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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: CFAN38 on January 19, 2018, 10:19:19 AM
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This could be an interesting development around the league.
Looking at the current standings the top ten teams(GS,Cs,Rockets,Raptors,Minn, Cavs, Heat, OKC, Wizards, Blazers) are all set at PG with the spurs being the only maybe in the list.
After that their are alot of teams fighting in the massive NBA middle class who could use a true lead guard. The 3 teams currently sitting at the 12-14 draft picks are NYK, Denver, and Detriot all who could use Walker to likely jump into the playoffs. The 76ers are the current 8th seed in the east and a scoring lead guard like Walker could really change their dynamic for the better. The nuggets are loaded with talent at every position except PG and could make a noticeable jump with Walker.
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It really could be interesting. No idea where he would go but the dude can play. In some ways I feel for him cause he's been dedicated to being there but I would also like to see him play on a better team.
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A couple of trade ideas
Magic and Bobcats
Magic get Walker, Howard and Bacon
Bobcats get Vucevic, Ross, Mack, Hezonja and wither Issac or Magics 2018 1st top 5 protected this year.
Why,
Magic then have a starting lineup of Walker, Fournier, Simmons, Gordon and Dwight and this group should be able to make an interesting playoff push
Bobcats they get pieces for future trades with the key addition being Issac or the Pick
Bobcats and 76ers
Magic get Saric, AMir, Bayless, McConnell and 76s 2018 1st
76ers get WAlker, Williams and Bacon
why
Hornets add Saric and a decent pick
76ers add a secondary scoring option to Embiid and a player who should be able to play some off ball with Simmons. If and when Fultz comes around they can always share a back court.
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Charlotte wants to dump some bad contracts and get an asset, so it will be interesting to see what type of offers are made.
The Cavs came to mind as they could move Thomas and they have a lot of contracts of varying sizes and length to match up with some of Charlotte's poor contracts.
I mean would something like Walker, Batum, Williams for Thomas, Shumpert, Frye, and Thompson be appealing to both teams. Cavs can add in Osman, Zizic, their own 1st as necessary. The trade saves Charlotte a ton of long term money and they get a guy in Thomas who could be the face of their franchise going forward. Would it be different for Charlotte if Howard instead of Batum went out?
Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets.
Denver makes a lot of sense and they do have a lot of contracts and can provide some quality players.
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I don't know what assets the Spurs have to get a deal done, but Kemba Walker as a Tony Parker replacement would be killer. The two-three years Pop initiated the offense through Parker (using his speed and handle to break down defenses before kicking the ball out for a Spurs passing clinic), the Spurs were incredibly dynamic.
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A couple of trade ideas
Magic and Bobcats
Magic get Walker, Howard and Bacon
Bobcats get Vucevic, Ross, Mack, Hezonja and wither Issac or Magics 2018 1st top 5 protected this year.
Why,
Magic then have a starting lineup of Walker, Fournier, Simmons, Gordon and Dwight and this group should be able to make an interesting playoff push
Bobcats they get pieces for future trades with the key addition being Issac or the Pick
Bobcats and 76ers
Magic get Saric, AMir, Bayless, McConnell and 76s 2018 1st
76ers get WAlker, Williams and Bacon
why
Hornets add Saric and a decent pick
76ers add a secondary scoring option to Embiid and a player who should be able to play some off ball with Simmons. If and when Fultz comes around they can always share a back court.
Bobcats? Lol.
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I always thought he is really good little guard . I wonder who Char thinks,they can get who is better ?
This somds like a tank move to me to postion themselfs to loose alot of games. . With out Kimba they super suck IMO.
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I always thought he is really good little guard . I wonder who Char thinks,they can get who is better ?
This somds like a tank move to me to postion themselfs to loose alot of games. . With out Kimba they super suck IMO.
With his contract and talent, he's the best asset they have by far. If they want to rebuild, it makes sense to use him to get picks/prospects and/or move one of the two big contracts they have in Batum and Howard. Those two contracts are killing them.
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Charlotte wants to dump some bad contracts and get an asset, so it will be interesting to see what type of offers are made.
The Cavs came to mind as they could move Thomas and they have a lot of contracts of varying sizes and length to match up with some of Charlotte's poor contracts.
I mean would something like Walker, Batum, Williams for Thomas, Shumpert, Frye, and Thompson be appealing to both teams. Cavs can add in Osman, Zizic, their own 1st as necessary. The trade saves Charlotte a ton of long term money and they get a guy in Thomas who could be the face of their franchise going forward. Would it be different for Charlotte if Howard instead of Batum went out?
Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets.
Denver makes a lot of sense and they do have a lot of contracts and can provide some quality players.
You realize every single time a player is rumored to be on the block you talk about how they "could make sense" on Cleveland and propose a way to get them there. You have done it with Bledsoe, Blake, Jordan, Kemba in the last few months alone. It's strange to spend so much time trying to improve the squad of one of our main rivals. What is the deal with that?
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San Antonio would be an excellent spot for him.
Maybe Dejounte Murray or Bryn Forbes + Patty Mills + picks.
I'm not sure if Charlotte will be enticed to that, but man, Kemba for the Spurs would be excellent. He basically takes the Tony Parker role.
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I would like to see him on Denver. If milsap gets healthy walker, Harris, milsap and Jokic is a good group. Could probably still use another wing unless Barton can fill the role
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A couple of trade ideas
Magic and Bobcats
Magic get Walker, Howard and Bacon
Bobcats get Vucevic, Ross, Mack, Hezonja and wither Issac or Magics 2018 1st top 5 protected this year.
Why,
Magic then have a starting lineup of Walker, Fournier, Simmons, Gordon and Dwight and this group should be able to make an interesting playoff push
Bobcats they get pieces for future trades with the key addition being Issac or the Pick
Bobcats and 76ers
Magic get Saric, AMir, Bayless, McConnell and 76s 2018 1st
76ers get WAlker, Williams and Bacon
why
Hornets add Saric and a decent pick
76ers add a secondary scoring option to Embiid and a player who should be able to play some off ball with Simmons. If and when Fultz comes around they can always share a back court.
