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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #240 on: February 11, 2022, 02:15:38 PM »

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Boston Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens says the acquisition of guard Derrick White from the San Antonio Spurs was a case of being presented with an opportunity that was too good to pass up.

"We've thought for years that Derrick was a really good fit with our best players," Stevens said during a video conference call Friday morning. "He is an excellent defender. He just makes the right play on offense over and over and over. He's a guy that only cares about winning, that will do all of the little things, as you can see in some of his stats, defensively, with regard to willingness to put his body on the line, activity, shot challenges, all of those things. And on offense, just by making simple plays and doesn't need to do anything to be on the highlights to really, really impact winning.

"We felt really fortunate to be able to get a guy like that on a long contract that we think is, again, you know, a perfect fit for our best players."

White, who is signed through 2025, has familiarity with Jayson Tatum, Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart, having played with them on Team USA in the 2019 World Cup. He also spent time with Ime Udoka when the Celtics' coach was an assistant with the Spurs earlier in White's career.

That said, the cost to get White -- both for his play and his contract, which averages a little over $17 million per season -- wasn't cheap. Boston gave up its first-round pick in 2022 (top-four protected) and made a pick swap with the Spurs in 2028, something Stevens admitted weighed on him in making the move.

Ultimately, though, he decided that White's fit was worth the price.

"I think the analysis of that is we have some really good players and we have a person that we think fits in perfectly with them as another really good player that can only make them better," Stevens said.


https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33267961/boston-celtics-president-brad-stevens-lauds-derrick-white-daniel-theis-busy-deadline-day

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #241 on: February 11, 2022, 02:31:33 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #242 on: February 11, 2022, 02:37:50 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?


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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #243 on: February 11, 2022, 02:43:33 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Aaron Holiday, Ish Smith, Montrezl Harrell, Donte DiVincenzo, Josh Jackson, Torrey Craig, Thad Young, and frankly.... Josh Richardson.

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #244 on: February 11, 2022, 02:50:16 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #245 on: February 11, 2022, 02:59:48 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Aaron Holiday, Ish Smith, Montrezl Harrell, Donte DiVincenzo, Josh Jackson, Torrey Craig, Thad Young, and frankly.... Josh Richardson.

I think White is exponentially better than all those guys. But the cost of acquiring him wasn’t cheap.

I’m hoping he’s as impactful as I think he can be. He also allows us to trade Smart (or him) in the off-season for a shooter or starting 4.
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Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #246 on: February 11, 2022, 03:03:33 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

There are two players on that list that you could contend are equal or better than White, and White has a similar or better contract than both -- Powell and Levert.

Of those players, the Cavs clearly paid more for a guy with less guaranteed years (less team-friendly).

I do like Powell though and think the Clippers got a steal there.

It costs to get guys that can be in your playoff rotation.

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #247 on: February 11, 2022, 03:04:37 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

White is vastly superior to those players.  The only guy at his level who was traded was McCollum, who went for a little less but has a far inferior contract.

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #248 on: February 11, 2022, 03:07:05 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

White is vastly superior to those players.  The only guy at his level who was traded was McCollum, who went for a little less but has a far inferior contract.

Not only that, but NOP had to waive his physical to complete the trade.

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #249 on: February 11, 2022, 03:08:49 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

White is vastly superior to those players.  The only guy at his level who was traded was McCollum, who went for a little less but has a far inferior contract.

Not only that, but NOP had to waive his physical to complete the trade.

Whoa, they did?? A guy owed $100 million in hits early 30s and they didn’t care about a physical?

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #250 on: February 11, 2022, 03:11:18 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

White is vastly superior to those players.  The only guy at his level who was traded was McCollum, who went for a little less but has a far inferior contract.

Not only that, but NOP had to waive his physical to complete the trade.

Whoa, they did?? A guy owed $100 million in hits early 30s and they didn’t care about a physical?

That's the report I saw this morning. Seems like that is really flying under the radar.

