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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: slightly biased bias fan on June 21, 2018, 01:01:15 AM
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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23858201/memphis-grizzlies-discuss-trading-no-4-pick-nba-draft
The Memphis Grizzlies are in discussions with a number of teams to trade the No. 4 pick in Thursday's NBA draft, league sources tell ESPN. Any such trade would likely include forward Chandler Parsons, whose contract is considered an albatross because of his knee problems.
The Grizzlies have several potential trade partners, as the Dallas Mavericks, Orlando Magic, Chicago Bulls, New York Knicks, Denver Nuggets, Boston Celtics and LA Clippers have shown varying degrees of interest in a deal, a source told ESPN.
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Ainge wants bamba or possibly doncic
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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.
But probably pass...
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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.
But probably pass...
God no.
Why would we be at all interested in a rebuilding trade??
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http://twitter.com/ForeverGreen_/status/1009655280114814976
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A third team taking Parson's deal is a very very tall ask. I don't think that noise is real. Whomever takes that contract is going to demand a premium pick.
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A third team taking Parson's deal is a very very tall ask. I don't think that noise is real. Whomever takes that contract is going to demand a premium pick.
Or..."give us one of Hayward/Brown/Tatum/Kyrie and we will absorb Chandler Parsons' contract for ya. You get your #4 pick. Everyone wins." ;D
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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ycao7rjg
A team is needed to take Parsons? How about Cleveland, along with Gasol and Conley.
Grizzlies receive Thompson, Hill, Clarkson and JR. Smith, pick 8, Memphis 2019 pick, Sac. pick.,
Celtics receive pick 4.
Memphis starts an excellent rebuild process with a bunch of guys they can jettison and two more high first rounders....
Cleveland gets better (but still not good enough imo)
The Celtics cash in two high picks for #4 this year (hopefully take Bamba).
If you wish to say the Celtics don't give up enough to snag pick 4, then simply say which picks you would add on....
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http://twitter.com/ForeverGreen_/status/1009655280114814976
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http://twitter.com/ForeverGreen_/status/1009655280114814976
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That the Celtics would want a third team to take on Parsons for them...and would give that third team a pick/s to make it happen (Celts don't want to add Parsons). Above see my trade which sends Parsons to Cleveland but Memphis gets the picks from Boston because they also give up Conley and Gasol....(they give Celts pick 4 but get pick 8, Sac pick and Memphis 2019).
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http://twitter.com/ForeverGreen_/status/1009655280114814976
Getting even spicier!
Not loading for me what’s the tweet?
It's just a retweet, but the guy's tweet "If Ainge is able to get a top 4 pick without trading a key player...."
Retweeting a speculation of package involving SAC '19 and MEM pick to MEM for #4, but also tryna find a third team to absorb Parsons' contract and a pick.
If Ainge can only do that without losing a key player, however. That'll be some fireworks though.
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What about Dallas?
#4 to Boston
SAC19, Marcus Morris ($5M), Wesley Matthews ($18.6M) to Memphis
#27, Rozier, Parsons ($24.1M) to Dallas
Memphis claims they want to compete this year. They get two quality veterans, dump Parsons, and still swap into the SAC pick next year.
Dallas picks up a 1st rounder, Rozier, tanks, and pays Parsons 1 more year than Matthews.
Boston flips SAC19, Rozier and #27 for #4... probably Bamba unless Doncic is somehow there.
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What about Dallas?
#4 to Boston
SAC19, Marcus Morris ($5M), Wesley Matthews ($18.6M) to Memphis
#27, Rozier, Parsons ($24.1M) to Dallas
Memphis claims they want to compete this year. They get two quality veterans, dump Parsons, and still swap into the SAC pick next year.
Dallas picks up a 1st rounder, Rozier, tanks, and pays Parsons 1 more year than Matthews.
Boston flips SAC19, Rozier and #27 for #4... probably Bamba unless Doncic is somehow there.
I got the impression from the tweet that that's more than Boston wants to give up for #4. Something about no key players being included...
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What about Dallas?
#4 to Boston
SAC19, Marcus Morris ($5M), Wesley Matthews ($18.6M) to Memphis
#27, Rozier, Parsons ($24.1M) to Dallas
Memphis claims they want to compete this year. They get two quality veterans, dump Parsons, and still swap into the SAC pick next year.
Dallas picks up a 1st rounder, Rozier, tanks, and pays Parsons 1 more year than Matthews.
Boston flips SAC19, Rozier and #27 for #4... probably Bamba unless Doncic is somehow there.
I got the impression from the tweet that that's more than Boston wants to give up for #4. Something about no key players being included...
Yeah I guess it depends what you mean by "key". I know Ainge has always been pretty high on Rozier, but he's also not a starter next year and I highly doubt would hold back chasing a top-5 talent that we like.
