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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #75 on: July 24, 2018, 03:24:08 AM »

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So our next move is to dump Morris and sign Bird? That'll get us right under the tax line I think, but we'll have 1 open roster spot. Can we get an extra player in buyout season without going over the tax line in this case?
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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #76 on: July 24, 2018, 03:35:57 AM »

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How does dumping Yabusele get the celts under the tax?  I’m seeing a salary of about 2.6 mil which doesn’t seem to be enough.

You may not have removed ALL of Nader's salary.

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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #77 on: July 24, 2018, 03:37:01 AM »

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rather stretch Nader and trade Yabusele for cap space

Pretty sure that this does not get C's under the luxury tax threshold. 

Didn't realize that thanks!

Interesting that Nader was just traded in a salary dump. Wonder what's next!  :D
I am guessing what is next is not good news for Yabusele Celtic fans.

Does getting rid of Yabu's salary move them under the tax threshold?
I believe it does.

Yes, but not by much.  The Celtics aren’t going to go until the buyout season with only 13 players, so expect Yabu to stay until February at least.

And expect to see plenty of Rozier, Wannamaker, Morris, Yabusele, Theis lineups before then too..
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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #78 on: July 24, 2018, 03:46:51 AM »

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So our next move is to dump Morris and sign Bird? That'll get us right under the tax line I think, but we'll have 1 open roster spot. Can we get an extra player in buyout season without going over the tax line in this case?

You don't just "dump" Morris... he has value.

Also, I think it is probably equally likely, if not moreso, that C's look to trade Rozier (if they do make a trade to get under the line). Whatever happens, the trade will be for a shooter.. Not sure how many aging shooters there are lying around who would accept the vet min. Vince Carter???? Joe Johnson?
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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #79 on: July 24, 2018, 05:51:32 AM »

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rather stretch Nader and trade Yabusele for cap space

Pretty sure that this does not get C's under the luxury tax threshold. 

Didn't realize that thanks!

Interesting that Nader was just traded in a salary dump. Wonder what's next!  :D
I am guessing what is next is not good news for Yabusele Celtic fans.

Does getting rid of Yabu's salary move them under the tax threshold?
I believe it does.

Yes, but not by much.  The Celtics aren’t going to go until the buyout season with only 13 players, so expect Yabu to stay until February at least.

Maybe we dump Yabu for (at worst) a protected 2nd and then sign Bird to a vet min for 14 players?
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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #80 on: July 24, 2018, 06:52:38 AM »

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rather stretch Nader and trade Yabusele for cap space

Pretty sure that this does not get C's under the luxury tax threshold. 

Didn't realize that thanks!

Interesting that Nader was just traded in a salary dump. Wonder what's next!  :D
I am guessing what is next is not good news for Yabusele Celtic fans.

Does getting rid of Yabu's salary move them under the tax threshold?
I believe it does.

Yes, but not by much.  The Celtics aren’t going to go until the buyout season with only 13 players, so expect Yabu to stay until February at least.

Maybe we dump Yabu for (at worst) a protected 2nd and then sign Bird to a vet min for 14 players?

We either sign Bird now, which means the Celtics still aren’t worried about the tax, or we go to 14 players and dump Yabu at the trade deadline and then sign someone at the buyout period, meaning we’re going with 13 players only for about a week post the ASB, and then sign another player or convert someone from a 2-way the last days of the season to head to the playoffs with 15.

Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #81 on: July 24, 2018, 07:33:04 AM »

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Morris could start on teams.
We need to get under the tax.
Other teams know this.
We lose some leverage.
Let's hope some combination of wing needy teams drive his price up to a decent 2nd rounder.
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« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2018, 07:54:52 AM »

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Morris could start on teams.
We need to get under the tax.
Other teams know this.
We lose some leverage.
Let's hope some combination of wing needy teams drive his price up to a decent 2nd rounder.

From what I understand, Portland is trying to win now and has a trade exception (exemption?) and it seems like Morris would be their best forward.

If we’re looking to deal Morris for value, either a pick or a guard, Portland is a logical starting point.
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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2018, 08:13:07 AM »

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Morris to Denver for Tyler Lydon.  We get an okayish prospect and get under the tax with enough room to sign someone for the minimum.  Denver gets their primary backup for the 3/4 and stays under the tax.
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Re: Marcus Morris: better to trade or stretch?
« Reply #84 on: July 24, 2018, 09:49:53 AM »

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rather stretch Nader and trade Yabusele for cap space



Pretty sure that this does not get C's under the luxury tax threshold. 

Didn't realize that thanks!

Interesting that Nader was just traded in a salary dump. Wonder what's next!  :D
I am guessing what is next is not good news for Yabusele Celtic fans.

Does getting rid of Yabu's salary move them under the tax threshold?
I believe it does.

Yes, but not by much.  The Celtics aren’t going to go until the buyout season with only 13 players, so expect Yabu to stay until February at least.

Maybe we dump Yabu for (at worst) a protected 2nd and then sign Bird to a vet min for 14 players?

We either sign Bird now, which means the Celtics still aren’t worried about the tax, or we go to 14 players and dump Yabu at the trade deadline and then sign someone at the buyout period, meaning we’re going with 13 players only for about a week post the ASB, and then sign another player or convert someone from a 2-way the last days of the season to head to the playoffs with 15.



Salty - once season starts don't all teams need to have at least 14 players under contract at all times?

Bloggers are suggesting that C's could trade Yabu for a draft pick, thus taking no money back, and thus getting team under tax line, but that would leave them with only 13 players.  Once they sign the 14th player (that they are required to??), that puts them over the tax line again.

I am not saying whether C's should care about lux tax this year or not, BUT if they are, I am pretty sure trading Yabu and replacing that slot with someone does not get team under tax line.

Remember everyone:  even though most salary sites list Wannamaker's salary as 838,464 (and that is his salary), for tax calculations he counts at the 2yr vet minimum of 1,512,601 - because he was not drafted.

edit: this link from dangercart over on reddit:

https://www.reddit.com/r/bostonceltics/comments/91haa4/the_celtics_will_be_25m_over_the_tax_line_not/
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