but this really knocks us 2 years backwards. Not a real threat to Cleveland and just gunning to win a playoff series or 2.
What I’m scared of is what if Gordons never the same? What if he comes back next year and chemistry and things don’t go as planned with him and Kyrie, and Kyrie walks? They’ll only have one year together now before Kyries contracts up. This was a huge blow all around.

Oh my god, it's so scary.  What if we get hit by an asteroid?  That'd be really scary.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 07:13:47 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
yeah. This is fair.

I am excited to watch the kids grow. Tatum and Brown will be relied on for major contributions which is exciting, but this really knocks us 2 years backwards. Not a real threat to Cleveland and just gunning to win a playoff series or 2.
What I’m scared of is what if Gordons never the same? What if he comes back next year and chemistry and things don’t go as planned with him and Kyrie, and Kyrie walks? They’ll only have one year together now before Kyries contracts up. This was a huge blow all around.

yup.....whole year of our stars contract down the hole.

Gordon Hayward is a star? Like one of those dim ones that is really hard to see? How many stars are there in the NBA? 30+?
are you serious or joking? He’s a top 15-20 player in the league
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 19, 2017, 07:15:08 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
yeah. This is fair.

I am excited to watch the kids grow. Tatum and Brown will be relied on for major contributions which is exciting, but this really knocks us 2 years backwards. Not a real threat to Cleveland and just gunning to win a playoff series or 2.
What I’m scared of is what if Gordons never the same? What if he comes back next year and chemistry and things don’t go as planned with him and Kyrie, and Kyrie walks? They’ll only have one year together now before Kyries contracts up. This was a huge blow all around.

Oh my god, it's so scary.  What if we get hit by an asteroid?  That'd be really scary.

haha TP.

What if my wife leaves me for the milkman?
What if the Jets win the AFC East?
What if Wyc sells the team to Seattle?
What if Gordon Hayward never plays a game for the Celtics?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 19, 2017, 07:23:41 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
yeah. This is fair.

I am excited to watch the kids grow. Tatum and Brown will be relied on for major contributions which is exciting, but this really knocks us 2 years backwards. Not a real threat to Cleveland and just gunning to win a playoff series or 2.
What I’m scared of is what if Gordons never the same? What if he comes back next year and chemistry and things don’t go as planned with him and Kyrie, and Kyrie walks? They’ll only have one year together now before Kyries contracts up. This was a huge blow all around.

yup.....whole year of our stars contract down the hole.

Gordon Hayward is a star? Like one of those dim ones that is really hard to see? How many stars are there in the NBA? 30+?
are you serious or joking? He’s a top 15-20 player in the league

Joking. Kinda. I think he's a good/not great player. Prob. top 25, in my eyes. ESPN put him at 20. On their list, I would take the following lower ranked players over him: Porzingis, Griffin, Kyrie, Millsap, Marc Gasol, IT, Whiteside. I know this is very debatable, so I'll give you top 20.

I know it is easier to get an All Star appearance here or there, but I wouldn't call Hayward a star. I'll leave that designation for All NBA players (top 15), and superstars are top 5 in the league, in my book.

I think that Gordon is good at mostly everything, but not great at anything. According to my eyes, I think Kyrie is our only star, and Tatum/Brown have a chance to become future stars.

Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Sketch5 on October 19, 2017, 08:07:40 PM
Guys, he's done for the season, stop rushing things. He needs full recovery, phisicaly and mentaly. Let's move on. Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Since orthopedic surgeons have stated that a March return is possible, it makes sense that fans might actually think that a March return is possible.  I think all of us who choose to be hopeful about a '17-'18 return will be OK if it turns out otherwise.

No, they haven't. At least we don't know they did. We just read different knews from different journalists. We have no official postoperative statement from any surgeont. Players were lost for the season with smaller injuries than this. I appriciate your hopes but it's more realistic we see GH ready for next October.

Two doctors chimed in with in an hour of the injury stating this. One called into the after show and said as long as its clean, and nothing it torn, he could be back with int 3 to 4 months, depending on how fast he heals, and rehab. Bone should be healed in 6 to 8 weeks, so thats an other 8 weeks of rehab.

And a couple said the same thing the next day. Now it could be the season, all depends. I really think if he's 100% he should no start for the rest of the season, and come off the bench starting at 10min and go from there. More for mind than body, that way he's not worrying about having to put up numbers, and doesn't have to try to mesh with the starting unit again.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 19, 2017, 08:12:05 PM
Guys, he's done for the season, stop rushing things. He needs full recovery, phisicaly and mentaly. Let's move on. Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Since orthopedic surgeons have stated that a March return is possible, it makes sense that fans might actually think that a March return is possible.  I think all of us who choose to be hopeful about a '17-'18 return will be OK if it turns out otherwise.

No, they haven't. At least we don't know they did. We just read different knews from different journalists. We have no official postoperative statement from any surgeont. Players were lost for the season with smaller injuries than this. I appriciate your hopes but it's more realistic we see GH ready for next October.

Two doctors chimed in with in an hour of the injury stating this. One called into the after show and said as long as its clean, and nothing it torn, he could be back with int 3 to 4 months, depending on how fast he heals, and rehab. Bone should be healed in 6 to 8 weeks, so thats an other 8 weeks of rehab.

And a couple said the same thing the next day. Now it could be the season, all depends. I really think if he's 100% he should no start for the rest of the season, and come off the bench starting at 10min and go from there. More for mind than body, that way he's not worrying about having to put up numbers, and doesn't have to try to mesh with the starting unit again.

Let's go with your thought that he will be ready to play this year.... what will make him 100% this year? Let's assume that he has the ability to heal faster than the average person. Wouldn't he still be relatively out of shape after sitting for many months?

