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Re: Posting unfounded NBA records.
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2009, 10:18:28 PM »

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No. The 1971-72 Lakers set that record for the entire season.  +12.3

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« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2009, 10:20:16 PM »

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Re: Posting unfounded NBA records.
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2009, 10:20:38 PM »

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No. The 1971-72 Lakers set that record for the entire season.  +12.3

So why compare a season long record to 10 games?

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« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2009, 10:22:05 PM »

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So if the 02-03 Mavs were +14.2 after 10 games, and the 09-10 Celtics were +14.12 after 9 games, obviously it was still possible at the 9:17 mark of the 4th 11/13 against the Hawks to have a better +, then the 02-03 Mavs.  They were down 78-72, so they would have to have won by 15 to have a higher + after 10 games then the 02-03 Mavs.  They needed to outscore the Hawks by 21 in the final 9:17.   Not probably, but definitely not impossible.

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« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2009, 10:23:20 PM »

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No. The 1971-72 Lakers set that record for the entire season.  +12.3

So why compare a season long record to 10 games?

Because at first you have to have a higher + then the best team over 82 games to be considered a record after 10 games.   Once you see that +14.12 is higher than +12.3, there is a chance to have the record.

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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2009, 10:23:39 PM »

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So if the 02-03 Mavs were +14.2 after 10 games, and the 09-10 Celtics were +14.12 after 9 games, obviously it was still possible at the 9:17 mark of the 4th 11/13 against the Hawks to have a better +, then the 02-03 Mavs.  They were down 78-72, so they would have to have won by 15 to have a higher + after 10 games then the 02-03 Mavs.  They needed to outscore the Hawks by 21 in the final 9:17.   Not probably, but definitely not impossible.

See above.  The '96 Bulls were +19.8.  I have no idea if that's the NBA record, but it's a heck of a lot better than the imaginary record you were posting.

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« Reply #36 on: November 15, 2009, 10:24:17 PM »

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Wow that 02-03 Mavs team was pretty good, they started 14-0, so I don't see how the record is that much higher than +14.2 after 10 games.

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« Reply #37 on: November 15, 2009, 10:25:34 PM »

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No. The 1971-72 Lakers set that record for the entire season.  +12.3

So why compare a season long record to 10 games?

Because at first you have to have a higher + then the best team over 82 games to be considered a record after 10 games.   Once you see that +14.12 is higher than +12.3, there is a chance to have the record.

See Post below. It is exactly what you are doing.

I am unsure what the highest point differential is after 10 games.  However they recently posted a similiar stat about the Celtics and they were very close a few games ago to being at the top.  

This is the record for a season 1971-72 Lakers (+12.3 ppg)., so if the Celtics were +14.12 after 9 games, they had to have a chance to break the record after the first 10 games of the season.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but what you're saying is kind like saying "The Celtics are 10-0. If they win the next 72 games they will be 82-0, and have the best regular season record of all time."

I mean that's true, but for it mean anything the sample size needs to be considerably larger to be taken seriously, right?


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« Reply #38 on: November 15, 2009, 10:28:12 PM »

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1997-98 Lakers:  +15.7.  Still not as good as the Bulls, but better than the imaginary record the Celtics were chasing.

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Feel free to check my math on these, but it's pretty clear that a lot of teams have beaten the so-called record.

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« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2009, 10:29:22 PM »

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Yes the 1996-97 Bulls were +19.8 after 10 games, that is correct.

See that helps me out becuase I didn't know that. I'm sure the Celtics still could have been in the Top 10 or 5, not that that matters and I see where you are coming from.

Now the 10 fouls in a row in 5:38, that is another matter.

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« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2009, 10:32:07 PM »

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I agree, I'm not questioning that,  I was wrong on that and I admit that I was.  But I needed help from others to realize that.  I couldn't find that answer out myself which is why I posted.

Now if you could show me a worse string of foul calls than 10 consecutive in 5:38 I will be wrong on just about everything I posted.     But the foul rate of 108 to 1, and 165 to 1, is correct because I checked those numbers myself.

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« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2009, 10:37:02 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2009, 10:40:25 PM »

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Ok so now before the Cavs 69th game of the 2008-09 season they were 31-1 at home, with a realistic chance at going 40-1.  I took LeBron's next 10 games, although 3 of them were on the road, and he got called for 6 fouls in 10 games.  

So with the Celtics on the verge of going 9-1, they got called for 10 fouls in 5:38 on 19 total game possesions

With the Cavs having a possiblity of going 40-1 at home, LeBron got called for 6 fouls in 360:00 in about 1,786 total game possesions when he was in the ball game( I will admit I esimated this number by taking the first number of 178 total game posessions in the first game and multiplying by 10, but I don't see how the 1,786 is that far off from the exact number)

It is a rate of 108 to 1 if you go by time or 165 to 1 if you go by posessions.

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« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2009, 10:41:34 PM »

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« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2009, 10:43:38 PM »

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Roy & Co, don't run away now because you proved me wrong on 1 of the 2 records, and then think I don't know what I'm talking about on anything.

I am still looking for a verification on the 10 fouls in 5:38 being a record.