Marcus Smart RFA [Merged - finalizing 4 year deal]

[Phantom255x]

QUESTION: Say, Smart signs the QO, and then in a year becomes UFA. We don't have his Bird Rights then, right? Then shouldn't we try to ink him to a 3-4 year deal of sorts at 10-12M/Year?? Or are folks actually fine just letting him walk in a year. Another factor is, having Smart at a 10-12M/Year salary could help facilitate a future trade (as salary filler), which is something we've found difficult to do when making Kawhi trade ideas and such LOL (You got a big gap between Tatum at 6.5M and Kyrie at around 19M).

We’d have his Bird rights.

Oh, I thought we'd lose them LOL. That changes everything 

Still hope we could get it done soon (a multi-year deal). By next year, there will be a lot more teams with cap space. Also, if we hope to make a trade in-season (not Davis due to Rose Rule, but someone else) or next summer for a star (Anthony Davis dream next summer!), having Smart at a 10-12M/Year price would help significantly in facilitating a deal.

[The Oracle]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

[bogg]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Yea, people forget that Smart's actually good in a way that's additive with the team's best players. Smart playing out the season on the QO isn't Boston "winning" the negotiation, it's both sides losing.

[JHTruth]

The globe said the Smart is meeting with some teams. Things are heating up now.

He was meeting with the Nets apparently yesterday.

Just ready to get this over with either way.

[knuckleballer]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Great post.  TP

[KungPoweChicken]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Great post.  TP

I don't understand this stat. Five guys are on the floor. How can there be a rating for a "3 man unit"?

[The Oracle]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Yea, people forget that Smart's actually good in a way that's additive with the team's best players. Smart playing out the season on the QO isn't Boston "winning" the negotiation, it's both sides losing.

In 2017 season Smart/Isaiah put up an amazing 114.5 offensive rating in 1320 minutes.  Thomas/Horford/Smart 117.4 in 727 minutes. 

When surrounded by solid offensive weapons Smart has always prospered.  The problem is when you put him on the floor with a couple garbage weapons he and the team then begin to struggle mightily to score.  He is then forced into a much to large of a role.  That shouldn't be a problem going forward with Hayward, Horford, Irving, Tatum, Brown and possibly Morris, Wanamaker etc..  Even Baynes might not be a drag on the offense anymore if the C's can park him in the corner and bang down 3 balls.

[knuckleballer]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Great post.  TP

I don't understand this stat. Five guys are on the floor. How can there be a rating for a "3 man unit"?

I assume it's when those three guys are on the floor at the same time regardless of the other two.  I haven't seen that stat before, but between that and the two man unit, I think it would be a decent way of looking at how effective players are.  Smart obviously has a very positive effect on the offense despite his ugly numbers.

It seems to me that once or twice a game Smart will take such a stupid shot that it frustrates everyone and that's what we remember.  Outside of a couple occurrences a game, he's a very smart decision maker.

[More Banners]

As much as it sucks for Smart, to me he's going to be a victim of Danny's draft success. Rozier started in the playoffs; he can be 3rd guard. I mean, seriously, is there any doubt in that at this point?  I don't think so. Would he beat out Smart for minutes?  Doesn't matter.  The position is covered.

So at this point, with the state of the roster, seeing him move on for good money a la BBD would be fine with me.  Wouldn't be a waste of an asset. His loss turns into salary for, like, the starting 5.

[The Oracle]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Great post.  TP

I don't understand this stat. Five guys are on the floor. How can there be a rating for a "3 man unit"?

I assume it's when those three guys are on the floor at the same time regardless of the other two.  I haven't seen that stat before, but between that and the two man unit, I think it would be a decent way of looking at how effective players are.  Smart obviously has a very positive effect on the offense despite his ugly numbers.

Yes a 3 man unit doesn't care who the other players are on the floor with them, it is considering all 5 man lineups that contain said 3 players. 

[bogg]

As much as it sucks for Smart, to me he's going to be a victim of Danny's draft success. Rozier started in the playoffs; he can be 3rd guard. I mean, seriously, is there any doubt in that at this point?  I don't think so. Would he beat out Smart for minutes?  Doesn't matter.  The position is covered.

The problem is that Rozier can't really guard forwards, in particular the bigger ones. That's going to matter against Golden State if Boston's serious about trying to take a title off them at some point over the next few years. Terry's just going to get hunted on defense.

[pokeKingCurtis]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Yea, people forget that Smart's actually good in a way that's additive with the team's best players. Smart playing out the season on the QO isn't Boston "winning" the negotiation, it's both sides losing.