Bobcats? Lol.
great catch im not going back to change it, I almost called the Wizards the Bullets in my OP. Not sure where my mind is this morning
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Charlotte wants to dump some bad contracts and get an asset, so it will be interesting to see what type of offers are made.
The Cavs came to mind as they could move Thomas and they have a lot of contracts of varying sizes and length to match up with some of Charlotte's poor contracts.
I mean would something like Walker, Batum, Williams for Thomas, Shumpert, Frye, and Thompson be appealing to both teams. Cavs can add in Osman, Zizic, their own 1st as necessary. The trade saves Charlotte a ton of long term money and they get a guy in Thomas who could be the face of their franchise going forward. Would it be different for Charlotte if Howard instead of Batum went out?
Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets.
Denver makes a lot of sense and they do have a lot of contracts and can provide some quality players.
You realize every single time a player is rumored to be on the block you talk about how they "could make sense" on Cleveland and propose a way to get them there. You have done it with Bledsoe, Blake, Jordan, Kemba in the last few months alone. It's strange to spend so much time trying to improve the squad of one of our main rivals. What is the deal with that?
In his defense speculating on the Cavs at least yields very real results as they are always very active. I also find myself pondering what the Cavs next roster move will be. They are in a very strange spot. Not good enough to beat the Warriors, still good enough to win the east, they have multiple players under performing and are lacking in developing youth. They also are sitting on a Nets pick that can help their roster but likely not enough to get them over the Warriors. Where the Cs are not up to the Warriors level we as fans can look at Tatum and Brown's potential and the return of Hayward and justify competing next season the Cavs can only live in the moment. Making them an interesting source of trade speculation.
And yes a IT to HORNETS for Walker trade would rock the NBA and might actually make sense for both sides as long as the Cavs add a wing MKG or Batum and the Hornets can get out from under from of their $$$
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But how can the Cavs possibly add more bad contracts? They are currently a team filled with them already. Why would the Hornets prefer the overpaid Cavs players to their own overpaid players.
It would be funny to see a deal centered around Kemba and IT/BKN pick, though. No way does Charlotte take back just IT and filler - they want high picks and prospects if they are giving up by far their most valuable piece/player.
I like Orlando as one of the most realistic possibilities for both sides.
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If you're Philadelphia, do you trade Markelle Fultz for Kemba Walker?
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Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets.
I too think the Knicks would be very interesting. You'd have to think Walker would love that too being from NYC.
Now I'm pretty terrible at assessing fair value in the trade market, but maybe the Knicks could do something built around swapping Walker and Batum ($77m left on contract after this year) for Ntilikina (#8 pick this year, does he have value?) , Noah ($38m left) and filler (either Courtney Lee (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7ncy8pr) or Lance Thomas (http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ya8ddqzf)).
Knicks get the star by taking on a terrible contract, giving up a rookie PG whose no longer needed, and a mid first round pick (likely in the 14-20 range with Walker).
Charlotte gets rid of their worst contract, gets a recent #8 pick plus a mid-first pick to help with the rebuild/tank, and saves $10m-$20m in salary.
Kemba only has 1 1/2 years left on his deal, and plays a loaded position in the NBA that many of the playoff teams are already set at. At best he's 8th best player at his position (behind Curry, Westbrook, Harden, Paul, Lillard, Irving, Wall), and there's not much decline expected there except for Paul. And with Thomas, Dragic, Lowry, Conley right in that next tier with him, and Simmons and Mitchell looking legit as rookies, how much of a haul can Charlotte really get for him?
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But how can the Cavs possibly add more bad contracts? They are currently a team filled with them already. Why would the Hornets prefer the overpaid Cavs players to their own overpaid players.
It would be funny to see a deal centered around Kemba and IT/BKN pick, though. No way does Charlotte take back just IT and filler - they want high picks and prospects if they are giving up by far their most valuable piece/player.
I like Orlando as one of the most realistic possibilities for both sides.
Because the Cavs bad contracts aren't nearly as big or long as the Hornets bad contracts (at least for the most part). Thus, Charlotte sheds a ton of salary, both in the short and long term.
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Charlotte wants to dump some bad contracts and get an asset, so it will be interesting to see what type of offers are made.
The Cavs came to mind as they could move Thomas and they have a lot of contracts of varying sizes and length to match up with some of Charlotte's poor contracts.
I mean would something like Walker, Batum, Williams for Thomas, Shumpert, Frye, and Thompson be appealing to both teams. Cavs can add in Osman, Zizic, their own 1st as necessary. The trade saves Charlotte a ton of long term money and they get a guy in Thomas who could be the face of their franchise going forward. Would it be different for Charlotte if Howard instead of Batum went out?
Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets.
Denver makes a lot of sense and they do have a lot of contracts and can provide some quality players.
You realize every single time a player is rumored to be on the block you talk about how they "could make sense" on Cleveland and propose a way to get them there. You have done it with Bledsoe, Blake, Jordan, Kemba in the last few months alone. It's strange to spend so much time trying to improve the squad of one of our main rivals. What is the deal with that?
It isn't hard to understand. Cleveland has some holes, is always very active, and has a lot of contracts of varying lengths and sizes. They are also a team that is very much in win now mode. If Cleveland still had Irving, a trade of Walker to Cleveland wouldn't have made sense, must like it doesn't make sense for Boston, but with Thomas being an expiring contract working back from injury whose defense is awful, it makes him moveable, especially for a younger better defending PG on a better contract.
I mean in the Dedmon thread, I made a trade to Boston because I think Dedmon would be a nice fit on the Celtics and the Celtics actually have the contracts able to acquire him. Walker in Boston though is a terrible fit, would be hard to match his contract (without significantly overpaying), and there isn't really anyone else on the Hornets worth acquiring.
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Charlotte wants to dump some bad contracts and get an asset, so it will be interesting to see what type of offers are made.
The Cavs came to mind as they could move Thomas and they have a lot of contracts of varying sizes and length to match up with some of Charlotte's poor contracts.
I mean would something like Walker, Batum, Williams for Thomas, Shumpert, Frye, and Thompson be appealing to both teams. Cavs can add in Osman, Zizic, their own 1st as necessary. The trade saves Charlotte a ton of long term money and they get a guy in Thomas who could be the face of their franchise going forward. Would it be different for Charlotte if Howard instead of Batum went out?
Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets.
Denver makes a lot of sense and they do have a lot of contracts and can provide some quality players.
You realize every single time a player is rumored to be on the block you talk about how they "could make sense" on Cleveland and propose a way to get them there. You have done it with Bledsoe, Blake, Jordan, Kemba in the last few months alone. It's strange to spend so much time trying to improve the squad of one of our main rivals. What is the deal with that?
I don't get your problem either... Moranis has explicitly stated countless times that he is also sort of a Cavs fan, and that current residence is in Ohio... You do realize you're also goading him too right? I mean, just let it go.......
Charlotte wants to dump some bad contracts and get an asset, so it will be interesting to see what type of offers are made.
The Cavs came to mind as they could move Thomas and they have a lot of contracts of varying sizes and length to match up with some of Charlotte's poor contracts.
I mean would something like Walker, Batum, Williams for Thomas, Shumpert, Frye, and Thompson be appealing to both teams. Cavs can add in Osman, Zizic, their own 1st as necessary. The trade saves Charlotte a ton of long term money and they get a guy in Thomas who could be the face of their franchise going forward. Would it be different for Charlotte if Howard instead of Batum went out?
Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets.
Denver makes a lot of sense and they do have a lot of contracts and can provide some quality players.
You realize every single time a player is rumored to be on the block you talk about how they "could make sense" on Cleveland and propose a way to get them there. You have done it with Bledsoe, Blake, Jordan, Kemba in the last few months alone. It's strange to spend so much time trying to improve the squad of one of our main rivals. What is the deal with that?
It isn't hard to understand. Cleveland has some holes, is always very active, and has a lot of contracts of varying lengths and sizes. They are also a team that is very much in win now mode. If Cleveland still had Irving, a trade of Walker to Cleveland wouldn't have made sense, must like it doesn't make sense for Boston, but with Thomas being an expiring contract working back from injury whose defense is awful, it makes him moveable, especially for a younger better defending PG on a better contract.
I mean in the Dedmon thread, I made a trade to Boston because I think Dedmon would be a nice fit on the Celtics and the Celtics actually have the contracts able to acquire him. Walker in Boston though is a terrible fit, would be hard to match his contract (without significantly overpaying), and there isn't really anyone else on the Hornets worth acquiring.
Walker is one of the most underappreciated point guards in the league, but he doesn't really make Cleveland that much better... I think Thomas is still injured, but bang for buck, they are both equally offensive scoring point guards. The Cavs main issue isn't that they need a point guard... Lebron James is basically the main ball handler at this point...
Like I have said numerous times... Crowder and Love as the 4/5 is not a good front court... Too weak defensively, and too undersized to bang with more stronger/speedier front courts...
I have always said Lebron needs to switch over to the 4 from now on... It creates so many mismatches, and causes the defenses to collapse especially when he overpowers the weaker 4's.
I can see Walker going over to NYK, or the Spurs. I can see the Spurs giving up a first rounder, and maybe some young pieces. I think Bertans would do well in the Hornets offense. He's a young solid 3 point shooting big that is slowly coming around on defense.
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If you're Philadelphia, do you trade Markelle Fultz for Kemba Walker?
Im sure the 76ers wont do this but it might be their best move. Embiid is such an injury risk that they should be building a roster that can compete for a championship in the next 3 years. Its sad but most likely Embiid is going to have a Yao like career. Making drastic win now moves might be able to get them a couple deep playoff runs and then they can move on to a team built around Simmons
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But how can the Cavs possibly add more bad contracts? They are currently a team filled with them already. Why would the Hornets prefer the overpaid Cavs players to their own overpaid players.
It would be funny to see a deal centered around Kemba and IT/BKN pick, though. No way does Charlotte take back just IT and filler - they want high picks and prospects if they are giving up by far their most valuable piece/player.
I like Orlando as one of the most realistic possibilities for both sides.
Because the Cavs bad contracts aren't nearly as big or long as the Hornets bad contracts (at least for the most part). Thus, Charlotte sheds a ton of salary, both in the short and long term.
They’re not parting with their current franchise cornerstone for older players with only minimally cheaper contracts. If they’re trading Kemba to the Cavs, then the Brooklyn pick is going to be involved.
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Charlotte wants to dump some bad contracts and get an asset, so it will be interesting to see what type of offers are made.
The Cavs came to mind as they could move Thomas and they have a lot of contracts of varying sizes and length to match up with some of Charlotte's poor contracts.
I mean would something like Walker, Batum, Williams for Thomas, Shumpert, Frye, and Thompson be appealing to both teams. Cavs can add in Osman, Zizic, their own 1st as necessary. The trade saves Charlotte a ton of long term money and they get a guy in Thomas who could be the face of their franchise going forward. Would it be different for Charlotte if Howard instead of Batum went out?
Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets.
Denver makes a lot of sense and they do have a lot of contracts and can provide some quality players.
You realize every single time a player is rumored to be on the block you talk about how they "could make sense" on Cleveland and propose a way to get them there. You have done it with Bledsoe, Blake, Jordan, Kemba in the last few months alone. It's strange to spend so much time trying to improve the squad of one of our main rivals. What is the deal with that?
I don't get your problem either... Moranis has explicitly stated countless times that he is also sort of a Cavs fan, and that current residence is in Ohio... You do realize you're also goading him too right? I mean, just let it go.......
I am pretty sure Moranis has not explicitly said a bunch of times that he is a Cavs fan. He has actually talked about how he has a die hard Celtics fan (I believe he said from his family) that happens to live in Ohio. However, interesting defense to call him that lol.
Related to me "goading him", I think it is a fair question to ask why one of the most prolific posters constantly thinks about improving our chief rivals. I don't say jpotter constantly trying to improve the Wizards or Roy constantly proposing trades to improve the Raptors. So it piqued my interest because it is unusual and I asked him about.
His explanation of them being really active and having a hole he thinks they can fill (as well as him pointing out that he recently wanted the Celtics to get Dedmon makes some sense) so TP to him. If your idea that he is actually a Cavs fan is correct I would love to stand corrected cause i have debated with him many times and don't believe he has ever mentioned it to me.
