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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Chef Parish on July 18, 2018, 04:04:48 PM
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Raptors and Cavs losing their star players. I'm not substituting Leonard as a star yet for the Raptors. That leaves the 76ers as the only challenging team right now for the Celtics.
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I don’t really buy that. Toronto shouldn’t be discounted as a contender.
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Toronto is more of a contender with KL, assuming he shows up.
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Yeah, thread fail. I don't think Tor was a contender before in theory, any change would potentially be bad for the Celts. In this case, replacing DeRozen with Kawhi is a clear upgrade.
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Toronto with healthy Kawhi is better than Philly IMO
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Toronto with healthy Kawhi is better than Philly IMO
Zach Lowe shares this opinion.
"A Finals run might help. Toronto has a chance at that. With this deal, the Raptors enter next season just behind Boston -- ahead of Philly -- in the Eastern Conference pecking order. (The Celtics could be 60-plus-wins special next season."
This board is one of the few places in the world with such an elevated view of a philly team that lost two bench players and whiffed on there three main targets this summer. Its really bizarre how people talk about them on here...
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Toronto with healthy Kawhi is better than Philly IMO
Zach Lowe shares this opinion.
"A Finals run might help. Toronto has a chance at that. With this deal, the Raptors enter next season just behind Boston -- ahead of Philly -- in the Eastern Conference pecking order. (The Celtics could be 60-plus-wins special next season."
This board is one of the few places in the world with such an elevated view of a philly team that lost two bench players and whiffed on there three main targets this summer. Its really bizarre how people talk about them on here...
Not quite. National media LOVES Embiid/Simmons though they seem to acknowledge the Celtics are near the top too.
Anyway, assuming Kawhi plays hard for the Raptors and is healthy, how can they not be better than last year since KL is >> DD? FWIW, they also got Danny Green in the deal.
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Raptors and Cavs losing their star players. I'm not substituting Leonard as a star yet for the Raptors. That leaves the 76ers as the only challenging team right now for the Celtics.
Unless you're just waiting on the trade becoming official, in which case you should still have Derozean on the Raptors, your decision in bold doesn't make sense.
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Kawhi is 2 notches above Derozan. They are a real threat now.
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I think TOR now is a bigger threat than Philly who is full of losers who are used to tanking.
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Kawhi is 2 notches above Derozan. They are a real threat now.
I might quibble about just how much of an upgrade Kawhi is to Derozan but when healthy and committed it is inarguable he is an upgrade.
The question is whether or not Kawhi shows up.
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I think TOR now is a bigger threat than Philly who is full of losers who are used to tanking.
Except they are not. They went from 10 wins to 28 wins to 52 wins. Covington is really their only player who was playing with them through their tanking seasons. McConnell and Holmes were only on the 10 win tank. Embiid, Saric, Simmons, Redick, Fultz have played 2 years or less.
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Toronto with healthy Kawhi is better than Philly IMO
Zach Lowe shares this opinion.
"A Finals run might help. Toronto has a chance at that. With this deal, the Raptors enter next season just behind Boston -- ahead of Philly -- in the Eastern Conference pecking order. (The Celtics could be 60-plus-wins special next season."
This board is one of the few places in the world with such an elevated view of a philly team that lost two bench players and whiffed on there three main targets this summer. Its really bizarre how people talk about them on here...
Not quite. National media LOVES Embiid/Simmons though they seem to acknowledge the Celtics are near the top too.
Anyway, assuming Kawhi plays hard for the Raptors and is healthy, how can they not be better than last year since KL is >> DD? FWIW, they also got Danny Green in the deal.
Basketball isn't played on paper, Kawhi doesn't want to play for that team and what will Lowry feel about that team also
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Toronto with healthy Kawhi is better than Philly IMO
i second this. no one knows whether fultz will be a factor. we are not sure if embiid's immaturity will be a problem. and will simmons be able to beat defenses who dare him to shoot? quite a few questions to answered by philly.
toronto is better this year than last, assuming kawhi plays for them. ;D
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Toronto with healthy Kawhi is better than Philly IMO
i second this. no one knows whether fultz will be a factor. we are not sure if embiid's immaturity will be a problem. and will simmons be able to beat defenses who dare him to shoot? quite a few questions to answered by philly.
toronto is better this year than last, assuming kawhi plays for them. ;D
Embiid's immaturity? Please. Having fun trash talking and on social media isn't immaturity. He's arguably a top 10 player already in less than 100 NBA games played.
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Toronto with healthy Kawhi is better than Philly IMO
i second this. no one knows whether fultz will be a factor. we are not sure if embiid's immaturity will be a problem. and will simmons be able to beat defenses who dare him to shoot? quite a few questions to answered by philly.
toronto is better this year than last, assuming kawhi plays for them. ;D
Embiid's immaturity? Please. Having fun trash talking and on social media isn't immaturity. He's arguably a top 10 player already in less than 100 NBA games played.
Yeah in four seasons.
Not that impressive.
He’s talented for sure, but also immature and quite annoying.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. How they do will predominantly be driven by the growth of their young players. They should hold onto their room exception to see who becomes available during the season.
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Philly is so overrated. We beat them without our two best players in 5 games, yet somehow they’re at our level?
Nonsense. Boston and Toronto are clearly the class/tier 1 of the East right now with Boston having the advantage over Toronto. I think Philly is just as close to a tier 2 team as they are a tier 1 team, especially given that they didn’t improve this offseason and lost several key vets.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with both Ilyasova and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They provided spacing and high IQ play, things that will be heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best fit on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, a position that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
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Philly has taken a step back and TOR took a step forward. TOR is our toughest competition unless there is a dramatic improvement in BS and Fultz.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with both Ilyasova and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They provided spacing and high IQ play, things that will be heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best fit on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, a position that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
The Sixers had the toughest 1st half of the season which is why I predicted they'd make the playoffs if they were close to .500 after the 1st half of the season. Their very strong end to the season was driven to a significant degree by playing weaker teams that were tanking.
Ilyasova and Belinelli did contribute to their end of the season run but they were a lot less effective in the playoffs. Ilyasova only shot 36% (29% in playoffs) from three for the Sixers and he plays the 4 predominantly. Belli's shooting was a definite plus but when it got to the playoffs he only shot 34.8% from three and his defense was a huge negative.
I'd say Chandler is a slight upgrade over Ilyasova but at worse it is a wash. The Sixers were able to pickup Ilyasova and Belinelli as vet minimum post deadline acquisitions. No reason to think they can't make similar pickups during this season especially if they retain their room exception.
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Toronto with healthy Kawhi is better than Philly IMO
Zach Lowe shares this opinion.
"A Finals run might help. Toronto has a chance at that. With this deal, the Raptors enter next season just behind Boston -- ahead of Philly -- in the Eastern Conference pecking order. (The Celtics could be 60-plus-wins special next season."
This board is one of the few places in the world with such an elevated view of a philly team that lost two bench players and whiffed on there three main targets this summer. Its really bizarre how people talk about them on here...
Not quite. National media LOVES Embiid/Simmons though they seem to acknowledge the Celtics are near the top too.
Anyway, assuming Kawhi plays hard for the Raptors and is healthy, how can they not be better than last year since KL is >> DD? FWIW, they also got Danny Green in the deal.
Basketball isn't played on paper, Kawhi doesn't want to play for that team and what will Lowry feel about that team also
Welcome to the off-season. ;D
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. How they do will predominantly be driven by the growth of their young players. They should hold onto their room exception to see who becomes available during the season.
lol come on man. You know how much they helped them last regular season
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Not buying Philly right now. They basically struck out on every possibility. Team is the same if not worse than the end of last off-season. Lost Ilyasova and Belinelli. Added Chandler and a bunch of rookies. They better hope Fultz is a positive or otherwise they will resemble the team from the first half of last season (barely .500).
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Not buying Philly right now. They basically struck out on every possibility. Team is the same if not worse than the end of last off-season. Lost Ilyasova and Belinelli. Added Chandler and a bunch of rookies. They better hope Fultz is a positive or otherwise they will resemble the team from the first half of last season (barely .500).
They had a brutal first half schedule.
Then they got Beli and Ilyasova and had a piece of cake second half.
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The Buck's will be better than the sixers and I'd pick the Greek Freak over Kawhi to lead my team. I think Giannis makes another big leap this year.
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Except they are not.
They were against us in the playoffs! Simmons, Embiid don't know how to win add Fultz to that mix, too. They had a nice run when teams were tanking for draft picks at the end of the year, period!
