Tatum and Brown appreciation thread

[Moranis]

Those guys also had won the MVP before 26 or during 26 year in case of Curry. They are a different class of player than Tatum. Comparing Tatum to them isnt fair to Tatum, who may not even be a top 5 player talent wise now or any point in his career.  Tatum is a great player, but he isn't an all time great player. The window to win for him is much smaller than the all time greats.

How is this relevant to appreciating JB or JT?

We should appreciate them for what they are and not put unrealistic expectations on them.  This team has vastly exceeded its talent every year, yet we keep seeing people say they are underachieving. That is nonsense. The team has overachieved basically every year.

JT was All-NBA first last year. JB was All-NBA second. They also have TWO All-Defense players in White and Holiday. KP is an elite big. Horford is proven.

There’s a reason they have been the favorites (betting and analytically) for like 3 seasons now. Were they favored over GSW in 2022? Yes.were they favored against Miami last year? Of course. And they’ve been the (sometimes overwhelming) favorites since the preseason this season.

it's a HUGE stretch to say we overachieved as a #2 seed losing to an 8th seed play in team.

Yeah, last season was an underachievement any way you spin it.

or maybe they should have lost to the MVP, with a better #2, a better #3, and a comparable #4 before ever even reaching that series.

Who was a lower seed and that the Celtics had beaten 3 out of 4 times during the regular season?

C'mon.....

Did I say anything inaccurate?

Yep.  Brown > Harden or Maxey.

And, we underachieved against Philly, despite winning the series.  We had multiple blown leads, and lost Game 1 at home despite Embiid being out.

Harden was placed at 11 by espn in their annual rankings last year, Brown was 22.  Harden then led the league in apg at 10.7 while adding 6.1 rpg and 21 ppg with a 60.7 TS% (even added 1.2 spg). He did only play in 58 games and obviously Brown was a better defender.  Harden was still better than Brown last year, though the gap was closing and Brown did pass him up this year.


 

[green_bballers13]

Those guys also had won the MVP before 26 or during 26 year in case of Curry. They are a different class of player than Tatum. Comparing Tatum to them isnt fair to Tatum, who may not even be a top 5 player talent wise now or any point in his career.  Tatum is a great player, but he isn't an all time great player. The window to win for him is much smaller than the all time greats.

How is this relevant to appreciating JB or JT?

We should appreciate them for what they are and not put unrealistic expectations on them.  This team has vastly exceeded its talent every year, yet we keep seeing people say they are underachieving. That is nonsense. The team has overachieved basically every year.

JT was All-NBA first last year. JB was All-NBA second. They also have TWO All-Defense players in White and Holiday. KP is an elite big. Horford is proven.

There’s a reason they have been the favorites (betting and analytically) for like 3 seasons now. Were they favored over GSW in 2022? Yes.were they favored against Miami last year? Of course. And they’ve been the (sometimes overwhelming) favorites since the preseason this season.

it's a HUGE stretch to say we overachieved as a #2 seed losing to an 8th seed play in team.

Yeah, last season was an underachievement any way you spin it.

or maybe they should have lost to the MVP, with a better #2, a better #3, and a comparable #4 before ever even reaching that series.

Who was a lower seed and that the Celtics had beaten 3 out of 4 times during the regular season?

C'mon.....

Did I say anything inaccurate?

You have said many inaccurate things. My favorite is that JB doesn’t contribute to winning.

[blink]

Those guys also had won the MVP before 26 or during 26 year in case of Curry. They are a different class of player than Tatum. Comparing Tatum to them isnt fair to Tatum, who may not even be a top 5 player talent wise now or any point in his career.  Tatum is a great player, but he isn't an all time great player. The window to win for him is much smaller than the all time greats.

How is this relevant to appreciating JB or JT?

We should appreciate them for what they are and not put unrealistic expectations on them.  This team has vastly exceeded its talent every year, yet we keep seeing people say they are underachieving. That is nonsense. The team has overachieved basically every year.

JT was All-NBA first last year. JB was All-NBA second. They also have TWO All-Defense players in White and Holiday. KP is an elite big. Horford is proven.

There’s a reason they have been the favorites (betting and analytically) for like 3 seasons now. Were they favored over GSW in 2022? Yes.were they favored against Miami last year? Of course. And they’ve been the (sometimes overwhelming) favorites since the preseason this season.

it's a HUGE stretch to say we overachieved as a #2 seed losing to an 8th seed play in team.

Yeah, last season was an underachievement any way you spin it.

or maybe they should have lost to the MVP, with a better #2, a better #3, and a comparable #4 before ever even reaching that series.

Who was a lower seed and that the Celtics had beaten 3 out of 4 times during the regular season?

C'mon.....

Did I say anything inaccurate?

You have said many inaccurate things. My favorite is that JB doesn’t contribute to winning.

+1 he has said that about 1,000,000 times and it still isn't accurate.

Can this thread be locked and then reopened with only positive comments somehow? 

Brown and Tatum are great players, they are good guys who really are everything we could want for leaders on and off the court.
Both have improved as basketball players every year.   We don't know what their limit is yet because they haven't maxed out yet.
We are seeing the improvement before our very eyes in this playoff run.   Keep both guys around.