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #251 on: February 11, 2022, 03:11:46 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

White is vastly superior to those players.  The only guy at his level who was traded was McCollum, who went for a little less but has a far inferior contract.

Come on...McCollum is a much better player. I would have preferred Norman Powell over White. Lavert and Divencenzo are on par with Derrick. Reddish may turn out to be a better player than White, shooting 36%+ from 3pt, is 6’8” and was a top 10 pick. Only 22 years old.

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #252 on: February 11, 2022, 03:30:04 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

LeVert is reasonably comparable to White but if what we are hearing is true, White is a better defender, better all around player.  Still, they paid less for LeVert in that trade (not sure a lot less is accurate).  CLE did have a nice expiring contract though.  Overall, I am happier with White than I would have been with LeVert.

I wouldn't want Powell, very undersized.  And McCollum (also mentioned by someone) is a really very different deal, both in terms of accomplishments in the league and contract. 

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #253 on: February 11, 2022, 03:32:34 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

White is vastly superior to those players.  The only guy at his level who was traded was McCollum, who went for a little less but has a far inferior contract.

Come on...McCollum is a much better player. I would have preferred Norman Powell over White. Lavert and Divencenzo are on par with Derrick. Reddish may turn out to be a better player than White, shooting 36%+ from 3pt, is 6’8” and was a top 10 pick. Only 22 years old.

You are just unequivocally wrong here.

McCullom is a better scorer/shooter than White, but did you know that McCullom is only at 20.7points per 36 minutes this year and White is at 18.7 points per 36 minutes?

Did you know that White is averaging 5.6 assists per game compared to McCullom's 4.6? Meanwhile, White has less turnovers per game.

And that doesn't even begin to compare their defense, where CJ McCullom is not even in the same stratosphere as Derrick White, because CJ is one of the if not the worst defensive guards in the NBA.

And that doesn't begin to talk about McCullom's contract where he is owed 69 million dollars over the next two seasons after this one, which is 17 million more than White is owed over the next three seasons.

And, as I mentioned before, the Pelicans had to WAIVE CJ's physical to complete the trade! Doesn't that send up some red flags?

I advocated that CJ would be a great option for the Cs, but I think White on his contract is a better option for the Cs than McCullom on his contract.

Re: Celtics Regular Season News
« Reply #254 on: February 11, 2022, 03:38:51 PM »

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White better be worth it. Feel like other decent players were had for a lot less.

Who did you have in mind?

L.A. Clippers Receive: Robert Covington, Norman Powell
Portland Trail Blazers Receive: Eric Bledsoe, Keon Johnson, Justise Winslow, 2025 second-round pick (from L.A., via Detroit)

The Knicks sent forward Kevin Knox II and a 2022 first-round draft pick via the Charlotte Hornets to the Hawks for Reddish, Solomon Hill and a 2025 second-round pick (via Brooklyn).

Caris LeVert and a second-round pick to Cleveland and Ricky Rubio, a lottery-protected 2022 first-round pick and two future second-round picks to Indiana.

Kings receive: DiVincenzo (from Milwaukee), Josh Jackson (from Detroit), Trey Lyles (from Detroit)
Pistons receive: Bagley (from Sacramento)
Clippers receive: Rodney Hood (from Milwaukee), Semi Ojeleye (from Milwaukee)
Bucks receive: Serge Ibaka (from Los Angeles), two second-round picks, cash

Charlotte Hornets Receive: Montrezl Harrell
Washington Wizards Receive: Ish Smith, Vernon Carey Jr.

LeVert is reasonably comparable to White but if what we are hearing is true, White is a better defender, better all around player.  Still, they paid less for LeVert in that trade (not sure a lot less is accurate).  CLE did have a nice expiring contract though.  Overall, I am happier with White than I would have been with LeVert.

I wouldn't want Powell, very undersized.  And McCollum (also mentioned by someone) is a really very different deal, both in terms of accomplishments in the league and contract.

Powell is 6’4”, 215 lbs with a 6’11” wingspan. White is 6’4”, 190lbs with a 6’8” wingspan.