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Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #195 on: December 15, 2021, 12:32:38 AM »

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Clarkson and Conley have split PG duties about 50/50. If Clarkson makes it clear he wants to stay and get paid, but has to be the unquestioned starter, it would make sense for the Jazz to choose him (29 years old) over Conley (34 years old). Bledsoe is still a good backup guard off the bench, so Bledsoe and a first is nothing to turn your nose up at with regards to a 34 year old Mike Conley.
Conley and Clarkson split time because one is the starter and one their 6th man of the year backup at the PG position. They are both signed through the end of next year. Your reasoning makes zero sense.

If Conley is unavailable, I’d be fine with turning Schröder into Bledsoe/Ibaka

Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #196 on: December 15, 2021, 12:39:35 AM »

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Here are the mega deals to get us our Big 3 and title contention throughout the 2020s:

BOS In: Zion, Satoransky
NOP In: Jaylen, 2022 1st

BOS In: Beal
WAS In: Schröder, Horford, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st, 2027 swap 1st, 2028 1st

BOS In: Markannen
CLE In: BOS TPE, 2022 BOS 2nd, Both 2023 BOS 2nds, 2029 swap 1st

Roster:

Smart/Pritchard
Beal/Richardson/Langford/Satoransky
Tatum/Nesmith
Zion/G. Williams/Parker
Markannen/Timelord/Freedom/Fernando

Come the off-season, add an MLE PG and 2-3 ring-chasing vets to this core:

Smart/Pritchard
Beal/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Zion/G. Williams
Markannen/Timelord
« Last Edit: December 15, 2021, 12:44:58 AM by GreenlyGreeny »

Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #197 on: December 21, 2021, 11:46:38 PM »

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Another Big 3:

BOS In: Beal, Simmons
BOS Out: Brown, Schröder, Horford, 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, 2024 1st, 2025 1st swap, 2026 BOS 1st

PHI In: Horford, Schröder, 2022 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2024 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st swap, 2026 BOS 1st
PHI Out: Simmons

WAS In: Brown
WAS Out: Beal

Our new roster with Simmons as our Point Forward:

Smart/Pritchard
Beal/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith/Hauser
Simmons/G. Williams/Hernangomez/Parker
Timelord/Freedom/Fernando

Extend G. Williams as our backup PF, and add a MLE PG come the off-season:

Smart/MLE/Pritchard
Beal/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/G. Williams
Timelord

Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #198 on: December 22, 2021, 06:29:53 AM »

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Here are the mega deals to get us our Big 3 and title contention throughout the 2020s:

BOS In: Zion, Satoransky
NOP In: Jaylen, 2022 1st

BOS In: Beal
WAS In: Schröder, Horford, 2023 swap 1st, 2024 1st, 2025 swap 1st, 2026 1st, 2027 swap 1st, 2028 1st

BOS In: Markannen
CLE In: BOS TPE, 2022 BOS 2nd, Both 2023 BOS 2nds, 2029 swap 1st

Roster:

Smart/Pritchard
Beal/Richardson/Langford/Satoransky
Tatum/Nesmith
Zion/G. Williams/Parker
Markannen/Timelord/Freedom/Fernando

Come the off-season, add an MLE PG and 2-3 ring-chasing vets to this core:

Smart/Pritchard
Beal/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Zion/G. Williams
Markannen/Timelord
These deals are huge gambles. If Zion does not recover there likely is no championship. Then you have huge over pay for a soon to be free agent and a huge overpay for a guy we could of had already if owners weren't cheap.

Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #199 on: December 22, 2021, 06:39:47 AM »

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Another Big 3:

BOS In: Beal, Simmons
BOS Out: Brown, Schröder, Horford, 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, 2024 1st, 2025 1st swap, 2026 BOS 1st

PHI In: Horford, Schröder, 2022 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2024 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st swap, 2026 BOS 1st
PHI Out: Simmons

WAS In: Brown
WAS Out: Beal

Our new roster with Simmons as our Point Forward:

Smart/Pritchard
Beal/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith/Hauser
Simmons/G. Williams/Hernangomez/Parker
Timelord/Freedom/Fernando

Extend G. Williams as our backup PF, and add a MLE PG come the off-season:

Smart/MLE/Pritchard
Beal/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith
Simmons/G. Williams
Timelord
Way too much for Simmons. Also by doing these two deals this team would be deep in the luxury tax. I don't see the fit of Beal, Simmons, TL, and Smart. Puts too much on Beal and Tatum, it's literally doing the same thing we see now with Brown and Tatum just being doubled as soon as they get warm, no one else can shoot.

Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #200 on: December 22, 2021, 03:56:53 PM »

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You may be right about the fit, but suspect that is what it will take to get Simmons without giving up a solid player.