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I mean in the Dedmon thread, I made a trade to Boston because I think Dedmon would be a nice fit on the Celtics and the Celtics actually have the contracts able to acquire him. Walker in Boston though is a terrible fit, would be hard to match his contract (without significantly overpaying), and there isn't really anyone else on the Hornets worth acquiring.
I agree he is not a good fit, but couldn't we acquire a player at that contract size sort of easily using the DPE and an immediate trade? Say throwing a second rounder to Sacramento for Vince Carter into the DPE and then immediately (or quickly) shipping him for a player making up to 5 Mil more per year? Somebody may have to check me on the specifics of how much salary can come back in that scenario but I think its 13.4 total as a possibility.
Just thought you would want to keep it in mind, it seems that like me you spend a lot of time thinking about trade possibilities.
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Would Cleveland trade IT (plus another contract like Frye) for Kemba?
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I mean in the Dedmon thread, I made a trade to Boston because I think Dedmon would be a nice fit on the Celtics and the Celtics actually have the contracts able to acquire him. Walker in Boston though is a terrible fit, would be hard to match his contract (without significantly overpaying), and there isn't really anyone else on the Hornets worth acquiring.
I agree he is not a good fit, but couldn't we acquire a player at that contract size sort of easily using the DPE and an immediate trade? Say throwing a second rounder to Sacramento for Vince Carter into the DPE and then immediately (or quickly) shipping him for a player making up to 5 Mil more per year? Somebody may have to check me on the specifics of how much salary can come back in that scenario but I think its 13.4 total as a possibility.
Just thought you would want to keep it in mind, it seems that like me you spend a lot of time thinking about trade possibilities.
Are we even sure we can trade someone acquired with the DPE?
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My first thought was Phoenix. Could take on some of CHA's worst contracts with a combination of Chandler, Monroe, Dudley, Len, Alan Williams, etc. Salary dump + Kemba for salary dump plus assets.
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Walker, Dwight, and Batum to Cleveland for Love, IT, Tristan, Jae, and Frye works.
That might give Cleveland a real chance at another title.
They would HAVE to off load Batum as soon as possible AFTER this year however to afford to re-up Kemba.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6996255
Thoughts?
I HOPE this does NOT happen!!!
I think this is fair for Charlotte as well. Quite good for the Hornets to be frank.
Smitty77
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Walker, Dwight, and Batum to Cleveland for Love, IT, Tristan, Jae, and Frye works.
That might give Cleveland a real chance at another title.
They would HAVE to off load Batum as soon as possible AFTER this year however to afford to re-up Kemba.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6996255
Thoughts?
I HOPE this does NOT happen!!!
I think this is fair for Charlotte as well. Quite good for the Hornets to be frank.
Smitty77
IT is not tradeable right now. He is shooting 25% from 3, 37% from field and playing his usual bad defense. The right to offer him a max contract has very little value. Love and Thompson are solid enough players (and IT if he improves at all) that they stop the Hornets from completely bottoming out for a top 3 pick (which would be the whole point of trading all those guys).
I also don't think given how much Cleveland has struggled this year and Lebron has openly lamented not having consistent rotations because of injuries that he would be interested in having a 60% turnover in the starting lineup 50 games in. Does that really seem like something the Cavs would do? I do think they would consider trading Thompson and shumpert and the brooklyn pick for Gasol or Jordan if they were to become available, but it is a lot easier to work in one new starter than 3.
So I don't think that is a deal either side would really do.
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My first thought was Phoenix. Could take on some of CHA's worst contracts with a combination of Chandler, Monroe, Dudley, Len, Alan Williams, etc. Salary dump + Kemba for salary dump plus assets.
Yes I could see this being the kind of deal that Phoenix would do to try and get relevant around their youth. I am not sure if Walker and Booker can play together, but next year with some continued growth from Bender, Chriss, Booker and Jackson they could be a lower end playoff team with Howard, Batum and Walker bridging the gap. This also accomplsihes Charlotte's primary goal of bottoming out.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1/19/16910152/kemba-walker-charlotte-hornets-trade-tanking
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There's no way the Cs are interested, are they? I mean, the only concern I'd have would be the pride of Kemba, but imagine running Kemba in the second unit?
A package of Smart, Morris, and either Rozier or Yabusele would be better than any package that's been mentioned in this thread so far.
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Charlotte wants to dump some bad contracts and get an asset, so it will be interesting to see what type of offers are made.
The Cavs came to mind as they could move Thomas and they have a lot of contracts of varying sizes and length to match up with some of Charlotte's poor contracts.
I mean would something like Walker, Batum, Williams for Thomas, Shumpert, Frye, and Thompson be appealing to both teams. Cavs can add in Osman, Zizic, their own 1st as necessary. The trade saves Charlotte a ton of long term money and they get a guy in Thomas who could be the face of their franchise going forward. Would it be different for Charlotte if Howard instead of Batum went out?
Walker would be very interesting on the Knicks, but they don't have the contracts to really acquire Walker let alone any of the other bad contracts on the Hornets.
Denver makes a lot of sense and they do have a lot of contracts and can provide some quality players.
You realize every single time a player is rumored to be on the block you talk about how they "could make sense" on Cleveland and propose a way to get them there. You have done it with Bledsoe, Blake, Jordan, Kemba in the last few months alone. It's strange to spend so much time trying to improve the squad of one of our main rivals. What is the deal with that?
True, but it's a trade that makes a lot of sense for both teams IMO, so kudos to Rick.
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My first thought was Phoenix. Could take on some of CHA's worst contracts with a combination of Chandler, Monroe, Dudley, Len, Alan Williams, etc. Salary dump + Kemba for salary dump plus assets.
Yes I could see this being the kind of deal that Phoenix would do to try and get relevant around their youth. I am not sure if Walker and Booker can play together, but next year with some continued growth from Bender, Chriss, Booker and Jackson they could be a lower end playoff team with Howard, Batum and Walker bridging the gap. This also accomplsihes Charlotte's primary goal of bottoming out.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1/19/16910152/kemba-walker-charlotte-hornets-trade-tanking
CONTINUED growth from Bender?:-))) He literally is ranked last, 96th in RPM and is 94th in defensive RPM. I so NO growth, but perhaps even REGRESSION IF that is EVEN POSSIBLE with Bender. Bender is NOT an NBA player, period!!!
