Kyries defense hustle stats

[rollie mass]

Tied with Marcus Smart with 9 charges and 7th in league and 3rd in loose balls recovered 70 1st with Smart 3rd at 45
Deflections    Smart 105 1st on celts   Kyrie 85--2nd
Contested 2pt shots Smart 94    Kyrie 97

[celticsclay]

Tied with Marcus Smart with 9 charges and 7th in league and 3rd in loose balls recovered 70 with Smart at 45
Deflections    Smart 105 1st on celts   Kyrie 85--2nd
Contested 2pt shots Smart 94    Kyrie 97

But people hate him! There is a narrative gosh darn it.

[rollie mass]

People fear what they don't understand.

[gouki88]

It's like people aren't actually watching when they criticise his defensive effort

[SHAQATTACK]

he plays far harder on defense than he did in Cleveland.  No,coach , he did what Lebron said . Lebron does not play defense except when game is on the line .  Nobody expected Irving to.  Lebron did notnwant a coach telling him what to,do .

[The Oracle]

Deflections:  Smart is always among the elite in this category, this year 3.7 per 36 minutes.  Kyrie is at 2.7 per 36 which is well above average.  Everyone else on the squad is average at best at getting deflections. 

Loose balls:  You can't pick up loose balls unless your teammates are creating them.  Kyrie picks up a lot of loose balls off of Smart's deflections.  Smart doesn't have the luxury of a lot of teammates creating these loose balls for him to pick up or he for sure would get as many as anyone.  Kyrie 2.2 per 36, Smart and Tatum are tied 2nd at 1.6

Charges:  Smart and Kyrie each have 9, Baynes 7, Rozier 2, Theis 2, Ojeleye 2 and zero for the rest of the squad.  Not everyone should be expected to draw charges as many players choose to challenge shots at the rim.  Many more athletic longer players rarely draw charges as they contest instead.  Every player should be evaluated differently in regard to charges drawn.

Contested 2 point shots:  Are probably not a great tool for evaluating guards/wings as mid range jumpers are the shots you want opponents to take and the big men contest at the rim mostly.  Contested 3's are far more valuable for said players and Smart is once again among the league leaders at 5.9 per 36, Brown 5.0, Tatum 4.6, Rozier 3.3 and Irving at the bottom with 2.3.  Rozier and Irving often get switched off of ball handlers and may be the reason for the low contest numbers.  Brown and Tatum get more of theirs closing out on spot up shooters.

No matter the numbers Kyrie is for sure working his butt off on the defensive end.

[Androslav]

People fear what they don't understand.

TP

[GreenEnvy]

While he may never be a lockdown defender, he is able to use his quickness and intelligence to cheat and disrupt the opposing offense.

I haven’t had any complaints about his defense at all this season, you can see he’s made a conscious effort to be better on that end.

[rollie mass]

The" Kyrie effect" on our guards as they adopt some of his skills from practices.Use of backboard and floaters
Could we trade Rozier to Knicks for Frank Ntilikina getting a tall guard

[KGBirdBias]

LOL...now Kyrie is All-Defense.

STOP IT...this is foolish. The Cs overall defense is good but let's not get carried away stat geeks.

Sheesh...so because Smart hit some 3s last game should he enter the 3pt contest?

Stop trying to promote Kyrie in a way that isn't needed. He's an All Star and best player on the team but he still has defensive deficiencies. He's a decent off the ball, help defender...but he can't defend on the ball.

[rollie mass]

How do you get from Kyries defensive hustle stats to promoting "All Defense".There is nothing foolish acknowledging Irving's attempts to play better defense and a this is a response after all the FOOLISH trade Kyrie for sake of team.
I an not a stat geek and was taught defense by Rollie Massimino including how to draw charges.I posted these because it quantified what i saw in the case of Kyrie and his improvement.
Defense needs desire and intelligence.It is the most misunderstood facet of the game by casual fan.It is also quite complicated  and involves the whole team .Game planning ,knowing you opponents spots and habits ,seeing angles and knowing your teammates strengths and weaknesses as well.Their was a reason Atchinson claimed Celts defense was well orchestrated and the team communicated..
Defense can be quite beautiful not to be confused with Marcus's ability to create mayhem and intimidation.

Defense starts with Danny and has been a Celtic tradition since Red Auerbach,Bill Russell,Dave Cowens
East Coast blue collar tough.
It can never get enough credit or acknowledgement

[gouki88]

LOL...now Kyrie is All-Defense.

STOP IT...this is foolish. The Cs overall defense is good but let's not get carried away stat geeks.

Sheesh...so because Smart hit some 3s last game should he enter the 3pt contest?