How about this for a big time shakeup/all-in win a championship or die trying:

BOS In: Lillard, Simmons, Dennis Smith
BOS Out: Brown, Schröder, Horford, Hernangomez, Pritchard, Freedom, 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, 2024 1st, 2025 1st swap, 2026 1st

POR In: Brown, Pritchard (Hometown Boy), Hernangomez, Freedom
POR Out: Lillard, Dennis Smith

PHI In: Horford, Schröder, BOS: 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, 2024 1st, 2025 1st swap, 2026 1st
PHI Out: Simmons

Leaves us with this, so we clearly would need to sign another center and/or move the TPE and second round picks for a big (Markannen?):

Lillard/Smith
Smart/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith/Hauser
Simmons/G. Williams/Parker
Timelord/Fernando

Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #201 on: December 22, 2021, 05:09:04 PM »

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You may be right about the fit, but suspect that is what it will take to get Simmons without giving up a solid player.

How about this for a big time shakeup/all-in win a championship or die trying:

BOS In: Lillard, Simmons, Dennis Smith
BOS Out: Brown, Schröder, Horford, Hernangomez, Pritchard, Freedom, 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, 2024 1st, 2025 1st swap, 2026 1st

POR In: Brown, Pritchard (Hometown Boy), Hernangomez, Freedom
POR Out: Lillard, Dennis Smith

PHI In: Horford, Schröder, BOS: 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, 2024 1st, 2025 1st swap, 2026 1st
PHI Out: Simmons

Leaves us with this, so we clearly would need to sign another center and/or move the TPE and second round picks for a big (Markannen?):

Lillard/Smith
Smart/Richardson/Langford
Tatum/Nesmith/Hauser
Simmons/G. Williams/Parker
Timelord/Fernando
It's better fit than Beal but again Smart, Simmons and TL is a problem. Need one replaced for a shooter.

As for 76ers think they do not accept Al under any condition.

Jaylen Brown for Dejounte Murray: Would the Spurs Do It? Should We?
« Reply #202 on: December 24, 2021, 01:09:48 PM »

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Apparently the poll has turned into being a part of the mega trade ideas thread:

Would the Spurs trade Murray for Brown, and should we?

Would argue he’s a better (and cheaper) complementary sidekick for Tatum, but Brown is a better building piece for the Spurs than Murray, so going with yes and yes (win-win trade for both sides). Would love to see us shake things up with this trade and then try to make additional moves to bring in Beal. Have given this a lot of thought and feel like Murray is the best player we could realistically put alongside Tatum, especially if we could get him just for JB.
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Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #203 on: December 24, 2021, 01:39:07 PM »

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Who can we get for ISO Joe and CJ?!?

Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #204 on: December 27, 2021, 06:37:36 PM »

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Like some reports say, perhaps Ayton does not extend with the Suns since the Suns decide they do not want to max him out (surely someone will offer him the max after his rookie contract). Would the Suns consider this deal at the deadline (highly doubt it considering they’re making a push for a title, but want to throw the idea out there anyway, particularly since Schröder could help them with their title push and partially offset the lost contribution of Ayton with regards to buckets…hard to see Timelord staying healthy and a big drop from Ayton to Timelord, but at least Timelord is locked in for years on the cheap, and we all know how cheap Suns’ ownership is):

BOS In: Ayton
BOS Out: Schröder, Timelord, 2022 BOS 1st, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2024 BOS 1st, 2025 BOS 1st swap, 2026 BOS 1st

Definitely gets us a young, exciting Big 3, but at a high cost. Ayton also went to high school and college in Arizona, so it’s hard to see him really wanting to leave the Suns, but at the same time it is understandable if getting max money is the top priority for him…

Come the off-season, we could flip JB and Langford for Beal as a sign-and-trade (or he agrees to the extension right before the trade if he opts into his deal), giving Tatum his BFF and making the Celtics the most popular team in the St. Louis market, which would obviously be attractive to ownership (and why I think it is more likely JB will be moved for Beal than JKJB ruling the day). More importantly, we definitely become title contenders in 2022-2023:

Eight-man rotation:

Smart, MLE PG
Beal, Richardson
Tatum, Richardson
G. Williams, Horford
Ayton, Horford

Comments: Our new Big 3 with Tatum starring as The New Truth (PP can become known thereafter as The OG Truth), Beal playing Ray-Ray, and Ayton playing The Big Ticket. Grant is a good lad and will be ready. Pay Al. The goodwill obtained by paying him far outweighs any perceived benefits to cutting him, so just pay him (he is a good lad and can still contribute 24-28 MPG off the bench as a key veteran contributor in a title run…the other dynamic most fans overlook is his popularity, and therefore our team’s popularity, among Latin Americans). Richardson could become 6MOTY material in such a rotation. The key will be finding a decent MLE PG like we did this year with Schröder.

