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Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2022, 04:20:04 PM »

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The discussion around these waived players is that we would sign them to min contracts or possibly to the DPE slot created from Gallinari if they go that route (would be a little more than the straight Vet min).  This means someone currently on the roster gets cut.  That isn't going to be Hauser.  He is guaranteed for two seasons with a club option after that.  They would cut Jackson, Kornet, or Vonleh (in that order in my opinion).  Those are all largely non-guaranteed contracts.  The Celtics clearly think Hauser is better than Jackson.  They gave Hauser a real contract.

The thing with these waived players is that they are UFAs.  That is obvious but the point is they can go where ever they want, and that may not be to the Celtics.  Pretty much any offer from any team is going to be a min Vet deal.  There is not much a team can do to "get" these players.  Favors for example is certainly going to be of interest to the Celtics but does he have any interest in us?

I may not be completely up to date on all the buy outs but Favors and Harkless are the two that seem to make sense.  Favors is fairly obvious.  I am not as high on Favors as most but he would be a more established and reliable option over Kornet.  I don't think he is better than Grant and may not be better than Blake Griffin, but should be able to help.  And Harkless to me is better than Jackson.  I have not seen much of Harkless lately but I believe he is still a very solid SF/wing defender.   I see him as a nice complement to Hauser.  It will come down to whether a player wants a shot at a title or a shot at more playing time.

The Celtics do have one wrinkle in that Favors could begin the season as a starter.  That may be a great opportunity for Favors to showcase the skills he probably believes he still has.  The depth chart gets crowded once RWill is back though.

I just think itís a really bad idea to have 6 project players (Kornet, Hauser, Vonleh, Jackson, Davison, Kabengele) on the roster considering how often guys are getting injured. Plus, they still have to deal with Covid protocol. I also donít expect much production out of Blake, especially at the 5. Heís really only useful at the 4, which is the position that Grant is best suited. Adding a couple of guys that have already proven that they can play in the league would be ideal.
Not sure why you are including two-way players as "on the roster" as by their very definition, they aren't part of the 17 man roster and are in slots that have limited play options and are specifically designated for developmental players.

Also, are Vonleh, Jackson and Kornet really project players at 27 years old or just developed players that simply aren't good enough to be rotation players? Bad players like them litter spots #13-#15 on rosters all over the NBA.

Hauser, yeah he is a project player.

G-league caliber players or whatever you want to call them. Two way spots aside, thatís still too many unproven guys that the Cís are going to have to rely on during the season. Depth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to Bostonís. Rotation players will miss time due to injury or Covid protocols and these backups are just not good enough.
You really need to peruse the end of the rosters of the good teams in this league. With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

I should? Hereís the likely playoff teams with better depth than Boston in the East alone:

Bucks
76ers
Nets
Bulls
Raptors
Cavs
Hawks

Iím not going to list the western conference teams, but I believe the two deepest teams in the league are the Warriors and Clippers.

The bottom 3 on the Bucks from what I can tell are (just for example, I am not going to go through all the teams):

Sandro Mamukelashvili
Jordon Nwora
Jevon Carter

And you are really worrying about whether those 3 are better than Kornet, Jackson, and Vonleh?  I will be honest that I don't even know how to rank these players but the point is that none of them are expected to do much of anything.

Joe Ingles, Wesley Mathews, Jevon Carter, Jordan Nwora, Sandro Mamukelashvili is vastly superior to Griffin, Hauser, Jackson, Kornet, Vonleh. Itís not even close.

Joe Ingles is as useful as Gallinari right now.  Carter, Nwora, and the player who's name I can't spell but I'm guessing is from Georgia because it's a really long name are all scrubs, same as Kornet, Jackson, and Vonleh.

Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2022, 04:26:03 PM »

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The discussion around these waived players is that we would sign them to min contracts or possibly to the DPE slot created from Gallinari if they go that route (would be a little more than the straight Vet min).  This means someone currently on the roster gets cut.  That isn't going to be Hauser.  He is guaranteed for two seasons with a club option after that.  They would cut Jackson, Kornet, or Vonleh (in that order in my opinion).  Those are all largely non-guaranteed contracts.  The Celtics clearly think Hauser is better than Jackson.  They gave Hauser a real contract.

The thing with these waived players is that they are UFAs.  That is obvious but the point is they can go where ever they want, and that may not be to the Celtics.  Pretty much any offer from any team is going to be a min Vet deal.  There is not much a team can do to "get" these players.  Favors for example is certainly going to be of interest to the Celtics but does he have any interest in us?