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There are tons of similar rumours rn
Last one I read is that D. Dedmon exercised his player option to be included in a package with the Hawks 3rd pick
https://fansided.com/2018/06/21/dewayne-dedmon-option-timing-should-raise-trade-suspicions-hawks/
Same story every year with the pre-draft rumours, most of them is just speculation that anyone with some knowledge of the NBA could come up with
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What about Dallas?
#4 to Boston
SAC19, Marcus Morris ($5M), Wesley Matthews ($18.6M) to Memphis
#27, Rozier, Parsons ($24.1M) to Dallas
Memphis claims they want to compete this year. They get two quality veterans, dump Parsons, and still swap into the SAC pick next year.
Dallas picks up a 1st rounder, Rozier, tanks, and pays Parsons 1 more year than Matthews.
Boston flips SAC19, Rozier and #27 for #4... probably Bamba unless Doncic is somehow there.
I got the impression from the tweet that that's more than Boston wants to give up for #4. Something about no key players being included...
Yeah I guess it depends what you mean by "key". I know Ainge has always been pretty high on Rozier, but he's also not a starter next year and I highly doubt would hold back chasing a top-5 talent that we like.
If Ainge could accomplish that it’d be a coup.
Does Dallas do this? They take an extra year of a very bad contract in return for a decent starting PG and a late 1st round pick. They’ll have to pay Rozier to keep him when they already have their PG of the future.
Memphis drops Parsons’ anchor of a contract but still has to take on a serious overpay contract next year (Matthews) and a so-so starter (Morris). I assume they want the money freed up to chase players that can help them next year, not to spend $18 M on Wes Matthews (PER 11.4). The Sac pick is nice, but I thought their goal is win now. Even if their focus is on a rebuild, there’s a very good chance the Sac pick lands 6-9 next year. Isn’t it better to grab a higher pick now?
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You know Memphis would love to have their own pick back.
That thing is hamstringing their future flexibility - not only can they not tank if they decide they need to, but it affects/limits other future picks they could send out due to the Stepien rule.
To us it is a nice pick with upside - with them it a chance to control their own destiny again. Note that we sent back one of Minnesota's picks as part of the KG trade. Good stuff.
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The more I think about it, the more I think letting go of the Sac pick for a high pick this year is the best option even though it means giving up assets for a similar or even worse pick now. Next years' draft is reportedly a lot weaker and slim on bigs, whereas this one is lousy with bigs and that's what the Celtics need.
If they're able to get into the top 8 without giving up one of their projected starting 5 (or Smart, I love Smart), I'll be happy.
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You know Memphis would love to have their own pick back.
That thing is hamstringing their future flexibility - not only can they not tank if they decide they need to, but it affects/limits other future picks they could send out due to the Stepien rule.
To us it is a nice pick with upside - with them it a chance to control their own destiny again. Note that we sent back one of Minnesota's picks as part of the KG trade. Good stuff.
Would they? I think they're fine not having it as they intend to compete. If they were going full rebuild sure, but that's not what this looks like. They want to move Parsons in order to get 'compete now' players, all while remaining at the top of the draft
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U going to hear everything today so get ready..heard this and dallas wants marcus smart...but its fun
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You know Memphis would love to have their own pick back.
That thing is hamstringing their future flexibility - not only can they not tank if they decide they need to, but it affects/limits other future picks they could send out due to the Stepien rule.
To us it is a nice pick with upside - with them it a chance to control their own destiny again. Note that we sent back one of Minnesota's picks as part of the KG trade. Good stuff.
Would they? I think they're fine not having it as they intend to compete. If they were going full rebuild sure, but that's not what this looks like. They want to move Parsons in order to get 'compete now' players, all while remaining at the top of the draft
They would like to have it back. Every team likes to control their own picks, if for no other reason than getting it back means it’s easier for them to trade future picks if needed. And if they are unable to right the ship, giving up a future lottery pick, potentially unprotected in 2021, would be terrible optics.
The pick is more valuable to Memphis than it is any other team. It’s valuable in general, but it probably has 5-10% more value to them.
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It is interesting how the Stepien rule is handcuffing them with this pick
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There are tons of similar rumours rn
Last one I read is that D. Dedmon exercised his player option to be included in a package with the Hawks 3rd pick
https://fansided.com/2018/06/21/dewayne-dedmon-option-timing-should-raise-trade-suspicions-hawks/
Same story every year with the pre-draft rumours, most of them is just speculation that anyone with some knowledge of the NBA could come up with
Dedmon would not exercise his player option based on thinking ATL might make a trade with him or not. He would only exercise strictly based on this being the best financial move for him.
