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Re: Gordon Hayward: What — if anything — is holding him back?
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2019, 08:37:14 PM »

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How has Paul George improved so much? Has he just been shooting better?

Paul George seems to have gone from a second tier star to a top one.


Paul George was, to put it simply, far longer removed from surgery when he came back to the game.   He was injured and had surgery in the summer, then came back in the following spring, looked pretty miserable, but then had all summer to work things out and looked pretty good the following season, a full year plus change removed from surgery.

Gordon was injured and had surgery in early fall, then had surgery again in the following May (of last Spring 2018) and came back to the NBA just a few short months later. 

Gordon won't be as far removed from surgery in time as George was when the latter started looking like his old self until this coming summer.  Hopefully during some late playoffs ...
Paul George was injured on August 1, 2014, his first game back was April 5, 2015 (he played the last 6 games that season), so he basically missed 8 months, though then had another 6 months off before starting the next season.  Hayward basically sat out a full year before returning to actual game action.  So he sat out longer initially, but had about 2 less months before the start of the full season.
And Hayward had a second surgery just five months before returning to game action which obviously held back his recovery. While George was using the following summer to work on his game after returning to action, during that similar time in Hayward's recuperation, he was set back months by recovering from a second surgery. So the time frame of recovery is a bit different than what you are painting it as.

That second surgery was not nearly as major as the initial, no worse than Kyries surgery.

and that wasnt a further 5 months.


Too much is placed on the physical with Hayward with its apparent that a vast majority of his shortcomings is purely mental weakness.

Re: Gordon Hayward: What — if anything — is holding him back?
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2019, 08:55:04 PM »

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How has Paul George improved so much? Has he just been shooting better?

Paul George seems to have gone from a second tier star to a top one.


Paul George was, to put it simply, far longer removed from surgery when he came back to the game.   He was injured and had surgery in the summer, then came back in the following spring, looked pretty miserable, but then had all summer to work things out and looked pretty good the following season, a full year plus change removed from surgery.

Gordon was injured and had surgery in early fall, then had surgery again in the following May (of last Spring 2018) and came back to the NBA just a few short months later. 

Gordon won't be as far removed from surgery in time as George was when the latter started looking like his old self until this coming summer.  Hopefully during some late playoffs ...

PG seems to have taken it to another level though, seems to have become better than pre-injury PG


Re: Gordon Hayward: What — if anything — is holding him back?
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2019, 09:01:29 PM »

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Hayward can be our Manu Ginobili.

Just give him time.

Right now there's just too many wing players on the Celts.
This will be resolved once Ainge gets or doesn't get Anthony Davis in the summer.

Re: Gordon Hayward: What — if anything — is holding him back?
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2019, 11:46:15 PM »

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How has Paul George improved so much? Has he just been shooting better?

Paul George seems to have gone from a second tier star to a top one.


Paul George was, to put it simply, far longer removed from surgery when he came back to the game.   He was injured and had surgery in the summer, then came back in the following spring, looked pretty miserable, but then had all summer to work things out and looked pretty good the following season, a full year plus change removed from surgery.

Gordon was injured and had surgery in early fall, then had surgery again in the following May (of last Spring 2018) and came back to the NBA just a few short months later. 

Gordon won't be as far removed from surgery in time as George was when the latter started looking like his old self until this coming summer.  Hopefully during some late playoffs ...

PG seems to have taken it to another level though, seems to have become better than pre-injury PG
He definitely is better than pre-injury PG. This is the best he's ever been
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Re: Gordon Hayward: What — if anything — is holding him back?
« Reply #49 on: January 26, 2019, 04:44:59 AM »

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How has Paul George improved so much? Has he just been shooting better?

Paul George seems to have gone from a second tier star to a top one.


Paul George was, to put it simply, far longer removed from surgery when he came back to the game.   He was injured and had surgery in the summer, then came back in the following spring, looked pretty miserable, but then had all summer to work things out and looked pretty good the following season, a full year plus change removed from surgery.

Gordon was injured and had surgery in early fall, then had surgery again in the following May (of last Spring 2018) and came back to the NBA just a few short months later. 

Gordon won't be as far removed from surgery in time as George was when the latter started looking like his old self until this coming summer.  Hopefully during some late playoffs ...

PG seems to have taken it to another level though, seems to have become better than pre-injury PG
He definitely is better than pre-injury PG. This is the best he's ever been

I can only go off highlights, but PG seems to have gotten so much more consistent in the mid range

Same deal with Hayward this season. He's actually doing solid from mid range despite overall poor percentages