I may not be completely up to date on all the buy outs but Favors and Harkless are the two that seem to make sense.  Favors is fairly obvious.  I am not as high on Favors as most but he would be a more established and reliable option over Kornet.  I don't think he is better than Grant and may not be better than Blake Griffin, but should be able to help.  And Harkless to me is better than Jackson.  I have not seen much of Harkless lately but I believe he is still a very solid SF/wing defender.   I see him as a nice complement to Hauser.  It will come down to whether a player wants a shot at a title or a shot at more playing time.

The Celtics do have one wrinkle in that Favors could begin the season as a starter.  That may be a great opportunity for Favors to showcase the skills he probably believes he still has.  The depth chart gets crowded once RWill is back though.

I just think itís a really bad idea to have 6 project players (Kornet, Hauser, Vonleh, Jackson, Davison, Kabengele) on the roster considering how often guys are getting injured. Plus, they still have to deal with Covid protocol. I also donít expect much production out of Blake, especially at the 5. Heís really only useful at the 4, which is the position that Grant is best suited. Adding a couple of guys that have already proven that they can play in the league would be ideal.
Not sure why you are including two-way players as "on the roster" as by their very definition, they aren't part of the 17 man roster and are in slots that have limited play options and are specifically designated for developmental players.

Also, are Vonleh, Jackson and Kornet really project players at 27 years old or just developed players that simply aren't good enough to be rotation players? Bad players like them litter spots #13-#15 on rosters all over the NBA.

Hauser, yeah he is a project player.

G-league caliber players or whatever you want to call them. Two way spots aside, thatís still too many unproven guys that the Cís are going to have to rely on during the season. Depth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to Bostonís. Rotation players will miss time due to injury or Covid protocols and these backups are just not good enough.
You really need to peruse the end of the rosters of the good teams in this league. With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

I should? Hereís the likely playoff teams with better depth in the East alone:

Bucks
76ers
Nets
Bulls
Raptors
Cavs
Hawks

Iím not going to list the western conference teams, but I believe the two deepest teams in the league are the Warriors and Clippers.
Don't move the goalposts. I never said better depth or bench depth, if that's what you mean. I am talking players at spots #13, #14 and #15 on the roster.

I stand by my statement that Vonleh, Kornet and Jackson aren't all that much better or worse than most other teams players at that end of their roster. You might like other teams future potential in players in those roster spots, but as players? Nah, There's no real significant differences except for a few teams.

You bolded, ďDepth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to BostonísĒ and then told me to peruse the end of rosters of good teams. The ones listed have a better deep bench than the Cís do.

Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2022, 04:42:20 PM »

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The discussion around these waived players is that we would sign them to min contracts or possibly to the DPE slot created from Gallinari if they go that route (would be a little more than the straight Vet min).  This means someone currently on the roster gets cut.  That isn't going to be Hauser.  He is guaranteed for two seasons with a club option after that.  They would cut Jackson, Kornet, or Vonleh (in that order in my opinion).  Those are all largely non-guaranteed contracts.  The Celtics clearly think Hauser is better than Jackson.  They gave Hauser a real contract.

The thing with these waived players is that they are UFAs.  That is obvious but the point is they can go where ever they want, and that may not be to the Celtics.  Pretty much any offer from any team is going to be a min Vet deal.  There is not much a team can do to "get" these players.  Favors for example is certainly going to be of interest to the Celtics but does he have any interest in us?

I may not be completely up to date on all the buy outs but Favors and Harkless are the two that seem to make sense.  Favors is fairly obvious.  I am not as high on Favors as most but he would be a more established and reliable option over Kornet.  I don't think he is better than Grant and may not be better than Blake Griffin, but should be able to help.  And Harkless to me is better than Jackson.  I have not seen much of Harkless lately but I believe he is still a very solid SF/wing defender.   I see him as a nice complement to Hauser.  It will come down to whether a player wants a shot at a title or a shot at more playing time.

The Celtics do have one wrinkle in that Favors could begin the season as a starter.  That may be a great opportunity for Favors to showcase the skills he probably believes he still has.  The depth chart gets crowded once RWill is back though.

I just think itís a really bad idea to have 6 project players (Kornet, Hauser, Vonleh, Jackson, Davison, Kabengele) on the roster considering how often guys are getting injured. Plus, they still have to deal with Covid protocol. I also donít expect much production out of Blake, especially at the 5. Heís really only useful at the 4, which is the position that Grant is best suited. Adding a couple of guys that have already proven that they can play in the league would be ideal.
Not sure why you are including two-way players as "on the roster" as by their very definition, they aren't part of the 17 man roster and are in slots that have limited play options and are specifically designated for developmental players.