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There are tons of similar rumours rn
Last one I read is that D. Dedmon exercised his player option to be included in a package with the Hawks 3rd pick
https://fansided.com/2018/06/21/dewayne-dedmon-option-timing-should-raise-trade-suspicions-hawks/
Same story every year with the pre-draft rumours, most of them is just speculation that anyone with some knowledge of the NBA could come up with
Yeah, I expected some major movement on draft day the last several years and have been disappointed, while this year I’m not expecting much. So hopefully the logic holds and we’ll see something exciting today/tonight!
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I find it very hard to believe that Danny could get the best asset (#4 pick) in a trade, and not take on the bad contract (Parsons). However, this trade does make some sort of sense to me:
Boston: Memphis' #4 pick, Garrett Temple
Memphis: Zach Randolph, Marcus Morris, Memphis 2019 pick
Sacramento: Chandler Parsons, Sacramento 2019 pick, Boston's #27 pick
Memphis already has a relationship with Big Z, and it allows the team to be in a win now mentality, which it seems like the team desires. Marcus is the type of veteran that winning teams need. Also, Memphis will get back their pick for next year's draft.
If Sacramento does draft Bagley III, then it allows him to start from day one, and the Kings wouldn't have to worry about splitting minutes with Randolph either. Plus if they lose, the Kings will get their own pick in next year's draft too.
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Parsons contract is too big an obstacle
No way Boston needs to take that titanic on
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I find it very hard to believe that Danny could get the best asset (#4 pick) in a trade, and not take on the bad contract (Parsons). However, this trade does make some sort of sense to me:
Boston: Memphis' #4 pick, Garrett Temple
Memphis: Zach Randolph, Marcus Morris, Memphis 2019 pick
Sacramento: Chandler Parsons, Sacramento 2019 pick, Boston's #27 pick
Memphis already has a relationship with Big Z, and it allows the team to be in a win now mentality, which it seems like the team desires. Marcus is the type of veteran that winning teams need. Also, Memphis will get back their pick for next year's draft.
If Sacramento does draft Bagley III, then it allows him to start from day one, and the Kings wouldn't have to worry about splitting minutes with Randolph either. Plus if they lose, the Kings will get their own pick in next year's draft too.
I thought the whole deal with Memphis would have Rozier in it, and not Morris?
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Parsons contract is too big an obstacle
No way Boston needs to take that titanic on
AGREE
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I find it very hard to believe that Danny could get the best asset (#4 pick) in a trade, and not take on the bad contract (Parsons). However, this trade does make some sort of sense to me:
Boston: Memphis' #4 pick, Garrett Temple
Memphis: Zach Randolph, Marcus Morris, Memphis 2019 pick
Sacramento: Chandler Parsons, Sacramento 2019 pick, Boston's #27 pick
Memphis already has a relationship with Big Z, and it allows the team to be in a win now mentality, which it seems like the team desires. Marcus is the type of veteran that winning teams need. Also, Memphis will get back their pick for next year's draft.
If Sacramento does draft Bagley III, then it allows him to start from day one, and the Kings wouldn't have to worry about splitting minutes with Randolph either. Plus if they lose, the Kings will get their own pick in next year's draft too.
I would think Memphis needs a little more out of this, Clippers pick too?
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Memphis is not giving up the #4 pick to just get their own protected pick back and dump Parsons.
They want to move down a few slots AND dump Parsons deal.
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I find it very hard to believe that Danny could get the best asset (#4 pick) in a trade, and not take on the bad contract (Parsons). However, this trade does make some sort of sense to me:
Boston: Memphis' #4 pick, Garrett Temple
Memphis: Zach Randolph, Marcus Morris, Memphis 2019 pick
Sacramento: Chandler Parsons, Sacramento 2019 pick, Boston's #27 pick
Memphis already has a relationship with Big Z, and it allows the team to be in a win now mentality, which it seems like the team desires. Marcus is the type of veteran that winning teams need. Also, Memphis will get back their pick for next year's draft.
If Sacramento does draft Bagley III, then it allows him to start from day one, and the Kings wouldn't have to worry about splitting minutes with Randolph either. Plus if they lose, the Kings will get their own pick in next year's draft too.
I like that deal. Would be absolutely chaotic if it went down.
I also don't mind Garrett Temple as a shooter off the bench, and his contract is an expiring after 2019
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I like that deal. Would be absolutely chaotic if it went down.
I also don't mind Garrett Temple as a shooter off the bench, and his contract is an expiring after 2019
Yeah Memphis would be firing their GM and dealing with the other owners screaming at their new owner for giving the farm to Boston for no reason.
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I really do not get why people think its appealing for other teams to give up their current high lottery pick to get back their own future uncertain lottery pick.
Its just not.
