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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #405 on: October 02, 2022, 09:22:06 PM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.
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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #406 on: October 02, 2022, 10:33:49 PM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #407 on: October 02, 2022, 10:37:13 PM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.
I feel like being both GM and coach has become too much for Bill (as it would be for anyone IMO). I think changing his role, and perhaps moving on from old favourites, such as re-hiring Patricia, will help progress the team.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #408 on: October 02, 2022, 10:56:38 PM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.
I feel like being both GM and coach has become too much for Bill (as it would be for anyone IMO). I think changing his role, and perhaps moving on from old favourites, such as re-hiring Patricia, will help progress the team.

I think a good compromise would be to let Bill handle the defensive personnel and then bring in a GM to take care of the offensive side, plus hire an actual
OC. Belichick would probably retire if he isn’t allowed to choose his defensive/special teams players.
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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #409 on: October 03, 2022, 08:15:54 AM »

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The Patriots played well against both Baltimore and Green Bay.  It was still 2 losses but these are 2 good teams with great QBs.  I have not given up on them.  I think the playoffs are still a reasonable hope.  They are definitely not close to being a top team but the schedule gets a lot easier for a few games now.  Let's see if they can get something going.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #410 on: October 03, 2022, 08:17:49 AM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.
I feel like being both GM and coach has become too much for Bill (as it would be for anyone IMO). I think changing his role, and perhaps moving on from old favourites, such as re-hiring Patricia, will help progress the team.

I think a good compromise would be to let Bill handle the defensive personnel and then bring in a GM to take care of the offensive side, plus hire an actual
OC. Belichick would probably retire if he isn’t allowed to choose his defensive/special teams players.

How would that work in practicality?  Does Bill have final say so on all acquisitions?  For instance, Bill wants to go defense in the first round, the co-GM wants offense.  Or, Bill wants to spend cap space across several defensive players; the co-GM has targeted two game-changers on offense.



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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #411 on: October 03, 2022, 08:39:12 AM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.
I feel like being both GM and coach has become too much for Bill (as it would be for anyone IMO). I think changing his role, and perhaps moving on from old favourites, such as re-hiring Patricia, will help progress the team.
This is what I've been saying for awhile.  Doing one of those jobs in the NFL is very hard, trying to do two is impossible.  Teams can get away with it for a little while, but not long term.  It just doesn't work.  I mean imagine a NBA trying to have a coach and GM at the same time.  We'd all think it is ridiculous yet it would be a heck of a lot easier to do in the NBA than it is in the NFL.  That said, I do think you can have a coach that has ultimate say from a power dynamic standpoint, so if two guys are close, the coach can make the final determination.
I was finally wrong. Boston not only didn't win in 5, but didn't win at all.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #412 on: October 03, 2022, 10:00:43 AM »

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There’s that Bum Devante Parker. Making plays, once again.
He had a nice 25 yard TD, unfortunately the rest of the game he had 1 catch for -1 yard (which he had at the time you posted this since it was before the TD).

So in sum here are Parker's 4 games this year

Game, Targets - Catches - Yards - Extra

Game 1, 2 - 1 - 9
Game 2, 2 - 0 - 0
Game 3, 10 - 5 - 156
Game 4, 2 - 2 - 24 - 1 TD

So in 4 games he has 16 Targets, 8 catches for 189 yards and 1 TD.  Very solid per catch average, just not nearly enough catches and only catching about half his targets (which also isn't very good). 
I was finally wrong. Boston not only didn't win in 5, but didn't win at all.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #413 on: October 03, 2022, 10:33:56 AM »

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I know this is kind of splitting hairs, but why have we been having Bryant return punts? Marcus Jones is an explosive 5'8 ish slot guy who was prolific at punt returns in college. It was his greatest skill coming out. It's why he had a mid round grade on him.

As soon as we use him, he produces immediately. Just seems strange to me considering Bryant has been meh.
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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #414 on: October 03, 2022, 10:41:21 AM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.
I feel like being both GM and coach has become too much for Bill (as it would be for anyone IMO). I think changing his role, and perhaps moving on from old favourites, such as re-hiring Patricia, will help progress the team.

I think a good compromise would be to let Bill handle the defensive personnel and then bring in a GM to take care of the offensive side, plus hire an actual
OC. Belichick would probably retire if he isn’t allowed to choose his defensive/special teams players.

How would that work in practicality?  Does Bill have final say so on all acquisitions?  For instance, Bill wants to go defense in the first round, the co-GM wants offense.  Or, Bill wants to spend cap space across several defensive players; the co-GM has targeted two game-changers on offense.

