CB Draft Eastern Conference Finals: Sixers (1) Vs Knicks (4)

[RebusRankin]

How does West play without an elite PG and coming off a series injury? How does Varajao play coming off a serious injury? Philly has 2 starters at the 4/5 coming off serious knee injuries and a 3rd big Martin with a huge injury history.

[mgent]

PG -  Adv Knicks

Hinrich actually tore it up against Deron the several times they've played.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=hinriki01&p2=willide01


SG -  huge Adv 76ers

Two bad defenders vs. the 2nd best player in the game


SF -  small Adv 76ers

About even until you take passing into the equation

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=iguodan01&p2=denglu01


PF -  Adv 76ers

New York's other weakness happens to be my second best scorer


C  -  even

Duncan will be 36 by next year's playoffs, and his game will continue to decline.  My frontcourt is too mobile, he'll probably hurt them more than he'll help.

I see Knicks having the advantage at three positions and a better overall fit.


I am seeing the 76ers and real Heat lite.  Without the Heat's best player. 

And with LeBron-lite, more size, defense and rebounding at the 5, better defense at the 1, a better fit at PF, an UNBELIEVABLY better bench, a more well-rounded/versatile offense, and a better overall defense.

[Donoghus]

Very surprised, reading some of the comments. I get the impression that some are overthinking this and/or are looking for reasons to vote against the favorite. Either that or Taj Gibson, Jodie Meeks, and yes, the declining Tim Duncan are a lot better than I think they are.

To me, this is a mismatch in Philly's favor.

I don't think this thing is clear-cut by any means and I certainly don't think I'm overthinking it.  Its a genuinely tough matchup in my eyes.

Not surprised since you even thought the Bullets were better than the 6ers.

You personally, aren't over-thinking it, but some of these comments are ridiculous.  I mean the only argument I've had against my team for the past week is "a zone MIGHT slow down your offense for two minutes before your guys adjust, just like it would any team, and there's nothing two of the best slashing and passing wings in the game can do about it."

Yeah, I did.  I even had both teams ranked ahead of you in the regular season so, at least I'm remaining consistent here.  I've never been entirely sold on the Wade/Iggy dynamic.  I'm just not entirely that high on Iggy in general.  I think this matchup proves problematic for you in certain aspects just as New York has their hands full with Wade.

Its not lopsided, IMO, and I never saw the East as lopsided or heavily favored, either.

[action781]

C  -  even

Duncan will be 36 by next year's playoffs, and his game will continue to decline.  My frontcourt is too mobile, he'll probably hurt them more than he'll help.

Even??  Duncan and Anderson Varejao are... even?  Even when Duncan is 38, Duncan will still outproduce Varejao.  That is crazy talk.

[Fafnir]

I think Wade is a better player than Deron, and Iggy better than Deng though that one is close. Given Duncan's decline and the 76ers superior bench I think Philly has this one in a fairly standard five games. Two wins at home, split on the road, and they close them out.

[mgent]

How does West play without an elite PG and coming off a series injury? How does Varajao play coming off a serious injury? Philly has 2 starters at the 4/5 coming off serious knee injuries and a 3rd big Martin with a huge injury history.

Oh jeez, here comes the only other argument.

How bout some fresh material guys?

[wdleehi]

Very surprised, reading some of the comments. I get the impression that some are overthinking this and/or are looking for reasons to vote against the favorite. Either that or Taj Gibson, Jodie Meeks, and yes, the declining Tim Duncan are a lot better than I think they are.

To me, this is a mismatch in Philly's favor.

I don't think this thing is clear-cut by any means and I certainly don't think I'm overthinking it.  Its a genuinely tough matchup in my eyes.

Not surprised since you even thought the Bullets were better than the 6ers.

You personally, aren't over-thinking it, but some of these comments are ridiculous.  I mean the only argument I've had against my team for the past week is "a zone MIGHT slow down your offense for two minutes before your guys adjust, just like it would any team, and there's nothing two of the best slashing and passing wings in the game can do about it."

What good is it to have two slashers like this if there is only one ball and you have only one shooter?  


All we heard this season is how Wade and Lebron don't work great together.  They both have overwhelming talent that helped them overcome alot of the issues.  

AI doesn't have that overwhelming talent.  With Wade, he will be pushed into the outside shooter role.  He isn't good enough at that role.  

And if you force the ball into his hand, you just made Wade into an outside the three point line spectator.  


Either way, there is a serious flaw between you 2/3.  

[Fafnir]

C  -  even

Duncan will be 36 by next year's playoffs, and his game will continue to decline.  My frontcourt is too mobile, he'll probably hurt them more than he'll help.

Even??  Duncan and Anderson Varejao are... even?  Even when Duncan is 38, Duncan will still outproduce Varejao.  That is crazy talk.

I think Duncan has an advantage, but its not a mismatch of massive proportions anymore. Timmy is a worse defender than Varajaeo and his superior rebounding and offense are no longer game changers.

[Fafnir]

Very surprised, reading some of the comments. I get the impression that some are overthinking this and/or are looking for reasons to vote against the favorite. Either that or Taj Gibson, Jodie Meeks, and yes, the declining Tim Duncan are a lot better than I think they are.