Even if he is able to come back for the playoffs and play 10mpg- do you think that those will be impactful minutes? Isn't it safe to assume that he won't be a game changer for the Celtics this year?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 08:14:52 PM
Guys, he's done for the season, stop rushing things. He needs full recovery, phisicaly and mentaly. Let's move on. Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Since orthopedic surgeons have stated that a March return is possible, it makes sense that fans might actually think that a March return is possible.  I think all of us who choose to be hopeful about a '17-'18 return will be OK if it turns out otherwise.

No, they haven't. At least we don't know they did. We just read different knews from different journalists. We have no official postoperative statement from any surgeont. Players were lost for the season with smaller injuries than this. I appriciate your hopes but it's more realistic we see GH ready for next October.

Two doctors chimed in with in an hour of the injury stating this. One called into the after show and said as long as its clean, and nothing it torn, he could be back with int 3 to 4 months, depending on how fast he heals, and rehab. Bone should be healed in 6 to 8 weeks, so thats an other 8 weeks of rehab.

And a couple said the same thing the next day. Now it could be the season, all depends. I really think if he's 100% he should no start for the rest of the season, and come off the bench starting at 10min and go from there. More for mind than body, that way he's not worrying about having to put up numbers, and doesn't have to try to mesh with the starting unit again.

Let's go with your thought that he will be ready to play this year.... what will make him 100% this year? Let's assume that he has the ability to heal faster than the average person. Wouldn't he still be relatively out of shape after sitting for many months?

Even if he is able to come back for the playoffs and play 10mpg- do you think that those will be impactful minutes? Isn't it safe to assume that he won't be a game changer for the Celtics this year?
why wouldn't he be impactful? He will only see the floor if he's back to normal. If he isn't fully acclimated to the game, a 70% Hayward is still better than our entire bench so yes impactfuk
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 19, 2017, 08:23:07 PM
Guys, he's done for the season, stop rushing things. He needs full recovery, phisicaly and mentaly. Let's move on. Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Since orthopedic surgeons have stated that a March return is possible, it makes sense that fans might actually think that a March return is possible.  I think all of us who choose to be hopeful about a '17-'18 return will be OK if it turns out otherwise.

No, they haven't. At least we don't know they did. We just read different knews from different journalists. We have no official postoperative statement from any surgeont. Players were lost for the season with smaller injuries than this. I appriciate your hopes but it's more realistic we see GH ready for next October.

Two doctors chimed in with in an hour of the injury stating this. One called into the after show and said as long as its clean, and nothing it torn, he could be back with int 3 to 4 months, depending on how fast he heals, and rehab. Bone should be healed in 6 to 8 weeks, so thats an other 8 weeks of rehab.

And a couple said the same thing the next day. Now it could be the season, all depends. I really think if he's 100% he should no start for the rest of the season, and come off the bench starting at 10min and go from there. More for mind than body, that way he's not worrying about having to put up numbers, and doesn't have to try to mesh with the starting unit again.

Let's go with your thought that he will be ready to play this year.... what will make him 100% this year? Let's assume that he has the ability to heal faster than the average person. Wouldn't he still be relatively out of shape after sitting for many months?

Even if he is able to come back for the playoffs and play 10mpg- do you think that those will be impactful minutes? Isn't it safe to assume that he won't be a game changer for the Celtics this year?
why wouldn't he be impactful? He will only see the floor if he's back to normal. If he isn't fully acclimated to the game, a 70% Hayward is still better than our entire bench so yes impactfuk

According to you, he won't see the floor if he's 70%....

if he's on the bench, what will his impact be?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: mctyson on October 19, 2017, 08:28:25 PM
While I do not think he will be back this season, I disagree with everyone who says that if he CAN return that he SHOULD NOT return.

If he is 100% physically healthy and can play his normal game, he should absolutely play this season.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: playdream on October 19, 2017, 08:43:49 PM
It all depends on his doctor and medical staff, that is if they bring it all right he has very high possibility to play 100% or near 100% this season
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 08:51:03 PM
While I do not think he will be back this season, I disagree with everyone who says that if he CAN return that he SHOULD NOT return.

If he is 100% physically healthy and can play his normal game, he should absolutely play this season.
exactly. If he can play, he should. He will need reps to get back into the groove of playing. The more reps he can get the better
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 19, 2017, 09:25:21 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Trags/status/921116739831779328

League source: No joint damage is key reason those close to Gordon Hayward feel optimistic for full (relatively fast) recovery
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: SparzWizard on October 19, 2017, 09:32:56 PM
While I do not think he will be back this season, I disagree with everyone who says that if he CAN return that he SHOULD NOT return.

If he is 100% physically healthy and can play his normal game, he should absolutely play this season.

Exactly. Play it like 2010. Hold the #4 seed and start winning games on the road in the playoffs with everyone healthy. The Celtics can challenge and beat the Cavaliers in Quicken Loans Arena. They were 3 points shy of winning that game without Morris and Hayward.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Sketch5 on October 19, 2017, 09:41:35 PM
Guys, he's done for the season, stop rushing things. He needs full recovery, phisicaly and mentaly. Let's move on. Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Since orthopedic surgeons have stated that a March return is possible, it makes sense that fans might actually think that a March return is possible.  I think all of us who choose to be hopeful about a '17-'18 return will be OK if it turns out otherwise.

No, they haven't. At least we don't know they did. We just read different knews from different journalists. We have no official postoperative statement from any surgeont. Players were lost for the season with smaller injuries than this. I appriciate your hopes but it's more realistic we see GH ready for next October.

Two doctors chimed in with in an hour of the injury stating this. One called into the after show and said as long as its clean, and nothing it torn, he could be back with int 3 to 4 months, depending on how fast he heals, and rehab. Bone should be healed in 6 to 8 weeks, so thats an other 8 weeks of rehab.