Stop trying to promote Kyrie in a way that isn't needed. He's an All Star and best player on the team but he still has defensive deficiencies. He's a decent off the ball, help defender...but he can't defend on the ball.

Rofl, there's literally one mention of All-Defense and it's by you. Nobody at all even implied that he should be considered for one of the All-Defensive teams.

What people are saying is that he's become at worst an adequate, passable defender. His reading of the opposition offence is really solid, hence his improved steal numbers, in addition to his very respectable deflection, loose ball recover and charge numbers. This is the first time he's really been under a defensive-minded coach, and he's thriving.

[celtics4ever33]

LOL...now Kyrie is All-Defense.

STOP IT...this is foolish. The Cs overall defense is good but let's not get carried away stat geeks.

Sheesh...so because Smart hit some 3s last game should he enter the 3pt contest?

Stop trying to promote Kyrie in a way that isn't needed. He's an All Star and best player on the team but he still has defensive deficiencies. He's a decent off the ball, help defender...but he can't defend on the ball.

Rofl, there's literally one mention of All-Defense and it's by you. Nobody at all even implied that he should be considered for one of the All-Defensive teams.

What people are saying is that he's become at worst an adequate, passable defender. His reading of the opposition offence is really solid, hence his improved steal numbers, in addition to his very respectable deflection, loose ball recover and charge numbers. This is the first time he's really been under a defensive-minded coach, and he's thriving.

Lots of players are adequate. Again you guys miss the point.

This thread is just another guy in his own head trying to justify Kyrie Irving because some others don't like him as much as you do.

Someone has an opinion and all of a sudden people panic for some reason and feel the need to defend the player in some meaningless way.

Great Kyrie gets deflections.

Well someone may say Kyrie still gets torched by less than average guards.

[Androslav]

LOL...now Kyrie is All-Defense.

STOP IT...this is foolish. The Cs overall defense is good but let's not get carried away stat geeks.

Sheesh...so because Smart hit some 3s last game should he enter the 3pt contest?

Stop trying to promote Kyrie in a way that isn't needed. He's an All Star and best player on the team but he still has defensive deficiencies. He's a decent off the ball, help defender...but he can't defend on the ball.

Rofl, there's literally one mention of All-Defense and it's by you. Nobody at all even implied that he should be considered for one of the All-Defensive teams.

What people are saying is that he's become at worst an adequate, passable defender. His reading of the opposition offence is really solid, hence his improved steal numbers, in addition to his very respectable deflection, loose ball recover and charge numbers. This is the first time he's really been under a defensive-minded coach, and he's thriving.

Lots of players are adequate. Again you guys miss the point.

This thread is just another guy in his own head trying to justify Kyrie Irving because some others don't like him as much as you do.

Someone has an opinion and all of a sudden people panic for some reason and feel the need to defend the player in some meaningless way.

Great Kyrie gets deflections.

Well someone may say Kyrie still gets torched by less than average guards.

All point guards get torched on defense.
Some a lot, some a lot more.
It is not a defensive position.
There has been 1 DPOY PG ever (old rules), Gary Payton in 1996 - it is not a coincidence.
They are the smallest on the court and their matchups are the fastest while having bigs set the picks for them.
Perhaps a sad, but true fact.
With these rules,
All point guards get torched on defense.
That is a reality.

[gouki88]

LOL...now Kyrie is All-Defense.

STOP IT...this is foolish. The Cs overall defense is good but let's not get carried away stat geeks.

Sheesh...so because Smart hit some 3s last game should he enter the 3pt contest?

Stop trying to promote Kyrie in a way that isn't needed. He's an All Star and best player on the team but he still has defensive deficiencies. He's a decent off the ball, help defender...but he can't defend on the ball.

Rofl, there's literally one mention of All-Defense and it's by you. Nobody at all even implied that he should be considered for one of the All-Defensive teams.

What people are saying is that he's become at worst an adequate, passable defender. His reading of the opposition offence is really solid, hence his improved steal numbers, in addition to his very respectable deflection, loose ball recover and charge numbers. This is the first time he's really been under a defensive-minded coach, and he's thriving.

Lots of players are adequate. Again you guys miss the point.

This thread is just another guy in his own head trying to justify Kyrie Irving because some others don't like him as much as you do.

Someone has an opinion and all of a sudden people panic for some reason and feel the need to defend the player in some meaningless way.

Great Kyrie gets deflections.

Well someone may say Kyrie still gets torched by less than average guards.

Thanks for explaining the point to someone as stupid as me!

Similar to the vitriolic defending of Rozier right? You're hard to take seriously