To me, this is a mismatch in Philly's favor.

I don't think this thing is clear-cut by any means and I certainly don't think I'm overthinking it.  Its a genuinely tough matchup in my eyes.

Not surprised since you even thought the Bullets were better than the 6ers.

You personally, aren't over-thinking it, but some of these comments are ridiculous.  I mean the only argument I've had against my team for the past week is "a zone MIGHT slow down your offense for two minutes before your guys adjust, just like it would any team, and there's nothing two of the best slashing and passing wings in the game can do about it."

What good is it to have two slashers like this if there is only one ball and you have only one shooter?  


All we heard this season is how Wade and Lebron don't work great together.  They both have overwhelming talent that helped them overcome alot of the issues.  

AI doesn't have that overwhelming talent.  With Wade, he will be pushed into the outside shooter role.  He isn't good enough at that role.  

And if you force the ball into his hand, you just made Wade into an outside the three point line spectator.  


Either way, there is a serious flaw between you 2/3.  

I think Iggy is a fine fit next to Wade. They'd have no problems sorting out who should lead the offense when. Not similar to the LeBron/Wade pairing at all.

[wdleehi]

PG -  Adv Knicks

Hinrich actually tore it up against Deron the several times they've played.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=hinriki01&p2=willide01


SG -  huge Adv 76ers

Two bad defenders vs. the 2nd best player in the game


SF -  small Adv 76ers

About even until you take passing into the equation

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=iguodan01&p2=denglu01


PF -  Adv 76ers

New York's other weakness happens to be my second best scorer


C  -  even

Duncan will be 36 by next year's playoffs, and his game will continue to decline.  My frontcourt is too mobile, he'll probably hurt them more than he'll help.

I see Knicks having the advantage at three positions and a better overall fit.


I am seeing the 76ers and real Heat lite.  Without the Heat's best player. 

And with LeBron-lite, more size, defense and rebounding at the 5, better defense at the 1, a better fit at PF, an UNBELIEVABLY better bench, a more well-rounded/versatile offense, and a better overall defense.

Bosh is better then West.  


Bosh last season had to be a third option behind two of the biggest volume shooters in the NBA.  


West had the best PG in the NBA.  

[wdleehi]

Very surprised, reading some of the comments. I get the impression that some are overthinking this and/or are looking for reasons to vote against the favorite. Either that or Taj Gibson, Jodie Meeks, and yes, the declining Tim Duncan are a lot better than I think they are.

To me, this is a mismatch in Philly's favor.

I don't think this thing is clear-cut by any means and I certainly don't think I'm overthinking it.  Its a genuinely tough matchup in my eyes.

Not surprised since you even thought the Bullets were better than the 6ers.

You personally, aren't over-thinking it, but some of these comments are ridiculous.  I mean the only argument I've had against my team for the past week is "a zone MIGHT slow down your offense for two minutes before your guys adjust, just like it would any team, and there's nothing two of the best slashing and passing wings in the game can do about it."

What good is it to have two slashers like this if there is only one ball and you have only one shooter?  


All we heard this season is how Wade and Lebron don't work great together.  They both have overwhelming talent that helped them overcome alot of the issues.  

AI doesn't have that overwhelming talent.  With Wade, he will be pushed into the outside shooter role.  He isn't good enough at that role.  

And if you force the ball into his hand, you just made Wade into an outside the three point line spectator.  


Either way, there is a serious flaw between you 2/3.  

I think Iggy is a fine fit next to Wade. They'd have no problems sorting out who should lead the offense when. Not similar to the LeBron/Wade pairing at all.

No doubt who should have the ball in their hands.


But it makes AI2 a lot less valuable offensively.

And his strengths do not make things easier for Wade.


Therefor, bad fit.

[mgent]

Very surprised, reading some of the comments. I get the impression that some are overthinking this and/or are looking for reasons to vote against the favorite. Either that or Taj Gibson, Jodie Meeks, and yes, the declining Tim Duncan are a lot better than I think they are.

To me, this is a mismatch in Philly's favor.

I don't think this thing is clear-cut by any means and I certainly don't think I'm overthinking it.  Its a genuinely tough matchup in my eyes.

Not surprised since you even thought the Bullets were better than the 6ers.

You personally, aren't over-thinking it, but some of these comments are ridiculous.  I mean the only argument I've had against my team for the past week is "a zone MIGHT slow down your offense for two minutes before your guys adjust, just like it would any team, and there's nothing two of the best slashing and passing wings in the game can do about it."

What good is it to have two slashers like this if there is only one ball and you have only one shooter?  


All we heard this season is how Wade and Lebron don't work great together.  They both have overwhelming talent that helped them overcome alot of the issues.  

AI doesn't have that overwhelming talent.  With Wade, he will be pushed into the outside shooter role.  He isn't good enough at that role.  

And if you force the ball into his hand, you just made Wade into an outside the three point line spectator.  


Either way, there is a serious flaw between you 2/3.  

Yet they got to the Finals.

