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Celtics Basketball => Celtics Talk => Topic started by: Pucaccia on February 20, 2013, 10:31:28 AM
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Yes or No? Jeff Green for Sixth Man of the Year.
If no, then post who you think.
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Jamal Crawford is having a great year with the Clippers. JR Smith is doing pretty well for the Knicks too.
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Funny cause everyone wanted him gone about a month ago, lol..i really like him and hope we keep him. The man been out all year and had heart surgery. It took him awhile to get back into basketball form
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Yes or No? Jeff Green for Sixth Man of the Year.
If no, then post who you think.
He might not be a sixth man candidate if something big happens before 3 tomorrow.
But, I love his progress.
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Can Jeff win this award if he isn't even the 6th man to play on our team(technically)?
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I'd be shocked if he cracked the top 5 in voting. He doesn't play enough, score enough or do anything else well enough to merit consideration.
Kenneth Faried would pay half his current salary to match up with Green in the 4th quarter of every game he plays...
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No -- J.Green has been mediocre for most of the season off the bench. A good run lately isn't enough to put him in the conversation. He doesn't deserve to be there.
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No -- J.Green has been mediocre for most of the season off the bench. A good run lately isn't enough to put him in the conversation. He doesn't deserve to be there.
Agreed. He has been a nice revelation lately, but too little too late to compete with other guys for that spot.
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Funny cause everyone wanted him gone about a month ago, lol..i really like him and hope we keep him. The man been out all year and had heart surgery. It took him awhile to get back into basketball form
either way you put it...his salary is still a buzz kill
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I would say he has a little better chance of winning it than I do. He has played well for a month. Before that he had a handful of good games. Maybe next year, unless he becomes a starter.
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He has certainly started to play like a worthy candidate but his overall production throughout the complete year will take that away.
Right now Crawfords gotta be the leading favorite with JR Smith in second.
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Funny cause everyone wanted him gone about a month ago, lol..i really like him and hope we keep him. The man been out all year and had heart surgery. It took him awhile to get back into basketball form
either way you put it...his salary is still a buzz kill
How do you figure if he plays at a high level?
Dude can not win with some of you.
I would say he has a little better chance of winning it than I do. He has played well for a month. Before that he had a handful of good games. Maybe next year, unless he becomes a starter.
Yeah this. But if his role continues next year I'd look at him as a strong candidate if he continues this play.
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If he sustains something resembling his level of play from February through the end of the season, then maybe. Otherwise, probably not.
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I think he has to do his February numbers PLUS some for the remainder of the season
he'll also probably need more highlight dunks...I mean it can't hurt lol
but I don't think he or anyone on our team has a really good chance.
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Jeff Green's salary is not a buzzkill. Brandon Bass' perhaps, but not Jeff Green's.
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Do you think it's possible he can win the Most-Improved Player award?
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I would think that Jamal Crawford, JR Smith, Manu Ginobili, and Kevin Martin are all ahead of him at this point, especially since each of their teams will finish in the top 3 of their respective conference.
Being on a 6-7-8 seed, you probably have to blow away those four guys to get the votes.
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Do you think it's possible he can win the Most-Improved Player award?
I think Harden is a lock to win this one.
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Do you think it's possible he can win the Most-Improved Player award?
I don't really see him as a candidate.
I'd see James Harden as a heavy favorite for this award. He's always been good - just more minutes and opportunity - which usually leads to the award being given.
He went from a great 3rd banana possible future star to a superstar in the eyes of the media.
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Do you think it's possible he can win the Most-Improved Player award?
I think Harden is a lock to win this one.
Beat me to it. He'll probably be close to unanimous.
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No. His play is close to what it was with the Thunder.
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Do you think it's possible he can win the Most-Improved Player award?
I think Harden is a lock to win this one.
Not only is Harden a lock but Green really hasnt improved at all, just playing as well as he played in big minutes on the Thunder.
Can a player miss a full season and then be considered Most Improved anyway?
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Do you think it's possible he can win the Most-Improved Player award?
I think that's more realistic
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I think Jarrett Jack and Carl Landry have been stellar in Golden State. They would both be in my top five for Sixth Man of the Year.
I like Kevin Martin and Manu Ginobili over Jamal Crawford. Maybe Redick too. Unfortunately, I suspect Jamal Crawford will be first choice for Sixth Man of the Year because he has the highest scoring numbers and has gained a lot of attention playing in LA and playing alongside CP3 and B.Griffin.
There is no backup small forward who I think deserves consideration.
Taj Gibson has been excellent again for Chicago at power forward but I don't see him getting enough credit because of his low scoring and primarily defensive + possession creation contributions. Carl Landry, mentioned above, is the other PF I think deserves consideration.
There is no backup center who I think deserves consideration.
Those would be my nominees.
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Do you think it's possible he can win the Most-Improved Player award?
How has he improved?
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I would say it will probably go to Judas, but Green is the comeback player of the year and its not really close. Heart Surgery then coming back to average 10ppg, that's the vote right there
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The Sixth Man of the Year Award tends to over-value scoring. It would be really hard to win unless you are averaging at least 14-15ppg.