And a couple said the same thing the next day. Now it could be the season, all depends. I really think if he's 100% he should no start for the rest of the season, and come off the bench starting at 10min and go from there. More for mind than body, that way he's not worrying about having to put up numbers, and doesn't have to try to mesh with the starting unit again.

Let's go with your thought that he will be ready to play this year.... what will make him 100% this year? Let's assume that he has the ability to heal faster than the average person. Wouldn't he still be relatively out of shape after sitting for many months?

Even if he is able to come back for the playoffs and play 10mpg- do you think that those will be impactful minutes? Isn't it safe to assume that he won't be a game changer for the Celtics this year?
why wouldn't he be impactful? He will only see the floor if he's back to normal. If he isn't fully acclimated to the game, a 70% Hayward is still better than our entire bench so yes impactfuk

According to you, he won't see the floor if he's 70%....

if he's on the bench, what will his impact be?

100% healed and okayed by the med staff that he's ready for full contact. He might even be more healthy at that point then some of the players that haven't gone down with serious injuries.

Coming off the bench would be huge for both parties. He wouldn't have to guard guys like Lebron, so it's easier on his body, he can ease into things and they can work him back into shape. He dosen't disrupts anything with the starting unit, and if his head isn't into it, pull him back.

But now reading about the disable player exception, I'm wondering if we shouldn't if we can get the right player. They were talking about Noel could be had for it. If DA and ownership is willing to pay up what he may want next season, this would be more beneficial long term. You get a guy similar to Baynes in that he's a rebounding defensive machine, younger, and an other big body with out giving up a player.

 
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: hwangjini_1 on October 19, 2017, 09:44:35 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.
Yup it’s tough just the thought of what could have been. They looked amazing in the preseason together with GH. I felt like before he went down we were gonna win the Cavs game you just felt a run coming. Now it’s just going to be ugly, lots of close gritty games, mistakes by all the youngins and we’re gonna lose in heartbreak fashion. 6-8 seed most likely. All the excitement of the Kyrie trade is down the drain. He’s gonna be doubled and tripled. Al is gonna be forced to do more than he’s capable of. Same for the young guys. Gonna be real bad.
yeah. This is fair.

I am excited to watch the kids grow. Tatum and Brown will be relied on for major contributions which is exciting, but this really knocks us 2 years backwards. Not a real threat to Cleveland and just gunning to win a playoff series or 2.
What I’m scared of is what if Gordons never the same? What if he comes back next year and chemistry and things don’t go as planned with him and Kyrie, and Kyrie walks? They’ll only have one year together now before Kyries contracts up. This was a huge blow all around.

Oh my god, it's so scary.  What if we get hit by an asteroid?  That'd be really scary.

haha TP.

What if my wife leaves me for the milkman?
What if the Jets win the AFC East?
What if Wyc sells the team to Seattle?
What if Gordon Hayward never plays a game for the Celtics?
she will.
they wont.
he wont.
he will.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: playdream on October 19, 2017, 09:57:07 PM

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100% healed and okayed by the med staff that he's ready for full contact. He might even be more healthy at that point then some of the players that haven't gone down with serious injuries.

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This is a big point, 3 months of rest won't affect his condition too much and the strained ligament and bone should be full recovered, that means with 2 full months rehab an 1 month practice with the team he should be ready to go
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Roy H. on October 19, 2017, 10:22:01 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Trags/status/921116739831779328

League source: No joint damage is key reason those close to Gordon Hayward feel optimistic for full (relatively fast) recovery

What is meant by no joint damage?

Maybe I'm being obtuse, but isn't the ankle a joint? And it's damaged?

Does it mean the dislocation of the ankle was relatively minor, separate and apart from the broken tibia?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Bobshot on October 19, 2017, 10:35:03 PM
I'll say again that ankle dislocations look a lot more grotesque and serious than they actually are. They can be popped back in place in a minute (as they did with Hayward in the locker room).

The break is more serious. They haven't said much about it, except the bone had to be displaced for them to have surgery. The ligaments are OK, so it doesn't look too bad. But Hayward is a basketball player, and it will take a lot longer to get into basketball shape than just walking.

I know the situation since I've had the ankle dislocation and my wife had the break. In the latter case, bone displacement was minor enough so the Doc decided not to operate. The healing worked out fine. In Gordon's case, there apparently was enough displacement so that operating was necessary. I think the 6 month estimate is probably pretty good, and he could make it back for the playoffs.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Bobshot on October 19, 2017, 10:40:44 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Trags/status/921116739831779328

League source: No joint damage is key reason those close to Gordon Hayward feel optimistic for full (relatively fast) recovery

What is meant by no joint damage?

Maybe I'm being obtuse, but isn't the ankle a joint? And it's damaged?

Does it mean the dislocation of the ankle was relatively minor, separate and apart from the broken tibia?

I think they're referring to ligaments/tendons that are tied to the bones.  The dislocation is a 6 week heal. The break/operation adds more time to that. And then there's the rehab to get back to playing.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Sketch5 on October 19, 2017, 10:41:09 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/Trags/status/921116739831779328

League source: No joint damage is key reason those close to Gordon Hayward feel optimistic for full (relatively fast) recovery

What is meant by no joint damage?

Maybe I'm being obtuse, but isn't the ankle a joint? And it's damaged?

Does it mean the dislocation of the ankle was relatively minor, separate and apart from the broken tibia?

Most likely it's no ligament or tendon damage. They're probably stretched to hell, but not torn.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: GreenEnvy on October 19, 2017, 11:13:31 PM
While I do not think he will be back this season, I disagree with everyone who says that if he CAN return that he SHOULD NOT return.

If he is 100% physically healthy and can play his normal game, he should absolutely play this season.

Exactly. Play it like 2010. Hold the #4 seed and start winning games on the road in the playoffs with everyone healthy. The Celtics can challenge and beat the Cavaliers in Quicken Loans Arena. They were 3 points shy of winning that game without Morris and Hayward.

