Wish Horford was here to see this

[wiley]

Philly fans are turning against Horford. He is having a tough season so far.
I won’t be surprised if they trade him for Chris Paul. They have a history of reactionary trades.
That will make them better in the short term until Paul hoes down with an injury.

Holy crap that's a good trade for both teams.  Turn Ok. City over to SGA.  Is that doable? I thought Paul was paid way more...

my opinion is that Horford has plenty left in the tank.  He hasn't been a star in the regular season for a while. In the playoffs he has often been monstrous.  Agree he's not a great fit with Embiid.  Maybe not Simmons either.  He'd have more space to operate with Gallo, despite Steven Adams...

[Fierce1]

Philly fans are turning against Horford. He is having a tough season so far.
I won’t be surprised if they trade him for Chris Paul. They have a history of reactionary trades.
That will make them better in the short term until Paul hoes down with an injury.

Holy crap that's a good trade for both teams.  Turn Ok. City over to SGA.  Is that doable? I thought Paul was paid way more...

my opinion is that Horford has plenty left in the tank.  He hasn't been a star in the regular season for a while. In the playoffs he has often been monstrous.  Agree he's not a great fit with Embiid.  Maybe not Simmons either.  He'd have more space to operate with Gallo, despite Steven Adams...

If the Sixers take CP3 then that means they'll have to pay 30m more as CP3 has 85m left on his contract after this season.

Horford only has 54.5m of guaranteed money left after this season.

[nickagneta]

Philly fans are turning against Horford. He is having a tough season so far.
I won’t be surprised if they trade him for Chris Paul. They have a history of reactionary trades.
That will make them better in the short term until Paul hoes down with an injury.

Holy crap that's a good trade for both teams.  Turn Ok. City over to SGA.  Is that doable? I thought Paul was paid way more...

my opinion is that Horford has plenty left in the tank.  He hasn't been a star in the regular season for a while. In the playoffs he has often been monstrous.  Agree he's not a great fit with Embiid.  Maybe not Simmons either.  He'd have more space to operate with Gallo, despite Steven Adams...

If the Sixers take CP3 then that means they'll have to pay 30m more as CP3 has 85m left on his contract after this season.

Horford only has 54.5m of guaranteed money left after this season.

Actually the number is $69 million. The last year of Horford's deal is guaranteed at $14.5 million.

[NKY fan]

Philly fans are turning against Horford. He is having a tough season so far.
I won’t be surprised if they trade him for Chris Paul. They have a history of reactionary trades.
That will make them better in the short term until Paul hoes down with an injury.

Holy crap that's a good trade for both teams.  Turn Ok. City over to SGA.  Is that doable? I thought Paul was paid way more...

my opinion is that Horford has plenty left in the tank.  He hasn't been a star in the regular season for a while. In the playoffs he has often been monstrous.  Agree he's not a great fit with Embiid.  Maybe not Simmons either.  He'd have more space to operate with Gallo, despite Steven Adams...

If the Sixers take CP3 then that means they'll have to pay 30m more as CP3 has 85m left on his contract after this season.

Horford only has 54.5m of guaranteed money left after this season.

Well it’s the sixers that do these type of trades. Also why would they care about the $$ they pay? If they are above the salary cap and not too far above the luxury tax line it should matter more about the fit. They can afford Paul for the two years after this one. They can also trade him for another player after next season

[Fierce1]

Philly fans are turning against Horford. He is having a tough season so far.
I won’t be surprised if they trade him for Chris Paul. They have a history of reactionary trades.
That will make them better in the short term until Paul hoes down with an injury.

Holy crap that's a good trade for both teams.  Turn Ok. City over to SGA.  Is that doable? I thought Paul was paid way more...

my opinion is that Horford has plenty left in the tank.  He hasn't been a star in the regular season for a while. In the playoffs he has often been monstrous.  Agree he's not a great fit with Embiid.  Maybe not Simmons either.  He'd have more space to operate with Gallo, despite Steven Adams...

If the Sixers take CP3 then that means they'll have to pay 30m more as CP3 has 85m left on his contract after this season.

Horford only has 54.5m of guaranteed money left after this season.

Actually the number is $69 million. The last year of Horford's deal is guaranteed at $14.5 million.

Yes, that's why I said only 54.5m is guaranteed.

The 4th year is only partially guaranteed.

[Fierce1]

Philly fans are turning against Horford. He is having a tough season so far.
I won’t be surprised if they trade him for Chris Paul. They have a history of reactionary trades.
That will make them better in the short term until Paul hoes down with an injury.

Holy crap that's a good trade for both teams.  Turn Ok. City over to SGA.  Is that doable? I thought Paul was paid way more...

my opinion is that Horford has plenty left in the tank.  He hasn't been a star in the regular season for a while. In the playoffs he has often been monstrous.  Agree he's not a great fit with Embiid.  Maybe not Simmons either.  He'd have more space to operate with Gallo, despite Steven Adams...

If the Sixers take CP3 then that means they'll have to pay 30m more as CP3 has 85m left on his contract after this season.

Horford only has 54.5m of guaranteed money left after this season.

Well it’s the sixers that do these type of trades. Also why would they care about the $$ they pay? If they are above the salary cap and not too far above the luxury tax line it should matter more about the fit. They can afford Paul for the two years after this one. They can also trade him for another player after next season

That's why I said the trade is plausible as it would allow Ben Simmons to play more inside and let CP3 be the PG.

[ederson]

Allowing Simmons to play closer to the basket is exactly what the sixers don't need. They already have an unstoppable player in Embiib playing there. Limiting the space he has is not a good idea IMHO.