Here's the real "overwhelming talent" difference between LeBron and Iguodala:  scoring.

In the playoffs they had similar rebounding rates, similar defense, and Iguodala had a better assist %.

I see Iggy and Wade actually fitting together better LeBron and Wade, because Wade is more comfortable as the main option.  He is just as efficient as LeBron, so Wade taking over those shots isn't a big deal.  Now Wade doesn't have to play off the ball as much, and now he is the clear go-to scorer late in games.

We don't really lose any passing, rebounding, or defense, while losing a little bit of scoring, and improving every other area where the Heat had weaknesses.

Also you can't really look at LeBron's advantages over Iggy and not his disadvantage.  Iguodala has much less of a problem playing off the ball.  He had a 19 usage, compared to LeBron's 31.  I think that will result in much smoother roles for the 76ers compared to the Heat.  I don't see how can say Philly will struggle with ball-dominance as much as Miami, when Iguodala doesn't "need" the ball nearly as much as LeBron, and isn't even ball-dominate in the first place (Holiday had a higher usage than him).

[mgent]

Very surprised, reading some of the comments. I get the impression that some are overthinking this and/or are looking for reasons to vote against the favorite. Either that or Taj Gibson, Jodie Meeks, and yes, the declining Tim Duncan are a lot better than I think they are.

To me, this is a mismatch in Philly's favor.

I don't think this thing is clear-cut by any means and I certainly don't think I'm overthinking it.  Its a genuinely tough matchup in my eyes.

Not surprised since you even thought the Bullets were better than the 6ers.

You personally, aren't over-thinking it, but some of these comments are ridiculous.  I mean the only argument I've had against my team for the past week is "a zone MIGHT slow down your offense for two minutes before your guys adjust, just like it would any team, and there's nothing two of the best slashing and passing wings in the game can do about it."

What good is it to have two slashers like this if there is only one ball and you have only one shooter?  


All we heard this season is how Wade and Lebron don't work great together.  They both have overwhelming talent that helped them overcome alot of the issues.  

AI doesn't have that overwhelming talent.  With Wade, he will be pushed into the outside shooter role.  He isn't good enough at that role.  

And if you force the ball into his hand, you just made Wade into an outside the three point line spectator.  


Either way, there is a serious flaw between you 2/3.  

I think Iggy is a fine fit next to Wade. They'd have no problems sorting out who should lead the offense when. Not similar to the LeBron/Wade pairing at all.

No doubt who should have the ball in their hands.


But it makes AI2 a lot less valuable offensively.

And his strengths do not make things easier for Wade.


Therefor, bad fit.

I still think you're focusing on the negatives.  The positives of the two of them together are way bigger.

[Roy H.]

Very surprised, reading some of the comments. I get the impression that some are overthinking this and/or are looking for reasons to vote against the favorite. Either that or Taj Gibson, Jodie Meeks, and yes, the declining Tim Duncan are a lot better than I think they are.

To me, this is a mismatch in Philly's favor.

I don't think this thing is clear-cut by any means and I certainly don't think I'm overthinking it.  Its a genuinely tough matchup in my eyes.

Not surprised since you even thought the Bullets were better than the 6ers.

You personally, aren't over-thinking it, but some of these comments are ridiculous.  I mean the only argument I've had against my team for the past week is "a zone MIGHT slow down your offense for two minutes before your guys adjust, just like it would any team, and there's nothing two of the best slashing and passing wings in the game can do about it."

What good is it to have two slashers like this if there is only one ball and you have only one shooter?  


All we heard this season is how Wade and Lebron don't work great together.  They both have overwhelming talent that helped them overcome alot of the issues.  

AI doesn't have that overwhelming talent.  With Wade, he will be pushed into the outside shooter role.  He isn't good enough at that role.  

And if you force the ball into his hand, you just made Wade into an outside the three point line spectator.  


Either way, there is a serious flaw between you 2/3.  

I think Iggy is a fine fit next to Wade. They'd have no problems sorting out who should lead the offense when. Not similar to the LeBron/Wade pairing at all.

No doubt who should have the ball in their hands.


But it makes AI2 a lot less valuable offensively.

And his strengths do not make things easier for Wade.


Therefor, bad fit.

I disagree.  AI2 has thrived in the past when he didn't have the ball in his hands.

Playing next to AI, he averaged 18/6/6, and played spectacular defense.

Playing alongside Jrue Holiday and Lou Williams, he averaged 14/6/6, and played spectacular defense.

This is a guy who is used to playing next to guys who handle the ball more than he does.  He's capable of being his team's primary scorer, but he's better when he's looking for fewer scoring opportunities, and is distributing the ball.  He'll be extremely willing to defer to Wade, and as Wade showed this past season, he'll be willing to get Iggy the ball in good spots, as well.

[wdleehi]

Lebron, Wade and Bosh got to the finals


And lost




Wade and West are not equal.  





I am sorry, but AI2 can not be put in Lebrons place as an argument for equal outcomes.  


If Lebron, Wade and Bosh are only good enough to make the finals, why should we expect replacing Bosh with a lesser PF and replacing the best player in the NBA with a very good role player is going to go as far?