Greenly’s Trade Ideas (merged)

[GreenlyGreeny]

Kind of like this idea, which gets us legit number twos and threes and a clean break from Brown, Smart and Horford:

BOS In: Fox
SAC In: Brown

Why for Sacramento: They’ve got Haliburton and Mitchell, so could use Brown more than Fox. Why for us: Fox would better complement Tatum and would be the perfect number two facilitator. Age range is the same as Brown with a longer term contract.

BOS In: Hayward, Rozier
CHA In: Smart, Horford, Schröder

Why for Charlotte: Get out of Hayward’s contract (they can stretch Horford in the off-season) given their depth at SF/PF, and simultaneously give Ball a complementary lockdown guard in Smart. Possible their cap situation will enable re-signing Schröder after they stretch Horford, or they can flip Schröder right away to someone in the West. They can also use Horford for a playoff run. Why for us: Hayward is the consummate number three who complements Tatum well, and they are reportedly buddies. We’ve not won jack since Hayward left, too. And Rozier’s 2018 playoffs performance is the best PG performance we’ve seen since then, so he would be an ideal 6MOTY candidate.

New 8-man rotation, 7 of which are under contract after this season:

Fox/Rozier
Richardson/Rozier
Tatum/G. Williams
Hayward/G. Williams
Timelord/Freedom

Maybe in the off-season Beal forces his way out of Washington, in which case Hayward and picks may be the ticket (or ideally we flip our TPE to someone and move that someone such that TPE obtained player + Rozier + picks = Beal matching dollars):

Fox/MLE PG and/or Pritchard and/or 2022 1st
Beal/Richardson
Tatum/Richardson
Hayward/G. Williams
Timelord/Ring-chasing vet and/or 2022 1st

[GreenlyGreeny]

Lillard is a transcendent player, a top ten and perhaps top five come playoff Dame Time who makes all of his teammates better, so I’d be open to this idea:

BOS In: Lillard
BOS Out: Brown, Schröder, Hernangomez, 2022 1st, 2023 1st swap, 2024 1st, 2025 1st swap (am guessing Schröder would go to a contender for a protected first that goes to Portland, and Portland would take Brown as their new piece to rebuild around)

Leaves us with quite the 8-man rotation, possibly capable of making a serious run this year if Lillard/Tatum jive and it becomes Dame Time:

Lillard/Smart
Richardson/Smart
Tatum/G. Williams
Horford/G. Williams
Timelord/Freedom

[GreenlyGreeny]

BOS In: Giddey, Haliburton, Barnes (or Hield if needed)
OKC In: Brown
SAC In: Smart, Langford, Nesmith, 2022 LAC 1st via OKC, 2023 MIA 1st via OKC, 2024 HOU 1st via OKC

In other words, Brown is traded for Giddey and three first-round picks (OKC has something like 15 of them in the next four years, so perhaps they even part with four picks). The picks are flipped alongside Smart, Langford and Nesmith to get Haliburton and Barnes. The whole thing lowers our cap by $16 million, which could come in handy in the future (e.g., see the question at the end about Schröder possibly being available to re-sign if we clear that much cap now).

New nine-man rotation of facilitators who have the potential to help Tatum become a top five player in the next 1-2 years:

Haliburton/Schröder (at least for now, perhaps Pritchard later)
Giddey/Richardson
Tatum/Richardson
Barnes/G. Williams
Timelord/Horford

If SAC is only willing to give Haliburton + Hield, not Barnes, start Richardson at the three, Tatum at the four, and Hield as backup to 2/3.

That’s a significant improvement for us now and certainly in the future since it’s quite easy to envision Giddey/Halliburton becoming one of the best backcourts in the league. The fit with Tatum could be tremendous. It’s good enough that if nobody is willing to give us a first for Schröder, it would make more sense to keep him and try a playoff run. Does anybody know if we’d be able to possibly get Schröder to re-sign somehow by clearing the $16 million above? If we could get OKC to agree to take on Hernangomez, that becomes $20-22 million less a vet minimum player (hopefully Joe Johnson) to get us to fourteen players.

