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Around the League => Transaction Ideas and Rumors => Topic started by: mef730 on May 18, 2018, 01:18:47 PM
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Feel free to define major/minor as you please, though my definitions are below. Sorry, trading #27 doesn't seem particularly major. In conjunction with Rozier, though, it's more fireworkey.
Assume that this poll encompasses any trade up to and including draft day.
I'm voting minor. I don't think we end up picking at #27, but I'm still thinking that we're trading back, not forward.
Mike
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I think Ainge and Rozier are gonna have internal discussions about his future role with the team, and he's probably gonna gauge what his thoughts are personally if they re-sign Smart. Of course, he's gonna be pleased, but deep inside he's gonna be a little blown, because he knows they want to win, but it also means he's not gonna be seeing consistent minutes.
I think Ainge is actually more higher on this draft than lasts year. I can see him packaging Clippers pick, a second rounder, maybe Yabusele and Rozier for MPJ.
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I could see a minor trade being made. Unless we get an offer on the table that is heavily in our advantage, I don't see Ainge messing with what we've got
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I think a lot of Celticsbloggers that love the draft and trades to shake things up are going to be very disappointed in the lack of action the Celtics will provide them on draft day. It wouldn't surprise me if they traded out of the #27 spot as they have a ton of youth already. But my expectations are for just a pick at 27 and nothing else. Also, don't be surprised if that pick doesn't coincide with what ESPN draft day experts believe is the best available player or is a player that CBers are clammoring for.
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No moves.
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Honestly, there's a lot of things that could happen.
MY PREDICTION: Minor Move. They trade back from #27 and acquire EITHER multiple 2nds this year... or a second rounder AND a future (protected) pick
That said, Ainge will certainly explore what Rozier, #27 and a future non-Kings Pick can fetch him back. And if Ainge is super duper high on this draft and some of the prospects... maybe he decides to trade the Kings Pick + Rozier in a package if it somehow lands us a Bagley, Porter or someone? (Doubtful, but just listing examples).
Again, there's many directions to go. Maybe they just keep #27, draft and call it a day.
But that's my prediction.
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Roster is set for next season..with Tatum and Brown emerging into stars, we dont need to make any moves
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Roster is set for next season..with Tatum and Brown emerging into stars, we dont need to make any moves
Agreed!
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I think a lot of Celticsbloggers that love the draft and trades to shake things up are going to be very disappointed in the lack of action the Celtics will provide them on draft day. It wouldn't surprise me if they traded out of the #27 spot as they have a ton of youth already. But my expectations are for just a pick at 27 and nothing else. Also, don't be surprised if that pick doesn't coincide with what ESPN draft day experts believe is the best available player or is a player that CBers are clammoring for.
Hey, we can always dream, right, lol? ;D
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If I'm Rozier's agent going in to a contract year, there is no way I'm advising my client to agree to a reduction in minutes, the way he is currently performing as a starter.
If he is given a super sixth man, starters level of minutes that's one thing...
Starters are all averaging around 31-33 minutes per game....multiplied by 6 players is 186-198 of the minutes pool. If Smart (assuming we re-sign) is then getting 28 that's 220-226 of 240 minutes per game allotted.
Assuming Baynes is also back, we have Morris/Thiess/Baynes dividing up 14-20 minutes between the three? This dooms Larkin to the bench entirely, Semi entirely, Yabu entirely.
Maybe the rest of the starters are interested in playing less, but I don't see it getting much under 29 per starter, to accommodate another player. Horford, I can see, benefitting from a regular season reduction (31 this season) to say 24-28 a night, to keep him fresh for the playoffs. Hayward and Kyrie could also benefit a lower usage to start the season, considering their injuries. But a month or so in to the season, the overall production of the team is obviously going to benefit by these guys being on the floor more, as they are the superior players.
I think the writing is more on the wall then is currently revealed. The better Rozier continues to perform, either he or Irving are getting moved this summer. Or we are letting Smart walk, or sign and trade.
I mean, we could have a lot worse of problems to have, lol!
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Take out one of Philly's legs and bring Jim O Brien back to the bench as quarterbacks coach.