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Jeff has been pretty consistent with his per-minute averages... Dude should be starting at SF somewhere.
In an ideal world, you probably trade Pierce for a big man like Al Jefferson or something (Utah wouldn't go for it)... maybe you could do a 3-way trade that landed Pierce on the Clippers, Bledsoe in Utah (they want a PG) and one of Utah's bigs in Boston. Because then you could start Jeff Green at his natural SF and he'll start giving you 15-18 a night consistently.
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How has he improved??? Are you being serious??
November: 42.1%FG and 29.2% from three
December: 41.4%FG and 32.4% from three
January: 48.5%FG and 34.5% from three
February: 53.2%FG and 47.1% from three
Also, if you watch the games, he is a MUCH BETTER defender in January and February.
I am astonished as to how this is NOT an improvement.
Smitty1965
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I was thinking the exact thing yesterday. I believe he has 17-18 games with 15+ points. That's great for a bench player.
But bigger names will win out
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Do you think it's possible he can win the Most-Improved Player award?
That would go to Sanders, Hickson or Greivis imo.
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Do you think it's possible he can win the Most-Improved Player award?
That would go to Sanders, Hickson or Greivis imo.
I still see Harden as a lock, but those are all great options. Jrue Holiday and Omer Asik too.
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I was thinking the exact thing yesterday. I believe he has 17-18 games with 15+ points. That's great for a bench player.
But bigger names will win out
Not that points scored are the only measure here, but Jamal Crawford has 30 games with 15+ points and JR Smith has 34.
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No. His play is close to what it was with the Thunder.
points wise, yes he is averagine about what he did with the thunder.
but right now he is doing it in Fewer minutes/Fewer shots per game at a higher Field goal percentage.\
he's been shooting 53% over his last 10 games
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He'd get my vote.
He's been up and down while he got his legs under him, but here lately?
He's been Super 8!
And he got to 20 pts, lol...
Not every player goes through something like this:
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQTFdpt2pWyQqjWpsrurlkHhaigpiWLg37JmTS20iD4TUnStTdN)
And then, goes to do THIS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3l7SV3CVVo
As he keeps up this level of play, I'd hope that he is at least mentioned as 6th MOTY.
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Well, first we must win some games and then we can talk about it...but if he continues to play like this...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3l7SV3CVVo
That video gives me the chills. :D
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I think everyone is overlooking the fact that we are a 7 seed currently. 6th man award winners are typically picked from the top of the standings.
If Jeff Green, Manu Ginobili, JR Smith, Jamal Crawford, and Kevin Martin all have similar impact, the other 4 will get more votes by virtue of being on a better team. Unless we go on a 29 game winning streak to close the season.
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I think Brook Lopez has improved more than Harden.
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No. His play is close to what it was with the Thunder.
points wise, yes he is averagine about what he did with the thunder.
but right now he is doing it in Fewer minutes/Fewer shots per game at a higher Field goal percentage.\
he's been shooting 53% over his last 10 games
On a per 36 minute basis, even with the recent uptick in Green's play he is at EXACTLY his career averages. Except for slightly worse rebounding, anyway.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/greenje02.html
His play has improved within the year, but for the year overall he has absolutely no case for Most Improved. None.
In fact if there were an award for "Most Consistent," he'd have a much better case for that.
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He is close to 100% now, and you can see the difference. I think he can improve a bit, but sixth man of the year will go to a western conference bench player (Crawford probably).
I couldn't care less about that kind of award. I want Jeff to be Finals MVP Cedric Maxwell style. But any Celtic would do for me :P
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Boris,
That is simply not true. For January and February, Jeff is shooting over 50% from the floor and he has never been above 45.3% for any other full year (granted it is not a year). He is also shooting around 40% from long range and his highest 3-point % was 38.9% and he averaged about 32% over those years. I truly think we are seeing a NEW and IMPROVED Jeff Green. He has NOT maxed out his potential IMHO!!!
Smitty77
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Boris,
That is simply not true. For January and February, Jeff is shooting over 50% from the floor and he has never been above 45.3% for any other full year (granted it is not a year). He is also shooting around 40% from long range and his highest 3-point % was 38.9% and he averaged about 32% over those years. I truly think we are seeing a NEW and IMPROVED Jeff Green. He has NOT maxed out his potential IMHO!!!
Smitty77
What I said is 100% true. Check the numbers.
You don't win the award for how you did in your best month or two, you win it for your performance over the entire year.
And, if you're going to cherry-pick months I will too. In February 2009 Green averaged 20.5 ppg, 9.5 rpg and 2.7 apg while shooting 46% overall and 41% from 3-point land. For January and February of that year he averaged over 19 points and 8 rebounds while shooting 44% from 3-point land.
Was that a true measure of his ability? Or was it the months much more recently in 2013 when he was averaging barely 40% from 2 and 30% from 3, while giving us terrible rebounding numbers?
I'm not saying he hasn't been playing well lately, but that simply isn't substantial enough of a sample to say anything about whether he's "improved."