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. How they do will predominantly be driven by the growth of their young players. They should hold onto their room exception to see who becomes available during the season.
lol come on man. You know how much they helped them last regular season
I'll refer you to my post above. They helped but not as much as the easy end of season schedule did. In any case, you don't win championships in the regular season. Ilyasova and Belinelli are a lot less useful in the playoffs and if the Sixers had re-signed them you would have been trumpeting that fact in all your Sixers posts.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. How they do will predominantly be driven by the growth of their young players. They should hold onto their room exception to see who becomes available during the season.
lol come on man. You know how much they helped them last regular season
I'll refer you to my post above. They helped but not as much as the easy end of season schedule did. In any case, you don't win championships in the regular season. Ilyasova and Belinelli are a lot less useful in the playoffs and if the Sixers had re-signed them you would have been trumpeting that fact in all your Sixers posts.
They literally had a really poor offseason. Struck out on Lebron, George and Leonard. Lost two bench players. Saw their biggest signing renege on the agreement. Have seen their title odds plummet. That's just realistic. Your caricature optimistic views of them are the worst kept secret on the forum.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. How they do will predominantly be driven by the growth of their young players. They should hold onto their room exception to see who becomes available during the season.
lol come on man. You know how much they helped them last regular season
I'll refer you to my post above. They helped but not as much as the easy end of season schedule did. In any case, you don't win championships in the regular season. Ilyasova and Belinelli are a lot less useful in the playoffs and if the Sixers had re-signed them you would have been trumpeting that fact in all your Sixers posts.
They literally had a really poor offseason. Struck out on Lebron, George and Leonard. Lost two bench players. Saw their biggest signing renege on the agreement. Have seen their title odds plummet. That's just realistic. Your caricature optimistic views of them are the worst kept secret on the forum.
Did I say they had a good offseason? It is clear now that George staying in OKC and Lebron going to the Lakers were done deals before free agency began. I've said previously that I wouldn't trade much for Leonard unless he gave strong indications that he'd resign. As for Bjelica, I thought them using the room exception on him wasn't a particularly good move. I think they should keep their room exception open for in-season moves. What they did right is just sign players on 1 year contracts in order to maintain their cap space for next offseason. I just said losing Ilyasova and Belinelli wasn't that big of a loss. They are bench role players with significant limitations in the playoffs.
How exactly did their title odds plummet? Losing Ilyasova, Belinelli and Bjelica certainly didn't significantly impact their title odds. Their odds are low like last season but I'd actually give them a bit better odds with Lebron going West.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. How they do will predominantly be driven by the growth of their young players. They should hold onto their room exception to see who becomes available during the season.
lol come on man. You know how much they helped them last regular season
I'll refer you to my post above. They helped but not as much as the easy end of season schedule did. In any case, you don't win championships in the regular season. Ilyasova and Belinelli are a lot less useful in the playoffs and if the Sixers had re-signed them you would have been trumpeting that fact in all your Sixers posts.
They literally had a really poor offseason. Struck out on Lebron, George and Leonard. Lost two bench players. Saw their biggest signing renege on the agreement. Have seen their title odds plummet. That's just realistic. Your caricature optimistic views of them are the worst kept secret on the forum.
Did I say they had a good offseason? It is clear now that George staying in OKC and Lebron going to the Lakers were done deals before free agency began. I've said previously that I wouldn't trade much for Leonard unless he gave strong indications that he'd resign. As for Bjelica, I thought them using the room exception on him wasn't a particularly good move. I think they should keep their room exception open for in-season moves. What they did right is just sign players on 1 year contracts in order to maintain their cap space for next offseason. I just said losing Ilyasova and Belinelli wasn't that big of a loss. They are bench role players with significant limitations in the playoffs.
How exactly did their title odds plummet? Losing Ilyasova, Belinelli and Bjelica certainly didn't significantly impact their title odds. Their odds are low like last season but I'd actually give them a bit better odds with Lebron going West.
Their odds literally plummeted. They opened at 7-2 because they had big hopes of improving their team and people thought they would. https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-one-early-favorites-win-nba-title-next-season
They are now 20-1 and have been passed by 4 teams. (I can't post to current odds cause they are on a betting site but I am sure someone can find media coverage of it soon). I'm giving you objective facts and your doing the same ol nonsense about how everything is great for them
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The Leonard addition to Toronto is being overrated. He isn't going to catapult that team into another level. He's not that significant an upgrade.
Phlly's rating is based more on projection than production. That was not a particularly good team last year, but people are expecting major improvement from Simmons and Embiid, and are expecting Fultz to be a player.
In the end, if the Raptors keep Leonard for the season, and teams in the Eastern Conference don't make any more major moves, Toronto should be Boston's closest challenger this season, but Boston should take them out in 5 come playoff time.
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The Leonard addition to Toronto is being overrated. He isn't going to catapult that team into another level. He's not that significant an upgrade.
Phlly's rating is based more on projection than production. That was not a particularly good team last year, but people are expecting major improvement from Simmons and Embiid, and are expecting Fultz to be a player.
In the end, if the Raptors keep Leonard for the season, and teams in the Eastern Conference don't make any more major moves, Toronto should be Boston's closest challenger this season, but Boston should take them out in 5 come playoff time.
I think we will now see exactly how good Kawhi is.
He’s a consensus top-5 players, but he’s not the type that will go out and put up a monster triple-double or 50-point game. He’s consistent and does all the right things, but does he have the ability to take over games offensively?
We only know him in Pop’s system and he was given appropriate credit, but he still needs to prove he can do it with any coach and with any team (like a LeBron or Durant can).
That said, they gave up a top-25 player for him. And when you get into that elite territory, the difference between them gets smaller and smaller (top 100 player is not as close to a top 50 player as 50 is to 25, 50 to 25 not as close as 25 to 10, etc etc).
I’d definitely put them second behind the Celtics in the East, ahead of the Sixers. Just about every night they will have the best player on the floor and a deepish team, which is a recipe for a tough out. Milwaukee should be in the 3-4 mix as well.
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Phlly's rating is based more on projection than production. That was not a particularly good team last year, but people are expecting major improvement from Simmons and Embiid, and are expecting Fultz to be a player.
Exactly, TP.
Also, people are optimistic for Embiid's health staying healthy. Simmons and Fultz developing shots. And the latter two becoming winners when their collegiate careers were indicative that they were not.
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The Leonard addition to Toronto is being overrated. He isn't going to catapult that team into another level. He's not that significant an upgrade.
Phlly's rating is based more on projection than production. That was not a particularly good team last year, but people are expecting major improvement from Simmons and Embiid, and are expecting Fultz to be a player.
In the end, if the Raptors keep Leonard for the season, and teams in the Eastern Conference don't make any more major moves, Toronto should be Boston's closest challenger this season, but Boston should take them out in 5 come playoff time.
I think we will now see exactly how good Kawhi is.
He’s a consensus top-5 players, but he’s not the type that will go out and put up a monster triple-double or 50-point game. He’s consistent and does all the right things, but does he have the ability to take over games offensively?
We only know him in Pop’s system and he was given appropriate credit, but he still needs to prove he can do it with any coach and with any team (like a LeBron or Durant can).
That said, they gave up a top-25 player for him. And when you get into that elite territory, the difference between them gets smaller and smaller (top 100 player is not as close to a top 50 player as 50 is to 25, 50 to 25 not as close as 25 to 10, etc etc).
I’d definitely put them second behind the Celtics in the East, ahead of the Sixers. Just about every night they will have the best player on the floor and a deepish team, which is a recipe for a tough out. Milwaukee should be in the 3-4 mix as well.
Kawhi is definitely an interesting star. According to his page on realGM, he's never had more than 7 assists in a game. For a 7 year pro that has the ball as much as he does, that seems really low.
Maybe an indicator of his reliance on the Spurs system? Or maybe it's an indicator of the Spurs system boxing him into a role and not letting him be more creative? I guess we'll find out this year.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. How they do will predominantly be driven by the growth of their young players. They should hold onto their room exception to see who becomes available during the season.
lol come on man. You know how much they helped them last regular season
I'll refer you to my post above. They helped but not as much as the easy end of season schedule did. In any case, you don't win championships in the regular season. Ilyasova and Belinelli are a lot less useful in the playoffs and if the Sixers had re-signed them you would have been trumpeting that fact in all your Sixers posts.
They literally had a really poor offseason. Struck out on Lebron, George and Leonard. Lost two bench players. Saw their biggest signing renege on the agreement. Have seen their title odds plummet. That's just realistic. Your caricature optimistic views of them are the worst kept secret on the forum.
Did I say they had a good offseason? It is clear now that George staying in OKC and Lebron going to the Lakers were done deals before free agency began. I've said previously that I wouldn't trade much for Leonard unless he gave strong indications that he'd resign. As for Bjelica, I thought them using the room exception on him wasn't a particularly good move. I think they should keep their room exception open for in-season moves. What they did right is just sign players on 1 year contracts in order to maintain their cap space for next offseason. I just said losing Ilyasova and Belinelli wasn't that big of a loss. They are bench role players with significant limitations in the playoffs.
