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« on: January 23, 2021, 12:51:12 AM »

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Is it too soon to evaluate this?  Or have we seen enough?

The rumored deal was Hayward for Turner + McDermott + #1

Turner: 12 points / 7 rebounds / 4 blocks
McDermott: 13 points / 4 rebounds / 39% 3PT%

Tristan Thompson probably would not be here.  Would we have used the MLE?  It’s hard to say, but probably not, so as to stay under the tax.

Turner / Theis / Timelord
Tatum / Williams
McDermott
Brown / Smart
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague

In its most basic form, the question is would you rather have Turner, McDermott, a #1, and our two second rounders, or Thompson plus the TPE?  To date, that seems like an easy choice.

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Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2021, 01:00:18 AM »

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I was under the impression that all of this became irrelevant when Hayward chose to go to Charlotte.

Did I miss something?  Was there a point at which we could have completed a deal with Indy?

Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
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I was under the impression that all of this became irrelevant when Hayward chose to go to Charlotte.

Did I miss something?  Was there a point at which we could have completed a deal with Indy?

It’s hard to say, but Indy’s GM strongly implied that Hayward would have been a Pacer had the Celtics agreed to terms.


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Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2021, 02:10:28 AM »

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I was under the impression that all of this became irrelevant when Hayward chose to go to Charlotte.

Did I miss something?  Was there a point at which we could have completed a deal with Indy?

It’s hard to say, but Indy’s GM strongly implied that Hayward would have been a Pacer had the Celtics agreed to terms.

Then it seems like Ainge whiffed out on this.

And it will be on him when this season becomes derailed. Reminding me of the 2019 Kyrie Celtics, a slow-dying season which became a disappointing mid-playoff exit.


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Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2021, 02:15:14 AM »

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Yes, it's too soon.

Need to see whether Ainge uses the TPE and if so what he uses it on.

Also need to take into account that a big part of the reason they didn't do the deal, reportedly, is they didn't see Turner as an asset at his salary figure. Will the team make use of having greater relative flexibility on the cap or not?
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I was under the impression that all of this became irrelevant when Hayward chose to go to Charlotte.

Did I miss something?  Was there a point at which we could have completed a deal with Indy?

It’s hard to say, but Indy’s GM strongly implied that Hayward would have been a Pacer had the Celtics agreed to terms.

Then it seems like Ainge whiffed out on this.

And it will be on him when this season becomes derailed. Reminding me of the 2019 Kyrie Celtics, a slow-dying season which became a disappointing mid-playoff exit.


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Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2021, 02:20:47 AM »

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Because I don’t really believe in TPE’s, I’d say this was a whiff. Turner would’ve fit our play style a lot more (weak in rebounds, good shooting, mobile on the floor) and McDermott would’ve provided some shooting (because Nesmith can’t). TT hasn’t been bad but that’s a lot of talent we could’ve had.

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Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2021, 03:07:42 AM »

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Yeah, not looking good in hindsight.

Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2021, 04:17:54 AM »

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I truly believe Hayward wanted to go to Indy but Ainge wanted to keep him so Ainge stick it to Hayward by not trading him to Pacers..
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Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2021, 05:06:50 AM »

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My take is Danny stupidly played hardball thinking that GH was hell bent on going to Indiana that he held off and wanted to include Dipo...then suddenly Jordan swooped in with his offer that GH and his agent could not say no to...

Had danny says fck it and immediately took on the deal as it was then Turner and Mcdermont are playing for the Cs right now.

Danny was so overconfident bout getting more from the Pacers that it backed fired on him.

I have no confidence in danny what so ever unless he gets a top 10 pick...everything else he has done was graded fair or bad but never good if you never include the top 3 picks he got from the Nets.

He wiffed on trading Cryrie when he had the chance...no make it actually he should never have traded for Cryrie in the first place then we could have had Sexton or SGA now.

its just one bad move after another and we are actually no closer to banner 18 now than we were in the last 6 yrs.

Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
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My take is Danny stupidly played hardball thinking that GH was hell bent on going to Indiana that he held off and wanted to include Dipo...then suddenly Jordan swooped in with his offer that GH and his agent could not say no to...

Had danny says fck it and immediately took on the deal as it was then Turner and Mcdermont are playing for the Cs right now.

Danny was so overconfident bout getting more from the Pacers that it backed fired on him.

I have no confidence in danny what so ever unless he gets a top 10 pick...everything else he has done was graded fair or bad but never good if you never include the top 3 picks he got from the Nets.

He wiffed on trading Cryrie when he had the chance...no make it actually he should never have traded for Cryrie in the first place then we could have had Sexton or SGA now.

its just one bad move after another and we are actually no closer to banner 18 now than we were in the last 6 yrs.
I still don't want Turner and McDermott over the TPE lol (don't get me wrong, Turner is good while McDermott is okay, but Turner is still not the answer to Embiid no matter how gaudy his defensive numbers look, he quite simply doesn't have the strength or heft to bang with the leviathans of the league in the post) - I'd much rather use the TPE in the offseason for an actual star like Beal (Beal doesn't exactly fit into our TPE, but we can absorb a big contract with the TPE and swing it for Beal with the 125% trade rule).
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Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2021, 05:45:46 AM »

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Is it too soon to evaluate this?  Or have we seen enough?

The rumored deal was Hayward for Turner + McDermott + #1

Turner: 12 points / 7 rebounds / 4 blocks
McDermott: 13 points / 4 rebounds / 39% 3PT%

Tristan Thompson probably would not be here.  Would we have used the MLE?  It’s hard to say, but probably not, so as to stay under the tax.

Turner / Theis / Timelord
Tatum / Williams
McDermott
Brown / Smart
Kemba / Pritchard / Teague

In its most basic form, the question is would you rather have Turner, McDermott, a #1, and our two second rounders, or Thompson plus the TPE?  To date, that seems like an easy choice.

Most Celtics fans at the time were in favour of the deal. That should tell you enough, as generally fans tend to overrate their own players. Delusional is a harsh word, but it does seem like Danny Ainge thought he had all the cards and that Hayward would re-sign with the Celtics if he couldn't get a great deal out of it.

Turner is not the solution to Embiid at all, as he can't guard him any better than Thompson or Theis, but he can provide spacing on offense and rim protection that Thompson can't. And just a shooting specialist in McDermott wouldn't hurt either. That first rounder would just be cherry on top, which a lot of people thought to be unbelievable that the Pacers even offered that.

Now we have a TPE and it won't be that easy to obtain a player of Turner's level or better without giving up significant assets.

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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2021, 05:46:42 AM »

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Someone enlighten me: have there ever been any significant TPE acquisitions in the past 5 years?

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Re: The Hayward S&T: Missed Opportunity?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2021, 06:00:56 AM »

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This deal was never gonna happen, so I don't understand why it continues to get brought up. It wasn't in the Celtics' hands, so everyone on this thread is getting worked up over nothing.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2021, 07:52:14 AM »

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This deal was never gonna happen, so I don't understand why it continues to get brought up. It wasn't in the Celtics' hands, so everyone on this thread is getting worked up over nothing.

This.  The healthier way to look at it also happens to be the more likely scenario (not definitive, but much more likely).  Not matter what, Charlotte was going to offer the godfather deal that Hayward was going to grab.