Smitty77
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I mean in the Dedmon thread, I made a trade to Boston because I think Dedmon would be a nice fit on the Celtics and the Celtics actually have the contracts able to acquire him. Walker in Boston though is a terrible fit, would be hard to match his contract (without significantly overpaying), and there isn't really anyone else on the Hornets worth acquiring.
I agree he is not a good fit, but couldn't we acquire a player at that contract size sort of easily using the DPE and an immediate trade? Say throwing a second rounder to Sacramento for Vince Carter into the DPE and then immediately (or quickly) shipping him for a player making up to 5 Mil more per year? Somebody may have to check me on the specifics of how much salary can come back in that scenario but I think its 13.4 total as a possibility.
Just thought you would want to keep it in mind, it seems that like me you spend a lot of time thinking about trade possibilities.
Are we even sure we can trade someone acquired with the DPE?
I'm fairly confident, sources like the below link seem to imply that anyway.
http://www.celticshub.com/2017/11/30/disabled-player-exception-tricks-timing/ (http://www.celticshub.com/2017/11/30/disabled-player-exception-tricks-timing/)
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I mean in the Dedmon thread, I made a trade to Boston because I think Dedmon would be a nice fit on the Celtics and the Celtics actually have the contracts able to acquire him. Walker in Boston though is a terrible fit, would be hard to match his contract (without significantly overpaying), and there isn't really anyone else on the Hornets worth acquiring.
I agree he is not a good fit, but couldn't we acquire a player at that contract size sort of easily using the DPE and an immediate trade? Say throwing a second rounder to Sacramento for Vince Carter into the DPE and then immediately (or quickly) shipping him for a player making up to 5 Mil more per year? Somebody may have to check me on the specifics of how much salary can come back in that scenario but I think its 13.4 total as a possibility.
Just thought you would want to keep it in mind, it seems that like me you spend a lot of time thinking about trade possibilities.
Are we even sure we can trade someone acquired with the DPE?
I'm fairly confident, sources like the below link seem to imply that anyway.
http://www.celticshub.com/2017/11/30/disabled-player-exception-tricks-timing/ (http://www.celticshub.com/2017/11/30/disabled-player-exception-tricks-timing/)
Thanks. It's worth pointing out that we can no longer aggregate, because there's a wait period of 1 month, and the trade deadline is Feb 8. But we can run a three-teamer where we grab an expiring contract and move it for someone who's signed beyond this season right away.
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I mean in the Dedmon thread, I made a trade to Boston because I think Dedmon would be a nice fit on the Celtics and the Celtics actually have the contracts able to acquire him. Walker in Boston though is a terrible fit, would be hard to match his contract (without significantly overpaying), and there isn't really anyone else on the Hornets worth acquiring.
I agree he is not a good fit, but couldn't we acquire a player at that contract size sort of easily using the DPE and an immediate trade? Say throwing a second rounder to Sacramento for Vince Carter into the DPE and then immediately (or quickly) shipping him for a player making up to 5 Mil more per year? Somebody may have to check me on the specifics of how much salary can come back in that scenario but I think its 13.4 total as a possibility.
Just thought you would want to keep it in mind, it seems that like me you spend a lot of time thinking about trade possibilities.
Are we even sure we can trade someone acquired with the DPE?
I'm fairly confident, sources like the below link seem to imply that anyway.
http://www.celticshub.com/2017/11/30/disabled-player-exception-tricks-timing/ (http://www.celticshub.com/2017/11/30/disabled-player-exception-tricks-timing/)
Thanks. It's worth pointing out that we can no longer aggregate, because there's a wait period of 1 month, and the trade deadline is Feb 8. But we can run a three-teamer where we grab an expiring contract and move it for someone who's signed beyond this season right away.
You're correct, but in my example we're not aggregating or adding players to the trade, simply acquiring one DPE via trade and then flipping them. As long as they're traded alone it can be done almost instantly. This happened a lot a few years back when Danny was flipping guys left and right. I think we had something like 40 guys touch the roster that year.
If we did the instant flip on a guy like Vince Carter (making 8 mil) we could actually take on a guy with multiple years on his deal for 13 mil or less (i was wrong earlier about the extra .4 mil).
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My first thought was Phoenix. Could take on some of CHA's worst contracts with a combination of Chandler, Monroe, Dudley, Len, Alan Williams, etc. Salary dump + Kemba for salary dump plus assets.
Yes I could see this being the kind of deal that Phoenix would do to try and get relevant around their youth. I am not sure if Walker and Booker can play together, but next year with some continued growth from Bender, Chriss, Booker and Jackson they could be a lower end playoff team with Howard, Batum and Walker bridging the gap. This also accomplsihes Charlotte's primary goal of bottoming out.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1/19/16910152/kemba-walker-charlotte-hornets-trade-tanking
CONTINUED growth from Bender?:-))) He literally is ranked last, 96th in RPM and is 94th in defensive RPM. I so NO growth, but perhaps even REGRESSION IF that is EVEN POSSIBLE with Bender. Bender is NOT an NBA player, period!!!
Smitty77
He has had a few games he has looked ok this year and only just turned 20. He is also shooting 37% from 3 on the year. I don't think he is a super elite prospect and could very well be a bust, but I wouldn't completly write him off either.
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My first thought was Phoenix. Could take on some of CHA's worst contracts with a combination of Chandler, Monroe, Dudley, Len, Alan Williams, etc. Salary dump + Kemba for salary dump plus assets.
Yes I could see this being the kind of deal that Phoenix would do to try and get relevant around their youth. I am not sure if Walker and Booker can play together, but next year with some continued growth from Bender, Chriss, Booker and Jackson they could be a lower end playoff team with Howard, Batum and Walker bridging the gap. This also accomplsihes Charlotte's primary goal of bottoming out.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2018/1/19/16910152/kemba-walker-charlotte-hornets-trade-tanking
CONTINUED growth from Bender?:-))) He literally is ranked last, 96th in RPM and is 94th in defensive RPM. I so NO growth, but perhaps even REGRESSION IF that is EVEN POSSIBLE with Bender. Bender is NOT an NBA player, period!!!