How exactly did their title odds plummet? Losing Ilyasova, Belinelli and Bjelica certainly didn't significantly impact their title odds. Their odds are low like last season but I'd actually give them a bit better odds with Lebron going West.
Their odds literally plummeted. They opened at 7-2 because they had big hopes of improving their team and people thought they would. https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-one-early-favorites-win-nba-title-next-season
They are now 20-1 and have been passed by 4 teams. (I can't post to current odds cause they are on a betting site but I am sure someone can find media coverage of it soon). I'm giving you objective facts and your doing the same ol nonsense about how everything is great for them
I knew what you were referring to. I just wanted to see you spot that nonsense. Betting odds are not objective facts. They are subjective, very transitory and are just a means to part suckers from their money. When Lebron "might" go to the Lakers, Rockets and Sixers, all three teams betting odds went up. Guess what. The reality is there is only 1 Lebron and only 1 team was ever going to get him. The reality is that the Cavs were the Lebron losers not the Sixers. The Sixers benefit from him going West just like we and all the other teams in the East do.
You don't judge a team's offseason by fluctuating betting odds. You judge it by all the actual moves made. You judge it by the players they had last season versus the players they'll have this season. I'm the one that is dealing with reality. You're the one that knocks Redick in order to claim his re-signing isn't a big deal and yet talk about losing Ilyasova and Belinelli like it was a big deal. The reality is Redick was much more important to the Sixers winning last season.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. How they do will predominantly be driven by the growth of their young players. They should hold onto their room exception to see who becomes available during the season.
lol come on man. You know how much they helped them last regular season
I'll refer you to my post above. They helped but not as much as the easy end of season schedule did. In any case, you don't win championships in the regular season. Ilyasova and Belinelli are a lot less useful in the playoffs and if the Sixers had re-signed them you would have been trumpeting that fact in all your Sixers posts.
They literally had a really poor offseason. Struck out on Lebron, George and Leonard. Lost two bench players. Saw their biggest signing renege on the agreement. Have seen their title odds plummet. That's just realistic. Your caricature optimistic views of them are the worst kept secret on the forum.
Did I say they had a good offseason? It is clear now that George staying in OKC and Lebron going to the Lakers were done deals before free agency began. I've said previously that I wouldn't trade much for Leonard unless he gave strong indications that he'd resign. As for Bjelica, I thought them using the room exception on him wasn't a particularly good move. I think they should keep their room exception open for in-season moves. What they did right is just sign players on 1 year contracts in order to maintain their cap space for next offseason. I just said losing Ilyasova and Belinelli wasn't that big of a loss. They are bench role players with significant limitations in the playoffs.
How exactly did their title odds plummet? Losing Ilyasova, Belinelli and Bjelica certainly didn't significantly impact their title odds. Their odds are low like last season but I'd actually give them a bit better odds with Lebron going West.
Their odds literally plummeted. They opened at 7-2 because they had big hopes of improving their team and people thought they would. https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-one-early-favorites-win-nba-title-next-season
They are now 20-1 and have been passed by 4 teams. (I can't post to current odds cause they are on a betting site but I am sure someone can find media coverage of it soon). I'm giving you objective facts and your doing the same ol nonsense about how everything is great for them
the odds on June 2nd were based on people thinking that the Sixers would trade for Kawhi or acquire a big name in free agency. They were inflated then based on that belief and the public betting based on that belief. But the Sixers themselves will almost certainly be a better team next year if no other reason that Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and especially Fultz should all continue to improve as young players do. They also added a mid-tier 1st and Wilson Chandler to their bench, which should help them a great deal. They will be a better team, though I do think they are the 3rd seed again (again behind Boston and Toronto), which makes their title odds rough as they will have a better team in the 1st round (Indiana, Milwaukee, or Washington most likely), then have to play Toronto and Boston in the final 2 rounds of the East. That is a pretty difficult playoff schedule and doesn't even account for what will most likely be the Warriors in the Finals.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
Yea exactly. Confused why someone would think this was an either or?
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade. How they do will predominantly be driven by the growth of their young players. They should hold onto their room exception to see who becomes available during the season.
lol come on man. You know how much they helped them last regular season
I'll refer you to my post above. They helped but not as much as the easy end of season schedule did. In any case, you don't win championships in the regular season. Ilyasova and Belinelli are a lot less useful in the playoffs and if the Sixers had re-signed them you would have been trumpeting that fact in all your Sixers posts.
They literally had a really poor offseason. Struck out on Lebron, George and Leonard. Lost two bench players. Saw their biggest signing renege on the agreement. Have seen their title odds plummet. That's just realistic. Your caricature optimistic views of them are the worst kept secret on the forum.
Did I say they had a good offseason? It is clear now that George staying in OKC and Lebron going to the Lakers were done deals before free agency began. I've said previously that I wouldn't trade much for Leonard unless he gave strong indications that he'd resign. As for Bjelica, I thought them using the room exception on him wasn't a particularly good move. I think they should keep their room exception open for in-season moves. What they did right is just sign players on 1 year contracts in order to maintain their cap space for next offseason. I just said losing Ilyasova and Belinelli wasn't that big of a loss. They are bench role players with significant limitations in the playoffs.
How exactly did their title odds plummet? Losing Ilyasova, Belinelli and Bjelica certainly didn't significantly impact their title odds. Their odds are low like last season but I'd actually give them a bit better odds with Lebron going West.
Their odds literally plummeted. They opened at 7-2 because they had big hopes of improving their team and people thought they would. https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-one-early-favorites-win-nba-title-next-season
They are now 20-1 and have been passed by 4 teams. (I can't post to current odds cause they are on a betting site but I am sure someone can find media coverage of it soon). I'm giving you objective facts and your doing the same ol nonsense about how everything is great for them
the odds on June 2nd were based on people thinking that the Sixers would trade for Kawhi or acquire a big name in free agency. They were inflated then based on that belief and the public betting based on that belief. But the Sixers themselves will almost certainly be a better team next year if no other reason that Embiid, Simmons, Saric, and especially Fultz should all continue to improve as young players do. They also added a mid-tier 1st and Wilson Chandler to their bench, which should help them a great deal. They will be a better team, though I do think they are the 3rd seed again (again behind Boston and Toronto), which makes their title odds rough as they will have a better team in the 1st round (Indiana, Milwaukee, or Washington most likely), then have to play Toronto and Boston in the final 2 rounds of the East. That is a pretty difficult playoff schedule and doesn't even account for what will most likely be the Warriors in the Finals.
I think Philly will be a little better for the reason you mentioned in a vacuum. However I think some other teams will be a lot better. We basically signed an all star this offseason in Hayward (though coming off injury) and will see the same growth from Tatum and brown that they will see from their young guys. Toronto got a major upgrade in Leonard over demar plus a sneaky add in Danny green for the playoffs. Indiana also had a very good offseason bringing in tyreke Evans as a second ball handler and scored to compliment oladipo (he would have been great on philly). I've never said it was devastating the 76ers lost their bench guys, but it certainly hurts a little and could get them one seed lower for the playoffs which matters in a competitive conference.
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The Kawhi acquisition does close the gap a bit between them & the Celtics.
But, fully healthy, the Celtics are still the cream of the crop of the East right now. The only way I don't see them being in the '19 NBA Finals is if the injury bug hits them again.
TOR/PHI is an interesting debate. I think the Kawhi acquisition puts them a notch above PHI. Sixers didn't exactly do a whole lot to help themselves this offseason.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
Yea exactly. Confused why someone would think this was an either or?
The Sixers won the 5 games directly preceding Belinelli joining the team (and 6 of 7), the loss was to the Pacers, but they had wins over Miami, Washington, New Orleans, and LAC. Won his 1st game, but lost the next 2 before they beat Cleveland then Ilyasova joined the team. They went 3-3 in Ilyasova's first 6 games before winning 16 straight to close out the season. It should also be noted that the Sixers were at one point 15-19 on the season. When Belinelli signed on they were 30-25, so they had gone 15-6 in their prior 21 games.
Given that, I don't see how anyone could claim that the Sixers were winning because of Belinelli and Ilyasova. It is an absolutely ridiculous position to take.
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I think Toronto and Philly are at a similar level now.
The Raps were a cut below the Celtics when they had Derozan and the Celts were missing Kyrie and Hayward.
The Celts will have Kyrie and Hayward back plus another year of development for Brown and Tatum. I think that more than makes up for the upgrade of Kawhi + Green over Derozan and Poeltl.
Besides, who knows what sort of shape Kawhi will be in? He's also made clear -- already -- that he doesn't want to be in Toronto.