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I like that deal. Would be absolutely chaotic if it went down.
I also don't mind Garrett Temple as a shooter off the bench, and his contract is an expiring after 2019
Yeah Memphis would be firing their GM and dealing with the other owners screaming at their new owner for giving the farm to Boston for no reason.
Yeah, agreed. Sentimentality and getting rid of Parson's disgusting contract would be good for them, but they'd need a lot more compensation than a decent wing, a washed up big man and whatever their pick will be.
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I'd be willing to eat Parsons contract if we got Doncic. Sounds to me he could be the best player and having a 6'8" play maker we could have a future starting line up that is very big if lost KI or used him as a trade chip. Saying all that I do like KI and prefer to keep him.
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It would probably take some sort of combo of Rozier, the 27 pick and the Kings pick next year to get to 4...plus parson’s titanic contract
2 years at 49 million...dear god
No problem moving the Kings pick if you can get a top four player.
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Memphis is not giving up the #4 pick to just get their own protected pick back and dump Parsons.
They want to move down a few slots AND dump Parsons deal.
I all depends on how motivated they are to move Parsons. The only way the can move that pick is to trade their draft pick. No one is taking that contract just to move up 2 spots in the draft. Maybe 20 spots but not 2, 5, 10. If they really want to get rid of Parsons then they have to expect to give up the pick to do so. Very few options with teams that have cap space and that will give them a high pick and cap freedom just to slightly move up.
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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.
But probably pass...
Put the bottle down please...
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I like that deal. Would be absolutely chaotic if it went down.
I also don't mind Garrett Temple as a shooter off the bench, and his contract is an expiring after 2019
Yeah Memphis would be firing their GM and dealing with the other owners screaming at their new owner for giving the farm to Boston for no reason.
Like I said, I find it hard to believe that Boston is even considered for the #4 pick if their not taking back Parson's. However, that #4 pick has to be reduced in perceived value if their attaching an albatross contract to it. The Celtics would probably have to add the Clippers 2019 pick or Rozier for Memphis. However, I can't see Danny adding both.
I was just trying to come up with some sort of idea for a possible trade, where the Celtics would even be in a discussion to even support this #4 pick rumor. I think I only saw one other trade idea.
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I remember the good old days when I would wake up the day after the draft. I'd look in the Boston Globe and find out that the Celtics had just drafted Steve Downing.
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I remember the good old days when I would wake up the day after the draft. I'd look in the Boston Globe and find out that the Celtics had just drafted Steve Downing.
He didn't even crack 30 games did he?
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Memphis is not giving up the #4 pick to just get their own protected pick back and dump Parsons.
They want to move down a few slots AND dump Parsons deal.
I all depends on how motivated they are to move Parsons. The only way the can move that pick is to trade their draft pick. No one is taking that contract just to move up 2 spots in the draft. Maybe 20 spots but not 2, 5, 10. If they really want to get rid of Parsons then they have to expect to give up the pick to do so. Very few options with teams that have cap space and that will give them a high pick and cap freedom just to slightly move up.
I agree, on first hand the proposed deal looks terrible for Memphis. But when you analyze it, it isn't bad. In a vacuum a trade like #4 + Parsons for around #15 seems reasonable. Parsons' contract is that bad. Where the '19 Memphis pick is going to land is very uncertain, but a mid-first rounder can be expected. Add some minor pieces to the deal (in this example useful players like Morris and Randolph) and the deal isn't far of reality (though maybe the FO of Memphis is ;D).
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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.
But probably pass...
Put the bottle down please...
i wouldn't do that
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it would be like magically turning the 8 pick into the 4 pick
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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.
But probably pass...
Put the bottle down please...
i wouldn't do that
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it would be like magically turning the 8 pick into the 4 pick
8th pick, Crowder and the shadow of Isaiah Thomas for pick 4 and Chandler Parson's horrific contract? If that was what we did Ainge would be a laughing stock for a while
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I doubt anyone takes the Parsons contract without sending some money back.
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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.
But probably pass...
Put the bottle down please...
i wouldn't do that
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BUT
it would be like magically turning the 8 pick into the 4 pick
Wouldn't it be magically losing a 1st round pick+8th pick technically?
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I'd be willing to eat Parsons contract if we got Doncic. Sounds to me he could be the best player and having a 6'8" play maker we could have a future starting line up that is very big if lost KI or used him as a trade chip. Saying all that I do like KI and prefer to keep him.
We don't have the cap space to absorb his deal. We'd have to send back one of Horford/Hayward/Irving to make the deal. OR get a third team involved that would probably end up getting nothing of value.
This is a dead end..
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What about Dallas?
