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Re: MLB owners vote for lockout
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2022, 05:41:00 PM »

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Re: MLB owners vote for lockout
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2022, 10:11:24 PM »

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So in one of the darkest days for the sport in a very long time... why is Manfred at the podium laughing??  :o Like yikes dude.
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Re: MLB owners vote for lockout
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2022, 03:25:08 PM »

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« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2022, 03:29:21 PM »

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« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2022, 03:31:32 PM »

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Still on track for 162?

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« Reply #35 on: March 10, 2022, 03:36:24 PM »

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Still on track for 162?

Sorry if that’s a stupid question… haven’t kept up with this much.

They’re saying they can make 162 work.


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« Reply #36 on: March 10, 2022, 03:43:39 PM »

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Haven't had to pay attention to this CBA so I haven't -- anyone have a good rundown on what changed? I'm reading bits and pieces that it's mostly an ownership-favoured deal (i.e. more or less more or the same).
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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2022, 03:46:17 PM »

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Haven't had to pay attention to this CBA so I haven't -- anyone have a good rundown on what changed? I'm reading bits and pieces that it's mostly an ownership-favoured deal (i.e. more or less more or the same).
This ESPN article has a decent breakdown.  Obviously the news just broke so I'm sure more information will come out.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33470321/sources-mlb-union-reach-tentative-agreement-new-cba-salvage-162-game-season

From a fan perspective the things of note are 12 teams making the playoffs and the NL finally adopting the DH.  Plus they are allowing advertising on the jerseys and helmets, which may look weird for awhile.
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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2022, 04:01:27 PM »

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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2022, 04:37:52 PM »

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« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2022, 04:48:05 PM »

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Haven't had to pay attention to this CBA so I haven't -- anyone have a good rundown on what changed? I'm reading bits and pieces that it's mostly an ownership-favoured deal (i.e. more or less more or the same).
This ESPN article has a decent breakdown.  Obviously the news just broke so I'm sure more information will come out.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33470321/sources-mlb-union-reach-tentative-agreement-new-cba-salvage-162-game-season

From a fan perspective the things of note are 12 teams making the playoffs and the NL finally adopting the DH.  Plus they are allowing advertising on the jerseys and helmets, which may look weird for awhile.

The Universal DH will take some getting used to.  More scoring, less strategy.


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« Reply #41 on: March 10, 2022, 06:03:21 PM »

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Haven't had to pay attention to this CBA so I haven't -- anyone have a good rundown on what changed? I'm reading bits and pieces that it's mostly an ownership-favoured deal (i.e. more or less more or the same).
This ESPN article has a decent breakdown.  Obviously the news just broke so I'm sure more information will come out.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33470321/sources-mlb-union-reach-tentative-agreement-new-cba-salvage-162-game-season

From a fan perspective the things of note are 12 teams making the playoffs and the NL finally adopting the DH.  Plus they are allowing advertising on the jerseys and helmets, which may look weird for awhile.

The Universal DH will take some getting used to.  More scoring, less strategy.

If they end up implementing a rule to ban shifts (as mentioned in the article), that would have a similar effect too.

I don't mind the DH rule, but I can't support banning shifts. You should be rewarding teams that are being strategic, not punish them. But then again, they're playing for "a piece of metal" (no, I'm still not over that)
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« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2022, 12:19:08 AM »

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I'm glad for the universal DH. I know that not everyone agrees with the idea, but, as cool as it is to see the (rare) big hit from a pitcher, pitchers are usually automatic outs, and I'm sure that NL pitchers (when they pitch) get a stat boost from facing so many weak-hitting pitcher-hitters, so comparing NL pitchers to AL pitchers has been a bit unfair.

Also, having the DH be an AL-only rule has actually been an advantage to the NL team in the World Series, because the NL team, which reached the World Series without the help of a DH, suddenly gets an offensive boost for games in AL parks, whereas the AL team, which relies on the DH, suddenly has to go without one in NL parks. And in order to keep their DH in the lineup at NL parks, they need to put a guy in the field who isn't used to playing in the field. I totally understand where anti-DHers are coming from—the traditionalist "pitchers should hit" and "hitters should field" concepts, and more strategy—but I think that both leagues, at minimum, should be the same—both with DH, or both with no DH. And since I like more offense, I want the DH.
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« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2022, 08:02:46 AM »

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« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2022, 08:23:18 AM »

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I'm glad for the universal DH. I know that not everyone agrees with the idea, but, as cool as it is to see the (rare) big hit from a pitcher, pitchers are usually automatic outs, and I'm sure that NL pitchers (when they pitch) get a stat boost from facing so many weak-hitting pitcher-hitters, so comparing NL pitchers to AL pitchers has been a bit unfair.

Also, having the DH be an AL-only rule has actually been an advantage to the NL team in the World Series, because the NL team, which reached the World Series without the help of a DH, suddenly gets an offensive boost for games in AL parks, whereas the AL team, which relies on the DH, suddenly has to go without one in NL parks. And in order to keep their DH in the lineup at NL parks, they need to put a guy in the field who isn't used to playing in the field. I totally understand where anti-DHers are coming from—the traditionalist "pitchers should hit" and "hitters should field" concepts, and more strategy—but I think that both leagues, at minimum, should be the same—both with DH, or both with no DH. And since I like more offense, I want the DH.
I actually think the inverse has been the case i.e. because the AL teams have a DH slot, they have a much better hitter in that role than the NL teams do and as you say it isn't like the NL pitchers who hit regularly provide much of a boost.  So the AL teams have a bigger advantage in actually staffing a DH position, while the NL teams do not staff that position and thus have a random backup in it.
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