Also, are Vonleh, Jackson and Kornet really project players at 27 years old or just developed players that simply aren't good enough to be rotation players? Bad players like them litter spots #13-#15 on rosters all over the NBA.

Hauser, yeah he is a project player.

G-league caliber players or whatever you want to call them. Two way spots aside, thatís still too many unproven guys that the Cís are going to have to rely on during the season. Depth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to Bostonís. Rotation players will miss time due to injury or Covid protocols and these backups are just not good enough.
You really need to peruse the end of the rosters of the good teams in this league. With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

I should? Hereís the likely playoff teams with better depth in the East alone:

Bucks
76ers
Nets
Bulls
Raptors
Cavs
Hawks

Iím not going to list the western conference teams, but I believe the two deepest teams in the league are the Warriors and Clippers.
Don't move the goalposts. I never said better depth or bench depth, if that's what you mean. I am talking players at spots #13, #14 and #15 on the roster.

I stand by my statement that Vonleh, Kornet and Jackson aren't all that much better or worse than most other teams players at that end of their roster. You might like other teams future potential in players in those roster spots, but as players? Nah, There's no real significant differences except for a few teams.

You bolded, ďDepth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to BostonísĒ and then told me to peruse the end of rosters of good teams. The ones listed have a better deep bench than the Cís do.
I bolded that then responded with clarification, which you ignored.

With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2022, 04:57:52 PM »

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The discussion around these waived players is that we would sign them to min contracts or possibly to the DPE slot created from Gallinari if they go that route (would be a little more than the straight Vet min).  This means someone currently on the roster gets cut.  That isn't going to be Hauser.  He is guaranteed for two seasons with a club option after that.  They would cut Jackson, Kornet, or Vonleh (in that order in my opinion).  Those are all largely non-guaranteed contracts.  The Celtics clearly think Hauser is better than Jackson.  They gave Hauser a real contract.

The thing with these waived players is that they are UFAs.  That is obvious but the point is they can go where ever they want, and that may not be to the Celtics.  Pretty much any offer from any team is going to be a min Vet deal.  There is not much a team can do to "get" these players.  Favors for example is certainly going to be of interest to the Celtics but does he have any interest in us?

I may not be completely up to date on all the buy outs but Favors and Harkless are the two that seem to make sense.  Favors is fairly obvious.  I am not as high on Favors as most but he would be a more established and reliable option over Kornet.  I don't think he is better than Grant and may not be better than Blake Griffin, but should be able to help.  And Harkless to me is better than Jackson.  I have not seen much of Harkless lately but I believe he is still a very solid SF/wing defender.   I see him as a nice complement to Hauser.  It will come down to whether a player wants a shot at a title or a shot at more playing time.

The Celtics do have one wrinkle in that Favors could begin the season as a starter.  That may be a great opportunity for Favors to showcase the skills he probably believes he still has.  The depth chart gets crowded once RWill is back though.

I just think itís a really bad idea to have 6 project players (Kornet, Hauser, Vonleh, Jackson, Davison, Kabengele) on the roster considering how often guys are getting injured. Plus, they still have to deal with Covid protocol. I also donít expect much production out of Blake, especially at the 5. Heís really only useful at the 4, which is the position that Grant is best suited. Adding a couple of guys that have already proven that they can play in the league would be ideal.
Not sure why you are including two-way players as "on the roster" as by their very definition, they aren't part of the 17 man roster and are in slots that have limited play options and are specifically designated for developmental players.

Also, are Vonleh, Jackson and Kornet really project players at 27 years old or just developed players that simply aren't good enough to be rotation players? Bad players like them litter spots #13-#15 on rosters all over the NBA.

Hauser, yeah he is a project player.

G-league caliber players or whatever you want to call them. Two way spots aside, thatís still too many unproven guys that the Cís are going to have to rely on during the season. Depth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to Bostonís. Rotation players will miss time due to injury or Covid protocols and these backups are just not good enough.
You really need to peruse the end of the rosters of the good teams in this league. With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

I should? Hereís the likely playoff teams with better depth in the East alone:

Bucks
76ers
Nets
Bulls
Raptors
Cavs
Hawks

Iím not going to list the western conference teams, but I believe the two deepest teams in the league are the Warriors and Clippers.
Don't move the goalposts. I never said better depth or bench depth, if that's what you mean. I am talking players at spots #13, #14 and #15 on the roster.