Another thing people are discounting entirely is that the Raps went from a Coach of the Year to a head coach with zero head coaching experience. Nick Nurse might be great, but he will take some time to become great, just like Brad Stevens did.
I don't think it's right to say that Toronto has been eliminated from the running, but the Celts sit atop the East a cut above the rest.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
Yea exactly. Confused why someone would think this was an either or?
The Sixers won the 5 games directly preceding Belinelli joining the team (and 6 of 7), the loss was to the Pacers, but they had wins over Miami, Washington, New Orleans, and LAC. Won his 1st game, but lost the next 2 before they beat Cleveland then Ilyasova joined the team. They went 3-3 in Ilyasova's first 6 games before winning 16 straight to close out the season. It should also be noted that the Sixers were at one point 15-19 on the season. When Belinelli signed on they were 30-25, so they had gone 15-6 in their prior 21 games.
Given that, I don't see how anyone could claim that the Sixers were winning because of Belinelli and Ilyasova. It is an absolutely ridiculous position to take.
Go tell all their fans on Liberty Ballers they have taken a ridiculous position, because it is pretty much the accepted position over there that Illy and Bellinelli opened up their floor for Simmons and Embiid during the regular season (they did not help during the playoffs), particularly against the weaker teams and helped them get some regular season wins. Maybe they are all wrong and ridiculous I don't know. My guess is they know a bit more than you about their team.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
Yea exactly. Confused why someone would think this was an either or?
The Sixers won the 5 games directly preceding Belinelli joining the team (and 6 of 7), the loss was to the Pacers, but they had wins over Miami, Washington, New Orleans, and LAC. Won his 1st game, but lost the next 2 before they beat Cleveland then Ilyasova joined the team. They went 3-3 in Ilyasova's first 6 games before winning 16 straight to close out the season. It should also be noted that the Sixers were at one point 15-19 on the season. When Belinelli signed on they were 30-25, so they had gone 15-6 in their prior 21 games.
Given that, I don't see how anyone could claim that the Sixers were winning because of Belinelli and Ilyasova. It is an absolutely ridiculous position to take.
Go tell all their fans on Liberty Ballers they have taken a ridiculous position, because it is pretty much the accepted position over there that Illy and Bellinelli opened up their floor for Simmons and Embiid during the regular season (they did not help during the playoffs), particularly against the weaker teams and helped them get some regular season wins. Maybe they are all wrong and ridiculous I don't know. My guess is they know a bit more than you about their team.
Fans of a team are always crazy. I seem to recall an article over there that basically said Fultz was better than adding Hayward and Irving. Fans fall in love with players. They overrate (and underrate) their value and performance all the time. I mean look at the wide range of opinions about basically every Celtic by members of this board.
The schedule got worse, Embiid, Simmons, and Saric got comfortable playing together (which started before Marco got there as evident by that 15-6 run), and the Sixers started winning. That winning continued after Marco and Ersan signed, because they are solid veteran role players, but the Sixers weren't winning because they signed a 6th and 7th man as buy out candidates. They were winning because their young guys got better and the schedule got easier.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
Yea exactly. Confused why someone would think this was an either or?
The Sixers won the 5 games directly preceding Belinelli joining the team (and 6 of 7), the loss was to the Pacers, but they had wins over Miami, Washington, New Orleans, and LAC. Won his 1st game, but lost the next 2 before they beat Cleveland then Ilyasova joined the team. They went 3-3 in Ilyasova's first 6 games before winning 16 straight to close out the season. It should also be noted that the Sixers were at one point 15-19 on the season. When Belinelli signed on they were 30-25, so they had gone 15-6 in their prior 21 games.
Given that, I don't see how anyone could claim that the Sixers were winning because of Belinelli and Ilyasova. It is an absolutely ridiculous position to take.
Go tell all their fans on Liberty Ballers they have taken a ridiculous position, because it is pretty much the accepted position over there that Illy and Bellinelli opened up their floor for Simmons and Embiid during the regular season (they did not help during the playoffs), particularly against the weaker teams and helped them get some regular season wins. Maybe they are all wrong and ridiculous I don't know. My guess is they know a bit more than you about their team.
Fans of a team are always crazy. I seem to recall an article over there that basically said Fultz was better than adding Hayward and Irving. Fans fall in love with players. They overrate (and underrate) their value and performance all the time. I mean look at the wide range of opinions about basically every Celtic by members of this board.
The schedule got worse, Embiid, Simmons, and Saric got comfortable playing together (which started before Marco got there as evident by that 15-6 run), and the Sixers started winning. That winning continued after Marco and Ersan signed, because they are solid veteran role players, but the Sixers weren't winning because they signed a 6th and 7th man as buy out candidates. They were winning because their young guys got better and the schedule got easier.
Moranis, with all due respect you are talking out of your butt on this. In April, shorthanded with Embiid hurt, Belli averaged 18.5 points during the 76ers 7-0 month shooting 43% from 3 with more than 3 makes a game. Illy was even better during this April run nearly averaging a double double with 14 points, 9 rebounds and 41% from 3 on 2 3's a game. If you are going to sit here with a straight face and say two guys combining for 32 points 5 3's and 10 rebounds while shooting over 40% from 3 didn't help them string together numerous regular season wins, I have to question your agenda and motives on it, cause i know you understand basketball better than that. Adding in the fact that you had the gall to call the take "ridiculous" and it approaches satire.
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Counting out the raptors when they just acquired a mvp level talent is odd
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
Yea exactly. Confused why someone would think this was an either or?
The Sixers won the 5 games directly preceding Belinelli joining the team (and 6 of 7), the loss was to the Pacers, but they had wins over Miami, Washington, New Orleans, and LAC. Won his 1st game, but lost the next 2 before they beat Cleveland then Ilyasova joined the team. They went 3-3 in Ilyasova's first 6 games before winning 16 straight to close out the season. It should also be noted that the Sixers were at one point 15-19 on the season. When Belinelli signed on they were 30-25, so they had gone 15-6 in their prior 21 games.
Given that, I don't see how anyone could claim that the Sixers were winning because of Belinelli and Ilyasova. It is an absolutely ridiculous position to take.
Go tell all their fans on Liberty Ballers they have taken a ridiculous position, because it is pretty much the accepted position over there that Illy and Bellinelli opened up their floor for Simmons and Embiid during the regular season (they did not help during the playoffs), particularly against the weaker teams and helped them get some regular season wins. Maybe they are all wrong and ridiculous I don't know. My guess is they know a bit more than you about their team.
Fans of a team are always crazy. I seem to recall an article over there that basically said Fultz was better than adding Hayward and Irving. Fans fall in love with players. They overrate (and underrate) their value and performance all the time. I mean look at the wide range of opinions about basically every Celtic by members of this board.
The schedule got worse, Embiid, Simmons, and Saric got comfortable playing together (which started before Marco got there as evident by that 15-6 run), and the Sixers started winning. That winning continued after Marco and Ersan signed, because they are solid veteran role players, but the Sixers weren't winning because they signed a 6th and 7th man as buy out candidates. They were winning because their young guys got better and the schedule got easier.
Moranis, with all due respect you are talking out of your butt on this. In April, shorthanded with Embiid hurt, Belli averaged 18.5 points during the 76ers 7-0 month shooting 43% from 3 with more than 3 makes a game. Illy was even better during this April run nearly averaging a double double with 14 points, 9 rebounds and 41% from 3 on 2 3's a game. If you are going to sit here with a straight face and say two guys combining for 32 points 5 3's and 10 rebounds while shooting over 40% from 3 didn't help them string together numerous regular season wins, I have to question your agenda and motives on it, cause i know you understand basketball better than that. Adding in the fact that you had the gall to call the take "ridiculous" and it approaches satire.
Fultz had a triple double down the stretch as well and the Sixers won his last 10 games in which Fultz averaged 18 mpg. I guess Fultz was the reason they won those games.
Ersan and Marco played well (I've never said otherwise), but they were the Sixers 6th and 7th man. You don't win 16 straight games because of your 6th and 7th man. They can help win a game here or there, but they are not the reason the Sixers went on a huge win streak to close the season. It is in fact a ridiculous position to take.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
Yea exactly. Confused why someone would think this was an either or?
The Sixers won the 5 games directly preceding Belinelli joining the team (and 6 of 7), the loss was to the Pacers, but they had wins over Miami, Washington, New Orleans, and LAC. Won his 1st game, but lost the next 2 before they beat Cleveland then Ilyasova joined the team. They went 3-3 in Ilyasova's first 6 games before winning 16 straight to close out the season. It should also be noted that the Sixers were at one point 15-19 on the season. When Belinelli signed on they were 30-25, so they had gone 15-6 in their prior 21 games.
Given that, I don't see how anyone could claim that the Sixers were winning because of Belinelli and Ilyasova. It is an absolutely ridiculous position to take.
