Simons to Boston. Trade idea

[Kernewek]

I see this as a clear downgrade. 

1. Simons two biggest strengths as a player are his scoring (career 19 points per 36) and three point shooting (career 39% 3PT).  Brogdon who also has career averages of 18.9 points per 36 and 39% 3PT which is dead even with Simons - meaning the biggest strength Simons offers still gives us zero benefit over Brogdon.

2.  Simons is a terrible defensive player and is also a pretty terrible passer/playmaker by PG standards, averaging 3.7 Assists Per 36 and 1.85 AST/TO.  Brogdon is a significantly better defender (he's at least passable) and is a massively better playmaker (5.1 Assists Per 36, 2.6 AST/TO).

3.  Brogdon has demonstrated that he's OK with coming off the bench if that's what it takes to help the team win, and he's clearly demonstrated that he's capable of producing at a high level in that role - he won 6MOTY this past season and was instrumental to Boston having the league's best record for most of the season.  We have no idea if Simons would be happy to come off the bench or how effective he would be in that role. 

4.  Health for Brogdon is a definite concern, as he's played only 69% of possibly games over his 7 year career and has played over 65 gamers only twice in his 7 year career.   Sadly though Anfernee Simons doesn't solve this problem for us.  He's played only 66% of possible games over his 5 year career and has played over 65 games only one time - he's really no less a risk then Brogdon health wise.

5.  Brogdon has 6x more NBA experience (1,200 vs 200 minutes) - something that is absolutely crucial for the Celtics now that they are firmly in "Win now" mode.

Honestly. I'm struggling to see any tangible advantage in having Simons over Brogdon outside of the fact that Simons is younger only 24 vs 30).  And given the Celtics current aspiration, Brogdon's age (and the experience that comes with it) may actually be more valuable then Simon's youth.

Personally, I don't have much interest in moving Brogdon at all unless it's part of a deal that brings us back a seriously game-changing piece.  For example if we come somehow move Brown and Brogdon in return for Giannis and Jrue Holiday (highly unlikely) then I'd do that in a heartbeat.

Beyond that I really don't have a lot of interest in moving Brogdon.  Yes, there is some risk around him health-wise.  But he did play a pretty respectable 67 games last season (at a solid 26 MPG) and in the games he played his impact was felt in a huge way.  Brogdon and Tatum were the only two Celtics players who ranked top 4 on the team in BPM, WS/48 and VORP.

this is a really well done and well researched post. thanks and a tp for all the good work.

 Hehe is something that wasn't mentioned in this well 'researched post. Brogdon came into the league at 24 years old avg 10ppg. Brogdon didn't avg over 20ppg until he was 28 years old.

 Simons avg 20 ppg last year and us currently 24 years young.  Kind of ridiculous to put the numbers you posted without mentioning age.

 Simons has another two levels of potential he can hit, for those that don't know he's a fantastic athlete.  Jumps out of the gym, extremely quick and fast. Also really skilled.

 Simons value around the league is also much higher than Brogdons. For A Reason.

No it isn't rediculous at all.  Age is 100% irrelevant when the Celtics are in WIN NOW mode, and hence the only thing that matters is what those players are able to contribute RIGHT NOW.  Age only maters when considering future upside, and future upside isn't a factor when you your championship window is right here, right now.   

Also Brogdon has averaged 20 points per 36 every year since his 3rd - 5 straight seasons now.  His health may be somewhat of a risk, but at least he has proven his ability to produce consistently - and when he IS healthy you know exactly what he's going to give you. 

Speaking of knowing what you're going to get - Brogdon was also the Celtics' 3rd most consistent offensive player after Tatum and Brown.  Last season Brogdon scored double figures in 50/67 (75%) of his regular season games.  This compared to 67% for Marcus Smart, 59% for Derrick White and only 46% for Al Horford.  This is despite the fact that Brogdon played the lowest number of minutes of all those players AND did not start a single game.

For years the Celtics have desperately needed that CONSISTENT third scoring option to take pressure off Tatum and Brown, and a consistent scoring threat off the bench to lead the second unit - Brogdon was the answer to both of those issues for the Celtics, which is a big part of why the team was so dominant for most the season.  Then there is the versatilty - at 6'5" with a strong body, Brogdon can play and guard 3 positions pretty comfortably.  That's important for a team with the Celtic's play style.

Surely signing Porzingis satisfies the third scoring option criteria.

If we think the Celtics' hot start last season was due to Brogdon, I am not sure this is the right conclusion (even if he did have arguably his best season last year).

[KG Living Legend]

 Please.  Don't give me this He scored 20 ppg per 36 crap. He didn't score 20ppg period end of story. Did you know Luke Kornet avg 15ppg and 7 rpg his rookie year? Per 36. He really avg 6.7 ppg and 3 rpg.

 Yes we are in win now mode, age still matters. Especially when your 30 year old Brogdon with a 37 year old body. Not difficult to project Simons being healthier for not only this year,  but the next couple of years as well.

 I like Brogdon,  a lot actually.  But you can't ignore the health concerns and Apparently he's pretty p---ed at Brad for attempting to move him.  Although he needs to get over it, he's a huge part of the team.