I stand by my statement that Vonleh, Kornet and Jackson aren't all that much better or worse than most other teams players at that end of their roster. You might like other teams future potential in players in those roster spots, but as players? Nah, There's no real significant differences except for a few teams.

You bolded, ďDepth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to BostonísĒ and then told me to peruse the end of rosters of good teams. The ones listed have a better deep bench than the Cís do.

You realize our first three guys off the bench when Timelord is back (Assuming Smart/JB/JT/Al/Rob) are Brogdon, White, Grant? Then there's Hauser (who I'd argue is better than "sharpshooters" Ingles and Matthews, who are both coming off seasons of below-league-average 3pt shooting), Griffin, Vonleh, and Pritchard? The Celtics are one of the deepest teams in the NBA. The only team whose bench is clearly better than ours is the Clippers. Nwora, 35-years-old injured Ingles, 36-years-old and Wes Matthews are not the players you think they are.

Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2022, 04:59:32 PM »

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The discussion around these waived players is that we would sign them to min contracts or possibly to the DPE slot created from Gallinari if they go that route (would be a little more than the straight Vet min).  This means someone currently on the roster gets cut.  That isn't going to be Hauser.  He is guaranteed for two seasons with a club option after that.  They would cut Jackson, Kornet, or Vonleh (in that order in my opinion).  Those are all largely non-guaranteed contracts.  The Celtics clearly think Hauser is better than Jackson.  They gave Hauser a real contract.

The thing with these waived players is that they are UFAs.  That is obvious but the point is they can go where ever they want, and that may not be to the Celtics.  Pretty much any offer from any team is going to be a min Vet deal.  There is not much a team can do to "get" these players.  Favors for example is certainly going to be of interest to the Celtics but does he have any interest in us?

I may not be completely up to date on all the buy outs but Favors and Harkless are the two that seem to make sense.  Favors is fairly obvious.  I am not as high on Favors as most but he would be a more established and reliable option over Kornet.  I don't think he is better than Grant and may not be better than Blake Griffin, but should be able to help.  And Harkless to me is better than Jackson.  I have not seen much of Harkless lately but I believe he is still a very solid SF/wing defender.   I see him as a nice complement to Hauser.  It will come down to whether a player wants a shot at a title or a shot at more playing time.

The Celtics do have one wrinkle in that Favors could begin the season as a starter.  That may be a great opportunity for Favors to showcase the skills he probably believes he still has.  The depth chart gets crowded once RWill is back though.

I just think itís a really bad idea to have 6 project players (Kornet, Hauser, Vonleh, Jackson, Davison, Kabengele) on the roster considering how often guys are getting injured. Plus, they still have to deal with Covid protocol. I also donít expect much production out of Blake, especially at the 5. Heís really only useful at the 4, which is the position that Grant is best suited. Adding a couple of guys that have already proven that they can play in the league would be ideal.
Not sure why you are including two-way players as "on the roster" as by their very definition, they aren't part of the 17 man roster and are in slots that have limited play options and are specifically designated for developmental players.

Also, are Vonleh, Jackson and Kornet really project players at 27 years old or just developed players that simply aren't good enough to be rotation players? Bad players like them litter spots #13-#15 on rosters all over the NBA.

Hauser, yeah he is a project player.

G-league caliber players or whatever you want to call them. Two way spots aside, thatís still too many unproven guys that the Cís are going to have to rely on during the season. Depth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to Bostonís. Rotation players will miss time due to injury or Covid protocols and these backups are just not good enough.
You really need to peruse the end of the rosters of the good teams in this league. With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

I should? Hereís the likely playoff teams with better depth than Boston in the East alone:

Bucks
76ers
Nets
Bulls
Raptors
Cavs
Hawks

Iím not going to list the western conference teams, but I believe the two deepest teams in the league are the Warriors and Clippers.

The bottom 3 on the Bucks from what I can tell are (just for example, I am not going to go through all the teams):

Sandro Mamukelashvili
Jordon Nwora
Jevon Carter

And you are really worrying about whether those 3 are better than Kornet, Jackson, and Vonleh?  I will be honest that I don't even know how to rank these players but the point is that none of them are expected to do much of anything.

Joe Ingles, Wesley Mathews, Jevon Carter, Jordan Nwora, Sandro Mamukelashvili is vastly superior to Griffin, Hauser, Jackson, Kornet, Vonleh. Itís not even close.