Let’s not get carried away. LeBron is rusty, Isaiah didn’t play, and they are trying to get a lot of new players on the same page like us.

This injury pretty much sealed this season. It is what it is. I hoe he can come back this year, but we have him for two-three more years after this one, let’s not cry over spilt milk. It sucks to see our season pretty much end within 6 minutes of its start, but that appears to be what happened. We still have the Lakers to hope lose every game.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Rondo9 on October 19, 2017, 11:14:35 PM
While I do not think he will be back this season, I disagree with everyone who says that if he CAN return that he SHOULD NOT return.

If he is 100% physically healthy and can play his normal game, he should absolutely play this season.

Exactly. Play it like 2010. Hold the #4 seed and start winning games on the road in the playoffs with everyone healthy. The Celtics can challenge and beat the Cavaliers in Quicken Loans Arena. They were 3 points shy of winning that game without Morris and Hayward.

Let’s not get carried away. LeBron is rusty, Isaiah didn’t play, and they are trying to get a lot of new players on the same page like us.

This injury pretty much sealed this season. It is what it is. I hoe he can come back this year, but we have him for two-three more years after this one, let’s not cry over spilt milk. It sucks to see our season pretty much end within 6 minutes of its start, but that appears to be what happened. We still have the Lakers to hope lose every game.

After 2 games?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: GreenEnvy on October 19, 2017, 11:16:37 PM
While I do not think he will be back this season, I disagree with everyone who says that if he CAN return that he SHOULD NOT return.

If he is 100% physically healthy and can play his normal game, he should absolutely play this season.

Exactly. Play it like 2010. Hold the #4 seed and start winning games on the road in the playoffs with everyone healthy. The Celtics can challenge and beat the Cavaliers in Quicken Loans Arena. They were 3 points shy of winning that game without Morris and Hayward.

Let’s not get carried away. LeBron is rusty, Isaiah didn’t play, and they are trying to get a lot of new players on the same page like us.

This injury pretty much sealed this season. It is what it is. I hoe he can come back this year, but we have him for two-three more years after this one, let’s not cry over spilt milk. It sucks to see our season pretty much end within 6 minutes of its start, but that appears to be what happened. We still have the Lakers to hope lose every game.

After 2 games?

After half a quarter.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Beat LA on October 20, 2017, 01:50:47 AM
https://imgur.com/a/1kozQ

Robyn says the Surgery went we

In my view, Robyn was the best acquisition of the offseason.  100% serious.

Lol, TP :laugh:.

I see no way Danny and the FO put him on the court till next season.  He just avoided a career ending injury .

Im just counting it good he can spend this summer getting up to,speed and go into training camp 100 ready to go for next year.

He is not the type to sit still .

(https://i.imgur.com/Ef3AGjC.gif)

haha TP.

What if my wife leaves me for the milkman?
What if the Jets win the AFC East?
What if Wyc sells the team to Seattle?
What if Gordon Hayward never plays a game for the Celtics?

You have a milkman? 
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Erik on October 20, 2017, 01:02:56 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.

If you mean that your team has to win for you to enjoy the games, that's called a fair weather fan. It used to be a serious insult, but in the LeBron James / Warriors era of "who are you rooting for this year?" I suppose it's acceptable? I've watched every Celtics game that I've been able to since the early 90s. It doesn't matter if it's LeBron or Michael beating them up, it's still fun to watch.

I'm sure I'll inevitably be flamed because the post is inherently alienating a group of people here, but just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: libermaniac on October 20, 2017, 01:07:57 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.

If you mean that your team has to win for you to enjoy the games, that's called a fair weather fan. It used to be a serious insult, but in the LeBron James / Warriors era of "who are you rooting for this year?" I suppose it's acceptable? I've watched every Celtics game that I've been able to since the early 90s. It doesn't matter if it's LeBron or Michael beating them up, it's still fun to watch.

I'm sure I'll inevitably be flamed because the post is inherently alienating a group of people here, but just my 2 cents.
I think everybody is "fair weather" to varying degrees.  I still follow every C's game, but they certainly are MORE enjoyable when they have a serious chance of winning the Eastern conference vs. playing for the 4th seed.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Erik on October 20, 2017, 01:16:04 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.

If you mean that your team has to win for you to enjoy the games, that's called a fair weather fan. It used to be a serious insult, but in the LeBron James / Warriors era of "who are you rooting for this year?" I suppose it's acceptable? I've watched every Celtics game that I've been able to since the early 90s. It doesn't matter if it's LeBron or Michael beating them up, it's still fun to watch.

I'm sure I'll inevitably be flamed because the post is inherently alienating a group of people here, but just my 2 cents.
I think everybody is "fair weather" to varying degrees.  I still follow every C's game, but they certainly are MORE enjoyable when they have a serious chance of winning the Eastern conference vs. playing for the 4th seed.

I'm guessing that a large group of Celtics fans will cease to watch the rest of the games this season. I'd consider those people fair weather fans. I don't consider you a fair weather fan at all. You just prefer the team to win... so do I. That's an obvious and natural fan trait.

Note that fair weather and bandwagon fans are different. A fair weather fan will cease to watch the games and replace the time spent with another hobby. A bandwagon fan will pretend/become a Warriors fan.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: saltlover on October 20, 2017, 01:22:23 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: jpotter33 on October 20, 2017, 01:51:40 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)

Saw this earlier. I thought it seemed like a Freudian slip with how they're pushing the no timeline narrative. My guess is they've been told five months as the timeline, which would put him back before the end of the season, but they're keeping that quiet for now.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: green_bballers13 on October 20, 2017, 01:59:34 PM
Season's gonna be long, too long to watch.