Having a pg like Paul would be a huge upgrade though

[Fierce1]

Allowing Simmons to play closer to the basket is exactly what the sixers don't need. They already have an unstoppable player in Embiib playing there. Limiting the space he has is not a good idea IMHO.

Having a pg like Paul would be a huge upgrade though

What I mean by "inside" is driving to the basket or exploiting mismatches.

Simmons doesn't necessarily have to be a low post player if he's not the PG.

[Fafnir]

Playing Simmons at PF with a ball dominant PG doesn't help the spacing issues created by playing him and Embiid together. Simmons at the 4 without the ball is still a massive weight on their half court offense.

Beyond that I can't think of a worse PG chemistry wise to put with Embiid/Simmons than CP3, woof they'd hate each other.

[Fierce1]

Playing Simmons at PF with a ball dominant PG doesn't help the spacing issues created by playing him and Embiid together. Simmons at the 4 without the ball is still a massive weight on their half court offense.

That's the price to pay for drafting the alleged next Lebron in the 2016 Draft.

Simmons was a dominant PF in college.
Besides scoring in a lot of different ways, he got a lot of rebounds, and getting a lot of assists.

Right now it's very clear that Simmons at the PG position is like having a taller Rondo.

What's worse is the Sixers gave him the max.

It's a good thing it's the Sixers' problem, not ours.

[Fafnir]

Playing Simmons at PF with a ball dominant PG doesn't help the spacing issues created by playing him and Embiid together. Simmons at the 4 without the ball is still a massive weight on their half court offense.

Simmons was a dominant PF in college.
Besides scoring in a lot of different ways, he got a lot of rebounds, and getting a lot of assists.

Let me put it another way, he's already guarding 4s in a lot of cases. He played "PF" at LSU in that he was the tallest player on the court for his team. He still had the ball all the time at LSU.

Taking him off the ball by importing an on ball veteran PG is going to cause issues. The biggest of issues is that Ben Simmons would be furious with the front office and coach.

I'm open to the idea of them getting another guard to play more, but he needs to be a player who isn't going to naturally handle the ball if you want the team to work from a chemistry standpoint.

[Fierce1]

Playing Simmons at PF with a ball dominant PG doesn't help the spacing issues created by playing him and Embiid together. Simmons at the 4 without the ball is still a massive weight on their half court offense.

Simmons was a dominant PF in college.
Besides scoring in a lot of different ways, he got a lot of rebounds, and getting a lot of assists.

Let me put it another way, he's already guarding 4s in a lot of cases. He played "PF" at LSU in that he was the tallest player on the court for his team. He still had the ball all the time at LSU.

Taking him off the ball by importing an on ball veteran PG is going to cause issues. The biggest of issues is that Ben Simmons would be furious with the front office and coach.

I'm open to the idea of them getting another guard to play more, but he needs to be a player who isn't going to naturally handle the ball if you want the team to work from a chemistry standpoint.

Like I said, it's not our problem.

I'm only saying that CP3 for Horford is plausible.

[Fafnir]

Playing Simmons at PF with a ball dominant PG doesn't help the spacing issues created by playing him and Embiid together. Simmons at the 4 without the ball is still a massive weight on their half court offense.

Simmons was a dominant PF in college.
Besides scoring in a lot of different ways, he got a lot of rebounds, and getting a lot of assists.

Let me put it another way, he's already guarding 4s in a lot of cases. He played "PF" at LSU in that he was the tallest player on the court for his team. He still had the ball all the time at LSU.

Taking him off the ball by importing an on ball veteran PG is going to cause issues. The biggest of issues is that Ben Simmons would be furious with the front office and coach.

I'm open to the idea of them getting another guard to play more, but he needs to be a player who isn't going to naturally handle the ball if you want the team to work from a chemistry standpoint.

Like I said, it's not our problem.

I'm only saying that CP3 for Horford is plausible.

None of its our problem, not a single one of us has to make a trade call, ice a PnR, or do any advance scouting on the Wizards.

I don't think its plausible, because Simmons and his agent would throw a fit.

[jambr380]

Playing Simmons at PF with a ball dominant PG doesn't help the spacing issues created by playing him and Embiid together. Simmons at the 4 without the ball is still a massive weight on their half court offense.

That's the price to pay for drafting the alleged next Lebron in the 2016 Draft.

Simmons was a dominant PF in college.
Besides scoring in a lot of different ways, he got a lot of rebounds, and getting a lot of assists.

Right now it's very clear that Simmons at the PG position is like having a taller Rondo.

What's worse is the Sixers gave him the max.

It's a good thing it's the Sixers' problem, not ours.

Simmons is still a fantastic young player that many teams would be love to have. This isn't like being stuck with Wiggins. If Philly decided to move him tomorrow, they could easily bring back a similarly impactful player that better fits what they are trying to do with Embiid. All is not lost in Philly and we shouldn't act like it's totally game over for them. They may even figure it out with the group that they have now.

Also on the Horford front, if Philly somehow manages to make the Finals in the next 3 years, his guaranteed money goes up to $19.5M in that final year (and $26M if they win the Finals - but of course that would be worth it).

[Fafnir]

Also on the Horford front, if Philly somehow manages to make the Finals in the next 3 years, his guaranteed money goes up to $19.5M in that final year (and $26M if they win the Finals - but of course that would be worth it).

I think even making the Finals would make it well worth it. Remember the 76ers haven't even been to the ECF yet. Getting out of the East would be a huge accomplishment for the whole team.