Joe Ingles is as useful as Gallinari right now.  Carter, Nwora, and the player who's name I can't spell but I'm guessing is from Georgia because it's a really long name are all scrubs, same as Kornet, Jackson, and Vonleh.

According to the Bucks GM, Ingles is expected to be back in January. Gallinari is more than likely done for the year. Last season Carter played in 66 games and averaged 14mpg. Nwora played in 62 games and averaged 19mpg, Mamukelashvili played in 41 games and averaged 10mpg. These guys were good enough to get real minutes on a championship caliber team and were productive.

Last season Sam Hauser played in 26 games and averaged 6mpg. Luke Kornet played in 12 games and averaged 7mpg, Jackson played 1 game for the Celtics last year, Vonleh played zero games in the NBA last year.  Their Deep bench is much better.  Bucks players 8-15 are better than the Celtics.
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Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2022, 05:06:11 PM »

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The discussion around these waived players is that we would sign them to min contracts or possibly to the DPE slot created from Gallinari if they go that route (would be a little more than the straight Vet min).  This means someone currently on the roster gets cut.  That isn't going to be Hauser.  He is guaranteed for two seasons with a club option after that.  They would cut Jackson, Kornet, or Vonleh (in that order in my opinion).  Those are all largely non-guaranteed contracts.  The Celtics clearly think Hauser is better than Jackson.  They gave Hauser a real contract.

The thing with these waived players is that they are UFAs.  That is obvious but the point is they can go where ever they want, and that may not be to the Celtics.  Pretty much any offer from any team is going to be a min Vet deal.  There is not much a team can do to "get" these players.  Favors for example is certainly going to be of interest to the Celtics but does he have any interest in us?

I may not be completely up to date on all the buy outs but Favors and Harkless are the two that seem to make sense.  Favors is fairly obvious.  I am not as high on Favors as most but he would be a more established and reliable option over Kornet.  I don't think he is better than Grant and may not be better than Blake Griffin, but should be able to help.  And Harkless to me is better than Jackson.  I have not seen much of Harkless lately but I believe he is still a very solid SF/wing defender.   I see him as a nice complement to Hauser.  It will come down to whether a player wants a shot at a title or a shot at more playing time.

The Celtics do have one wrinkle in that Favors could begin the season as a starter.  That may be a great opportunity for Favors to showcase the skills he probably believes he still has.  The depth chart gets crowded once RWill is back though.

I just think itís a really bad idea to have 6 project players (Kornet, Hauser, Vonleh, Jackson, Davison, Kabengele) on the roster considering how often guys are getting injured. Plus, they still have to deal with Covid protocol. I also donít expect much production out of Blake, especially at the 5. Heís really only useful at the 4, which is the position that Grant is best suited. Adding a couple of guys that have already proven that they can play in the league would be ideal.
Not sure why you are including two-way players as "on the roster" as by their very definition, they aren't part of the 17 man roster and are in slots that have limited play options and are specifically designated for developmental players.

Also, are Vonleh, Jackson and Kornet really project players at 27 years old or just developed players that simply aren't good enough to be rotation players? Bad players like them litter spots #13-#15 on rosters all over the NBA.

Hauser, yeah he is a project player.

G-league caliber players or whatever you want to call them. Two way spots aside, thatís still too many unproven guys that the Cís are going to have to rely on during the season. Depth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to Bostonís. Rotation players will miss time due to injury or Covid protocols and these backups are just not good enough.
You really need to peruse the end of the rosters of the good teams in this league. With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

I should? Hereís the likely playoff teams with better depth in the East alone:

Bucks
76ers
Nets
Bulls
Raptors
Cavs
Hawks

Iím not going to list the western conference teams, but I believe the two deepest teams in the league are the Warriors and Clippers.
Don't move the goalposts. I never said better depth or bench depth, if that's what you mean. I am talking players at spots #13, #14 and #15 on the roster.

I stand by my statement that Vonleh, Kornet and Jackson aren't all that much better or worse than most other teams players at that end of their roster. You might like other teams future potential in players in those roster spots, but as players? Nah, There's no real significant differences except for a few teams.

You bolded, ďDepth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to BostonísĒ and then told me to peruse the end of rosters of good teams. The ones listed have a better deep bench than the Cís do.
I bolded that then responded with clarification, which you ignored.

With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

I didnít ignore anything. They are not as good. Period.

Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2022, 05:38:32 PM »

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The discussion around these waived players is that we would sign them to min contracts or possibly to the DPE slot created from Gallinari if they go that route (would be a little more than the straight Vet min).  This means someone currently on the roster gets cut.  That isn't going to be Hauser.  He is guaranteed for two seasons with a club option after that.  They would cut Jackson, Kornet, or Vonleh (in that order in my opinion).  Those are all largely non-guaranteed contracts.  The Celtics clearly think Hauser is better than Jackson.  They gave Hauser a real contract.