They don't need to be broken up if they don't win the title this year.   

[tonydelk]

Those guys also had won the MVP before 26 or during 26 year in case of Curry. They are a different class of player than Tatum. Comparing Tatum to them isnt fair to Tatum, who may not even be a top 5 player talent wise now or any point in his career.  Tatum is a great player, but he isn't an all time great player. The window to win for him is much smaller than the all time greats.

How is this relevant to appreciating JB or JT?

We should appreciate them for what they are and not put unrealistic expectations on them.  This team has vastly exceeded its talent every year, yet we keep seeing people say they are underachieving. That is nonsense. The team has overachieved basically every year.

JT was All-NBA first last year. JB was All-NBA second. They also have TWO All-Defense players in White and Holiday. KP is an elite big. Horford is proven.

There’s a reason they have been the favorites (betting and analytically) for like 3 seasons now. Were they favored over GSW in 2022? Yes.were they favored against Miami last year? Of course. And they’ve been the (sometimes overwhelming) favorites since the preseason this season.

it's a HUGE stretch to say we overachieved as a #2 seed losing to an 8th seed play in team.

Yeah, last season was an underachievement any way you spin it.

or maybe they should have lost to the MVP, with a better #2, a better #3, and a comparable #4 before ever even reaching that series.

Who was a lower seed and that the Celtics had beaten 3 out of 4 times during the regular season?

C'mon.....

Did I say anything inaccurate?

You have said many inaccurate things. My favorite is that JB doesn’t contribute to winning.

+1 he has said that about 1,000,000 times and it still isn't accurate.

Can this thread be locked and then reopened with only positive comments somehow? 

Brown and Tatum are great players, they are good guys who really are everything we could want for leaders on and off the court.
Both have improved as basketball players every year.   We don't know what their limit is yet because they haven't maxed out yet.
We are seeing the improvement before our very eyes in this playoff run.   Keep both guys around.


They don't need to be broken up if they don't win the title this year.

The only issue is we don't have porzingas.  With zinger this team is head and shoulders above the league. There is no one you can trade Brown for that would be a better player.  It's laughable the negatively these two get.

[mobilija]

Those guys also had won the MVP before 26 or during 26 year in case of Curry. They are a different class of player than Tatum. Comparing Tatum to them isnt fair to Tatum, who may not even be a top 5 player talent wise now or any point in his career.  Tatum is a great player, but he isn't an all time great player. The window to win for him is much smaller than the all time greats.

How is this relevant to appreciating JB or JT?

We should appreciate them for what they are and not put unrealistic expectations on them.  This team has vastly exceeded its talent every year, yet we keep seeing people say they are underachieving. That is nonsense. The team has overachieved basically every year.

This is one of the most Moranic things u have ever said. The team has pretty consistently achieved the Conference final for the last 8 years. A bad injury blip in there and a finals blip. At what point is what they consistently achieve actually what they are? I see no overachieving or underachieving. They are consistently one of the top two team in the east. Thank you Tatum and Brown, I believe you can guide this current iteration of your team to the top. Certainty within the realm of possibilities based on their level of achievement.

[kraidstar]

I love how Brown forced the key turnover against Siakam and then Tatum smothered Haliburton on tge last possession.  Great players don't just step it up by making shots. They make plays.

[Neurotic Guy]

Idk if this has been said (sorry if I missed it), but I place the sequence of Brown forcing the turnover and then 3 seconds later hitting the three to tie as equal to Bird stealing the ball and passing to DJ in terms of clutch playmaking. The stakes in G5 v. the Pistons was higher but the fact that this was G1 in the ECF makes it pretty high stakes. If this was against an opponent with more gravitas we’d be looking at the sequence through more of a historical lens. It’s disrespect for Indy that mitigates the greatness of that sequence.

[Moranis]

Those guys also had won the MVP before 26 or during 26 year in case of Curry. They are a different class of player than Tatum. Comparing Tatum to them isnt fair to Tatum, who may not even be a top 5 player talent wise now or any point in his career.  Tatum is a great player, but he isn't an all time great player. The window to win for him is much smaller than the all time greats.

How is this relevant to appreciating JB or JT?

We should appreciate them for what they are and not put unrealistic expectations on them.  This team has vastly exceeded its talent every year, yet we keep seeing people say they are underachieving. That is nonsense. The team has overachieved basically every year.

JT was All-NBA first last year. JB was All-NBA second. They also have TWO All-Defense players in White and Holiday. KP is an elite big. Horford is proven.

There’s a reason they have been the favorites (betting and analytically) for like 3 seasons now. Were they favored over GSW in 2022? Yes.were they favored against Miami last year? Of course. And they’ve been the (sometimes overwhelming) favorites since the preseason this season.

it's a HUGE stretch to say we overachieved as a #2 seed losing to an 8th seed play in team.

Yeah, last season was an underachievement any way you spin it.

or maybe they should have lost to the MVP, with a better #2, a better #3, and a comparable #4 before ever even reaching that series.

Who was a lower seed and that the Celtics had beaten 3 out of 4 times during the regular season?

C'mon.....

Did I say anything inaccurate?

You have said many inaccurate things. My favorite is that JB doesn’t contribute to winning.

-17.7 on/off differential per 100 possessions.