[GreenlyGreeny]

If we pulled off the above and simultaneously moved Horford and picks for Beal (Beal has the power to demand a trade like Kawhi and PG-13 did back in the day with the Spurs and Pacers, so essentially force his way here), we would be able to make a championship run in 2022 and still drop our cap by $9 million or more depending on the situation with Hernangomez:

Haliburton/Schröder
Beal/Giddey
Tatum/Richardson
Barnes/G. Williams
Timelord/Freedom

Giddey is tall enough and good enough of a passer to be slotted anywhere from 1-3. After this season, it would probably make sense starting him at the 3 and Tatum at the 4. As such, maybe it even makes sense to package Schröder and Richardson for a solid backup PG on a relatively decent 3-4 year deal? Suggestions?

Love, love, love the above. It gets us from being a disappointing  play-in-level team to competing against the Nets THIS year. Come on, Beal, demand that trade so you can pair up with your buddy!

[GreenlyGreeny]

Say Beal does not force his way out and Sacramento refuses to part with Haliburton, this still might do the trick to get us our championship team while keeping our superstar happy and committed:

BOS In: Beal, Giddey, Thomas Bryant
OKC In: Brown, Hernangomez
WAS In: Smart, Horford, Langford, Nesmith, 2022 LAC 1st via OKC, 2023 MIA 1st via OKC, 2023 BOS 1st, 2024 HOU 1st via OKC, 2025 BOS 1st

Obviously the deal is contingent on Beal signing a four year extension in addition to his current player option year on the books (Washington must be getting nervous).

The above clears $31 million this year sans the three slots at 12-14 we would be best served to fill with guys like Joe Johnson. That room surely gives us flexibility to re-sign Schröder, maybe Bryant too?

We make a run this year with this:

Schröder
Beal/Richardson
Giddey/Richardson
Tatum/G. Williams
Timelord/Bryant/Freedom in case Bryant is injured goods

Giddey is tall enough and good enough of a passer to play 1-3. Beal is good enough of a passer to be a PG if needed. Richardson can play 2-3. This flexibility allows us to go with the above rotation with Beal and Giddey taking turns at the 1 when Schröder rests. And maybe Pritchard steps up.

The above is good enough to win a title this year or next IMHO. Gives us a clean-cut from the Ainge era too since only Jayson, Grant and Timelord would remain from that era (thereby making Jayson our longest tenured Celtic, undeniable leader, and his buddy Beal is his sidekick with a potentially tremendous number three in Giddey that could truly make us Giddey). Said it before and will say it again: The only way for us to achieve a Big 3 with Tatum is almost surely via acquiring one of the three on a rookie contract. Giddey just might be that guy.

[nickagneta]

Your trades have always had a very NBA2K vibe to them but they are getting even worse than that.

The NBA simply does not work in real life like you are trying to input into these trade ideas. They are becoming more preposterous as the year goes on.

Trade player A for these two stars
Trade player B for these two amazing prospects
Trade scrub A, B and C and a bunch of picks for this superstar

Look at the amazing team we have.

Life in the NBA doesn't work that that.

[Sophomore]

Say Beal does not force his way out and Sacramento refuses to part with Haliburton, this still might do the trick to get us our championship team while keeping our superstar happy and committed:

BOS In: Beal, Giddey, Thomas Bryant
OKC In: Brown, Hernangomez
WAS In: Smart, Horford, Langford, Nesmith, 2022 LAC 1st via OKC, 2023 MIA 1st via OKC, 2023 BOS 1st, 2024 HOU 1st via OKC, 2025 BOS 1st

Obviously the deal is contingent on Beal signing a four year extension in addition to his current player option year on the books (Washington must be getting nervous).

The above clears $31 million this year sans the three slots at 12-14 we would be best served to fill with guys like Joe Johnson. That room surely gives us flexibility to re-sign Schröder, maybe Bryant too?

We make a run this year with this:

Schröder
Beal/Richardson
Giddey/Richardson
Tatum/G. Williams
Timelord/Bryant/Freedom in case Bryant is injured goods

Giddey is tall enough and good enough of a passer to play 1-3. Beal is good enough of a passer to be a PG if needed. Richardson can play 2-3. This flexibility allows us to go with the above rotation with Beal and Giddey taking turns at the 1 when Schröder rests. And maybe Pritchard steps up.