The thing with these waived players is that they are UFAs.  That is obvious but the point is they can go where ever they want, and that may not be to the Celtics.  Pretty much any offer from any team is going to be a min Vet deal.  There is not much a team can do to "get" these players.  Favors for example is certainly going to be of interest to the Celtics but does he have any interest in us?

I may not be completely up to date on all the buy outs but Favors and Harkless are the two that seem to make sense.  Favors is fairly obvious.  I am not as high on Favors as most but he would be a more established and reliable option over Kornet.  I don't think he is better than Grant and may not be better than Blake Griffin, but should be able to help.  And Harkless to me is better than Jackson.  I have not seen much of Harkless lately but I believe he is still a very solid SF/wing defender.   I see him as a nice complement to Hauser.  It will come down to whether a player wants a shot at a title or a shot at more playing time.

The Celtics do have one wrinkle in that Favors could begin the season as a starter.  That may be a great opportunity for Favors to showcase the skills he probably believes he still has.  The depth chart gets crowded once RWill is back though.

I just think itís a really bad idea to have 6 project players (Kornet, Hauser, Vonleh, Jackson, Davison, Kabengele) on the roster considering how often guys are getting injured. Plus, they still have to deal with Covid protocol. I also donít expect much production out of Blake, especially at the 5. Heís really only useful at the 4, which is the position that Grant is best suited. Adding a couple of guys that have already proven that they can play in the league would be ideal.
Not sure why you are including two-way players as "on the roster" as by their very definition, they aren't part of the 17 man roster and are in slots that have limited play options and are specifically designated for developmental players.

Also, are Vonleh, Jackson and Kornet really project players at 27 years old or just developed players that simply aren't good enough to be rotation players? Bad players like them litter spots #13-#15 on rosters all over the NBA.

Hauser, yeah he is a project player.

G-league caliber players or whatever you want to call them. Two way spots aside, thatís still too many unproven guys that the Cís are going to have to rely on during the season. Depth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to Bostonís. Rotation players will miss time due to injury or Covid protocols and these backups are just not good enough.
You really need to peruse the end of the rosters of the good teams in this league. With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

I should? Hereís the likely playoff teams with better depth than Boston in the East alone:

Bucks
76ers
Nets
Bulls
Raptors
Cavs
Hawks

Iím not going to list the western conference teams, but I believe the two deepest teams in the league are the Warriors and Clippers.

The bottom 3 on the Bucks from what I can tell are (just for example, I am not going to go through all the teams):

Sandro Mamukelashvili
Jordon Nwora
Jevon Carter

And you are really worrying about whether those 3 are better than Kornet, Jackson, and Vonleh?  I will be honest that I don't even know how to rank these players but the point is that none of them are expected to do much of anything.

Joe Ingles, Wesley Mathews, Jevon Carter, Jordan Nwora, Sandro Mamukelashvili is vastly superior to Griffin, Hauser, Jackson, Kornet, Vonleh. Itís not even close.

Joe Ingles is as useful as Gallinari right now.  Carter, Nwora, and the player who's name I can't spell but I'm guessing is from Georgia because it's a really long name are all scrubs, same as Kornet, Jackson, and Vonleh.

According to the Bucks GM, Ingles is expected to be back in January. Gallinari is more than likely done for the year. Last season Carter played in 66 games and averaged 14mpg. Nwora played in 62 games and averaged 19mpg, Mamukelashvili played in 41 games and averaged 10mpg. These guys were good enough to get real minutes on a championship caliber team and were productive.

Last season Sam Hauser played in 26 games and averaged 6mpg. Luke Kornet played in 12 games and averaged 7mpg, Jackson played 1 game for the Celtics last year, Vonleh played zero games in the NBA last year.  Their Deep bench is much better.  Bucks players 7-15 are better than the Celtics.

1) Ingles is 35.  Before he tore his ACL, he was already 34 and in the middle of his worst NBA season.  He had his surgery in February.  He's not going to be anything but a scrub if he returns in January, but as we learned with the discussion on Dozier yesterday, you seem to think ACL tears heal a lot more quickly than they do.  On his timeline, he's as likely to be matching salary in a trade as he is someone who suits up for Milwaukee.

