Trade Irving for the sake of the team

[KungPoweChicken]

Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW

It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.

I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.

I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.

I said playing them together would not be successful, which is true. Allocating half the team's salary cap to big men will fail.

It is?

You think allocating half the salary cap to big men will be successful?

[RJ87]

Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW

It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.

I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.

I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.

I said playing them together would not be successful, which is true. Allocating half the team's salary cap to big men will fail.

It is?

You think allocating half the salary cap to big men will be successful?

I'm talking about your assertion that they can't play together. And Al's next contract will not be $30m annually, but keep moving those goalposts.

[KungPoweChicken]

Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW

It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.

I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.

I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.

I said playing them together would not be successful, which is true. Allocating half the team's salary cap to big men will fail.

It is?

You think allocating half the salary cap to big men will be successful?

I'm talking about your assertion that they can't play together. And Al's next contract will not be $30m annually, but keep moving those goalposts.

So add Davis' max contract and add whatever you think Horford's next contract will be. Then subtract that number from the salary cap.

[ozgod]

This thread still alive is it 

[RJ87]

Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW

It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.

I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.

I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.

I said playing them together would not be successful, which is true. Allocating half the team's salary cap to big men will fail.

It is?

You think allocating half the salary cap to big men will be successful?

I'm talking about your assertion that they can't play together. And Al's next contract will not be $30m annually, but keep moving those goalposts.

So add Davis' max contract and add whatever you think Horford's next contract will be. Then subtract that number from the salary cap.

So you've realized you're "the can't play together" argument was faulty and punted, I see.

[KungPoweChicken]

Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW

It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.

I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.

I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.

I said playing them together would not be successful, which is true. Allocating half the team's salary cap to big men will fail.

It is?

You think allocating half the salary cap to big men will be successful?

I'm talking about your assertion that they can't play together. And Al's next contract will not be $30m annually, but keep moving those goalposts.

So add Davis' max contract and add whatever you think Horford's next contract will be. Then subtract that number from the salary cap.

So you've realized you're "the can't play together" argument was faulty and punted, I see.

You can acknowledge and address the argument. If you're not going to, I'm done participating.

[gouki88]

Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW

It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.

I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.

I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.

I said playing them together would not be successful, which is true. Allocating half the team's salary cap to big men will fail.

It is?

You think allocating half the salary cap to big men will be successful?

I'm talking about your assertion that they can't play together. And Al's next contract will not be $30m annually, but keep moving those goalposts.

So add Davis' max contract and add whatever you think Horford's next contract will be. Then subtract that number from the salary cap.

So you've realized you're "the can't play together" argument was faulty and punted, I see.

Lol. There really is no point

[RJ87]

Trade Irving for Kuzma, Hart and 1st

This team as constructed cant beat the GSW.

Develop the "future" .... not put all eggs in one basket (Irving) and risk alienating several others

I'd rather trade Brown or Tatum for Anthony Davis. That future sounds much, much better to me.

Davis and Irving cant beat the GSW

It has an almost infinitely higher chance than the team you proposed. If Irving and Al nearly did tonight, then I'm pretty happy to go with Irving, AD and Al, plus GH and some young pieces

You cant have all you listed under one team

Nice try

Why not?

Horford
Davis
Hayward
Brown
Irving

We'd lose some depth, but depth is overrated.

I don't see how playing Davis and Horford together will be successful.

Why wouldn't it be?  The large majority of teams still play with a PF and C on the floor at the same time.

I just don't have any hope in tying up half the team's salary cap in big men with today's NBA. After Horford's contract is up, he would probably take 30 million on a two year deal. But that will still be a 50 million a year obligation in essentially two centers.

First you said they can't play together (but they'd complement each other very well on both ends), now you're talking about salary. You're moving the goal posts.

I said playing them together would not be successful, which is true. Allocating half the team's salary cap to big men will fail.

It is?

You think allocating half the salary cap to big men will be successful?

I'm talking about your assertion that they can't play together. And Al's next contract will not be $30m annually, but keep moving those goalposts.

So add Davis' max contract and add whatever you think Horford's next contract will be. Then subtract that number from the salary cap.

So you've realized you're "the can't play together" argument was faulty and punted, I see.

Lol. There really is no point

Seriously man. It's sad.

[Moranis]

While I think Horford and Davis can play together, Al is getting old and doesn't have much left in the tank.  In a perfect world, he would be the salary going to New Orleans in the trade.  With his salary the trade could be enlarged to include Holiday (who I don't think New Orleans would really want to keep going forward)

So next summer I'd be good with something like this

Horford, Tatum, Smart, Yabu, and the 1st's

for

Davis, Holiday

So post trade for next year with the main rotation (maybe Rozier is brought back, maybe not)

PG - Irving, Holiday
SG - Holiday, Brown
SF - Hayward, Brown, Semi
PF - Morris, Davis, Theis
C - Davis, Baynes, Williams

I like that team even without Rozier.  Still have MLE to add some vets to the team.