Smitty77
He has had a few games he has looked ok this year and only just turned 20. He is also shooting 37% from 3 on the year. I don't think he is a super elite prospect and could very well be a bust, but I wouldn't completly write him off either.
Bender might not be same level of player as KP as he was often compared to in predraft but he will not be a bust. The little I have seen of him he seems like a system player. Put him in BS offense and he would thrive. I image playing ina structured offense with a real pg he would be very effective as a pick and pop big and setting up for the corner 3.
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Walker, Dwight, and Batum to Cleveland for Love, IT, Tristan, Jae, and Frye works.
That might give Cleveland a real chance at another title.
They would HAVE to off load Batum as soon as possible AFTER this year however to afford to re-up Kemba.
https://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/6996255
Thoughts?
I HOPE this does NOT happen!!!
I think this is fair for Charlotte as well. Quite good for the Hornets to be frank.
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I don't see why Charlotte would do this or how this would definitely improve the Cavs.
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Mark Stein discussed Kemba Walker being on the trading block on Monday's Dunc'd On podcast. The Knicks were at the top of their list. Maybe something like Ntilikina, Thomas and the Knicks 1st with some protection for Walker.
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Mark Stein discussed Kemba Walker being on the trading block on Monday's Dunc'd On podcast. The Knicks were at the top of their list. Maybe something like Ntilikina, Thomas and the Knicks 1st with some protection for Walker.
This makes a lot of sense to me and would like to see him playing in MSG
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Mark Stein discussed Kemba Walker being on the trading block on Monday's Dunc'd On podcast. The Knicks were at the top of their list. Maybe something like Ntilikina, Thomas and the Knicks 1st with some protection for Walker.
Something I could definitely see happening, but why would the Knicks want to give up Ntilikina? They seem very high on him, and I think him and KP would be the perfect duo to match up next to each other age-wise. The two could be a deadly one two punch in the future.
My main issue with Walker, Thomas, and Irving/Lillard is that they never really seem to be above average passers. They make the right play, and make the right pass most of the time, but they never really seem to get other players involved to an extent where their numbers are clearly progressively improved due to their ability to play make.
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Mark Stein discussed Kemba Walker being on the trading block on Monday's Dunc'd On podcast. The Knicks were at the top of their list. Maybe something like Ntilikina, Thomas and the Knicks 1st with some protection for Walker.
Something I could definitely see happening, but why would the Knicks want to give up Ntilikina? They seem very high on him, and I think him and KP would be the perfect duo to match up next to each other age-wise. The two could be a deadly one two punch in the future.
My main issue with Walker, Thomas, and Irving/Lillard is that they never really seem to be above average passers. They make the right play, and make the right pass most of the time, but they never really seem to get other players involved to an extent where their numbers are clearly progressively improved due to their ability to play make.
The Hornets have no reason to trade Kemba unless they get a good return. Ntilikina was drafted by Jackson not the current regime so their commitment to him may not be that strong.
If I'm the Knicks, I'd first try to include dumping Noah as part of the trade but I didn't see anything realistic that the Hornets would accept.
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If you're Philadelphia, do you trade Markelle Fultz for Kemba Walker?
OMG
The process .....
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If you're Philadelphia, do you trade Markelle Fultz for Kemba Walker?
Im sure the 76ers wont do this but it might be their best move. Embiid is such an injury risk that they should be building a roster that can compete for a championship in the next 3 years. Its sad but most likely Embiid is going to have a Yao like career. Making drastic win now moves might be able to get them a couple deep playoff runs and then they can move on to a team built around Simmons
The Sixers should definitely not trade Fultz for Kemba. Kemba doesn't make them a contender. Simmons is their current and future PG and Kemba isn't a good fit. As for Embiid, the Sixers clearly aren't that concerned with his long term health considering they signed him to a max deal with rather limited financial protections. Embiid has had no foot issues since his 2nd surgery. The same surgery that Durant had after his 1st surgery didn't work. From what I've read, Ilgauskas, who came back to have and long career, and Yao had much more significant foot issues than Embiid.
If I'm the Sixers, I'd try to get Sweet Lou or Tyreke. Both of them are on 1 year contracts so they won't hurt next season's cap space but they'd provide offensive firepower that the Sixers need to make the playoffs this season. In the offseason, I'd probably go aggressively after Paul George. Simmons, Covington, George, Embiid and Fultz (if he gets his act together) would be a nasty starting lineup.
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If you're Philadelphia, do you trade Markelle Fultz for Kemba Walker?
Im sure the 76ers wont do this but it might be their best move. Embiid is such an injury risk that they should be building a roster that can compete for a championship in the next 3 years. Its sad but most likely Embiid is going to have a Yao like career. Making drastic win now moves might be able to get them a couple deep playoff runs and then they can move on to a team built around Simmons
The Sixers should definitely not trade Fultz for Kemba. Kemba doesn't make them a contender. Simmons is their current and future PG and Kemba isn't a good fit. As for Embiid, the Sixers clearly aren't that concerned with his long term health considering they signed him to a max deal with rather limited financial protections. Embiid has had no foot issues since his 2nd surgery. The same surgery that Durant had after his 1st surgery didn't work. From what I've read, Ilgauskas, who came back to have and long career, and Yao had much more significant foot issues than Embiid.
If I'm the Sixers, I'd try to get Sweet Lou or Tyreke. Both of them are on 1 year contracts so they won't hurt next season's cap space but they'd provide offensive firepower that the Sixers need to make the playoffs this season. In the offseason, I'd probably go aggressively after Paul George. Simmons, Covington, George, Embiid and Fultz (if he gets his act together) would be a nasty starting lineup.
I am not sure what is wrong with Covington but he has not been the same player since he signed his extension. He is shooting about 35% from the field the last month and a half. In 5 January games he is averaging 7 points on 33% shooting with 2.2 turnovers against 1.6 assists (30% from 3) woof. Wonder if he is injured.