The above is good enough to win a title this year or next IMHO. Gives us a clean-cut from the Ainge era too since only Jayson, Grant and Timelord would remain from that era (thereby making Jayson our longest tenured Celtic, undeniable leader, and his buddy Beal is his sidekick with a potentially tremendous number three in Giddey that could truly make us Giddey). Said it before and will say it again: The only way for us to achieve a Big 3 with Tatum is almost surely via acquiring one of the three on a rookie contract. Giddey just might be that guy.

Having to watch DS as our point guard would make me put my eyes out, and Giddey has a long way to go to be a solid starting wing on a good team. Trading out Brown and Smart plus picks and filler for Beal, Giddey, and a backup center makes the Cs a worse team.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Your trades have always had a very NBA2K vibe to them but they are getting even worse than that.

The NBA simply does not work in real life like you are trying to input into these trade ideas. They are becoming more preposterous as the year goes on.

Trade player A for these two stars
Trade player B for these two amazing prospects
Trade scrub A, B and C and a bunch of picks for this superstar

Look at the amazing team we have.

What did we do when we traded first for Ray Allen and then for KG? Remind me again how we went from the worst to champions? Two big trades, not just keep doing what we’re doing and hope things will be different next year. Getting a Big 3 can be done because we’ve done it before. Big 3 or bust, baby.

Life in the NBA doesn't work that that.

Life in the NBA certainly doesn’t work where a team is roughly at .500 for over 100 games and just keeps not changing like we need to change, and then suddenly becomes the champions. No, that team is called a team stuck on the treadmill of mediocrity. It’s not supposed to happen in Title Town. The only way to change it is to—surprise, surprise—change something.

Folks have grown accustomed to old man Ainge mediocrity and this absurd mentality of “winning trades” only by ensuring the other party “loses” the trade. Trades can be win-win. It’s certainly the case that not a single trade has ever occurred where both parties did not think it was benefiting them to do the trade. Basketball is a complex game heavily dependent on chemistry and fit, not just statistics and measurements. One player might be good with certain teammates, but become a great player with other teammates. Two players may play together where breaking them up benefits both players, too.

[GreenlyGreeny]

The best thing is winning a title by beating LA, the second best is winning a title by beating another team, and the third best thing is helping a rival of LA beat LA (it’s not like we’ve got any shot at a title anytime soon so let’s just rebuild and help GSW beat LA the next 2-3 years):

Trade 1
BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, 2023 GSW 1st, 2025 GSW 1st, 2027 GSW 1st, Looney (make the dollars work)
GSW In: Tatum

Trade 2
BOS In: Giddey, 2022 DET 1st (Top 16 Protection), 2024 LAC 1st, 2026 OKC 1st
OKC In: Brown

Trade 3
BOS In: 2026 PHX 1st, Nader, Payton (match dollars)
PHX In: Schröder

Trade 4
BOS In: Davion Mitchell, TT on expiring to make dollars match (do buy-out)
SAC In: Smart

Trade these in different trades for whatever we can get, agreeing to take on bad contracts that expire after 2022-2023:

Richardson
Freedom
Hernangomez
Langford (if untradeable, do not pick up option)
Nesmith (same as Langford)
Pritchard (same as Langford)

Come the off-season, pick up Al’s option so he can be our gentle Roy Kent and go into the season with this young core, garbage expiring contracts on the bench:

Mitchell
Giddey/Moody
Kuminga
Wiseman/G. Williams
Timelord/Horford

+ top 2022 BOS 1st (if we pull off the above at the end of this month, this is a full-on tank of 2021-2022 so tremendous odds of it being a top five pick)

Heading into the 2023 off-season, call Ray Donovan and do whatever it takes to get Jokic to sign a max here (Wiseman is more than fast enough to play the 4, Timelord off the bench). Then re-sign Horford on the cheap for continued veteran leadership, and bring back Grant on the cheap. We’d also have all of these dozen picks the next half decade, so lots of hedges against the young guys above not panning out (Giddey and Wiseman are solid starters no matter what, the rest could bust). So many picks let’s us constantly replenish youth throughout the decade and possibly land the next Great Celtic via the draft:

2023 BOS 1st
2023 DET 1st
2023 GSW 1st
2024 BOS 1st
2024 LAC 1st
2025 BOS 1st
2025 GSW 1st
2026 BOS 1st
2026 OKC 1st
2026 PHX 1st
2027 BOS 1st
2027 GSW 1st

How does this not sound more interesting and exciting than the past 100+ games of “oh, we got two ALL-stars wings who are young, and wings are sooo valuable, so just keep them and watch them take turns playing boring, morale crushing iso ball each game—it’s really awesome when they choke in the 4th and blow the biggest leads of any Celtics duo in history on a consistent basis”?

[Csfan1984]

The best thing is winning a title by beating LA, the second best is winning a title by beating another team, and the third best thing is helping a rival of LA beat LA (it’s not like we’ve got any shot at a title anytime soon so let’s just rebuild and help GSW beat LA the next 2-3 years):

Trade 1
BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, 2023 GSW 1st, 2025 GSW 1st, 2027 GSW 1st, Looney (make the dollars work)
GSW In: Tatum

Trade 2
BOS In: Giddey, 2022 DET 1st (Top 16 Protection), 2024 LAC 1st, 2026 OKC 1st
OKC In: Brown

Trade 3
BOS In: 2026 PHX 1st, Nader, Payton (match dollars)
PHX In: Schröder

Trade 4
BOS In: Davion Mitchell, TT on expiring to make dollars match (do buy-out)
SAC In: Smart

Trade these in different trades for whatever we can get, agreeing to take on bad contracts that expire after 2022-2023:

Richardson
Freedom
Hernangomez
Langford (if untradeable, do not pick up option)
Nesmith (same as Langford)
Pritchard (same as Langford)

Come the off-season, pick up Al’s option so he can be our gentle Roy Kent and go into the season with this young core, garbage expiring contracts on the bench:

Mitchell
Giddey/Moody
Kuminga
Wiseman/G. Williams
Timelord/Horford

+ top 2022 BOS 1st (if we pull off the above at the end of this month, this is a full-on tank of 2021-2022 so tremendous odds of it being a top five pick)

Heading into the 2023 off-season, call Ray Donovan and do whatever it takes to get Jokic to sign a max here (Wiseman is more than fast enough to play the 4, Timelord off the bench). Then re-sign Horford on the cheap for continued veteran leadership, and bring back Grant on the cheap. We’d also have all of these dozen picks the next half decade, so lots of hedges against the young guys above not panning out (Giddey and Wiseman are solid starters no matter what, the rest could bust). So many picks let’s us constantly replenish youth throughout the decade and possibly land the next Great Celtic via the draft:

2023 BOS 1st
2023 DET 1st
2023 GSW 1st
2024 BOS 1st
2024 LAC 1st
2025 BOS 1st
2025 GSW 1st
2026 BOS 1st
2026 OKC 1st
2026 PHX 1st
2027 BOS 1st
2027 GSW 1st

How does this not sound more interesting and exciting than the past 100+ games of “oh, we got two ALL-stars wings who are young, and wings are sooo valuable, so just keep them and watch them take turns playing boring, morale crushing iso ball each game—it’s really awesome when they choke in the 4th and blow the biggest leads of any Celtics duo in history on a consistent basis”?

No on the 1 because the picks coming back are terrible and prospects aren't high enough. Need some kind of premium return. One quarter and six dimes for a dollar is terrible.

Number 2 trade is even worst than one because the best possible pick is protected. You are trading an All-star player who hasn't hit his prime yet and who still under a great contract for long shots.

Trade 3 is fine Nader and a first would be good. I don't think suns would do that deal. Schro isn't a need.

Trade 4 is too low a return for Smart if you have to buy-out TT. Add a protected first or first swap first.