[Tr1boy]

While I think Horford and Davis can play together, Al is getting old and doesn't have much left in the tank.  In a perfect world, he would be the salary going to New Orleans in the trade.  With his salary the trade could be enlarged to include Holiday (who I don't think New Orleans would really want to keep going forward)

So next summer I'd be good with something like this

Horford, Tatum, Smart, Yabu, and the 1st's

for

Davis, Holiday

So post trade for next year with the main rotation (maybe Rozier is brought back, maybe not)

PG - Irving, Holiday
SG - Holiday, Brown
SF - Hayward, Brown, Semi
PF - Morris, Davis, Theis
C - Davis, Baynes, Williams

I like that team even without Rozier.  Still have MLE to add some vets to the team.

Exactly

Horford contract needs to go out in order to bring in Davis

Or Irving

[Eddie20]

While I think Horford and Davis can play together, Al is getting old and doesn't have much left in the tank.  In a perfect world, he would be the salary going to New Orleans in the trade.  With his salary the trade could be enlarged to include Holiday (who I don't think New Orleans would really want to keep going forward)

So next summer I'd be good with something like this

Horford, Tatum, Smart, Yabu, and the 1st's

for

Davis, Holiday

So post trade for next year with the main rotation (maybe Rozier is brought back, maybe not)

PG - Irving, Holiday
SG - Holiday, Brown
SF - Hayward, Brown, Semi
PF - Morris, Davis, Theis
C - Davis, Baynes, Williams

I like that team even without Rozier.  Still have MLE to add some vets to the team.

Exactly

Horford contract needs to go out in order to bring in Davis

Or Irving

Yeah, well, it actually doesn’t.

ESPN has a neat little feature called “Trade Machine”, which I think you should look into. It’ll help you understand things a little better and should reduce the volume of ridiculous ideas posted.

[elcotte]

While I think Horford and Davis can play together, Al is getting old and doesn't have much left in the tank.  In a perfect world, he would be the salary going to New Orleans in the trade.  With his salary the trade could be enlarged to include Holiday (who I don't think New Orleans would really want to keep going forward)

So next summer I'd be good with something like this

Horford, Tatum, Smart, Yabu, and the 1st's

for

Davis, Holiday

So post trade for next year with the main rotation (maybe Rozier is brought back, maybe not)

PG - Irving, Holiday
SG - Holiday, Brown
SF - Hayward, Brown, Semi
PF - Morris, Davis, Theis
C - Davis, Baynes, Williams

I like that team even without Rozier.  Still have MLE to add some vets to the team.

Exactly

Horford contract needs to go out in order to bring in Davis

Or Irving

Yeah, well, it actually doesn’t.

ESPN has a neat little feature called “Trade Machine”, which I think you should look into. It’ll help you understand things a little better and should reduce the volume of ridiculous ideas posted.

Good idea. I hope you're right!

[Tr1boy]

While I think Horford and Davis can play together, Al is getting old and doesn't have much left in the tank.  In a perfect world, he would be the salary going to New Orleans in the trade.  With his salary the trade could be enlarged to include Holiday (who I don't think New Orleans would really want to keep going forward)

So next summer I'd be good with something like this

Horford, Tatum, Smart, Yabu, and the 1st's

for

Davis, Holiday

So post trade for next year with the main rotation (maybe Rozier is brought back, maybe not)

PG - Irving, Holiday
SG - Holiday, Brown
SF - Hayward, Brown, Semi
PF - Morris, Davis, Theis
C - Davis, Baynes, Williams

I like that team even without Rozier.  Still have MLE to add some vets to the team.

Exactly

Horford contract needs to go out in order to bring in Davis

Or Irving

Yeah, well, it actually doesn’t.

ESPN has a neat little feature called “Trade Machine”, which I think you should look into. It’ll help you understand things a little better and should reduce the volume of ridiculous ideas posted.

Your reply is ridiculous

Iam not trading Smart over Horford

Show us your smart machine trade proposal for Davis

[Moranis]

While I think Horford and Davis can play together, Al is getting old and doesn't have much left in the tank.  In a perfect world, he would be the salary going to New Orleans in the trade.  With his salary the trade could be enlarged to include Holiday (who I don't think New Orleans would really want to keep going forward)

So next summer I'd be good with something like this

Horford, Tatum, Smart, Yabu, and the 1st's

for

Davis, Holiday

So post trade for next year with the main rotation (maybe Rozier is brought back, maybe not)

PG - Irving, Holiday
SG - Holiday, Brown
SF - Hayward, Brown, Semi
PF - Morris, Davis, Theis
C - Davis, Baynes, Williams

I like that team even without Rozier.  Still have MLE to add some vets to the team.

Exactly

Horford contract needs to go out in order to bring in Davis

Or Irving

Horford's (or Irving) contract does not need to go out to acquire Davis, I just think it makes the most sense given his age.

[nickagneta]

My trade is Tatum, Smart, Williams and sign and trade the Sacramento and Boston pick too.

The salaries match and you get

Kyrie
Brown
Hayward(should be back to Utah Hayward by next year)
Horford(opts out re-signs a 4 year $60-66 million contract freeing up $13-15 million in roster salary)
Davis

Baynes
Ojeleye
Morris(re-signed to 4 year $13-15 million contract so Horford savings allows us to keep Morris
Tax payer MLE sign a guard.
LAC pick if it conveys
Vet mins fill out the roster

That roster wins championships. As Horford ages move him to bench and replace him with Morris.

Sorry, just saw this was locked.