Go tell all their fans on Liberty Ballers they have taken a ridiculous position, because it is pretty much the accepted position over there that Illy and Bellinelli opened up their floor for Simmons and Embiid during the regular season (they did not help during the playoffs), particularly against the weaker teams and helped them get some regular season wins. Maybe they are all wrong and ridiculous I don't know. My guess is they know a bit more than you about their team.
Fans of a team are always crazy. I seem to recall an article over there that basically said Fultz was better than adding Hayward and Irving. Fans fall in love with players. They overrate (and underrate) their value and performance all the time. I mean look at the wide range of opinions about basically every Celtic by members of this board.
The schedule got worse, Embiid, Simmons, and Saric got comfortable playing together (which started before Marco got there as evident by that 15-6 run), and the Sixers started winning. That winning continued after Marco and Ersan signed, because they are solid veteran role players, but the Sixers weren't winning because they signed a 6th and 7th man as buy out candidates. They were winning because their young guys got better and the schedule got easier.
Moranis, with all due respect you are talking out of your butt on this. In April, shorthanded with Embiid hurt, Belli averaged 18.5 points during the 76ers 7-0 month shooting 43% from 3 with more than 3 makes a game. Illy was even better during this April run nearly averaging a double double with 14 points, 9 rebounds and 41% from 3 on 2 3's a game. If you are going to sit here with a straight face and say two guys combining for 32 points 5 3's and 10 rebounds while shooting over 40% from 3 didn't help them string together numerous regular season wins, I have to question your agenda and motives on it, cause i know you understand basketball better than that. Adding in the fact that you had the gall to call the take "ridiculous" and it approaches satire.
Fultz had a triple double down the stretch as well and the Sixers won his last 10 games in which Fultz averaged 18 mpg. I guess Fultz was the reason they won those games.
Ersan and Marco played well (I've never said otherwise), but they were the Sixers 6th and 7th man. You don't win 16 straight games because of your 6th and 7th man. They can help win a game here or there, but they are not the reason the Sixers went on a huge win streak to close the season. It is in fact a ridiculous position to take.
Fultz had a triple double in the last season of the game when the Bucks benched their players in the second quarter and had Sterling Brown playing 33 minutes to lead the squad. You are really weakening any argument by trying to bring that in to mean anything. Triple double nonsense aside, you could convince me that Fultz helped them win a few regular season games though. That being said, said guys playing 30 minutes a game and averaging a combined 32 points a game during half the win streak not being a major factor is a pretty basic premise. Seems like your just being stubborn in refusing to admit and probably didn't realize how well they played. If you want to say me and all the 76ers fans that regularly acknowledge these guys were big factors in their success during the regular season grind are taking a ridiculous position, have fun dying on the hill buddy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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IDK, I wouldn't sleep on the Pacers. They took the Cavs to 7 and added to their roster. I think the C's can beat them, but they could be a legit #2-#3 in the conference.
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IDK, I wouldn't sleep on the Pacers. They took the Cavs to 7 and added to their roster. I think the C's can beat them, but they could be a legit #2-#3 in the conference.
I agree. I think Evans was a great get for there roster. I also think people don't realize that Turner is 2 full years younger than Embiid and still improving. Kyle O'Quinn was a really nice get as a backup also. I think they could be very good next year.
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IDK, I wouldn't sleep on the Pacers. They took the Cavs to 7 and added to their roster. I think the C's can beat them, but they could be a legit #2-#3 in the conference.
I agree. I think Evans was a great get for there roster. I also think people don't realize that Turner is 2 full years younger than Embiid and still improving. Kyle O'Quinn was a really nice get as a backup also. I think they could be very good next year.
I'd put the Pacers up there with anybody outside of Philly, Toronto, or Boston.
I like what they've done with their roster a lot, and they could win 50+ in the regular season. I just don't really fear a team with Oladipo as its only elite scorer. Keep in mind I really like Oladipo, since before he played for the Pacers.
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IDK, I wouldn't sleep on the Pacers. They took the Cavs to 7 and added to their roster. I think the C's can beat them, but they could be a legit #2-#3 in the conference.
I think they battle it out with Milwaukee for HCA.
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IDK, I wouldn't sleep on the Pacers. They took the Cavs to 7 and added to their roster. I think the C's can beat them, but they could be a legit #2-#3 in the conference.
I agree. I think Evans was a great get for there roster. I also think people don't realize that Turner is 2 full years younger than Embiid and still improving. Kyle O'Quinn was a really nice get as a backup also. I think they could be very good next year.
I'd put the Pacers up there with anybody outside of Philly, Toronto, or Boston.
I like what they've done with their roster a lot, and they could win 50+ in the regular season. I just don't really fear a team with Oladipo as its only elite scorer. Keep in mind I really like Oladipo, since before he played for the Pacers.
Tyreke Evans averaged near 20 points in 31 minutes last year shooting 40% from 3. Then you get another leap from Turner and that is a pretty decent amount of scoring, no?
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
Yea exactly. Confused why someone would think this was an either or?
The Sixers won the 5 games directly preceding Belinelli joining the team (and 6 of 7), the loss was to the Pacers, but they had wins over Miami, Washington, New Orleans, and LAC. Won his 1st game, but lost the next 2 before they beat Cleveland then Ilyasova joined the team. They went 3-3 in Ilyasova's first 6 games before winning 16 straight to close out the season. It should also be noted that the Sixers were at one point 15-19 on the season. When Belinelli signed on they were 30-25, so they had gone 15-6 in their prior 21 games.
Given that, I don't see how anyone could claim that the Sixers were winning because of Belinelli and Ilyasova. It is an absolutely ridiculous position to take.
Go tell all their fans on Liberty Ballers they have taken a ridiculous position, because it is pretty much the accepted position over there that Illy and Bellinelli opened up their floor for Simmons and Embiid during the regular season (they did not help during the playoffs), particularly against the weaker teams and helped them get some regular season wins. Maybe they are all wrong and ridiculous I don't know. My guess is they know a bit more than you about their team.
Are these the same Liberty Ballers that had endless Noel vs. Okafor debates? Are these the same Liberty Ballers that wanted to pay Noel 20M per year to be a backup behind Embiid? There is a lot of nonsense posted over there just like there is over here. Even so I don't remember seeing much griping over there about losing Ilyasova and Belinelli especially considering their contract offers.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating in the league. Their problem was the big drop off when they went to the bench. The Sixers bench lost multiple big 4th quarter leads. Ilyasova and Belinelli were picked up after the trade deadline to improve their bench play which they did during the regular season but not during the playoffs. No one is disputing that they helped the Sixers but to act like they are a big loss is just not reality. They are both imminently replaceable.
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Think Philly took a step back this offseason so far..lost Bellinelli and Ersan..added no one except draft players
Don't think losing Belli and Ersan, who were post trade deadline pickups, is much of a loss. They picked up Wilson Chandler via trade.
You can tell you're definitely a Sixers fan with this one!
The Sixers went 20-3 with Ilyasova both and Belinelli and were 32-27 prior to their arrival. They providing spacing and high IQ play, things that will heavily missed.
Chandler isn't the best on that team. As his athletic ability has waned, his best position now is small ball 4, positions that Simmons and Saric are also best suited for. In addition, his ability to stretch the floor isn't that good. His last 4 seasons he's shot the following from 3:
34.8
34.2
33.7
35.8
Their spacing is definitely going to take a huge hit!
Strong post eddie.
come on now, you have been going on for months about the Sixers schedule down the stretch sucked. Which is it, did the schedule suck or were Ilyasova and Bellinelli the key to that success? You can't have it both ways.
Why can't you have it both ways? multiple things go into a hot stretch.
Yea exactly. Confused why someone would think this was an either or?
The Sixers won the 5 games directly preceding Belinelli joining the team (and 6 of 7), the loss was to the Pacers, but they had wins over Miami, Washington, New Orleans, and LAC. Won his 1st game, but lost the next 2 before they beat Cleveland then Ilyasova joined the team. They went 3-3 in Ilyasova's first 6 games before winning 16 straight to close out the season. It should also be noted that the Sixers were at one point 15-19 on the season. When Belinelli signed on they were 30-25, so they had gone 15-6 in their prior 21 games.
Given that, I don't see how anyone could claim that the Sixers were winning because of Belinelli and Ilyasova. It is an absolutely ridiculous position to take.
Go tell all their fans on Liberty Ballers they have taken a ridiculous position, because it is pretty much the accepted position over there that Illy and Bellinelli opened up their floor for Simmons and Embiid during the regular season (they did not help during the playoffs), particularly against the weaker teams and helped them get some regular season wins. Maybe they are all wrong and ridiculous I don't know. My guess is they know a bit more than you about their team.