[GreenlyGreeny]

The best thing is winning a title by beating LA, the second best is winning a title by beating another team, and the third best thing is helping a rival of LA beat LA (it’s not like we’ve got any shot at a title anytime soon so let’s just rebuild and help GSW beat LA the next 2-3 years):

Trade 1
BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, 2023 GSW 1st, 2025 GSW 1st, 2027 GSW 1st, Looney (make the dollars work)
GSW In: Tatum

Trade 2
BOS In: Giddey, 2022 DET 1st (Top 16 Protection), 2024 LAC 1st, 2026 OKC 1st
OKC In: Brown

Trade 3
BOS In: 2026 PHX 1st, Nader, Payton (match dollars)
PHX In: Schröder

Trade 4
BOS In: Davion Mitchell, TT on expiring to make dollars match (do buy-out)
SAC In: Smart

Trade these in different trades for whatever we can get, agreeing to take on bad contracts that expire after 2022-2023:

Richardson
Freedom
Hernangomez
Langford (if untradeable, do not pick up option)
Nesmith (same as Langford)
Pritchard (same as Langford)

Come the off-season, pick up Al’s option so he can be our gentle Roy Kent and go into the season with this young core, garbage expiring contracts on the bench:

Mitchell
Giddey/Moody
Kuminga
Wiseman/G. Williams
Timelord/Horford

+ top 2022 BOS 1st (if we pull off the above at the end of this month, this is a full-on tank of 2021-2022 so tremendous odds of it being a top five pick)

Heading into the 2023 off-season, call Ray Donovan and do whatever it takes to get Jokic to sign a max here (Wiseman is more than fast enough to play the 4, Timelord off the bench). Then re-sign Horford on the cheap for continued veteran leadership, and bring back Grant on the cheap. We’d also have all of these dozen picks the next half decade, so lots of hedges against the young guys above not panning out (Giddey and Wiseman are solid starters no matter what, the rest could bust). So many picks let’s us constantly replenish youth throughout the decade and possibly land the next Great Celtic via the draft:

2023 BOS 1st
2023 DET 1st
2023 GSW 1st
2024 BOS 1st
2024 LAC 1st
2025 BOS 1st
2025 GSW 1st
2026 BOS 1st
2026 OKC 1st
2026 PHX 1st
2027 BOS 1st
2027 GSW 1st

How does this not sound more interesting and exciting than the past 100+ games of “oh, we got two ALL-stars wings who are young, and wings are sooo valuable, so just keep them and watch them take turns playing boring, morale crushing iso ball each game—it’s really awesome when they choke in the 4th and blow the biggest leads of any Celtics duo in history on a consistent basis”?

No on the 1 because the picks coming back are terrible…

The 2023 pick will probably be high 20s or 30th overall, but it could also produce the next caliber of Celtic like Timelord or Grant, both picked in the 20s. In addition, a lot can happen between now and 2025/2027 such that those picks could be good. Steph, Klay and Dray are all in their 30s. They would be giving us all of their youth. There’s no guarantee Tatum would not jump ship for the Lakers or Clippers in 2025-2026. Just think about how GSW only recently had a top pick due to having an injury-plagued season.

and prospects aren't high enough.

Wiseman (age 20) was second overall in 2020, Kuminga (age 19) was seventh overall in 2021, and Moody (age 19) was 14th overall in 2021. In other words, we’re getting three lottery picks who are still not of drinking age, and three future picks for Tatum. That is a haul if we’re going rebuild mode. Plus it probably ensures the title for GSW the next 2-3 years, meaning the Lakers and LeBron are F’d just like we’re F’d right now. This is 4D chess to F the Lakers and LeBron. Frankly, I don’t care who wins the title if it’s not us, so long as it’s not the Lakers, 76ers or Knicks. If Curry can get 6-7 titles, everyone talks about Curry being the best player of the 2010/2020s, with LeBron relegated away from the GOAT chatter (such nonsense) given his one Bubble title in LA, fluke title against GSW with which GSW sacked him 3 of 4 times that era, and then the bought-and-paid-for two Miami titles with that run ending in a loss to Kawhi.

I personally think Wiseman’s floor is the solid starter he is right now perhaps if injuries haunt him, and his ceiling is one of the top 5 big men in the league.

Need some kind of premium return. One quarter and six dimes for a dollar is terrible.

It’s more like trading some blue-chip stock for three potential blue-chip stocks and money in the future.

Number 2 trade is even worst than one because the best possible pick is protected. You are trading an All-star player who hasn't hit his prime yet and who still under a great contract for long shots.