#4 to Boston
SAC19, Marcus Morris ($5M), Wesley Matthews ($18.6M) to Memphis
#27, Rozier, Parsons ($24.1M) to Dallas
Memphis claims they want to compete this year. They get two quality veterans, dump Parsons, and still swap into the SAC pick next year.
Dallas picks up a 1st rounder, Rozier, tanks, and pays Parsons 1 more year than Matthews.
Boston flips SAC19, Rozier and #27 for #4... probably Bamba unless Doncic is somehow there.
Dallas wouldn't do that. They'd be picking up $49.2 million in Parson's salary for 2 years instead of just keeping Mathews and owing him $18.6 million. That's over a $30 million cost and to only get the 27th pick and Rozier???? Plus it kills your cap for 2 years not 1. If you pick up that additional salary you''re doing it for a high lottery pick and nothing less.....
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I remember the good old days when I would wake up the day after the draft. I'd look in the Boston Globe and find out that the Celtics had just drafted Steve Downing.
He didn't even crack 30 games did he?
He wasn't a very good pro.
Think I'll go out for a bike ride today. Hopefully I'll be the last person to find out what the Celtics are doing in the draft.
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Would a deal be contingent on Sac taking Bagley at #2, thus guaranteeing one of Jackson or Doncic? Doncic fits in terms of that 6'6-6'9 versatility, winning attitude; Jackson would fit in terms of providing some very high level defense and 3 point spacing.
Or does it not matter, and it's all to take Bomba? Or someone else (ie Wendall Carter, the next Al Horford to learn under Al) (though if it is someone else, #4 seems high).
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I'd be willing to eat Parsons contract if we got Doncic. Sounds to me he could be the best player and having a 6'8" play maker we could have a future starting line up that is very big if lost KI or used him as a trade chip. Saying all that I do like KI and prefer to keep him.
We don't have the cap space to absorb his deal. We'd have to send back one of Horford/Hayward/Irving to make the deal. OR get a third team involved that would probably end up getting nothing of value.
This is a dead end..
Yea I understand and am OMW to the gym but what about a mix of Rozier, MM and our scrubs? Also does Parsons play anymore or is he toast?
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My god if we could somehow get Mo Bamba that would be amazing.
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I'd be willing to eat Parsons contract if we got Doncic. Sounds to me he could be the best player and having a 6'8" play maker we could have a future starting line up that is very big if lost KI or used him as a trade chip. Saying all that I do like KI and prefer to keep him.
We don't have the cap space to absorb his deal. We'd have to send back one of Horford/Hayward/Irving to make the deal. OR get a third team involved that would probably end up getting nothing of value.
This is a dead end..
Yea I understand and am OMW to the gym but what about a mix of Rozier, MM and our scrubs? Also does Parsons play anymore or is he toast?
Great I'm sure some team is just dying to take on Parsons and get MM. LOL
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2 years at 49 million...dear god
The real issue with that contract is we don't have a crappy expiring or cap room to eat it.
We'd have to send good players for that crap.
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Ainge wants bamba or possibly doncic
That's what I am thinking too! Man, that would be exciting, but of course I am not willing to give up too much.
Sac Pick, Memphis Pick, and some bench players (Yabasule or Semi, etc.). I am less of a Rozier fan that most people on this board, but he is a good insurance policy for next year so I don't want to include him in a trade unless it's good value.
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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.
But probably pass...
Put the bottle down please...
i wouldn't do that
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BUT
it would be like magically turning the 8 pick into the 4 pick
8th pick, Crowder and the shadow of Isaiah Thomas for pick 4 and Chandler Parson's horrific contract? If that was what we did Ainge would be a laughing stock for a while
shadow of crowder too
but i wouldn't mind if ainge were perceived to be a laughing stock. then other gm's would be more inclined to deal
i'm a big believer in ainge and zarren so i'll trust whatever they do
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You know Memphis would love to have their own pick back.
That thing is hamstringing their future flexibility - not only can they not tank if they decide they need to, but it affects/limits other future picks they could send out due to the Stepien rule.
To us it is a nice pick with upside - with them it a chance to control their own destiny again. Note that we sent back one of Minnesota's picks as part of the KG trade. Good stuff.
Would they? I think they're fine not having it as they intend to compete. If they were going full rebuild sure, but that's not what this looks like. They want to move Parsons in order to get 'compete now' players, all while remaining at the top of the draft
They would like to have it back. Every team likes to control their own picks, if for no other reason than getting it back means it’s easier for them to trade future picks if needed. And if they are unable to right the ship, giving up a future lottery pick, potentially unprotected in 2021, would be terrible optics.
The pick is more valuable to Memphis than it is any other team. It’s valuable in general, but it probably has 5-10% more value to them.
It's definitely in the "nice to have" category. I don't see it as a driving factor behind doing a trade.