Are these the same Liberty Ballers that had endless Noel vs. Okafor debates? Are these the same Liberty Ballers that wanted to pay Noel 20M per year to be a backup behind Embiid? There is a lot of nonsense posted over there just like there is over here. Even so I don't remember seeing much griping over there about losing Ilyasova and Belinelli especially considering their contract offers.
The Sixers starting 5 had the best net rating in the league. Their problem was the big drop off when they went to the bench. The Sixers bench lost multiple big 4th quarter leads. Ilyasova and Belinelli were picked up after the trade deadline to improve their bench play which they did during the regular season but not during the playoffs. No one is disputing that they helped the Sixers but to act like they are a big loss is just not reality. They are both imminently replaceable.
We were discussing how many wins the two helped them get in the regular season last year. Now surprise surprise Embiid missed their last 9+ wins cause he was injured, and these bench players helped them win those games. Thank you for your irrelevant pro-philly comment again.
Also I don't see what is weird about them debating Okafor versus Noel. Any team in the league would have their fans debate the two players if they picked centers in the lottery and were both on the team competing for the same spot. Swing and a miss.
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Other teams tanking and not worrying about standings is what helped them the most to win games down the stretch. I thought their bench got stronger mid season, too but that strength is gone largely. They have some nice pieces but are have flaws here and there. Simmons can't shoot and does not have a great winning drive. Embiid is great but has brittle health. Fultz is a mess and also lack the winning drive.
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celtics trounced this philly team in 5 games without Kyrie/Hayward.....and they will be rolling out essentially the same team next season.
I dont see them as a threat. They are a media hyped team. They probably had the worst off-season of most top teams.
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celtics trounced this philly team in 5 games without Kyrie/Hayward.....and they will be rolling out essentially the same team next season.
I dont see them as a threat. They are a media hyped team. They probably had the worst off-season of most top teams.
The Cavs lost Lebron. Houston lost Ariza and "at best" they are going to replace him with Melo. They still haven't resigned Capella so that could go bad. And yet the Sixers probably had the worst off-season of top teams???? The Sixers rolling out essentially the same 52-win team is not a negative when that team consists of a bunch of young players with considerable upside. The reality distortion field on here is extremely strong regarding the Sixers.
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During the regular season and the East's playoffs - the only team the C's need to be worried about are - - - - - - - themselves.
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IDK, I wouldn't sleep on the Pacers. They took the Cavs to 7 and added to their roster. I think the C's can beat them, but they could be a legit #2-#3 in the conference.
I agree. I think Evans was a great get for there roster. I also think people don't realize that Turner is 2 full years younger than Embiid and still improving. Kyle O'Quinn was a really nice get as a backup also. I think they could be very good next year.
I'd put the Pacers up there with anybody outside of Philly, Toronto, or Boston.
I like what they've done with their roster a lot, and they could win 50+ in the regular season. I just don't really fear a team with Oladipo as its only elite scorer. Keep in mind I really like Oladipo, since before he played for the Pacers.
Tyreke Evans averaged near 20 points in 31 minutes last year shooting 40% from 3. Then you get another leap from Turner and that is a pretty decent amount of scoring, no?
Regular season, sure. Doesn't scare me in the playoffs.
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IDK, I wouldn't sleep on the Pacers. They took the Cavs to 7 and added to their roster. I think the C's can beat them, but they could be a legit #2-#3 in the conference.
I agree. I think Evans was a great get for there roster. I also think people don't realize that Turner is 2 full years younger than Embiid and still improving. Kyle O'Quinn was a really nice get as a backup also. I think they could be very good next year.
I'd put the Pacers up there with anybody outside of Philly, Toronto, or Boston.
I like what they've done with their roster a lot, and they could win 50+ in the regular season. I just don't really fear a team with Oladipo as its only elite scorer. Keep in mind I really like Oladipo, since before he played for the Pacers.
Tyreke Evans averaged near 20 points in 31 minutes last year shooting 40% from 3. Then you get another leap from Turner and that is a pretty decent amount of scoring, no?
Regular season, sure. Doesn't scare me in the playoffs.
I'm with you here. I don't think Indiana is going to be any sort of threat to the C's. I also don't see them winning many more games then they won last year as I think they overachieved and believe teams will start to figure them out.
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https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cavaliers-reportedly-talking-trade-sending-115535627.html
Wouldn't like that at all.
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If they add Korver we will still beat them.
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If they add Korver we will still beat them.
I think so, too, but having Redick and Korver adding spacing would be deadly. The 76ers should make this happen.
Adding Korver would take this from a poor off-season to a pretty good one.
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celtics trounced this philly team in 5 games without Kyrie/Hayward.....and they will be rolling out essentially the same team next season.
I dont see them as a threat. They are a media hyped team. They probably had the worst off-season of most top teams.
The Cavs lost Lebron. Houston lost Ariza and "at best" they are going to replace him with Melo. They still haven't resigned Capella so that could go bad. And yet the Sixers probably had the worst off-season of top teams???? The Sixers rolling out essentially the same 52-win team is not a negative when that team consists of a bunch of young players with considerable upside. The reality distortion field on here is extremely strong regarding the Sixers.
The Celtics are adding Gordon Hayward to their team this offseason and were able to bring back both Smart and Baynes went few thought we would. The Warriors got Cousins. The Raptors got Green and Leonard for Demarr. Depends whether you think Carmelo is completely cooked or not, but I do think losing Ariza will hurt them. The Thunder got Noel, Schroeder and brought George back I think it is fair to say of the top 6 teams for champs odds the 76ers had the second worst off season. Certainly not as distorted as you make it sound, but few things are.
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If they add Korver we will still beat them.
I think so, too, but having Redick and Korver adding spacing would be deadly. The 76ers should make this happen.
Adding Korver would take this from a poor off-season to a pretty good one.
Bit surprised people are this amped about Korver. He scored 6 points and hit 1 3 pointer in the entire finals and is going to be 38 in March. Can he really even move the needle at all? Not to mention absolutely abysmal defense at his age.
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celtics trounced this philly team in 5 games without Kyrie/Hayward.....and they will be rolling out essentially the same team next season.
I dont see them as a threat. They are a media hyped team. They probably had the worst off-season of most top teams.
The Cavs lost Lebron. Houston lost Ariza and "at best" they are going to replace him with Melo. They still haven't resigned Capella so that could go bad. And yet the Sixers probably had the worst off-season of top teams???? The Sixers rolling out essentially the same 52-win team is not a negative when that team consists of a bunch of young players with considerable upside. The reality distortion field on here is extremely strong regarding the Sixers.
It's more about expectations. People were talking about Philly adding two of: Lebron, Kawhi, George. To go from hoping that you add 1-2 superstars to only bringing back Redick, I can see why people think Philly had a bad off-season.
It was always assumed that Lebron would leave CLE and a Melo for Ariza swap is doable for HOU. Simply putting out the same team (minus Bellinelli and Ilyasova) is a pretty big let down for Philly fans. Adding Korver would be nice, but he would essentially just be replacing Bellinelli.
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Live shot of Brad Stevens thinking about gameplanning offensive sets against a lineup featuring both Redick and Korver:
(https://i2.wp.com/media2.giphy.com/media/3o84U2bzCpVvrX3FbW/giphy.gif)
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If they add Korver we will still beat them.
I think so, too, but having Redick and Korver adding spacing would be deadly. The 76ers should make this happen.
Adding Korver would take this from a poor off-season to a pretty good one.
Bit surprised people are this amped about Korver. He scored 6 points and hit 1 3 pointer in the entire finals and is going to be 38 in March. Can he really even move the needle at all? Not to mention absolutely abysmal defense at his age.
Funny you count Belinelli as a big loss for the Sixers but now you say Korver wouldn't move the needle at all. Belinelli is a worse shooter and a worse defender than Korver.
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Live shot of Brad Stevens thinking about gameplanning offensive sets against a lineup featuring both Redick and Korver:
(https://i2.wp.com/media2.giphy.com/media/3o84U2bzCpVvrX3FbW/giphy.gif)
Why would them play them together? The Sixers starting lineup was great last season. Korver would just backup Redick.
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Funny you count Belinelli as a big loss for the Sixers but now you say Korver wouldn't move the needle at all. Belinelli is a worse shooter and a worse defender than Korver.
Bellini did not allow us them to beat us neither will Korver. So it does not matter if they add them. Neither of them are good defenders. Korver as you say is the better shooter. Belinelli can pass and drive better and is the more versatile of the two. He also scored 4 more points a game than Korver last year.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/belinma01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/korveky01.html
Korver is old, 37 years old. Belinelli is 32. I feel really sorry for you if you don't realize that older players sometimes decline. The wheels could come off Korver any day as 37 is really old for a player.
How funny is that?