Now that a championship is unlikely 40-1 odds I recommend that you sit back, grab a beer, and enjoy your team's ups and downs without worrying about the score. You'll enjoy the games better. For example, we played like crap last night and I had a blast watching Jaylen Brown's drives, etc.

I guess this is a key difference between the two main groups of Cs fans: some can enjoy the games even when the overall circumstances may be bad, and some can't. I'm among the latter, and I think that's what's giving me trouble in relation to the Hayward injury: I'm not a fan because I like seeing young guys develop, regardless of how the team does; I'm competitive, I want my teams to win, and this team is now in line for a good bit less winning this season. We were primed to start being a real pain in Cleveland's backside, but now we'll likely be little more than a mildly annoying speedbump on their way to another Finals appearance.

If you mean that your team has to win for you to enjoy the games, that's called a fair weather fan. It used to be a serious insult, but in the LeBron James / Warriors era of "who are you rooting for this year?" I suppose it's acceptable? I've watched every Celtics game that I've been able to since the early 90s. It doesn't matter if it's LeBron or Michael beating them up, it's still fun to watch.

I'm sure I'll inevitably be flamed because the post is inherently alienating a group of people here, but just my 2 cents.
I think everybody is "fair weather" to varying degrees.  I still follow every C's game, but they certainly are MORE enjoyable when they have a serious chance of winning the Eastern conference vs. playing for the 4th seed.

I love this site. I do. I like to read posts and debate with legit Celtics fans about basketball related content.

The one thing that I don't really understand or love is to read pessimistic fair weather "fans" pout when something doesn't turn out exactly as they planned.

It is not inconceivable that players will get hurt. Basketball is physical enough that people get hurt. The Celtics had an uphill battle originally, and now their challenge is even bigger. My parents would have disowned me as a child if I wanted to cry every time things didn't go my way. I hopefully will convey what I consider to be mental toughness to my kids one day.

The Celtics aren't going to quit. They are going to continue to try. I think it is time for many to question whether they are actually Celtics fans, or if they prefer offseason movements and basketball "on paper".

There's no reason why this team cannot deliver a superior product. They have multiple players that play with grit, and a strong lineage of hard-nosed basketball.

Let's go Celtics fans, we can be better!
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Erik on October 20, 2017, 02:00:23 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)

Saw this earlier. I thought it seemed like a Freudian slip with how they're pushing the no timeline narrative. My guess is they've been told five months as the timeline, which would put him back before the end of the season, but they're keeping that quiet for now.

That's not how I heard it. Everyone has been saying that an injury of this type has a 5 month recovery time. It doesn't mean that he's NBA ready in 5 months. Brad was just talking about keeping him engaged during the 5 month recovery time before he can start doing it on his own via lifting weights, shooting around, etc.

Anyone that has been injured knows that there is a difference between "I can walk, I can run, I can exercise." and "I can play 5 on 5 basketball." Basketball is one of the most demanding activities that you can do with respect to your legs. That's why they say that you don't get in shape by playing basketball. You get in shape THEN play basketball.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: manl_lui on October 20, 2017, 02:03:35 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)

Saw this earlier. I thought it seemed like a Freudian slip with how they're pushing the no timeline narrative. My guess is they've been told five months as the timeline, which would put him back before the end of the season, but they're keeping that quiet for now.

That's not how I heard it. Everyone has been saying that an injury of this type has a 5 month recovery time. It doesn't mean that he's basketball ready in 5 months. Brad was just talking about keeping him engaged during the 5 month recovery time before he can start doing it on his own via going to the gym, shooting around, etc.

Anyone that has been injured knows that there is a difference between "I can walk, I can run, I can exercise." and "I can play 5 on 5 basketball." Basketball is one of the most demanding activities that you can do with respect to your legs. That's why they say that you don't get in shape by playing basketball. You get in shape THEN play basketball.

i know some are still shaken from the injury (actually i still am), but bballbreakdown had a pretty good interview with another sports physician

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7h9CJxQ83g
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: sahara on October 20, 2017, 03:46:52 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)

Saw this earlier. I thought it seemed like a Freudian slip with how they're pushing the no timeline narrative. My guess is they've been told five months as the timeline, which would put him back before the end of the season, but they're keeping that quiet for now.

That's not how I heard it. Everyone has been saying that an injury of this type has a 5 month recovery time. It doesn't mean that he's NBA ready in 5 months. Brad was just talking about keeping him engaged during the 5 month recovery time before he can start doing it on his own via lifting weights, shooting around, etc.

Anyone that has been injured knows that there is a difference between "I can walk, I can run, I can exercise." and "I can play 5 on 5 basketball." Basketball is one of the most demanding activities that you can do with respect to your legs. That's why they say that you don't get in shape by playing basketball. You get in shape THEN play basketball.

This. I broke my fibula a couple of years ago. I had to wear a cast for 8 weeks and couldn´t put any weight on my ankle for 4 weeks. After that I was allowed to put some weight on it. I was so excited to get the cast finally off after 2 months and I was expeting to be able to go jogging after like a week or so.

When the cast finally came off, I was shocked. I couldn´t move my ankle at all, it had exactly the same movement I had with the cast. Zero muscle. Stiff as a rock.

It took me over 6 months to walk normal.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Pucaccia on October 20, 2017, 03:54:01 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)

Saw this earlier. I thought it seemed like a Freudian slip with how they're pushing the no timeline narrative. My guess is they've been told five months as the timeline, which would put him back before the end of the season, but they're keeping that quiet for now.

That's not how I heard it. Everyone has been saying that an injury of this type has a 5 month recovery time. It doesn't mean that he's NBA ready in 5 months. Brad was just talking about keeping him engaged during the 5 month recovery time before he can start doing it on his own via lifting weights, shooting around, etc.