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I just don't see why we would trade Rozier. Almost by definition what we get back won't be as good as he is.
We're going into a championship year! If I'm Ainge I'm not jeopardising that with an unnecessary trade. Rozier has shown he can step up to the starting spot with no hesitation, something even Smart hasn't done in the past. Kyrie will not play all 82 games. Rozier is necessary on this team.
For tax reasons I think we end up trading out of the draft completely. We have a lot of developing young talent and in future years we will want an influx of it, so we trade back a few years.
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I just don't see why we would trade Rozier. Almost by definition what we get back won't be as good as he is.
We're going into a championship year! If I'm Ainge I'm not jeopardising that with an unnecessary trade. Rozier has shown he can step up to the starting spot with no hesitation, something even Smart hasn't done in the past. Kyrie will not play all 82 games. Rozier is necessary on this team.
For tax reasons I think we end up trading out of the draft completely. We have a lot of developing young talent and in future years we will want an influx of it, so we trade back a few years.
I pretty much agree with everything you said there. We are going to be gunning for a championship next year, it would be ideal to keep the team we had this year + add back Irving, Hayward, and Theis post injuries.
Injuries happen, and having Terry up his game really saved the season for us.
The only reason I could see in moving Terry is if we can't resign Baynes, and are forced to look else where for a good rotation big. If that happens, selling high on Terry may be the best way to get a talented big that fits Brad's scheme. But I won't like it.
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I just don't see why we would trade Rozier.
Because there is a strong possibility that if we don't trade Rozier we'll eventually lose him for nothing to free agency.
Rozier is not going to be content to continue being a backup when he's demonstrated he's at the very least an above average starter.
Now maybe it is worth it to keep him for the next year or two, depending on how his RFA market plays out and whether or not he think the C's will match any offer and this force Rozier to take the QO. Having Rozier as our backup PG would obviously be a huge bonus for a championship run, but is an extreme luxury at this point though, especially if Smart is retained this summer.
I'd argue it's better to try to flip him for a young big man with upside to eventually take over for Horford.
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So many options. Ultimately, I think we should be able to come away with a big in this draft.
It depends if we decide to keep Rozier or not. If we're open to it, it depends what we want.
I'd consider a major fireworks trade up to #4 or #6 to potentially grab any of the 3 Juniors (Jackson, Carter, Porter). Carter's an amazing fit, JJJ has amazing upside, Porter who knows.
I'd do a minor trade up to no higher than #16 for Jontay Porter or potentially Mitchell Robinson.
I'd stand pat if we could end up with either of Jontay Porter, Omari Spellman or Brandon McCoy.
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I just don't see why we would trade Rozier.
Because there is a strong possibility that if we don't trade Rozier we'll eventually lose him for nothing to free agency.
Rozier is not going to be content to continue being a backup when he's demonstrated he's at the very least an above average starter.
Now maybe it is worth it to keep him for the next year or two, depending on how his RFA market plays out and whether or not he think the C's will match any offer and this force Rozier to take the QO. Having Rozier as our backup PG would obviously be a huge bonus for a championship run, but is an extreme luxury at this point though, especially if Smart is retained this summer.
I'd argue it's better to try to flip him for a young big man with upside to eventually take over for Horford.
And?
We lose very important depth if we trade him and I guarantee it will bite us at some point next year, likely in the playoffs. You need a 4 guard rotation to compete, trade Rozier and you have a very important spot to fill with no money.
We talk endlessly about windows and going all in etc.. This is a time to go all in and risk one player leaving in a year. Big deal.. And who the heck knows, maybe he'll end up playing his way into staying long term and we move someone else to make room. You lose all those possibilities the moment you trade him... for a rookie scale guy? A future pick? Ain't happening.
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If I'm Rozier's agent going in to a contract year, there is no way I'm advising my client to agree to a reduction in minutes, the way he is currently performing as a starter.
If he is given a super sixth man, starters level of minutes that's one thing...
Starters are all averaging around 31-33 minutes per game....multiplied by 6 players is 186-198 of the minutes pool. If Smart (assuming we re-sign) is then getting 28 that's 220-226 of 240 minutes per game allotted.