They are looking to offload Parsons, they are also looking, according to rumours, to want to stay in the top 7 to draft Wendall Carter Jr. By all accounts it looks like they are wanting to continue with contention as opposed to a rebuild, irregardless of this trade.
Knowing that, I wonder how much stock they place in an at best mid teens pick? I agree it gives them more flexibility in trading future picks but I don't think that overrides the other factors in evaluating these trade packages.
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Sources: Celtics expressing interest in trading up to top 4 of NBA Draft to pursue Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba or Jaren Jackson Jr. with Terry Rozier being potentially available.
https://t.co/StEgJU0o91?amp=1
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I would consider Kyrie for Parsons and #4.
But probably pass...
Put the bottle down please...
i wouldn't do that
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BUT
it would be like magically turning the 8 pick into the 4 pick
8th pick, Crowder and the shadow of Isaiah Thomas for pick 4 and Chandler Parson's horrific contract? If that was what we did Ainge would be a laughing stock for a while
shadow of crowder too
but i wouldn't mind if ainge were perceived to be a laughing stock. then other gm's would be more inclined to deal
i'm a big believer in ainge and zarren so i'll trust whatever they do
If you're a big believer in Ainge, then you should believe that he would rarely ever give up lopsided deals just to convince people to trade with him again. Ainge normally stands pat, with the exception of Winslow and a few other deals in the past.
Ainge learns from his mistakes, bad GM's generally don't.
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Sources: Celtics expressing interest in trading up to top 4 of NBA Draft to pursue Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba or Jaren Jackson Jr. with Terry Rozier being potentially available.
https://t.co/StEgJU0o91?amp=1
Hahahaha! That means that Smart is headed out in a trade to Dallas for #5. Mark it.
(it's all about misdirection when it comes to Danny Ainge)
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Sources: Celtics expressing interest in trading up to top 4 of NBA Draft to pursue Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba or Jaren Jackson Jr. with Terry Rozier being potentially available.
https://t.co/StEgJU0o91?amp=1
That would be awesome, but I just can't envision how we can pull that off. He isn't giving up one of our big 5 players, and Rozier plus Sac pick isn't getting us there, IMO.
Does Memphis + Sac + Rozier get us top 4 or 5? I can't imagine it will. Cheers to Ainge if he does.
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Sources: Celtics expressing interest in trading up to top 4 of NBA Draft to pursue Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba or Jaren Jackson Jr. with Terry Rozier being potentially available.
https://t.co/StEgJU0o91?amp=1
Hahahaha! That means that Smart is headed out in a trade to Dallas for #5. Mark it.
(it's all about misdirection when it comes to Danny Ainge)
We can’t trade Smart until July when free agency opens
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Sources: Celtics expressing interest in trading up to top 4 of NBA Draft to pursue Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba or Jaren Jackson Jr. with Terry Rozier being potentially available.
https://t.co/StEgJU0o91?amp=1
Hahahaha! That means that Smart is headed out in a trade to Dallas for #5. Mark it.
(it's all about misdirection when it comes to Danny Ainge)
We can’t trade Smart until July when free agency opens
CAn't they do that with a "player/s to be announced later". I swear I've seen that before, not sure if new rules cancel this with a sing and trade.
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Sources: Celtics expressing interest in trading up to top 4 of NBA Draft to pursue Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba or Jaren Jackson Jr. with Terry Rozier being potentially available.
https://t.co/StEgJU0o91?amp=1
Hahahaha! That means that Smart is headed out in a trade to Dallas for #5. Mark it.
(it's all about misdirection when it comes to Danny Ainge)
We can’t trade Smart until July when free agency opens
CAn't they do that with a "player/s to be announced later". I swear I've seen that before, not sure if new rules cancel this with a sing and trade.
No, but we can agree to the trade, they can draft the player we want, then do the trade in July.
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Sources: Celtics expressing interest in trading up to top 4 of NBA Draft to pursue Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba or Jaren Jackson Jr. with Terry Rozier being potentially available.
https://t.co/StEgJU0o91?amp=1
http://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1009811858340052993
What’s hilarious is that Rozier will be a guest analyst for the B/R draft show tonight. How awkward will that be if he gets traded in the middle of doing that show? 😂
On a more serious note, I wonder if a three way trade with Memphis and either Orlando, Dallas, or Chicago could work. Hard to see this working with Parsons’ contract. I think we have a better chance of simply trading with Orlando, Dallas, or Chicago ourselves to have a chance at one of the bigs.