Anyone that has been injured knows that there is a difference between "I can walk, I can run, I can exercise." and "I can play 5 on 5 basketball." Basketball is one of the most demanding activities that you can do with respect to your legs. That's why they say that you don't get in shape by playing basketball. You get in shape THEN play basketball.

This. I broke my fibula a couple of years ago. I had to wear a cast for 8 weeks and couldn´t put any weight on my ankle for 4 weeks. After that I was allowed to put some weight on it. I was so excited to get the cast finally off after 2 months and I was expeting to be able to go jogging after like a week or so.

When the cast finally came off, I was shocked. I couldn´t move my ankle at all, it had exactly the same movement I had with the cast. Zero muscle. Stiff as a rock.

It took me over 6 months to walk normal.

How long did it take you to feel  confident that you could do everything normal like run or jump? Better yet do you feel confident that you can do everything?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: saltlover on October 20, 2017, 04:01:13 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)

Saw this earlier. I thought it seemed like a Freudian slip with how they're pushing the no timeline narrative. My guess is they've been told five months as the timeline, which would put him back before the end of the season, but they're keeping that quiet for now.

That's not how I heard it. Everyone has been saying that an injury of this type has a 5 month recovery time. It doesn't mean that he's NBA ready in 5 months. Brad was just talking about keeping him engaged during the 5 month recovery time before he can start doing it on his own via lifting weights, shooting around, etc.

Anyone that has been injured knows that there is a difference between "I can walk, I can run, I can exercise." and "I can play 5 on 5 basketball." Basketball is one of the most demanding activities that you can do with respect to your legs. That's why they say that you don't get in shape by playing basketball. You get in shape THEN play basketball.

I mostly agree, but from what I've heard, the "walking, running, exercise" aspect could start at 3-4 months out.  Which means the live basketball drills could start in 5 months.

I heard it as Hayward might be able to get on a court in 5 months, not get into games.  But if he can get onto the court in March, then it's not unreasonable to think he couldn't get into games in April, even if it's just 10-15 minutes off the bench.  I'd rather have an 80% version of Hayward getting the minutes currently going to Ojeleye in April than Semi getting them himself.

Also, I don't necessarily think it's likely that Hayward comes back.  And I'm sure the Celtics will be very careful about announcing an aggressive timetable, when even missing a single recovery milestone might push a return date past the end of the regular season, and thus past a time the Celtics are willing to put Hayward back into games.  But at the same time, I do think they are legitimately hopeful that he will be able to put on a uniform again this season.  If they weren't, I think you'd see them much more quickly looking to get the Disabled Player Exception, since it's 3 games in and their depth is already being significantly tested.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: sahara on October 20, 2017, 04:06:33 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)

Saw this earlier. I thought it seemed like a Freudian slip with how they're pushing the no timeline narrative. My guess is they've been told five months as the timeline, which would put him back before the end of the season, but they're keeping that quiet for now.

That's not how I heard it. Everyone has been saying that an injury of this type has a 5 month recovery time. It doesn't mean that he's NBA ready in 5 months. Brad was just talking about keeping him engaged during the 5 month recovery time before he can start doing it on his own via lifting weights, shooting around, etc.

Anyone that has been injured knows that there is a difference between "I can walk, I can run, I can exercise." and "I can play 5 on 5 basketball." Basketball is one of the most demanding activities that you can do with respect to your legs. That's why they say that you don't get in shape by playing basketball. You get in shape THEN play basketball.

This. I broke my fibula a couple of years ago. I had to wear a cast for 8 weeks and couldn´t put any weight on my ankle for 4 weeks. After that I was allowed to put some weight on it. I was so excited to get the cast finally off after 2 months and I was expeting to be able to go jogging after like a week or so.

When the cast finally came off, I was shocked. I couldn´t move my ankle at all, it had exactly the same movement I had with the cast. Zero muscle. Stiff as a rock.

It took me over 6 months to walk normal.

How long did it take you to feel  confident that you could do everything normal like run or jump? Better yet do you feel confident that you can do everything?

Like 18 months, but all I had for physiotherapy was some advice from the nurse when he took my cast off.

I´m sure Gordon is in better hands  :D
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Pucaccia on October 20, 2017, 04:13:11 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)

Saw this earlier. I thought it seemed like a Freudian slip with how they're pushing the no timeline narrative. My guess is they've been told five months as the timeline, which would put him back before the end of the season, but they're keeping that quiet for now.

That's not how I heard it. Everyone has been saying that an injury of this type has a 5 month recovery time. It doesn't mean that he's NBA ready in 5 months. Brad was just talking about keeping him engaged during the 5 month recovery time before he can start doing it on his own via lifting weights, shooting around, etc.

Anyone that has been injured knows that there is a difference between "I can walk, I can run, I can exercise." and "I can play 5 on 5 basketball." Basketball is one of the most demanding activities that you can do with respect to your legs. That's why they say that you don't get in shape by playing basketball. You get in shape THEN play basketball.

This. I broke my fibula a couple of years ago. I had to wear a cast for 8 weeks and couldn´t put any weight on my ankle for 4 weeks. After that I was allowed to put some weight on it. I was so excited to get the cast finally off after 2 months and I was expeting to be able to go jogging after like a week or so.

When the cast finally came off, I was shocked. I couldn´t move my ankle at all, it had exactly the same movement I had with the cast. Zero muscle. Stiff as a rock.

It took me over 6 months to walk normal.

How long did it take you to feel  confident that you could do everything normal like run or jump? Better yet do you feel confident that you can do everything?

Like 18 months, but all I had for physiotherapy was some advice from the nurse when he took my cast off.

