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Re: Not our time?
« Reply #75 on: August 03, 2021, 08:45:48 PM »

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I think your right, Goldstar.

I do think a guy like Bobby Portis could have helped us for 5 million a year.

I am almost convinced we delayed the Thompson trade just so we could say we did not have to use the exception and stay under the tax.  By the time it comes through everyone will be gone and they act it out when I suspect it was by design.

Re: Not our time?
« Reply #76 on: August 03, 2021, 08:52:22 PM »

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I know that I’m in the minority here, but I feel like Brad and ownership are doing the right thing by manipulating the roster and positioning for a third star player next season.  I don’t think there there was a (Realistic) FA out there this offseason that  that would have moved the needle enough.. If sucks having to wait a year for potential “fireworks”, however, I believe that it’s the right play. Especially after witnessing how the Nets dismantled the C’s in the Playoffs.

I have zero issue with that.

What I have issue with is passing up on an Evan Fournier contract that was clearly a moveable contract that they could have traded next summer to free up cap space if Beal (or someone else) decided to join the team.

Signing Evan Fournier would not have stopped Boston from being able to sign Beal. They could have traded Fournier at that price tag and freed up the cash. And they should have.

Re: Not our time?
« Reply #77 on: August 03, 2021, 09:28:59 PM »

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I know that I’m in the minority here, but I feel like Brad and ownership are doing the right thing by manipulating the roster and positioning for a third star player next season.  I don’t think there there was a (Realistic) FA out there this offseason that  that would have moved the needle enough.. If sucks having to wait a year for potential “fireworks”, however, I believe that it’s the right play. Especially after witnessing how the Nets dismantled the C’s in the Playoffs.

I have zero issue with that.

What I have issue with is passing up on an Evan Fournier contract that was clearly a moveable contract that they could have traded next summer to free up cap space if Beal (or someone else) decided to join the team.

Signing Evan Fournier would not have stopped Boston from being able to sign Beal. They could have traded Fournier at that price tag and freed up the cash. And they should have.

But would it have made it more difficult vs signing trading for Richardson, a comparable player who has an expiring contract and is nearly half the cost.
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Re: Not our time?
« Reply #78 on: August 03, 2021, 09:33:30 PM »

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I know that I’m in the minority here, but I feel like Brad and ownership are doing the right thing by manipulating the roster and positioning for a third star player next season.  I don’t think there there was a (Realistic) FA out there this offseason that  that would have moved the needle enough.. If sucks having to wait a year for potential “fireworks”, however, I believe that it’s the right play. Especially after witnessing how the Nets dismantled the C’s in the Playoffs.

I have zero issue with that.

What I have issue with is passing up on an Evan Fournier contract that was clearly a moveable contract that they could have traded next summer to free up cap space if Beal (or someone else) decided to join the team.

Signing Evan Fournier would not have stopped Boston from being able to sign Beal. They could have traded Fournier at that price tag and freed up the cash. And they should have.

But would it have made it more difficult vs signing Richardson, a comparable player who has an expiring contract and is nearly half the cost.
We didn't sign Richardson though, we traded our exception for him. We could have had both Fournier and Richardson, and it would have been super easy to move Fournier either to Washington as part of a S&T, or to dump him to sign Beal outright.
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Re: Not our time?
« Reply #79 on: August 03, 2021, 10:19:05 PM »

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I know that I’m in the minority here, but I feel like Brad and ownership are doing the right thing by manipulating the roster and positioning for a third star player next season.  I don’t think there there was a (Realistic) FA out there this offseason that  that would have moved the needle enough.. If sucks having to wait a year for potential “fireworks”, however, I believe that it’s the right play. Especially after witnessing how the Nets dismantled the C’s in the Playoffs.

I have zero issue with that.

What I have issue with is passing up on an Evan Fournier contract that was clearly a moveable contract that they could have traded next summer to free up cap space if Beal (or someone else) decided to join the team.

Signing Evan Fournier would not have stopped Boston from being able to sign Beal. They could have traded Fournier at that price tag and freed up the cash. And they should have.

But would it have made it more difficult vs signing Richardson, a comparable player who has an expiring contract and is nearly half the cost.
We didn't sign Richardson though, we traded our exception for him. We could have had both Fournier and Richardson, and it would have been super easy to move Fournier either to Washington as part of a S&T, or to dump him to sign Beal outright.

Right, trade. Guess they just didn’t want to sign him at that price point or maybe Fournier preferred being in NY. Either way, why didn’t the C’s sign and trade Fournier to the Knicks to create a new TPE? Was that not an option or was there just no reason for it at this point.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Not our time?
« Reply #80 on: August 03, 2021, 10:27:31 PM »

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I know that I’m in the minority here, but I feel like Brad and ownership are doing the right thing by manipulating the roster and positioning for a third star player next season.  I don’t think there there was a (Realistic) FA out there this offseason that  that would have moved the needle enough.. If sucks having to wait a year for potential “fireworks”, however, I believe that it’s the right play. Especially after witnessing how the Nets dismantled the C’s in the Playoffs.

I have zero issue with that.

What I have issue with is passing up on an Evan Fournier contract that was clearly a moveable contract that they could have traded next summer to free up cap space if Beal (or someone else) decided to join the team.

Signing Evan Fournier would not have stopped Boston from being able to sign Beal. They could have traded Fournier at that price tag and freed up the cash. And they should have.

But would it have made it more difficult vs signing Richardson, a comparable player who has an expiring contract and is nearly half the cost.
We didn't sign Richardson though, we traded our exception for him. We could have had both Fournier and Richardson, and it would have been super easy to move Fournier either to Washington as part of a S&T, or to dump him to sign Beal outright.

Agreed. Fourier and Richardson could've played together. More talent is better.

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« Reply #81 on: August 03, 2021, 10:29:01 PM »

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I know that I’m in the minority here, but I feel like Brad and ownership are doing the right thing by manipulating the roster and positioning for a third star player next season.  I don’t think there there was a (Realistic) FA out there this offseason that  that would have moved the needle enough.. If sucks having to wait a year for potential “fireworks”, however, I believe that it’s the right play. Especially after witnessing how the Nets dismantled the C’s in the Playoffs.

I have zero issue with that.

What I have issue with is passing up on an Evan Fournier contract that was clearly a moveable contract that they could have traded next summer to free up cap space if Beal (or someone else) decided to join the team.

Signing Evan Fournier would not have stopped Boston from being able to sign Beal. They could have traded Fournier at that price tag and freed up the cash. And they should have.

But would it have made it more difficult vs signing Richardson, a comparable player who has an expiring contract and is nearly half the cost.
We didn't sign Richardson though, we traded our exception for him. We could have had both Fournier and Richardson, and it would have been super easy to move Fournier either to Washington as part of a S&T, or to dump him to sign Beal outright.

Right, trade. Guess they just didn’t want to sign him at that price point or maybe Fournier preferred being in NY. Either way, why didn’t the C’s sign and trade Fournier to the Knicks to create a new TPE? Was that not an option or was there just no reason for it at this point.
It takes two to tango. Fournier was FA. Knicks had cap space. Boston needs to give NYK something of value (like a pick) to do the Cs a solid to do a S&T. Cs right now are spending anything (money not trading picks).