2) Javon Carter played a reasonable amount of minutes last year, but despite being on two playoff teams (one of which he was unceremoniously released from at the trade deadline), both his teams were outscored when he was on the court.  That's relatively difficult to do, but he pulled it off.

3) Jordan Nwora played a lot of minutes, but they weren't good minutes.  He had the 6th worst BPM for players with at least 1000 minutes last season, at a -4.1. 

4) Mamukelashvili is on a 2-way contract, so he shouldn't even be in the discussion.  He's not on their 15-man roster.

5) You completely left out Thanasis Antetokounmpo, who would not be in the NBA but for being Giannis' older brother.  Despite playing on a team that outscored its opponents by more than 3 points per 100 possessions, the Bucks were outscored by nearly 11 points per 100 possessions in the 473 minutes he saw the court.

6) You also ignored MarJon Beauchamp, who last year for the G-league Ignite managed to shoot under 25% from 3, which isn't great for an NBA wing.

There is a lot of chaff at the bottom of that roster.

Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2022, 07:05:57 PM »

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The discussion around these waived players is that we would sign them to min contracts or possibly to the DPE slot created from Gallinari if they go that route (would be a little more than the straight Vet min).  This means someone currently on the roster gets cut.  That isn't going to be Hauser.  He is guaranteed for two seasons with a club option after that.  They would cut Jackson, Kornet, or Vonleh (in that order in my opinion).  Those are all largely non-guaranteed contracts.  The Celtics clearly think Hauser is better than Jackson.  They gave Hauser a real contract.

The thing with these waived players is that they are UFAs.  That is obvious but the point is they can go where ever they want, and that may not be to the Celtics.  Pretty much any offer from any team is going to be a min Vet deal.  There is not much a team can do to "get" these players.  Favors for example is certainly going to be of interest to the Celtics but does he have any interest in us?

I may not be completely up to date on all the buy outs but Favors and Harkless are the two that seem to make sense.  Favors is fairly obvious.  I am not as high on Favors as most but he would be a more established and reliable option over Kornet.  I don't think he is better than Grant and may not be better than Blake Griffin, but should be able to help.  And Harkless to me is better than Jackson.  I have not seen much of Harkless lately but I believe he is still a very solid SF/wing defender.   I see him as a nice complement to Hauser.  It will come down to whether a player wants a shot at a title or a shot at more playing time.

The Celtics do have one wrinkle in that Favors could begin the season as a starter.  That may be a great opportunity for Favors to showcase the skills he probably believes he still has.  The depth chart gets crowded once RWill is back though.

I just think itís a really bad idea to have 6 project players (Kornet, Hauser, Vonleh, Jackson, Davison, Kabengele) on the roster considering how often guys are getting injured. Plus, they still have to deal with Covid protocol. I also donít expect much production out of Blake, especially at the 5. Heís really only useful at the 4, which is the position that Grant is best suited. Adding a couple of guys that have already proven that they can play in the league would be ideal.
Not sure why you are including two-way players as "on the roster" as by their very definition, they aren't part of the 17 man roster and are in slots that have limited play options and are specifically designated for developmental players.

Also, are Vonleh, Jackson and Kornet really project players at 27 years old or just developed players that simply aren't good enough to be rotation players? Bad players like them litter spots #13-#15 on rosters all over the NBA.

Hauser, yeah he is a project player.

G-league caliber players or whatever you want to call them. Two way spots aside, thatís still too many unproven guys that the Cís are going to have to rely on during the season. Depth is important, look at other contending teams depth charts compared to Bostonís. Rotation players will miss time due to injury or Covid protocols and these backups are just not good enough.
You really need to peruse the end of the rosters of the good teams in this league. With the exception of the Clippers and maybe Philly, the last three spots of most other good teams are made up of the same quality of players that Boston has.

I should? Hereís the likely playoff teams with better depth than Boston in the East alone:

Bucks
76ers
Nets
Bulls
Raptors
Cavs
Hawks

Iím not going to list the western conference teams, but I believe the two deepest teams in the league are the Warriors and Clippers.

The bottom 3 on the Bucks from what I can tell are (just for example, I am not going to go through all the teams):

Sandro Mamukelashvili
Jordon Nwora
Jevon Carter

And you are really worrying about whether those 3 are better than Kornet, Jackson, and Vonleh?  I will be honest that I don't even know how to rank these players but the point is that none of them are expected to do much of anything.

Joe Ingles, Wesley Mathews, Jevon Carter, Jordan Nwora, Sandro Mamukelashvili is vastly superior to Griffin, Hauser, Jackson, Kornet, Vonleh. Itís not even close.