On a larger level can't really figure out why George would want to go to a different team over his stated desire of playing in LA.
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If Thomas is included in a trade for Walker, will Isaiah and Lebron have their numbers retired by the Cavs on the same day next year?
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If you're Philadelphia, do you trade Markelle Fultz for Kemba Walker?
Yes. But I want a 1st back or Monk as well.
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Would Cleveland trade IT (plus another contract like Frye) for Kemba?
Yes.
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If you're Philadelphia, do you trade Markelle Fultz for Kemba Walker?
Im sure the 76ers wont do this but it might be their best move. Embiid is such an injury risk that they should be building a roster that can compete for a championship in the next 3 years. Its sad but most likely Embiid is going to have a Yao like career. Making drastic win now moves might be able to get them a couple deep playoff runs and then they can move on to a team built around Simmons
The Sixers should definitely not trade Fultz for Kemba. Kemba doesn't make them a contender. Simmons is their current and future PG and Kemba isn't a good fit. As for Embiid, the Sixers clearly aren't that concerned with his long term health considering they signed him to a max deal with rather limited financial protections. Embiid has had no foot issues since his 2nd surgery. The same surgery that Durant had after his 1st surgery didn't work. From what I've read, Ilgauskas, who came back to have and long career, and Yao had much more significant foot issues than Embiid.
If I'm the Sixers, I'd try to get Sweet Lou or Tyreke. Both of them are on 1 year contracts so they won't hurt next season's cap space but they'd provide offensive firepower that the Sixers need to make the playoffs this season. In the offseason, I'd probably go aggressively after Paul George. Simmons, Covington, George, Embiid and Fultz (if he gets his act together) would be a nasty starting lineup.
I am not sure what is wrong with Covington but he has not been the same player since he signed his extension. He is shooting about 35% from the field the last month and a half. In 5 January games he is averaging 7 points on 33% shooting with 2.2 turnovers against 1.6 assists (30% from 3) woof. Wonder if he is injured.
On a larger level can't really figure out why George would want to go to a different team over his stated desire of playing in LA.
Covington is a streaky shooter. Last season, he shot horribly the 1st couple months or so. He also hurt is back in December so maybe that is having some effect.
If George just wants to go to LA, he wouldn't. If he wants to be on a playoff team and potential contender, he should. The Lakers are a mess and George won't make them that much better.
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If the Spurs could finagle it, Walker would be amazing as Parker's replacement and set them up for continued contention for a while. But I don't think they have the pieces.
Orlando is a really interesting trade partner. What if Orlando offered Hezonja, Payton, and Mack (for money purposes) with a first rounder? Orlando needs to do something drastic because they are terrible. A core of Walker, Gordon, Fournier, Vucevic, and Simmons is an interesting one going forward. If Charlotte can get a decent pick and gamble of some young guys who were drafted high but haven't panned out... Is there a team that's going to outbid that?
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If the Spurs could finagle it, Walker would be amazing as Parker's replacement and set them up for continued contention for a while. But I don't think they have the pieces.
Dejounte Murray + Patty Mills + multiple picks.
Will that do it?
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If the Spurs could finagle it, Walker would be amazing as Parker's replacement and set them up for continued contention for a while. But I don't think they have the pieces.
Dejounte Murray + Patty Mills + multiple picks.
Will that do it?
If I was Charlotte, neither Murray (a non-shooting guard) not Mills (29 years old) hold any interest for me and the Spurs picks are unlikely to be very good, especially if they have Walker. So no.
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I hope the NYK deal goes down. I think they'd love him there. He's been a legend as MSG since UConn, and they're dying for a new star / potential face of the franchise. I was surprised that they passed on DSJ for that reason alone.
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Mark Stein discussed Kemba Walker being on the trading block on Monday's Dunc'd On podcast. The Knicks were at the top of their list. Maybe something like Ntilikina, Thomas and the Knicks 1st with some protection for Walker.
Something I could definitely see happening, but why would the Knicks want to give up Ntilikina? They seem very high on him, and I think him and KP would be the perfect duo to match up next to each other age-wise. The two could be a deadly one two punch in the future.
My main issue with Walker, Thomas, and Irving/Lillard is that they never really seem to be above average passers. They make the right play, and make the right pass most of the time, but they never really seem to get other players involved to an extent where their numbers are clearly progressively improved due to their ability to play make.
The Hornets have no reason to trade Kemba unless they get a good return. Ntilikina was drafted by Jackson not the current regime so their commitment to him may not be that strong.
If I'm the Knicks, I'd first try to include dumping Noah as part of the trade but I didn't see anything realistic that the Hornets would accept.
Charlotte is not as bad as a team as their record suggests. Maybe it's partly the coach who's to blame, but to blow it up and trade your best player in this situation is pretty ballsy. On the other hand there's a clear ceiling on what that team can achieve (first round playoffs), due to having some very expensive contracts.
I would only trade Walker if I got good value in return. He's a (borderline) All Star and on a good contract. To make this publicly makes it harder to withdraw from negotations and resign him next year (and keep him as face of the franchise). On the other hand, now it's in the open the Hornets might be able to get teams to bid against each other. Even though the league is full with excellent guards, there could be several teams with serious interest for Walker.
If you look at the team at first glance there doesn't seem to be much value elsewhere and it doesn't make sense to trade a rookie like Monk. Some big contracts for Batum, Howard, Williams, Kidd-Gilchrist and C. Zeller, which don't look appealing in a vacuum. However, these players might not be great, they're not garbage either. Howard for instance, quietly has a very productive season. I think Zeller is undervalued so if I were the Hornets I would keep him.
Let's look at some opportunities for Charlotte to make some great trades for the future. Who are teams that should be looking for immediate improvement? And what needs to they have?
1. Cleveland: Thomas looks to be a bad fit on the team, especially defensively. Walker is a sure thing as being able to fill the role as starting PG. To make further improvements defensively they may be interested in Howard and offloading some bad contracts in the process. Brooklyn pick is the main piece they have to offer.