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Sources: Celtics expressing interest in trading up to top 4 of NBA Draft to pursue Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba or Jaren Jackson Jr. with Terry Rozier being potentially available.
https://t.co/StEgJU0o91?amp=1
http://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1009811858340052993
What’s hilarious is that Rozier will be a guest analyst for the B/R draft show tonight. How awkward will that be if he gets traded in the middle of doing that show? 😂
Wasserman: "Let's learn a little more about our guest, Terry Rozier. Terry, what are your interests? For example, how do you feel about Graceland, cowboy hats or Disney World?"
Mike
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/06/21/celtics-plan-nba-draft-2018
Globe reports that rumors of a Celtics move up in the draft are cooling.
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I really do not get why people think its appealing for other teams to give up their current high lottery pick to get back their own future uncertain lottery pick.
Its just not.
You may be right, but it is a tradable asset that the Celtics have. The Celtics obviously have assets that most teams would desire, such as Brown and Tatum. However, I don't see Danny even bringing those players to the table for a #4 pick. That would leave Rozier and the future picks. So it is not a question of, do teams want their own future picks back in a trade. It's just the matter of the tradable assets the Celtics have to offer.
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Sources: Celtics expressing interest in trading up to top 4 of NBA Draft to pursue Luka Doncic, Mo Bamba or Jaren Jackson Jr. with Terry Rozier being potentially available.
https://t.co/StEgJU0o91?amp=1
http://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/1009811858340052993
What’s hilarious is that Rozier will be a guest analyst for the B/R draft show tonight. How awkward will that be if he gets traded in the middle of doing that show? 😂
On a more serious note, I wonder if a three way trade with Memphis and either Orlando, Dallas, or Chicago could work. Hard to see this working with Parsons’ contract. I think we have a better chance of simply trading with Orlando, Dallas, or Chicago ourselves to have a chance at one of the bigs.
I could see Memphis/Orlando in a 3 way trade.
If they believe Rozier can break out, and would like the SAC pick along with either Clippers or Boston 1st, I could see that happening.
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/06/21/celtics-plan-nba-draft-2018
Globe reports that rumors of a Celtics move up in the draft are cooling.
I am fine with staying put but do not want another pointless player that can’t shoot like semi.
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/06/21/celtics-plan-nba-draft-2018
Globe reports that rumors of a Celtics move up in the draft are cooling.
I am fine with staying put but do not want another pointless player that can’t shoot like semi.
There is nothing pointless about adding depth or drafting the replacement for Smart or Rozier whichever leave. The Celtics really need a 3 & D player for the 2nd until who can guard 2-4. I'd rather them swing for the fences and draft someone who was very highly rated going into the year but was hurt. That's untapped potential the C's can develop. That's the type of guy they should be drafting.
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/06/21/celtics-plan-nba-draft-2018
Globe reports that rumors of a Celtics move up in the draft are cooling.
I am fine with staying put but do not want another pointless player that can’t shoot like semi.
There is nothing pointless about adding depth or drafting the replacement for Smart or Rozier whichever leave. The Celtics really need a 3 & D player for the 2nd until who can guard 2-4. I'd rather them swing for the fences and draft someone who was very highly rated going into the year but was hurt. That's untapped potential the C's can develop. That's the type of guy they should be drafting.
Smart is going to be resigned. You need scoring off the bench to balance that unit out. Worried about losing Rozier then draft a legit point. Don’t waste it on a josh Okogie who has zero handles and is a spotty shooter.
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/06/21/celtics-plan-nba-draft-2018
Globe reports that rumors of a Celtics move up in the draft are cooling.
Which means that we are actually going to move up in the draft....we all know how Danny works.
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My stab at a Cs for #4 trade
Suns get Rozier, Parsons, 2019 Grizz 1st
Grizz get TJ Warren, #16 (from suns), 2019 Sac 1st, #27 (from Cs), Marcus Morris
Cs get #4
Why
Suns land Rozier to start along side Booker, Jackson, Bender and Ayton and a potential loto pick next year. If they plan on developing youth and not diving into FA market then Parsons deal isnt going to make a huge difference.
Grizz, They bring in two players in Morris and Warren who will help them win next season. The 19 Sac pick should be upper lottery. Adding the 16 and 27 to go along with the 32 they already have should be able to move them back up to the 10-12 range if they have a late lottery player they want. (Maybe Lonnie Walker?)
Celtics, At #4 they can get the big man of the future in Jackson, Bamba or Carter. This also eliminates the need to resign Baynes and that coupled with moving Morris opens up space under the luxury tax to retain Smart.
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You know Memphis would love to have their own pick back.
That thing is hamstringing their future flexibility - not only can they not tank if they decide they need to, but it affects/limits other future picks they could send out due to the Stepien rule.
To us it is a nice pick with upside - with them it a chance to control their own destiny again. Note that we sent back one of Minnesota's picks as part of the KG trade. Good stuff.