In 2017 season Smart/Isaiah put up an amazing 114.5 offensive rating in 1320 minutes.  Thomas/Horford/Smart 117.4 in 727 minutes. 

When surrounded by solid offensive weapons Smart has always prospered.  The problem is when you put him on the floor with a couple garbage weapons he and the team then begin to struggle mightily to score.  He is then forced into a much to large of a role.  That shouldn't be a problem going forward with Hayward, Horford, Irving, Tatum, Brown and possibly Morris, Wanamaker etc..  Even Baynes might not be a drag on the offense anymore if the C's can park him in the corner and bang down 3 balls.

"Garbage weapons". Haha.

This is the argument for Smart. There will always be a Hayward, an Irving, a Horford or a Tatum on the floor. Smart hounding the opponent on defense could be extremely valuable alongside our offensive talent, whereas Rozier might end up providing diminishing returns

[nickagneta]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Yea, people forget that Smart's actually good in a way that's additive with the team's best players. Smart playing out the season on the QO isn't Boston "winning" the negotiation, it's both sides losing.

In 2017 season Smart/Isaiah put up an amazing 114.5 offensive rating in 1320 minutes.  Thomas/Horford/Smart 117.4 in 727 minutes. 

When surrounded by solid offensive weapons Smart has always prospered.  The problem is when you put him on the floor with a couple garbage weapons he and the team then begin to struggle mightily to score.  He is then forced into a much to large of a role.  That shouldn't be a problem going forward with Hayward, Horford, Irving, Tatum, Brown and possibly Morris, Wanamaker etc..  Even Baynes might not be a drag on the offense anymore if the C's can park him in the corner and bang down 3 balls.

This kind of tells me that Smart is making no difference whatsoever, offensively.

When with good offensive players his off. ratings are good but when with bad offensive pkayers his off. rating is bad.

[Big333223]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Yea, people forget that Smart's actually good in a way that's additive with the team's best players. Smart playing out the season on the QO isn't Boston "winning" the negotiation, it's both sides losing.

In 2017 season Smart/Isaiah put up an amazing 114.5 offensive rating in 1320 minutes.  Thomas/Horford/Smart 117.4 in 727 minutes. 

When surrounded by solid offensive weapons Smart has always prospered.  The problem is when you put him on the floor with a couple garbage weapons he and the team then begin to struggle mightily to score.  He is then forced into a much to large of a role.  That shouldn't be a problem going forward with Hayward, Horford, Irving, Tatum, Brown and possibly Morris, Wanamaker etc..  Even Baynes might not be a drag on the offense anymore if the C's can park him in the corner and bang down 3 balls.

This kind of tells me that Smart is making no difference whatsoever, offensively.

When with good offensive players his off. ratings are good but when with bad offensive pkayers his off. rating is bad.

Where do you see the evidence for that?

[The Oracle]

The top two 2 man units offensively last season that played at least 200 minutes together were...

                    Off. Rat.     Minutes
Irving/Smart    111.0         861
Horford/Smart  110.7         903


The top four 3 man units offensively that played at least 200 minutes were...

                                Off. Rat.     minutes
Horford/Morris/Smart   116.6         220
Irving/Morris/Smart     116.0         223
Brown/Horford/Smart   113.8         514
Brown/Irving/Smart     113.2         505

Eight of the top nine 4 man units that played at least 100 minutes also contain Smart's name...

If Marcus Smart sucks so bad offensively why does his name appear in all of the most successful lineups???  Why do the C's 2 best offensive players (Irving and Horford) have the most success offensively when on the floor with Smart???  Maybe just maybe some of you might be missing something?

Yea, people forget that Smart's actually good in a way that's additive with the team's best players. Smart playing out the season on the QO isn't Boston "winning" the negotiation, it's both sides losing.

In 2017 season Smart/Isaiah put up an amazing 114.5 offensive rating in 1320 minutes.  Thomas/Horford/Smart 117.4 in 727 minutes. 

When surrounded by solid offensive weapons Smart has always prospered.  The problem is when you put him on the floor with a couple garbage weapons he and the team then begin to struggle mightily to score.  He is then forced into a much to large of a role.  That shouldn't be a problem going forward with Hayward, Horford, Irving, Tatum, Brown and possibly Morris, Wanamaker etc..  Even Baynes might not be a drag on the offense anymore if the C's can park him in the corner and bang down 3 balls.

This kind of tells me that Smart is making no difference whatsoever, offensively.

When with good offensive players his off. ratings are good but when with bad offensive pkayers his off. rating is bad.

Where do you see the evidence for that?

There is none, he is misreading the data.  When you have 3 or 4 good offensive players on the floor the team is better when Smart is also part of the 5 man unit rather than a different player.