I´m sure Gordon is in better hands  :D
Thanks for the info. I had a feeling it took a long time to feel normal. With all the great medical technology, it should be interesting see how fast GH comes back.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Erik on October 20, 2017, 04:23:59 PM
I had a very similar thing happen to me that had happened to Gordon in adult league. I went for an alley oop dunk and landed off balance onto a straight leg. In my circumstance it was hyperextension with somehow only a minor acl sprain although it swelled to double size. First month was crutches. After that I wore a brace because my knee fibers were so stretched that it was basically jello. It took 5 months for me to continue my work out routine. I started playing easy pickup games at my LA fitness a month ago making it 7 months total. Its a long road and worst thing is to rush it.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Dino Pitino on October 20, 2017, 04:49:59 PM
I had a very similar thing happen to me that had happened to Gordon in adult league. I went for an alley oop dunk and landed off balance onto a straight leg. In my circumstance it was hyperextension with somehow only a minor acl sprain although it swelled to double size. First month was crutches. After that I wore a brace because my knee fibers were so stretched that it was basically jello. It took 5 months for me to continue my work out routine. I started playing easy pickup games at my LA fitness a month ago making it 7 months total. Its a long road and worst thing is to rush it.

Have you alley ooped again?
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Erik on October 20, 2017, 05:04:38 PM
Regaining confidence that you're not going to get injured again is rough. I keep having flashbacks. To your question I'm taking it easy.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: RIPRED on October 20, 2017, 05:16:21 PM
Watch this video.  Brad talks about getting ideas for hit keep Hayward engaged for the next “five months”.

Who knows what will happen, but I think Stevens let his own hopes escape for a second in that interview.

https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906 (https://twitter.com/espnforsberg/status/921394113785851906)

I took this to mean that Hayward would finally be out of the cast and able to shoot/lightly exercise while standing (instead of shooting from a chair) in five months. I highly doubt he'll even be putting weight on it until 4 months out, so playing NBA games in 5 months seems like a massive stretch. With that said, I will be thrilled if I'm wrong and he comes back in March/April. I want it to be true, but it just seems unrealistic in my (non-educated) opinion.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: No Nickname on October 20, 2017, 05:39:23 PM
I broke my tibia and fibula in a skiing accident when I was 15.  Basically my skis got stuck on a mogul, I kept going forward, and my boot was frozen to my ski.  So I broke it right above the ankle where the boot meets the shin.

When I got the cast off six weeks later my leg looked like a toothpick.  My calf muscle had atrophied tremendously and my ankle was so stiff that I couldn't even really move it on my own.  I had to use my hands to move my foot or get it going with some really ginger baby steps.

I tried playing a little half court basketball with friends around the three month mark, but I never drove to the hoop or played anything closely resembling good defense where I went side to side.

Of course I didn't have a boot that could be taken off occasionally to give my ankle some movement like Hayward probably will after a few weeks.  And I didn't get any electro-muscle stimulation.

I'd say the biggest thing to get over was the fear.  You're basically without the use of your most important limb (insert jokes here).  I felt totally helpless in any situation, whether it be something like "my house is on fire, I have to run out of here" to "there's a guy with a gun, I can't run away."  You live in this weird mentality of feeling literally broken.  It's like a trust you have had in your self, your ability to just take a step, is not only gone, but if you tried to do it your leg would snap in two again.  It's a weird mojo on your mind.

I broke my leg on March 15th and it was June 15th before I was goofing around playing 21 with my friends.  I'd say by August my leg was back to 90% and I could run and jump, but I was nervous as hell for the entire next year whenever I did. 

And it took several more years before I went skiing again.  I probably went skiing about 4-5 more times in my entire life and stopped in my early twenties.  I've just decided I don't want to do it any more because I get too much anxiety on the slopes. 
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: TheSundanceKid on October 20, 2017, 06:32:53 PM
No nickname, I pretty much agree with everything you say. The fear is the biggest part to get over. Noone wants to be putting themselves in positions that make themselves feel worse. If Hayward can straighten that out he'll be fine in the long run.

We as fans shouldn't expect him to be back this year. If he does return early it'll be similar to PG13 returning and being rather mediocre. It's just the kind of injury that requires time and we should give it to him. He is here for the long run, this injury is obviously an inconvenient setback but we will get pat it and we have to believe we will achieve more after it
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: No Nickname on October 21, 2017, 12:02:53 AM
No nickname, I pretty much agree with everything you say. The fear is the biggest part to get over. Noone wants to be putting themselves in positions that make themselves feel worse. If Hayward can straighten that out he'll be fine in the long run.

We as fans shouldn't expect him to be back this year. If he does return early it'll be similar to PG13 returning and being rather mediocre. It's just the kind of injury that requires time and we should give it to him. He is here for the long run, this injury is obviously an inconvenient setback but we will get pat it and we have to believe we will achieve more after it

I will say that once I got over the fear, I was totally over it. I never thought about it again. I played some pretty competitive ball and I didn't have any setbacks or fears.

But it did take lots of little athletic achievements before I got there mentally. 
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Celtics4ever on October 21, 2017, 06:29:00 AM
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I broke my leg on March 15th and it was June 15th before I was goofing around playing 21 with my friends.  I'd say by August my leg was back to 90% and I could run and jump, but I was nervous as hell for the entire next year whenever I did. 

I think it is a safe thing to conclude that Gordon is in better shape than most on this board and probably has better trainers and doctors.   But yeah the mental part of an injury is always harder than the physical to heal.

Just remember these guys are mentally tougher than most as they made it to the pros.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 23, 2017, 07:36:07 PM
#Celtics coach Brad Stevens said first thing Gordon Hayward asked team for after surgery was a basketball he could handle.


https://mobile.twitter.com/scott_souza/status/922516302136147968
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 23, 2017, 07:40:42 PM
he can shoot from a wheel chair  :D
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: straightouttabahstun on October 23, 2017, 11:13:59 PM
Anyone worried at all that he may never quite be the same after his injury? The ankle is just such a complex part of the body and its so crucial to a basketball player's success.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: rocknrollforyoursoul on October 24, 2017, 12:47:39 AM
Anyone worried at all that he may never quite be the same after his injury? The ankle is just such a complex part of the body and its so crucial to a basketball player's success.