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Funny you count Belinelli as a big loss for the Sixers but now you say Korver wouldn't move the needle at all. Belinelli is a worse shooter and a worse defender than Korver.
Bellini did not allow us them to beat us neither will Korver. So it does not matter if they add them.
Korver is old, 37 years old. Belinelli is 32. I feel really sorry for you if you don't realize that older players sometimes decline. The wheels could come off Korver any day as 37 is really old for a player.
How funny is that?
Yea this guy is becoming a bit over the top not even really sure what his goal is beyond defending against any perceived slight against a rival of the Celtics on a Celtics forum... seems pretty weird
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celtics trounced this philly team in 5 games without Kyrie/Hayward.....and they will be rolling out essentially the same team next season.
I dont see them as a threat. They are a media hyped team. They probably had the worst off-season of most top teams.
The Cavs lost Lebron. Houston lost Ariza and "at best" they are going to replace him with Melo. They still haven't resigned Capella so that could go bad. And yet the Sixers probably had the worst off-season of top teams???? The Sixers rolling out essentially the same 52-win team is not a negative when that team consists of a bunch of young players with considerable upside. The reality distortion field on here is extremely strong regarding the Sixers.
It's more about expectations. People were talking about Philly adding two of: Lebron, Kawhi, George. To go from hoping that you add 1-2 superstars to only bringing back Redick, I can see why people think Philly had a bad off-season.
It was always assumed that Lebron would leave CLE and a Melo for Ariza swap is doable for HOU. Simply putting out the same team (minus Bellinelli and Ilyasova) is a pretty big let down for Philly fans. Adding Korver would be nice, but he would essentially just be replacing Bellinelli.
TP
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celtics trounced this philly team in 5 games without Kyrie/Hayward.....and they will be rolling out essentially the same team next season.
I dont see them as a threat. They are a media hyped team. They probably had the worst off-season of most top teams.
The Cavs lost Lebron. Houston lost Ariza and "at best" they are going to replace him with Melo. They still haven't resigned Capella so that could go bad. And yet the Sixers probably had the worst off-season of top teams???? The Sixers rolling out essentially the same 52-win team is not a negative when that team consists of a bunch of young players with considerable upside. The reality distortion field on here is extremely strong regarding the Sixers.
The Celtics are adding Gordon Hayward to their team this offseason and were able to bring back both Smart and Baynes went few thought we would. The Warriors got Cousins. The Raptors got Green and Leonard for Demarr. Depends whether you think Carmelo is completely cooked or not, but I do think losing Ariza will hurt them. The Thunder got Noel, Schroeder and brought George back I think it is fair to say of the top 6 teams for champs odds the 76ers had the second worst off season. Certainly not as distorted as you make it sound, but few things are.
Gordon coming back from injury should help us a lot but it doesn't count towards our offseason grade. I thought it was quite likely that both Smart and Baynes would be back. I never thought there was much of a market for Smart this offseason. The question in my mind was whether Smart would end up back on the QO. Houston made significant improvement on defense last season. Carmelo and Harden on the court together is going to be a big step back. Bringing back George was obviously good for OKC but don't think much about adding Noel and Schroeder.
I'd say the Sixers offseason is definitely better than the Cavs and Houston. GSW signing Cousins may not be meaningful at all. Who knows when he'll come back and at what level he'll play. In any case, he's almost certainly just going to be there this year.
Significant Sixers offseason moves have been:
Draft Bridges and trade him for Smith and an unprotected 2021 1st. I'd put Bridges and Smith on the same tier of draft prospect although Bridges is more ready to contribute now. Picking up an unprotected 1st makes this a good offseason move.
Redick resigning on a significantly smaller 1 year deal is also a good offseason move.
Lost Ilyasova and Belinelli and traded TLC and Anderson. However acquired Muscalla and Chandler. I'd say this is a wash so far. If the Korver for Bayless trade gets done, it becomes a positive move for the Sixers and they still have the room exception to use.
It isn't the pie in the sky offseason but that is still a pretty good offseason.
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Funny you count Belinelli as a big loss for the Sixers but now you say Korver wouldn't move the needle at all. Belinelli is a worse shooter and a worse defender than Korver.
Bellini did not allow us them to beat us neither will Korver. So it does not matter if they add them.
Korver is old, 37 years old. Belinelli is 32. I feel really sorry for you if you don't realize that older players sometimes decline. The wheels could come off Korver any day as 37 is really old for a player.
How funny is that?
Yea this guy is becoming a bit over the top not even really sure what his goal is beyond defending against any perceived slight against a rival of the Celtics on a Celtics forum... seems pretty weird
You're the one that is always posting a one sided negative view of the Sixers. Trying to knock the Redick signing as nothing much and then playing up losing Belinelli and Ilyasova as a being loss shows how out of balance your view point is.
I don't think I've started a Sixers related thread the whole time I've been on here except maybe one or two on Embiid. The same cannot be said for you. If the Sixers had signed Lebron, you would have posted it was no big deal because Lebron, Simmons and Embiid are a horrible fit...
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Funny you count Belinelli as a big loss for the Sixers but now you say Korver wouldn't move the needle at all. Belinelli is a worse shooter and a worse defender than Korver.
Bellini did not allow us them to beat us neither will Korver. So it does not matter if they add them.
Korver is old, 37 years old. Belinelli is 32. I feel really sorry for you if you don't realize that older players sometimes decline. The wheels could come off Korver any day as 37 is really old for a player.
How funny is that?
Yea this guy is becoming a bit over the top not even really sure what his goal is beyond defending against any perceived slight against a rival of the Celtics on a Celtics forum... seems pretty weird
You're the one that is always posting a one sided negative view of the Sixers. Trying to knock the Redick signing as nothing much and then playing up losing Belinelli and Ilyasova as a being loss shows how out of balance your view point is.
I don't think I've started a Sixers related thread the whole time I've been on here except maybe one or two on Embiid. The same cannot be said for you. If the Sixers had signed Lebron, you would have posted it was no big deal because Lebron, Simmons and Embiid are a horrible fit...
thank you for telling me what you think i would post on this board. This adds a lot to the board for everyone.
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You're the one that is always posting a one sided negative view of the Sixers. Trying to knock the Redick signing as nothing much and then playing up losing Belinelli and Ilyasova as a being loss shows how out of balance your view point is.
I don't think I've started a Sixers related thread the whole time I've been on here except maybe one or two on Embiid. The same cannot be said for you. If the Sixers had signed Lebron, you would have posted it was no big deal because Lebron, Simmons and Embiid are a horrible fit...
You sure seem defensive of the Sixers are they are second favorite team perhaps? I don't have one, I dislike any team not the Celtics. My son loves the Celtics but he likes Embiid. So I realize others here like other teams. For a guy my age, the Sixers, Lakers will always be foes. Also, any team LeBron plays for.
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You're the one that is always posting a one sided negative view of the Sixers. Trying to knock the Redick signing as nothing much and then playing up losing Belinelli and Ilyasova as a being loss shows how out of balance your view point is.
I don't think I've started a Sixers related thread the whole time I've been on here except maybe one or two on Embiid. The same cannot be said for you. If the Sixers had signed Lebron, you would have posted it was no big deal because Lebron, Simmons and Embiid are a horrible fit...
You sure seem defensive of the Sixers are they are second favorite team perhaps? I don't have one, I dislike any team not the Celtics. My son loves the Celtics but he likes Embiid. So I realize others here like other teams. For a guy my age, the Sixers, Lakers will always be foes. Also, any team LeBron plays for.
Hate the Lakers. Otherwise I don't have any inherent dislike for any teams. Besides the Celtics, I follow certain players so I follow their teams. Embiid and Rondo are my favorite players right now. So you could say the Sixers are my 2nd favorite team right now but it is predominantly about Embiid. I did like and agree with The Process. The Lakers are the bridge too far. Can't root for them even though they have Rondo and Ingram who I also like.
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Embiid and Rondo are my favorite players right now. So you could say the Sixers are my 2nd favorite team right now but it is predominantly about Embiid.
Yeah, my son likes Embiid, too. Mainly for his tweets but I can tell he likes him, too. Nothing wrong with it. Now I despise the Sixers from way back.
I am with you on the Lakers, I hate them and hate them even more that LeBron is there.
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Embiid and Rondo are my favorite players right now. So you could say the Sixers are my 2nd favorite team right now but it is predominantly about Embiid.
Yeah, my son likes Embiid, too. Mainly for his tweets but I can tell he likes him, too. Nothing wrong with it. Now I despise the Sixers from way back.
I am with you on the Lakers, I hate them and hate them even more that LeBron is there.
I was hooked on Embiid from his college play. The raw talent was evident as was his aptitude for learning. I knew his background but there wasn't much on his personality except the story of him telling people that he killed a lion at age 10 in some tribal right of passage when in fact he was a middle class kid. I'm not into social media but I do keep track of him.