9-15 depth:

Pritchard
Ring-chasing vet who can play 3/2
Ring-chasing vet who can play 4/5
Nesmith
Hernangomez
Begarin
2022 2nd round pick (if draft-and-stash, leave the 15th spot open)

Comments: Expect some minutes during the season for slots 9-12, particularly when we secure big leads or suffer injuries. Hernangomez, Begarin and the 2022 2nd will barely get any play, with the latter two being onboard for their cheap contracts. Would even be fine with somehow dumping Hernangomez via one of those protected seconds, and adding another ring-chasing vet.
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Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #205 on: December 29, 2021, 09:39:34 PM »

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An exciting trade idea with GSW:

BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Wiggins
GSW In: Brown, R. Williams, Schröder

Makes GSW better today (Schröder backing up Curry could be exactly what they need to beat the Suns in the WCF), and makes BOS better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga live up to expectations (yet makes GSW also better tomorrow if Wiseman and Kuminga do NOT live up to expectations). A gamble, of course, but one probably worth taking if they were open to it. Let’s not forget that Wiseman and Kuminga were projected in 2020 and 2021 to develop into the same caliber of player (albeit different positions) as Jaylen Brown was in 2016. Between the three, we’re talking two top three picks and another top ten pick.

Solid starting five with growing pains among our youthful bench, but a great veteran presence in Horford guiding them:

Smart/Pritchard
Richardson/Langford
Wiggins/Kuminga
Tatum/G. Williams
Wiseman/Horford

Come the off-season, see if there’s a way to turn Wiggins and picks into Beal. We’ll then be on our merry way, particularly if Kuminga and Wiseman live up to expectations. This eight-man rotation, with Smart as 6MOTY, is exciting to imagine:

Beal/Smart
Richardson/Smart
Tatum/Kuminga
G. Williams/Horford
Wiseman/Horford

Round out the roster:

MLE 4/5
Pritchard
Langford
Nesmith
2022 1st (hopefully a solid PG prospect)
Begarin and/or 2022 2nd (cheap 14th/15th men)

Check out Wiseman’s jersey in his profile pic on Wiki:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wiseman

Hopefully Kuminga will be ready to start come 2023-2024, and hopefully we have a traditional pass-first PG by that point:

1. Traditional PG (2022 1st if we’re lucky)/Smart and/or Pritchard
2. Beal/Smart and/or Langford
3. Kuminga/Richardson and/or Nesmith
4. Tatum/G. Williams
5. Wiseman/Horford on a cheap contract

Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #206 on: December 29, 2021, 09:43:21 PM »

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Synthesize the above two ideas with PHX and GSW: Schröder backing up Curry or Chris Paul is exactly the secret weapon they should both want to get past the other in the almost inevitable WCF showdown. Hopefully we can get the two in a bidding war for Schröder by making it clear that each is going hard for him. We would be complete idiots to not trade Schröder given where we are headed this season and our cap constraints next off-season. In fact, if we do not move Schröder even I will be calling for Brad Stevens and Ime Udoka to both be fired.

Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #207 on: December 30, 2021, 01:37:55 PM »

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Blow-it-up rebuild idea:

Trade 1
BOS In: Simmons, Wiseman, Kuminga
GSW In: Brown, Schröder, R. Williams, Hernangomez
PHI In: Wiggins (former number one overall like Simmons, so helps Philly save face without necessarily making them too good)

Trade 2
BOS In: Anthony Edwards; 1st Swaps BOS Gets Best of BOS/MIN, No Protections: 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026; Expiring Filler: Prince, Layman
MIN In: Tatum

Trade 3
BOS In: Davion Mitchell, Bagley
SAC In: Smart

Players heading into the off-season, so perhaps try to move Richardson for a late 1st and don’t forget we have swaps with MIN the next five years:

Simmons/Mitchell/Pritchard
Edwards/Richardson/Langford
Kuminga/Nesmith
G. Williams/Bagley if he re-signs on the cheap
Wiseman/Horford*

With all these cost-contained rookie contracts and Horford’s and Richardson’s contracts off the books, we would have room for one of the following marquee free agents in 2023 or 2024:

Jokic (2023)
KAT (2024)
Booker (2024)
Sabonis (2024)
James (2024 if we draft Bronny)
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Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #208 on: December 30, 2021, 01:42:31 PM »

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Regarding trade two above (trading Tatum to Minnesota), here is an alternative that might work better for us:

BOS In: Giddey, 2022 DET 1st (Top 16 Protection, so will become 2023 DET 1st unprotected), 2023 WAS 1st (Top 14 Protection), 2024 LAC 1st (Unprotected), 2026 OKC 1st (Unprotected)
OKC In: Tatum

Would leave us with this come the off-season, and nine first-round picks in the next five years:

Simmons/Mitchell/Pritchard
Giddey/Richardson/Langford
Kuminga/Nesmith
G. William/Bagley if he re-signs on the cheap
Wiseman/Horford*

BOS 2022 1st (should be top ten after moving Tatum)
DET 2023 1st (probably a lottery pick)
BOS 2023 1st
WAS 2023 1st (Lottery Protected, potentially a top ten in 2024 if they are in the lottery in 2023 and Beal leaves)
LAC 2024 1st (PG-13 and/or Kawhi may be gone by then)
BOS 2024 1st
BOS 2025 1st
OKC 2026 1st (If Tatum leaves OKC, who knows how high…)
BOS 2026 1st
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Re: Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)
« Reply #209 on: December 30, 2021, 02:44:21 PM »

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Not feeling the blow up but like Davon and Bagley for Smart. Davon is a cheaper, younger, "Smart". I'd do it to save salary and change the locker room