Assuming Baynes is also back, we have Morris/Thiess/Baynes dividing up 14-20 minutes between the three? This dooms Larkin to the bench entirely, Semi entirely, Yabu entirely.
Maybe the rest of the starters are interested in playing less, but I don't see it getting much under 29 per starter, to accommodate another player. Horford, I can see, benefitting from a regular season reduction (31 this season) to say 24-28 a night, to keep him fresh for the playoffs. Hayward and Kyrie could also benefit a lower usage to start the season, considering their injuries. But a month or so in to the season, the overall production of the team is obviously going to benefit by these guys being on the floor more, as they are the superior players.
I think the writing is more on the wall then is currently revealed. The better Rozier continues to perform, either he or Irving are getting moved this summer. Or we are letting Smart walk, or sign and trade.
I mean, we could have a lot worse of problems to have, lol!
He doesn't have to agree to anything. He's under contract, and going into free agency after next year. He'll have to take what's given to him, whether he's happy or not
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I just don't see why we would trade Rozier.
Because there is a strong possibility that if we don't trade Rozier we'll eventually lose him for nothing to free agency.
Rozier is not going to be content to continue being a backup when he's demonstrated he's at the very least an above average starter.
Now maybe it is worth it to keep him for the next year or two, depending on how his RFA market plays out and whether or not he think the C's will match any offer and this force Rozier to take the QO. Having Rozier as our backup PG would obviously be a huge bonus for a championship run, but is an extreme luxury at this point though, especially if Smart is retained this summer.
I'd argue it's better to try to flip him for a young big man with upside to eventually take over for Horford.
Nothing is a "luxury" for contention while the Warriors are still together. We need absolutely everything we can get if we want to beat them
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I just don't see why we would trade Rozier.
Because there is a strong possibility that if we don't trade Rozier we'll eventually lose him for nothing to free agency.
Rozier is not going to be content to continue being a backup when he's demonstrated he's at the very least an above average starter.
Now maybe it is worth it to keep him for the next year or two, depending on how his RFA market plays out and whether or not he think the C's will match any offer and this force Rozier to take the QO. Having Rozier as our backup PG would obviously be a huge bonus for a championship run, but is an extreme luxury at this point though, especially if Smart is retained this summer.
I'd argue it's better to try to flip him for a young big man with upside to eventually take over for Horford.
And?
We lose very important depth if we trade him and I guarantee it will bite us at some point next year, likely in the playoffs. You need a 4 guard rotation to compete, trade Rozier and you have a very important spot to fill with no money.
We talk endlessly about windows and going all in etc.. This is a time to go all in and risk one player leaving in a year. Big deal.. And who the heck knows, maybe he'll end up playing his way into staying long term and we move someone else to make room. You lose all those possibilities the moment you trade him... for a rookie scale guy? A future pick? Ain't happening.
Kind of agree with both of you. The logical ideal scenario would be to include Rozier in a larger trade with other pieces for a bigger star. E.g. not just trade Rozier for future picks that won't help next year. As to whether such a deal can be found is where Ainge will need to work his genius. I would say if he can't find such a deal, I'd also keep Rozier for the run next year ... there is always the possibility of a sign and trade. So, he won't lose Rozier for nothing.
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I just don't see why we would trade Rozier.
Because there is a strong possibility that if we don't trade Rozier we'll eventually lose him for nothing to free agency.
Rozier is not going to be content to continue being a backup when he's demonstrated he's at the very least an above average starter.
Now maybe it is worth it to keep him for the next year or two, depending on how his RFA market plays out and whether or not he think the C's will match any offer and this force Rozier to take the QO. Having Rozier as our backup PG would obviously be a huge bonus for a championship run, but is an extreme luxury at this point though, especially if Smart is retained this summer.
I'd argue it's better to try to flip him for a young big man with upside to eventually take over for Horford.
And?
We lose very important depth if we trade him and I guarantee it will bite us at some point next year, likely in the playoffs. You need a 4 guard rotation to compete, trade Rozier and you have a very important spot to fill with no money.