I see this as a concern after any major injury, especially any injury to a basketball player's legs. My understanding is that there was no ligament/tendon/muscle damage to Hayward, but still, an injury is an injury.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: RockinRyA on October 24, 2017, 01:32:07 AM
Anyone worried at all that he may never quite be the same after his injury? The ankle is just such a complex part of the body and its so crucial to a basketball player's success.

I was asking a doctor friend and he said its going to most likely be, "mental". Fractures are better than torn ligaments because they heal completely, but it can be more traumatizing.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Ogaju on October 24, 2017, 03:49:15 AM
the mental aspect is why I believe he should be given extra time to recover from this injury. Make sure the injury heals and there is no setback caused by early return. That will go a long way to fixing the mental aspect.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: makaveli on October 24, 2017, 05:03:07 AM
I’ve read lots od leg breaking experiences here, and since i’ve had one myself i can say none of them really come close to gordons. I agree that it is going to be a mental thing. But if i am gordon, i would be extatic to know that it basically just looked awful. A clean tibia break is no big deal. I expect him to be back by april.
Lot’s of you guys mentioned casts and stuff. He is getting screws and plates which are far kore advanced and fasten the healling process, and more imporantly, he can start working out as soon as the swelling goes away(non weighted).

But all thing aside, the season will dictate his return date. If we are really good he might push it to come back, if we end up at 5-8 spot, they will probably shut him down
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Surferdad on October 24, 2017, 07:01:55 AM
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But all thing aside, the season will dictate his return date. If we are really good he might push it to come back, if we end up at 5-8 spot, they will probably shut him down
I don't think so.  Celts have never operated that way.  Gordon comes back when he is medically cleared to play.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 24, 2017, 07:55:19 AM
He should be ready to start week after next .  Thats plenty of time. . 

LOL.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: spikelovetheCelts on October 24, 2017, 09:47:36 AM
Anyone worried at all that he may never quite be the same after his injury? The ankle is just such a complex part of the body and its so crucial to a basketball player's success.

I was asking a doctor friend and he said its going to most likely be, "mental". Fractures are better than torn ligaments because they heal completely, but it can be more traumatizing.
George said the same thing. I doubt we see Alley-oops and Heyward when he is well.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: incoherent on October 24, 2017, 10:26:42 AM
I figured I would leave this here as some hope.

Everything Im reading is that bones that break, when they grow back they grow back thicker and stronger.

Hopefully thats true.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Jiri Welsch on October 24, 2017, 10:35:12 AM
I figured I would leave this here as some hope.

Everything Im reading is that bones that break, when they grow back they grow back thicker and stronger.

Hopefully thats true.

Lol
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: playdream on October 24, 2017, 11:00:03 AM
I figured I would leave this here as some hope.

Everything Im reading is that bones that break, when they grow back they grow back thicker and stronger.

Hopefully thats true.
"Broken bones well set to become stronger"
"Storm makes oaks take deeper root"
"After April showers, come May flowers"
"No pains, no gains"
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: mctyson on October 24, 2017, 06:36:15 PM
Anyone worried at all that he may never quite be the same after his injury? The ankle is just such a complex part of the body and its so crucial to a basketball player's success.

He will lose some explosiveness, which sucks for the Cs because they paid him in his prime.  But he was never really an explosive player anyways and so he should be able to adjust.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: CelticsElite on October 24, 2017, 06:43:07 PM
Anyone worried at all that he may never quite be the same after his injury? The ankle is just such a complex part of the body and its so crucial to a basketball player's success.

He will lose some explosiveness, which sucks for the Cs because they paid him in his prime.  But he was never really an explosive player anyways and so he should be able to adjust.
I've read probably 10-15 doctor opinions on haywards injury and none said anything about losing explosiveness. Do you have any a link to medical prognosis indicating this? Sounds like unsubstantiated speculation to Me

Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Joyride on October 24, 2017, 08:05:12 PM
Anyone worried at all that he may never quite be the same after his injury? The ankle is just such a complex part of the body and its so crucial to a basketball player's success.

He will lose some explosiveness, which sucks for the Cs because they paid him in his prime.  But he was never really an explosive player anyways and so he should be able to adjust.
I've read probably 10-15 doctor opinions on haywards injury and none said anything about losing explosiveness. Do you have any a link to medical prognosis indicating this? Sounds like unsubstantiated speculation to Me

Exactly. No ligament or cartilage damage. If it was his ACL, we would be having a totally different conversation.  Funny, nobody panicked like this when Brady blew out his knee.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: ozgod on October 24, 2017, 08:09:22 PM
I gave up on Hayward for this year. If he comes back it's a bonus, that way I'm not going to be let down hoping he comes back earlier. Everyone's recovery time is different.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: SHAQATTACK on October 24, 2017, 08:38:10 PM
He ll be shooting hoops in a few months .   
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: GreenFaith1819 on October 24, 2017, 08:55:46 PM
While I want GH to have a complete and sound recovery I'm not giving up on seeing him in action this year.

The longer that Kyrie, Big Al and Co. keep this ship sailing gives me hope that we'll see him during this season.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wcz_kDCBTBk

KG said it and that settles it.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: Snakehead on October 24, 2017, 09:48:54 PM
With how good Tatum and Brown were tonight, the idea of Hayward in that mix too.... so exciting.
Title: Re: Hayward surgery went well. Recovery Timetable unknown. Best case=MARCH?
Post by: trickybilly on October 24, 2017, 10:06:57 PM
With how good Tatum and Brown were tonight, the idea of Hayward in that mix too.... so exciting.

Yeah, would be such a luxury getting some quality bench minutes out of Gordy later in the year.