Joe Ingles is as useful as Gallinari right now.  Carter, Nwora, and the player who's name I can't spell but I'm guessing is from Georgia because it's a really long name are all scrubs, same as Kornet, Jackson, and Vonleh.

According to the Bucks GM, Ingles is expected to be back in January. Gallinari is more than likely done for the year. Last season Carter played in 66 games and averaged 14mpg. Nwora played in 62 games and averaged 19mpg, Mamukelashvili played in 41 games and averaged 10mpg. These guys were good enough to get real minutes on a championship caliber team and were productive.

Last season Sam Hauser played in 26 games and averaged 6mpg. Luke Kornet played in 12 games and averaged 7mpg, Jackson played 1 game for the Celtics last year, Vonleh played zero games in the NBA last year.  Their Deep bench is much better.  Bucks players 7-15 are better than the Celtics.

1) Ingles is 35.  Before he tore his ACL, he was already 34 and in the middle of his worst NBA season.  He had his surgery in February.  He's not going to be anything but a scrub if he returns in January, but as we learned with the discussion on Dozier yesterday, you seem to think ACL tears heal a lot more quickly than they do.  On his timeline, he's as likely to be matching salary in a trade as he is someone who suits up for Milwaukee.

2) Javon Carter played a reasonable amount of minutes last year, but despite being on two playoff teams (one of which he was unceremoniously released from at the trade deadline), both his teams were outscored when he was on the court.  That's relatively difficult to do, but he pulled it off.

3) Jordan Nwora played a lot of minutes, but they weren't good minutes.  He had the 6th worst BPM for players with at least 1000 minutes last season, at a -4.1. 

4) Mamukelashvili is on a 2-way contract, so he shouldn't even be in the discussion.  He's not on their 15-man roster.

5) You completely left out Thanasis Antetokounmpo, who would not be in the NBA but for being Giannis' older brother.  Despite playing on a team that outscored its opponents by more than 3 points per 100 possessions, the Bucks were outscored by nearly 11 points per 100 possessions in the 473 minutes he saw the court.

6) You also ignored MarJon Beauchamp, who last year for the G-league Ignite managed to shoot under 25% from 3, which isn't great for an NBA wing.

There is a lot of chaff at the bottom of that roster.

In regards to Dozier and Ingles recovery, what I posted was news that their respective teams released. Guess you know better than they do? Seems like you are grasping at straws with your bullet points as well. Bottom line, their players were good enough to play and they did. The Celtics deep bench did not. Guys are already getting dinged up, players around the league are already missing time due to Covid protocol and the season hasnít even started. Having to rely on Griffin, Kornet, Hauser, Vonleh, and Jackson to fill in is less than ideal.
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Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2022, 07:24:23 PM »

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All I can say is that if we are quibbling over whether waived players for spots 13, 14 and 15 on the roster will move the needle for us or not, we've got a pretty good team all round  :angel:
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I wonder what Derrick Favors is up to these days? Hmmm

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Time to rummage through the garbage to try to find some diamonds thst everyone else missed out on :police:
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Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2023, 10:16:18 PM »

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Cís deep bench tonight:

Hauser- 26 mins: 0pts, 2ast, 3reb
Griffin- 4mins: 0pts, 1ast, 0reb
Kornet- 13mins: 7pts, 0ast, 0reb
Jackson- 14mins: 3pts, 0ast,  5rebs

This is what I was worried about before the season started. Between injuries, guys missing games due to Covid(other illness) and personal issues, the rotation players will miss time. Having to rely on this deep bench to play meaningful minutes was always going to be a problem. Brad needs to address it.

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Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #43 on: January 24, 2023, 11:38:45 PM »

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Cís deep bench tonight:

Hauser- 26 mins: 0pts, 2ast, 3reb
Griffin- 4mins: 0pts, 1ast, 0reb
Kornet- 13mins: 7pts, 0ast, 0reb
Jackson- 14mins: 3pts, 0ast,  5rebs

This is what I was worried about before the season started. Between injuries, guys missing games due to Covid(other illness) and personal issues, the rotation players will miss time. Having to rely on this deep bench to play meaningful minutes was always going to be a problem. Brad needs to address it.

Wonít be as big an issue when the playoffs start.

We know our top 7. Great guard depth. Can play both Jays at the 3/4 as well. Just need another big or swing because Grant doesnít seem to fit the bill right now.
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Re: Waived Players?
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2023, 05:45:30 AM »

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I wonder what Derrick Favors is up to these days? Hmmm
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