The price for Giddey, the sixth overall pick in 2021 who at age 19 is the youngest NBA player to achieve a triple-double (something JB has never achieved in his career), has gone way up. Frankly, we’d perhaps be lucky to get Giddey and the Detroit/LAC picks, and I’d settle for Giddey and the Detroit pick alone. That so-called great contract of JB is ticking down (only 2 years left after this), and Giddey is already looking like an upcoming all-star on his rookie contract (and most people who make it to the HOF had made it as an all-star on their rookie contract, their first 3-4 years, and most people who do that become HOFers).

Trade 3 is fine Nader and a first would be good. I don't think suns would do that deal. Schro isn't a need.

We move Tatum to GSW, you better believe Phoenix will be willing to send a distant future 1st to stand a chance against GSW this year (they’d be hoping for injuries but might have a shot with Schröder). There’s no other way for Phoenix to improve their team by giving up two splinter-prone bench players.

Trade 4 is too low a return for Smart if you have to buy-out TT. Add a protected first or first swap first.

We could just shutdown TT and let his contract end if needed while paying him. We just do not want him in our locker room.

Davion Mitchell (age 23) was the 9th overall pick in 2021 based on his defensive skills, high BBIQ and intangibles (leader of the 2021 NCAA champions), so he’s a potential future Smart who can already pass/facilitate better (and may grow into a better shooter…verdict is still TBD). We would be extremely lucky to get Mitchell for Smart, and I think it might even need a swap or first (or two seconds) to get that deal done, but Sac also needs to start winning now and they could put Haliburton at the 3 (he’s 6’5) with Smart at 2 and Fox at 1.

[Csfan1984]

The best thing is winning a title by beating LA, the second best is winning a title by beating another team, and the third best thing is helping a rival of LA beat LA (it’s not like we’ve got any shot at a title anytime soon so let’s just rebuild and help GSW beat LA the next 2-3 years):

Trade 1
BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, 2023 GSW 1st, 2025 GSW 1st, 2027 GSW 1st, Looney (make the dollars work)
GSW In: Tatum

Trade 2
BOS In: Giddey, 2022 DET 1st (Top 16 Protection), 2024 LAC 1st, 2026 OKC 1st
OKC In: Brown

Trade 3
BOS In: 2026 PHX 1st, Nader, Payton (match dollars)
PHX In: Schröder

Trade 4
BOS In: Davion Mitchell, TT on expiring to make dollars match (do buy-out)
SAC In: Smart

Trade these in different trades for whatever we can get, agreeing to take on bad contracts that expire after 2022-2023:

Richardson
Freedom
Hernangomez
Langford (if untradeable, do not pick up option)
Nesmith (same as Langford)
Pritchard (same as Langford)

Come the off-season, pick up Al’s option so he can be our gentle Roy Kent and go into the season with this young core, garbage expiring contracts on the bench:

Mitchell
Giddey/Moody
Kuminga
Wiseman/G. Williams
Timelord/Horford

+ top 2022 BOS 1st (if we pull off the above at the end of this month, this is a full-on tank of 2021-2022 so tremendous odds of it being a top five pick)

Heading into the 2023 off-season, call Ray Donovan and do whatever it takes to get Jokic to sign a max here (Wiseman is more than fast enough to play the 4, Timelord off the bench). Then re-sign Horford on the cheap for continued veteran leadership, and bring back Grant on the cheap. We’d also have all of these dozen picks the next half decade, so lots of hedges against the young guys above not panning out (Giddey and Wiseman are solid starters no matter what, the rest could bust). So many picks let’s us constantly replenish youth throughout the decade and possibly land the next Great Celtic via the draft:

2023 BOS 1st
2023 DET 1st
2023 GSW 1st
2024 BOS 1st
2024 LAC 1st
2025 BOS 1st
2025 GSW 1st
2026 BOS 1st
2026 OKC 1st
2026 PHX 1st
2027 BOS 1st
2027 GSW 1st

How does this not sound more interesting and exciting than the past 100+ games of “oh, we got two ALL-stars wings who are young, and wings are sooo valuable, so just keep them and watch them take turns playing boring, morale crushing iso ball each game—it’s really awesome when they choke in the 4th and blow the biggest leads of any Celtics duo in history on a consistent basis”?