Ownership would have to get more involved to make those final decisions. I honestly would be surprised if they aren’t already doing this. The Krafts are paying Jonnu Smith, Hunter Henry, and Nelson Agholor nearly $40M/ year combined for virtually no production. Something has got to give.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #415 on: October 03, 2022, 11:03:54 AM »

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Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #416 on: October 03, 2022, 11:18:14 AM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.
I feel like being both GM and coach has become too much for Bill (as it would be for anyone IMO). I think changing his role, and perhaps moving on from old favourites, such as re-hiring Patricia, will help progress the team.

I think a good compromise would be to let Bill handle the defensive personnel and then bring in a GM to take care of the offensive side, plus hire an actual
OC. Belichick would probably retire if he isn’t allowed to choose his defensive/special teams players.

How would that work in practicality?  Does Bill have final say so on all acquisitions?  For instance, Bill wants to go defense in the first round, the co-GM wants offense.  Or, Bill wants to spend cap space across several defensive players; the co-GM has targeted two game-changers on offense.
It wouldn't work and it's why no other team is structured that way and that none ever has. It's a really bad suggestion.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #417 on: October 03, 2022, 11:19:19 AM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.
I feel like being both GM and coach has become too much for Bill (as it would be for anyone IMO). I think changing his role, and perhaps moving on from old favourites, such as re-hiring Patricia, will help progress the team.
This is what I've been saying for awhile.  Doing one of those jobs in the NFL is very hard, trying to do two is impossible.  Teams can get away with it for a little while, but not long term.  It just doesn't work.  I mean imagine a NBA trying to have a coach and GM at the same time.  We'd all think it is ridiculous yet it would be a heck of a lot easier to do in the NBA than it is in the NFL.  That said, I do think you can have a coach that has ultimate say from a power dynamic standpoint, so if two guys are close, the coach can make the final determination.
It's impossible to do both jobs?

There's about 20+ years of history that prove this wrong.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #418 on: October 03, 2022, 11:28:05 AM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.
I feel like being both GM and coach has become too much for Bill (as it would be for anyone IMO). I think changing his role, and perhaps moving on from old favourites, such as re-hiring Patricia, will help progress the team.

I think a good compromise would be to let Bill handle the defensive personnel and then bring in a GM to take care of the offensive side, plus hire an actual
OC. Belichick would probably retire if he isn’t allowed to choose his defensive/special teams players.

How would that work in practicality?  Does Bill have final say so on all acquisitions?  For instance, Bill wants to go defense in the first round, the co-GM wants offense.  Or, Bill wants to spend cap space across several defensive players; the co-GM has targeted two game-changers on offense.
It wouldn't work and it's why no other team is structured that way and that none ever has. It's a really bad suggestion.

Nick, what isn’t working is what the Pats are currently doing. How many teams have a coach who is also GM? That would be zero. No other team is doing that. It’s too much for one person to do and it shows. Bill is 70 years old now. Brady hasn’t been here for years. Time to change the strategy.

Re: Patriots 2022 Season
« Reply #419 on: October 03, 2022, 11:29:50 AM »

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It's pretty sad how people get excited about a young QB scoring a touchdown for the Pats. You can combine Mac Jones, Zappe and Hoyer together into a voltron QB and this team will still suck. None of these guys are ever going to approach 25% of Tom Brady's ability.

Last year Mac was runner up for Rookie of the year, he made the pro bowl and was the best QB in a loaded draft class. Why wouldn’t fans get excited going into year two? Unfortunately, the coaching staff is failing him this season. No one’s expecting him or any other QB to be Brady.

This is mediocre to lousy team since Brady left unfortunately. This may be it for the foreseeable future. Bill Belichick is proving he can't win without Brady. The roster is poorly constructed each year and the coaching is questionable at best.

Certainly seems that way. Will be interesting to see what the Krafts decide to do about it.
I feel like being both GM and coach has become too much for Bill (as it would be for anyone IMO). I think changing his role, and perhaps moving on from old favourites, such as re-hiring Patricia, will help progress the team.
This is what I've been saying for awhile.  Doing one of those jobs in the NFL is very hard, trying to do two is impossible.  Teams can get away with it for a little while, but not long term.  It just doesn't work.  I mean imagine a NBA trying to have a coach and GM at the same time.  We'd all think it is ridiculous yet it would be a heck of a lot easier to do in the NBA than it is in the NFL.  That said, I do think you can have a coach that has ultimate say from a power dynamic standpoint, so if two guys are close, the coach can make the final determination.
It's impossible to do both jobs?

There's about 20+ years of history that prove this wrong.

When it was working for the Pats, they always had a Director of Player Personnel or something like that.  Someone performing the duties of the GM role.  It was not like Belichick tried to do both jobs.  He just had authority over the GM instead of the GM having authority over the Coach.  That is really the only difference.  Bill was able to make it work pretty well, and I don't think just because of Tom Brady.

During the season, the focus is more on coaching.  I am sure the GMs still do stuff, look for trades, released players.  I suspect Bill left that to the player personnel guy.  Then got more involved for the draft and FA periods.