2. New York: They have a young point guard with Ntilikina with great potential, but it will take some years to develop him. Right now they're in a playoff race and the team could make a big step forward if they had an elite guard with Walker. That would take pressure of Porzingis as well. The Knicks also need wings. Batum or Kidd-Gilchrist would provide a solution for SF. Then they would get rid of Noah.
3. Denver: Another team that is looking to make the playoffs. Join Walker with Millsap and Jokic and you certainly have an interesting looking core there. Murray is the price to pay. They will also be interested in a team to take on Faried as salary filler as he's hardly getting playing time. He actually is a good player that the Hornets could easily pick up.
4. Philadelphia: The weird case of Markelle Fultz could even get weirder if he was traded in his first season in the NBA after only playing 76 minutes. The 76ers might have enough with these struggles and rather get a point guard who's guaranteed to give a high level of play and also some experience. If they're worried of sharing the ball handling duties with Simmons. Why did they make a big trade to be able to draft a PG in the first place?
5. Utah: This summer they traded for a new PG with Ricky Rubio. That is not really working with his assist number way down from previous years. He's not a scoring presence either like Walker. A back court with Walker and Mitchell would be great for that franchise. Then they finally have the PG they've been longing for years. The Jazz could offer the bird rights of Hood, Exum and some cap relief.
In another topic I'll do a proposal for a full blow up of the team by Charlotte. That involves Cleveland, New York and New Orleans. Let me know what you think!
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I'm not sure what kind of draft picks it would take but I can see Utah wanting Kemba and being willing to take on Batum.
They have a lot of salary coming off the books and if they wanted to build around Kemba and Gobert it could work.
I would love to get Kemba on the Celtics but I don't think taking on bad contracts is a price worth paying at this juncture.
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took 'em this long to realize kemba is not a guy to build around?
this could be a real fun trade deadline, i'm convinced one way or another the cavs will look completely different when we play 'em in the playoffs.
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took 'em this long to realize kemba is not a guy to build around?
this could be a real fun trade deadline, i'm convinced one way or another the cavs will look completely different when we play 'em in the playoffs.
This is less about Kemba and more about all of the other mistakes that franchise has made.
The Hornets are in cap hell with no way out. Batum is a nightmare contract. Howard is a bad contract. Zeller, MKG, Williams... all expensive, all not giving them enough. That's $84M locked up in players who don't help you win.
Kemba Walker, in contrast, is a good player on a very good deal. He could help them shed some money or bring some legitimate future assets back. It's not that they realize that he won't bring them to the promised land. It's that they realize that they're ****ed and trading Kemba is the best way to start digging out.
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took 'em this long to realize kemba is not a guy to build around?
this could be a real fun trade deadline, i'm convinced one way or another the cavs will look completely different when we play 'em in the playoffs.
This is less about Kemba and more about all of the other mistakes that franchise has made.
The Hornets are in cap hell with no way out. Batum is a nightmare contract. Howard is a bad contract. Zeller, MKG, Williams... all expensive, all not giving them enough. That's $84M locked up in players who don't help you win.
Kemba Walker, in contrast, is a good player on a very good deal. He could help them shed some money or bring some legitimate future assets back. It's not that they realize that he won't bring them to the promised land. It's that they realize that they're ****ed and trading Kemba is the best way to start digging out.
Huge buy-low opportunity for someone. This reminds me of Isaiah Thomas and Victor Oladipo where people undervalued dynamic guards because they were in terrible situations for their entire careers.
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I hope the NYK deal goes down. I think they'd love him there. He's been a legend as MSG since UConn, and they're dying for a new star / potential face of the franchise. I was surprised that they passed on DSJ for that reason alone.
Yeah, seems like a good fit for both parties. TP, tar.
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took 'em this long to realize kemba is not a guy to build around?
this could be a real fun trade deadline, i'm convinced one way or another the cavs will look completely different when we play 'em in the playoffs.
This is less about Kemba and more about all of the other mistakes that franchise has made.
The Hornets are in cap hell with no way out. Batum is a nightmare contract. Howard is a bad contract. Zeller, MKG, Williams... all expensive, all not giving them enough. That's $84M locked up in players who don't help you win.
Kemba Walker, in contrast, is a good player on a very good deal. He could help them shed some money or bring some legitimate future assets back. It's not that they realize that he won't bring them to the promised land. It's that they realize that they're ****ed and trading Kemba is the best way to start digging out.
Huge buy-low opportunity for someone. This reminds me of Isaiah Thomas and Victor Oladipo where people undervalued dynamic guards because they were in terrible situations for their entire careers.
It isn't buy low if you have to take on one of the Hornets bad contracts.
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If Kemba was willing to be a 6th man and occasional starter, trading just Smart and Morris works on trade checker.
We obviously can't meet their requirement of taking on bad contracts without sending them Horford, so that's not happening.
But we do have other expendable assets that may be worth more to CHA than to Boston
Smart, Morris, Yabu, Boston 2018 1st for Walker is a pretty good return for them.
Then Boston uses the DPE on Julius Randle/Monroe to shore up the front court
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With the recent slump and obvious shortage of offense off the bench, what is the MOST you would give up for 1 1/2 seasons of Kemba Walker (maybe more if he loves the culture and we find success with him going small ball)?
Smart, Yabusele, Rozier, Larkin, and a various combination of picks work in the trade checker.
That is a nice young nucleus for an all-star caliber player who is clearly planning to leave for nothing. It also guts our logjam at guard and brings back a fourth star, which you need to compete in today's NBA. Can you imagine 2 PG small ball lineups of:
Walker
Irving
Hayward
Tatum
Horford
That team is basically unguardable, and is loaded with several shot creators.
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Jordan said he wants an all star in return, so that pretty much eliminates most teams. Now I'm sure if a team gave them a bunch of cap relief and some assets or picks, they might soften that all star requirement, but who knows. That likely eliminates Boston as it isn't trading an all star (or near all star) and can't provide cap relief.
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Do you think the Lakers pick gets it done? We could re-sign him and have a big 4 ala the warriors...
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Do you think the Lakers pick gets it done? We could re-sign him and have a big 4 ala the warriors...
I wouldn't give up the Lakers pick for a PG worse than Irving.