No on the 1 because the picks coming back are terrible…

The 2023 pick will probably be high 20s or 30th overall, but it could also produce the next caliber of Celtic like Timelord or Grant, both picked in the 20s. In addition, a lot can happen between now and 2025/2027 such that those picks could be good. Steph, Klay and Dray are all in their 30s. They would be giving us all of their youth. There’s no guarantee Tatum would not jump ship for the Lakers or Clippers in 2025-2026. Just think about how GSW only recently had a top pick due to having an injury-plagued season.

and prospects aren't high enough.

Wiseman (age 20) was second overall in 2020, Kuminga (age 19) was seventh overall in 2021, and Moody (age 19) was 14th overall in 2021. In other words, we’re getting three lottery picks who are still not of drinking age, and three future picks for Tatum. That is a haul if we’re going rebuild mode. Plus it probably ensures the title for GSW the next 2-3 years, meaning the Lakers and LeBron are F’d just like we’re F’d right now. This is 4D chess to F the Lakers and LeBron. Frankly, I don’t care who wins the title if it’s not us, so long as it’s not the Lakers, 76ers or Knicks. If Curry can get 6-7 titles, everyone talks about Curry being the best player of the 2010/2020s, with LeBron relegated away from the GOAT chatter (such nonsense) given his one Bubble title in LA, fluke title against GSW with which GSW sacked him 3 of 4 times that era, and then the bought-and-paid-for two Miami titles with that run ending in a loss to Kawhi.

I personally think Wiseman’s floor is the solid starter he is right now perhaps if injuries haunt him, and his ceiling is one of the top 5 big men in the league.

Need some kind of premium return. One quarter and six dimes for a dollar is terrible.

It’s more like trading some blue-chip stock for three potential blue-chip stocks and money in the future.

Number 2 trade is even worst than one because the best possible pick is protected. You are trading an All-star player who hasn't hit his prime yet and who still under a great contract for long shots.

The price for Giddey, the sixth overall pick in 2021 who at age 19 is the youngest NBA player to achieve a triple-double (something JB has never achieved in his career), has gone way up. Frankly, we’d perhaps be lucky to get Giddey and the Detroit/LAC picks, and I’d settle for Giddey and the Detroit pick alone. That so-called great contract of JB is ticking down (only 2 years left after this), and Giddey is already looking like an upcoming all-star on his rookie contract (and most people who make it to the HOF had made it as an all-star on their rookie contract, their first 3-4 years, and most people who do that become HOFers).

Trade 3 is fine Nader and a first would be good. I don't think suns would do that deal. Schro isn't a need.

We move Tatum to GSW, you better believe Phoenix will be willing to send a distant future 1st to stand a chance against GSW this year (they’d be hoping for injuries but might have a shot with Schröder). There’s no other way for Phoenix to improve their team by giving up two splinter-prone bench players.

Trade 4 is too low a return for Smart if you have to buy-out TT. Add a protected first or first swap first.

We could just shutdown TT and let his contract end if needed while paying him. We just do not want him in our locker room.

Davion Mitchell (age 23) was the 9th overall pick in 2021 based on his defensive skills, high BBIQ and intangibles (leader of the 2021 NCAA champions), so he’s a potential future Smart who can already pass/facilitate better (and may grow into a better shooter…verdict is still TBD). We would be extremely lucky to get Mitchell for Smart, and I think it might even need a swap or first (or two seconds) to get that deal done, but Sac also needs to start winning now and they could put Haliburton at the 3 (he’s 6’5) with Smart at 2 and Fox at 1.

You completely overvalued the other teams players and under value the C's. You don't trade all Stars and all NBA defenders for high picked players that haven't managed to make any splash. Tatum and Brown were forcing playing time at their age. So no no matter how you want to talk potential it's not even trade. Also Tatum and Brown aren't even at their prime yet how's that for potential? This isn't NBA 2k where every 79 prospect becomes a 90 player. Bust are rampant in real life.

[W8ting2McHale]

Giddey is indeed the youngest to hit the triple-double stat, but as of today you can no longer claim that JB has never reached that mark.