Would they? I think they're fine not having it as they intend to compete. If they were going full rebuild sure, but that's not what this looks like. They want to move Parsons in order to get 'compete now' players, all while remaining at the top of the draft
They would like to have it back. Every team likes to control their own picks, if for no other reason than getting it back means it’s easier for them to trade future picks if needed. And if they are unable to right the ship, giving up a future lottery pick, potentially unprotected in 2021, would be terrible optics.
The pick is more valuable to Memphis than it is any other team. It’s valuable in general, but it probably has 5-10% more value to them.
Thanks to saltlover.
This "draft day concept" might actually have legs except...don't the Grizz want one of these top 5 kids?
Like any team Grizz hoping for an overpay from a team who is "in love" with whoever.
Ainge never does this...almost, but, he has the leverage to overpay if he needs to without hurting the team.
If Ainge makes a move into the lottery? I'll be shocked simply because he doesn't need to and this...
Brown....max
Tatum....max
#5 pick this year...max
Ok they're spaced but, makes you wonder if it is financial planning of the best kind.
I know I'm oversimplifying as there will be trades and the like, but, this move would mean Ainge is thinking "three years to title" or the like.
I say he plays hard tonight, but can't rob anyone so, sits it out.
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/06/21/celtics-plan-nba-draft-2018
Globe reports that rumors of a Celtics move up in the draft are cooling.
I am fine with staying put but do not want another pointless player that can’t shoot like semi.
If Danny doesn't trade up, you'll most likely get a European big man who will be stashed overseas for several years. Unless there's a big move, I wouldn't get your hopes up for this draft at all.
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/06/21/celtics-plan-nba-draft-2018
Globe reports that rumors of a Celtics move up in the draft are cooling.
I am fine with staying put but do not want another pointless player that can’t shoot like semi.
Agreed. I'd rather trade out of the pick if we're just going to draft another guard who won't get playing time or flat out sucks. Why play first round money to a GLeaguer
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Haven't made it through the entire thread but has someone explained how the Celts can even take back parsons given that we would need to send back about 25 mil in salary? Doesn't compute to me at all.
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Haven't made it through the entire thread but has someone explained how the Celts can even take back parsons given that we would need to send back about 25 mil in salary? Doesn't compute to me at all.
I think a 3rd team would have to get involved with us sending them a draft pick for their troubles.
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/06/21/celtics-plan-nba-draft-2018
Globe reports that rumors of a Celtics move up in the draft are cooling.
Yep. Look at Google Trends. Dropping from a "100" around 6am to less than "50" by mid-day.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=now%201-d&geo=US&q=celtics%20trade
:)
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https://www.boston.com/sports/boston-celtics/2018/06/21/celtics-plan-nba-draft-2018
Globe reports that rumors of a Celtics move up in the draft are cooling.
I am fine with staying put but do not want another pointless player that can’t shoot like semi.
Agreed. I'd rather trade out of the pick if we're just going to draft another guard who won't get playing time or flat out sucks. Why play first round money to a GLeaguer
Usually, I switch my preferences around a lot from draft to draft, as new information comes out, but this time around, I've pretty consistently felt like the single best use of the pick would be to trade back. I'd love to get #35 and #41 from Orlando for #27.
Mike
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I think Bruce Brown from Miami will be the pick.
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I think Bruce Brown from Miami will be the pick.
with the 4th pick, the Boston Celtics select Bruce Brown from university of Miami
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Make the trade!! Take on Parsons contract who cares it's not our money hahaha!
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I think Bruce Brown from Miami will be the pick.
with the 4th pick, the Boston Celtics select Bruce Brown from university of Miami
Maybe if he hadn’t gotten hurt. Projected lottery. I don’t think the Celtics make a deal.
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I think Bruce Brown from Miami will be the pick.
with the 4th pick, the Boston Celtics select Bruce Brown from university of Miami
Maybe if he hadn’t gotten hurt. Projected lottery. I don’t think the Celtics make a deal.
i keep reading Bruce Bowen :laugh: :laugh:
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Honestly for Mo Bamba I’d probably trade as much as Rozier, Morris and whatever picks they want.
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Haven't made it through the entire thread but has someone explained how the Celts can even take back parsons given that we would need to send back about 25 mil in salary? Doesn't compute to me at all.
I think a 3rd team would have to get involved with us sending them a draft pick for their troubles.
Okay, so how does a three team trade allow us to bring in a lot more salary than we send out?
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Haven't made it through the entire thread but has someone explained how the Celts can even take back parsons given that we would need to send back about 25 mil in salary? Doesn't compute to me at all.
I think a 3rd team would have to get involved with us sending them a draft pick for their troubles.
Okay, so how does a three team trade allow us to bring in a lot more salary than we send out?
The third team would have taken the salary