25 Greatest Celtics of All-Time : #14

[Casperian]

Kevin Garnett
K.C. Jones
Paul Silas

[PistolPete]

Satch
K C
Cornbread

[paintitgreen]

KG
Ramsey
Satch

Last round, I voted KC third instead of Ramsey, but took a look at some numbers and am firmly on the Ramsey/Satch bandwagons. Ramsey was the original sixth man and average 19.7 and 8 per 36 minutes, and in the 1959 playoffs led the team with 23.2 points per game in only 27.5 minutes per game. And Sanders seems by all accounts to have been every bit the defender KC Jones was, if not better.

Max
Ramsey
Tiny

Too soon to be voting KG or Ray.  Should still be voting for championship winners that played the majority of their careers with the C's and played productively.   On those merits, KG and Ray don't earn votes.  

That rationale is all well and good for KG and Ray, and I respect feeling that way. But my question is how do you put in Tiny - who played only 5 of his 13 seasons in Boston, and did most of the stuff he got famous for (namely, his 34 ppg-11 apg 72-73 season) while playing with the Royals/Kings in Cincinnati/Kansas City - ahead of KC and Satch?

By the way, really interesting voting so far - no single player has been named on more than half the "ballots." KG and Max on exactly half, nobody else hitting .500. Interestingly, 9 people have voted KG first, 9 people haven't included him, which makes some sense - we're at a point where if KG is being considered, he has to be at the top of what's left because everybody remaining was a role player on championship teams (Max, Satch, KC, Ramsey) or a star for a relatively short period on Celtic teams that didn't win (Lewis, Macauley).

[fairweatherfan]

KG
Macauley
Reggie Lewis

[slamtheking]

KG
Ramsey
Satch

Last round, I voted KC third instead of Ramsey, but took a look at some numbers and am firmly on the Ramsey/Satch bandwagons. Ramsey was the original sixth man and average 19.7 and 8 per 36 minutes, and in the 1959 playoffs led the team with 23.2 points per game in only 27.5 minutes per game. And Sanders seems by all accounts to have been every bit the defender KC Jones was, if not better.

Max
Ramsey
Tiny

Too soon to be voting KG or Ray.  Should still be voting for championship winners that played the majority of their careers with the C's and played productively.   On those merits, KG and Ray don't earn votes.  

That rationale is all well and good for KG and Ray, and I respect feeling that way. But my question is how do you put in Tiny - who played only 5 of his 13 seasons in Boston, and did most of the stuff he got famous for (namely, his 34 ppg-11 apg 72-73 season) while playing with the Royals/Kings in Cincinnati/Kansas City - ahead of KC and Satch?

My rationale for Tiny was based on more productive years with the C's than KG and Ray.  He was critical to all Bird's early teams success (unfortunately only making it to the finals 1 year out of Bird's first 4). His injuries in '83 underlined his importance to the team when they were swept out of the playoffs by the Bucks and was the prime driver for the Robey-DJ trade so that the C's would have a solid PG for the next year.

I understand where you're coming from but that's my rationale.  As of right now, KG would place ahead of Walton who I think his C's career track is somewhat similar(1 healthy year getting a title, one injury-plagued year that if healthy would have resulted in a title)--but definitely not similar in skill level, Mcauley (no title) and Reggie (no title) but after Max, Ramsey and Tiny.  I'd put Ray after all of them except Walton.  Not enough consistancy to get any higher and would have to think about rating him higher than Silas and Satch.  Now if they win again this year and KG and Ray have great years, I'd definitely move them up the list.  I just don't think players that have been with the team only 2 years with 1 title should be voted this high on the list yet.

[Casperian]

Bump. 

[crownsy]

KG
Max
Reggie

[Gemini]

Kevin Garnett
Reggie Lewis
Ed Macauley

[Truck Lewis]

Reggie Lewis
Tiny Archibald
Satch Sanders

[Roy Hobbs]

Ed Macauley
Danny Ainge (for overall contributions)
K.C. Jones (for overall contributions)

[Eja117]

KC Jones
Danny Ainge
KG

[paintitgreen]

My rationale for Tiny was based on more productive years with the C's than KG and Ray.  He was critical to all Bird's early teams success (unfortunately only making it to the finals 1 year out of Bird's first 4). His injuries in '83 underlined his importance to the team when they were swept out of the playoffs by the Bucks and was the prime driver for the Robey-DJ trade so that the C's would have a solid PG for the next year.

I understand where you're coming from but that's my rationale.  As of right now, KG would place ahead of Walton who I think his C's career track is somewhat similar(1 healthy year getting a title, one injury-plagued year that if healthy would have resulted in a title)--but definitely not similar in skill level, Mcauley (no title) and Reggie (no title) but after Max, Ramsey and Tiny.  I'd put Ray after all of them except Walton.  Not enough consistancy to get any higher and would have to think about rating him higher than Silas and Satch.  Now if they win again this year and KG and Ray have great years, I'd definitely move them up the list.  I just don't think players that have been with the team only 2 years with 1 title should be voted this high on the list yet.

Thanks for the response, I get you. I think comparing KG to Walton is a bit inaccurate - to me, KG is to the 07-08 Celtic title what Bird was to the 85-86 title. Walton seems much more comparable to Posey (albeit on a higher level) than anybody else from the 08 team, but to each his (or her) own.

[Cman]

Reggie Lewis
Danny Ainge
Frank Ramsey

[jax_celtsfan]

Jim Loscutoff
Reggie Lewis
Frank Ramsey

[Hoops]

Dang, where's the Reggie love?

1. Reggie Lewis
2. Danny Ainge
3. KC Jones