[GreenlyGreeny]

Giddey is indeed the youngest to hit the triple-double stat, but as of today you can no longer claim that JB has never reached that mark.

And few are happier about it than me. If he keeps that up, and we keep winning, I’ll go firmly back into the JKJB camp. That said, one game against the Knicks he has zero assists and another game against the Knicks a few days later he has a triple double. It tells me that JB just does what JB wants to do, not necessarily what JB needs to do for the team to win. The JB of last night is EXACTLY what we need, though: A guy who not only scores but facilitates and gets into the mud with rebounds.

I think if JB played like last night all of the time and accepted that he’s the number two and always will be no matter what (because he’s almost surely not capable of surpassing JT’s offensive talent and superstar status), we can grow into JT/JB being what we all hoped it would be and still hope it will be. JB should be aware that a 17-20 PPG and 7-10 APG is far, far more impressive (and conducive to winning) than getting your scoring up to 25 PPG with 1-2 APG (reasoning: Team cohesion and teammates love a guy who ensures they get theirs with awesome assists). The dude is extremely talented and when he does what must be done to ensure we’ve got the chemistry and fit we need to win, I’m right up there as a fan of him. 

[GreenlyGreeny]

How about this JKJB trade idea where we try to make Wiseman and/or Kuminga our future number three in a Big 3. We could execute this on January 30 at the earliest:

Trade 1
BOS In: Turner
IND In: BOS TPE, 2022 BOS 2nd, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 HOU/DAL/MIA 2nd

Trade 2
BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Mannion
IND In: Smart, Timelord, 2022 BOS 1st swap, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st swap
GSW In: Sabonis, Schröder, BOS 2024 1st, BOS 2026 1st

So basically trade 1 is for taking Turner off their hands, which not any other team can do for them. We do not agree to do that unless Indiana and GSW agree to trade two (or Indiana agrees to deal Sabonis to us for what we send out above, sans those 2024 and 2026 1sts).

Here is the accounting:

IND In: Smart, Timelord, 2022 BOS 1st swap, 2022 BOS 2nd, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 HOU/DAL/MIA 2nd, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st swap
IND Out: Sabonis, Turner

GSW In: Sabonis, Schröder, BOS 2024 1st, BOS 2026 1st
GSW Out: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Mannion

BOS In: Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Turner, Mannion (makes the GSW dollars work within $100K)
BOS Out: Smart, Timelord, Schröder, BOS 2024 1st, BOS 2026 1st, 2022 BOS 1st swap, 2023 BOS 1st swap, 2025 BOS 1st swap, 2022 BOS 2nd, 2023 POR 2nd, 2023 HOU/DAL/MIA 2nd,

Commentary: From our perspective, think of it has two firsts and then our three first-round swaps, Smart, Timelord and our three second-round picks for Wiseman, Kuminga and Moody, all of whom are under age 21 and recent lottery picks on cost-controlled rookie contracts. Taking on Turner is to make it happen. From the perspective of GSW, they’re upgrading Wiseman to Sabonis and replacing two recent first-round picks (who are not doing much in their rookie year) with two future first-round picks. Definitely a slight win for them now and probably into the future too. Finally, Indiana gets two solid players and a bunch of swaps/picks, with flexibility to build their frontcourt around Timelord, moving forward.

Our new ten-man rotation the rest of the year:

Pritchard/Mannion
Brown/Richardson
Tatum/Kuminga
Wiseman/G. Williams
Turner/Horford

We would have to hope we can find a PG with our 2022 1st and/or hope Pritchard grows. We’d have this roster in the off-season, assuming we can bring back Horford:

Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Moody/Langford
Tatum/Kuminga/Nesmith
Wiseman/G. Williams/Hernangomez
Turner/Horford

Priority one would be turning our 2022 1st, Hernangomez, Langford and Nesmith into PG depth. Would not be against trading the first with them to get a starting PG if we’re not convinced an great prospect PG will be available in the draft. Ideally the latter happens and we can still turn those three players into a backup PG:

2022 1st PG/Backup PG/Pritchard
Brown/Richardson/Moody
Tatum/Kuminga
Wiseman/G. Williams
Turner/Horford

Add a couple ring-chasing bigs for slots 13-14.