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Re: Rozier playing surprisingly well
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2019, 06:32:28 PM »

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I think he's playing about exactly as well as I thought he'd play.  I've watched him play a couple times so far.  Stats aside, my eyeball test has him playing somewhat similar to how he was in '18 playoffs.  He's not an all-star; he's a below-average but solid starter. 

I think Terry was dealt a crappy situation here and didn't handle it well at all.  But I can understand Terry, I like Terry, and I hope he continues to improve his game.
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Re: Rozier playing surprisingly well
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2019, 07:33:03 PM »

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Rozier has always been what he was since that playoff run: a solid to above average starter with some very special lead guard characteristics. Just because a two faced saboteur ****ed his rhythm up last season doesn't mean that he was a bad player. Btw pure plus minus is one of the worst impact metrics you can find, APM/RAPM/PIPM/BPM (the last one is a mix of both box and impact metrics) are much better alternatives. It's amusing to still see people flying in to take bullets intemded for Kyrie lol.
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Re: Rozier playing surprisingly well
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2019, 07:38:42 PM »

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Rozier has always been what he was since that playoff run: a solid to above average starter with some very special lead guard characteristics. Just because a two faced saboteur ****ed his rhythm up last season doesn't mean that he was a bad player. Btw pure plus minus is one of the worst impact metrics you can find, APM/RAPM/PIPM/BPM (the last one is a mix of both box and impact metrics) are much better alternatives. It's amusing to still see people flying in to take bullets intemded for Kyrie lol.
His BPM is still negative :)
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« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2019, 07:48:55 PM »

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Rozier has always been what he was since that playoff run: a solid to above average starter with some very special lead guard characteristics. Just because a two faced saboteur ****ed his rhythm up last season doesn't mean that he was a bad player. Btw pure plus minus is one of the worst impact metrics you can find, APM/RAPM/PIPM/BPM (the last one is a mix of both box and impact metrics) are much better alternatives. It's amusing to still see people flying in to take bullets intemded for Kyrie lol.
His BPM is still negative :)
On a small sample size :), Rozier will probably stabilise and improve in these metrics as time goes by.
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« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2019, 07:50:28 PM »

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Rozier has always been what he was since that playoff run: a solid to above average starter with some very special lead guard characteristics. Just because a two faced saboteur ****ed his rhythm up last season doesn't mean that he was a bad player. Btw pure plus minus is one of the worst impact metrics you can find, APM/RAPM/PIPM/BPM (the last one is a mix of both box and impact metrics) are much better alternatives. It's amusing to still see people flying in to take bullets intemded for Kyrie lol.
His BPM is still negative :)
On a small sample size :), Rozier will probably stabilise and improve in these metrics as time goes by.
I'd be surprised, mainly because I have no faith in Rozier to do anything "stable", and he's been a negative BPM guy for the majority of his career
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2019, 07:50:46 PM »

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Appreciate the thoughts friends, seems I didn’t dig deep enough into his advanced stats. Just saw the efficiency seemed a bit higher and crowning stats plus record looked good. Rozier was so bad last year and I had such high hopes for him going into the season. I wouldn’t be upset to see him a decent year and make the hornets a little less embarrassing.

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« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2019, 07:53:04 PM »

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Rozier has always been what he was since that playoff run: a solid to above average starter with some very special lead guard characteristics. Just because a two faced saboteur ****ed his rhythm up last season doesn't mean that he was a bad player. Btw pure plus minus is one of the worst impact metrics you can find, APM/RAPM/PIPM/BPM (the last one is a mix of both box and impact metrics) are much better alternatives. It's amusing to still see people flying in to take bullets intemded for Kyrie lol.
His BPM is still negative :)
On a small sample size :), Rozier will probably stabilise and improve in these metrics as time goes by.
I'd be surprised, mainly because I have no faith in Rozier to do anything "stable", and he's been a negative BPM guy for the majority of his career
I wouldn't be due to his playoff run with us, I still believe that it's more indicative of his quality than his RS performances with us.
 
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2019, 01:32:37 AM »

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Rozier is playing good, but not for the price that  MJ paid for. Devonte Graham has been outplaying Rozier for only 1 million rookie contract. I wouldn't be surprised if he lose his starting spot to Graham at some point.

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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2019, 01:35:53 AM »

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Rozier is playing good, but not for the price that  MJ paid for. Devonte Graham has been outplaying Rozier for only 1 million rookie contract. I wouldn't be surprised if he lose his starting spot to Graham at some point.

Rozier is a little overpaid, but the good news is Rozier's contract is only for 3 years, not 4 or 5.

So for a franchise like the Hornets, it was better than doing nothing after Kemba left.

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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2019, 02:16:01 AM »

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Rozier is playing good, but not for the price that  MJ paid for. Devonte Graham has been outplaying Rozier for only 1 million rookie contract. I wouldn't be surprised if he lose his starting spot to Graham at some point.
And a guy like Graham might get maxed with how crazy he's been playing. Charlotte has also been playing a lot of two guard lineups with success, so Graham and Rozier can coexist imo.
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2019, 06:45:31 AM »

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To put his great play in perspective, Terry still has below league average true shooting.
In the restricted area, he is 52,7% for his career, this year an even more somber 48%.

I wish him well though.
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« Reply #26 on: November 06, 2019, 02:58:39 PM »

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Rozier is playing good, but not for the price that  MJ paid for. Devonte Graham has been outplaying Rozier for only 1 million rookie contract. I wouldn't be surprised if he lose his starting spot to Graham at some point.

Rozier is a little overpaid, but the good news is Rozier's contract is only for 3 years, not 4 or 5.

So for a franchise like the Hornets, it was better than doing nothing after Kemba left.
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« Reply #27 on: November 06, 2019, 03:09:34 PM »

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IMO

Devonte Graham's better overall than Rozier. A better passer and point guard too.

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« Reply #28 on: November 06, 2019, 03:22:58 PM »

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too much of a hotdog and not much of a team leader from my perspective when he was a Celtic .  I doubt he changed over night
Kyrie could not change his vises.

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« Reply #29 on: November 06, 2019, 04:35:25 PM »

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too much of a hotdog and not much of a team leader from my perspective when he was a Celtic .  I doubt he changed over night
Kyrie could not change his vises.
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