We talk endlessly about windows and going all in etc.. This is a time to go all in and risk one player leaving in a year. Big deal.. And who the heck knows, maybe he'll end up playing his way into staying long term and we move someone else to make room. You lose all those possibilities the moment you trade him... for a rookie scale guy? A future pick? Ain't happening.
You’re assuming we need the depth in case Kyrie, Jaylen or Smart gets hurt. But what if Al gets hurt?
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Take out one of Philly's legs and bring Jim O Brien back to the bench as quarterbacks coach.
Ironic, isn't it? Ainge fires O'Brien only to later hire a college coach who emphasizes defense and threes. Lots of threes. Threes everywhere.
Dude was ahead of his time, lol ;D.
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Take out one of Philly's legs and bring Jim O Brien back to the bench as quarterbacks coach.
Ironic, isn't it? Ainge fires O'Brien only to later hire a college coach who emphasizes defense and threes. Lots of threes. Threes everywhere.
Dude was ahead of his time, lol ;D.
I thought O'Brian quit because Danny wanted to change the team and build a championship team, which he did.
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Take out one of Philly's legs and bring Jim O Brien back to the bench as quarterbacks coach.
Ironic, isn't it? Ainge fires O'Brien only to later hire a college coach who emphasizes defense and threes. Lots of threes. Threes everywhere.
Dude was ahead of his time, lol ;D.
I thought O'Brian quit because Danny wanted to change the team and build a championship team, which he did.
I was just making a joke about the similarities between O'Brien and Stevens in terms of style of play, lol.
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Take out one of Philly's legs and bring Jim O Brien back to the bench as quarterbacks coach.
Ironic, isn't it? Ainge fires O'Brien only to later hire a college coach who emphasizes defense and threes. Lots of threes. Threes everywhere.
Dude was ahead of his time, lol ;D.
I thought O'Brian quit because Danny wanted to change the team and build a championship team, which he did.
I was just making a joke about the similarities between O'Brien and Stevens in terms of style of play, lol.
Yeah, got that. I think Stevens is much more even keeled... I was a big fan of O'Brian.
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I just don't see why we would trade Rozier.
Because there is a strong possibility that if we don't trade Rozier we'll eventually lose him for nothing to free agency.
Rozier is not going to be content to continue being a backup when he's demonstrated he's at the very least an above average starter.
Now maybe it is worth it to keep him for the next year or two, depending on how his RFA market plays out and whether or not he think the C's will match any offer and this force Rozier to take the QO. Having Rozier as our backup PG would obviously be a huge bonus for a championship run, but is an extreme luxury at this point though, especially if Smart is retained this summer.
I'd argue it's better to try to flip him for a young big man with upside to eventually take over for Horford.
And?
We lose very important depth if we trade him and I guarantee it will bite us at some point next year, likely in the playoffs. You need a 4 guard rotation to compete, trade Rozier and you have a very important spot to fill with no money.
We talk endlessly about windows and going all in etc.. This is a time to go all in and risk one player leaving in a year. Big deal.. And who the heck knows, maybe he'll end up playing his way into staying long term and we move someone else to make room. You lose all those possibilities the moment you trade him... for a rookie scale guy? A future pick? Ain't happening.
You’re assuming we need the depth in case Kyrie, Jaylen or Smart gets hurt. But what if Al gets hurt?
Not following? I'm assuming we play small ball (which we do) and Rozier plays a key part in that. Assuming that the players who have historically missed time will miss some time. If Al gets hurt this year or next it has the same impact. How does trading Rozier lessen that impact? You think we're gonna get an Al lite in a trade back? I like the optimism but you'll need to get real pretty soon
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I was just making a joke about the similarities between O'Brien and Stevens in terms of style of play, lol.
I think CBS is a way better coach.
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I was just making a joke about the similarities between O'Brien and Stevens in terms of style of play, lol.
I think CBS is a way better coach.
CBS is way better. O'Brien was very inflexible. I did enjoy that team with Pierce and Walker and West etc... Very exciting group of over achievers!