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celtics trounced this philly team in 5 games without Kyrie/Hayward.....and they will be rolling out essentially the same team next season.
I dont see them as a threat. They are a media hyped team. They probably had the worst off-season of most top teams.
The Cavs lost Lebron. Houston lost Ariza and "at best" they are going to replace him with Melo. They still haven't resigned Capella so that could go bad. And yet the Sixers probably had the worst off-season of top teams???? The Sixers rolling out essentially the same 52-win team is not a negative when that team consists of a bunch of young players with considerable upside. The reality distortion field on here is extremely strong regarding the Sixers.
this is about the playoffs. and a 52 win team that got trounced in 5 games in the playoffs actually lost difference makers while other teams got better. they missed out on the big free agents to move the needle in the east.
Right now I have them below the Celtics and Raptors
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Embiid and Rondo are my favorite players right now. So you could say the Sixers are my 2nd favorite team right now but it is predominantly about Embiid.
Yeah, my son likes Embiid, too.
My son loves Embiid as well. Unfortunately for him, our family's Olympic size pool is ONLY for Celtics fans who only love Celtics players. He can read Embiid's hysterical tweets from the patio while the rest of us enjoy the pool.
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If they add Korver we will still beat them.
I think so, too, but having Redick and Korver adding spacing would be deadly. The 76ers should make this happen.
Adding Korver would take this from a poor off-season to a pretty good one.
I think you're overrating the impact that Korver would have, but time may give us the answer to that.
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GSW signing Cousins may not be meaningful at all.
Just a note: the above is true about every single instance of player movement.
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GSW signing Cousins may not be meaningful at all.
Just a note: the above is true about every single instance of player movement.
That's probably true but with the injury Cousins suffered and the way some people are talking his signing like it's destroyed the NBA, this particular instance is worthy of singling out and mentioning.
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Embiid and Rondo are my favorite players right now. So you could say the Sixers are my 2nd favorite team right now but it is predominantly about Embiid.
Yeah, my son likes Embiid, too.
My son loves Embiid as well. Unfortunately for him, our family's Olympic size pool is ONLY for Celtics fans who only love Celtics players. He can read Embiid's hysterical tweets from the patio while the rest of us enjoy the pool.
I like Embid as a player. His personality off the court leaves a lot to be desired. When he was trying to trash talk Baynes in the ECF for getting dunked on after the Celtics had sent him home I realized he just didn't get it. We will never find out but you have to wonder if all the trash talk, social media stuff and Simmons dating a Jenner was part of the reason none of the vet stars wanted to go there.
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GSW signing Cousins may not be meaningful at all.
Just a note: the above is true about every single instance of player movement.
That's probably true but with the injury Cousins suffered and the way some people are talking his signing like it's destroyed the NBA, this particular instance is worthy of singling out and mentioning.
Isn't cousins at 50% still better than Zaza/McGhee? When you are already dominating the NBA even a small I
Provement in the margins is significant
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celtics trounced this philly team in 5 games without Kyrie/Hayward.....and they will be rolling out essentially the same team next season.
I dont see them as a threat. They are a media hyped team. They probably had the worst off-season of most top teams.
The Cavs lost Lebron. Houston lost Ariza and "at best" they are going to replace him with Melo. They still haven't resigned Capella so that could go bad. And yet the Sixers probably had the worst off-season of top teams???? The Sixers rolling out essentially the same 52-win team is not a negative when that team consists of a bunch of young players with considerable upside. The reality distortion field on here is extremely strong regarding the Sixers.
this is about the playoffs. and a 52 win team that got trounced in 5 games in the playoffs actually lost difference makers while other teams got better. they missed out on the big free agents to move the needle in the east.
Right now I have them below the Celtics and Raptors
We did win in 5 games but to say we trounced them is a stretch. 3 of the 4 wins were 5 points or less including one in overtime. The conversation hasn't been focused on the playoffs. If it was, my argument gets even stronger because Ilyasova and Belinelli were not positive difference makers in the playoffs. Belinelli's defense was a huge negative. Neither shot particularly well in the playoffs.
Right now I have us clearly at the top and then the Raptors slightly ahead of the Sixers but there are a lot of variables with the Raptors.
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GSW signing Cousins may not be meaningful at all.
Just a note: the above is true about every single instance of player movement.
That's probably true but with the injury Cousins suffered and the way some people are talking his signing like it's destroyed the NBA, this particular instance is worthy of singling out and mentioning.
Isn't cousins at 50% still better than Zaza/McGhee? When you are already dominating the NBA even a small I
Provement in the margins is significant
Yeah, I agree that Cousins at 50% is still a better basketball player than Zaza/McGee.
But I would qualify that by asking what Cousins' effect is on his teammates. What if his attitude has a negative effect on his teammates' play making his addition, even though he's an upgrade a center, a net downgrade for the team?
Or maybe he never gets to 50%. I've heard quite a range of possibilities with this injury.
He could be a monster this year. Or he could, as mentioned before, not wind up being a meaningful addition.
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GSW signing Cousins may not be meaningful at all.
Just a note: the above is true about every single instance of player movement.
That's probably true but with the injury Cousins suffered and the way some people are talking his signing like it's destroyed the NBA, this particular instance is worthy of singling out and mentioning.
If Cousins is Cousins, it's pretty much lights out for the league. So saying that signing him might not be meaningful is about injury or incomplete return from injury. It's saying that if a player doesn't recover from injury, it's not a big signing. That's always true, but it's also true that any player can get injured and waste a year or years (See Hayward, Gordon.).
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GSW signing Cousins may not be meaningful at all.
Just a note: the above is true about every single instance of player movement.
That's probably true but with the injury Cousins suffered and the way some people are talking his signing like it's destroyed the NBA, this particular instance is worthy of singling out and mentioning.
Isn't cousins at 50% still better than Zaza/McGhee? When you are already dominating the NBA even a small I
Provement in the margins is significant
Yeah, I agree that Cousins at 50% is still a better basketball player than Zaza/McGee.
But I would qualify that by asking what Cousins' effect is on his teammates. What if his attitude has a negative effect on his teammates' play making his addition, even though he's an upgrade a center, a net downgrade for the team?
Or maybe he never gets to 50%. I've heard quite a range of possibilities with this injury.
He could be a monster this year. Or he could, as mentioned before, not wind up being a meaningful addition.
GSW is already a huge favorite to repeat. The injury is a big issue because it is an Achilles injury. Who knows when he'll come back and what he'll look like if he does. His attitude is another issue. There's also his lackadaisical effort on defense. There's also only 1 ball on the court and I'd much rather have the ball in Curry's or KD's hands.
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GSW signing Cousins may not be meaningful at all.
Just a note: the above is true about every single instance of player movement.
That's probably true but with the injury Cousins suffered and the way some people are talking his signing like it's destroyed the NBA, this particular instance is worthy of singling out and mentioning.
If Cousins is Cousins, it's pretty much lights out for the league. So saying that signing him might not be meaningful is about injury or incomplete return from injury. It's saying that if a player doesn't recover from injury, it's not a big signing. That's always true, but it's also true that any player can get injured and waste a year or years (See Hayward, Gordon.).
Like I said above, this is true. But given the injury Cousins suffered and his history, it's particularly relevant to his situation.
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The Leonard addition to Toronto is being overrated. He isn't going to catapult that team into another level. He's not that significant an upgrade.
Phlly's rating is based more on projection than production. That was not a particularly good team last year, but people are expecting major improvement from Simmons and Embiid, and are expecting Fultz to be a player.
In the end, if the Raptors keep Leonard for the season, and teams in the Eastern Conference don't make any more major moves, Toronto should be Boston's closest challenger this season, but Boston should take them out in 5 come playoff time.
I just wanted to acknowledge how wrong I was on this one. "Missed by a mile" doesn't even begin to cover it.
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The Leonard addition to Toronto is being overrated. He isn't going to catapult that team into another level. He's not that significant an upgrade.
Phlly's rating is based more on projection than production. That was not a particularly good team last year, but people are expecting major improvement from Simmons and Embiid, and are expecting Fultz to be a player.
In the end, if the Raptors keep Leonard for the season, and teams in the Eastern Conference don't make any more major moves, Toronto should be Boston's closest challenger this season, but Boston should take them out in 5 come playoff time.
I just wanted to acknowledge how wrong I was on this one. "Missed by a mile" doesn't even begin to cover it.
I think many of us overrated the Celtics being absolute contenders this season after last season's showing and the return of Irving and Hayward.
Toronto definitely got better with Leonard. Philly got their Big 4. Milwaukee suddenly jumped from 7 seed to 1 seed and a monster athlete in Giannis.