David Aldridge: "C's wont trade Ray Allen"

[Scalablob990]

I begin to worry when the team says they're going to get back on the right track and they start off with a 3 pt win over sacramento  . I can't really say anything about the team until the playoffs start. Only then will we see who was right or wrong about the season.

[snively]

Either ownership is adamantly opposed to adding more salary or the C's brain trust is confident that the team's recent non-injury problems are primarily mental.

[KG Living Legend]

 "C's Won't trade Ray"  Yeah.. Right...  Dealing Danny trying to make somebody think they do really need Ray. Hope it works.

[Who]

Do you resign Ray Allen this offseason?

Or do you begin looking for younger players who fit more of a need down the road?

[PosImpos]

Well then we can give up hope for this season then.  Rebuilding process going to be interesting.

give me a break...

If the best team in the league didn't just get significantly better I would agree that it's silly to come to such a hasty conclusion.  But unless KG, Ray, and Pierce suddenly start playing like they're 3 years younger than they currently are, the Celtics won't have a real shot at beating CLE in the ECF.  Heck, unless the team starts playing like they're better than an average team, they'll have a tough time getting out of the first round.

I'm just extremely skeptical, given how this team has played for the vast majority of this season, that there's any realistic hope for success this season without a big upgrade.

For the vast majority of this season? Right, I see what the problem is here... it's all in the math, you have trouble with your additions and subtractions. It's like the first 30 games or so haven't counted. Also, the last month or so we've been playing with an incomplete roster, or haven't you noticed? So that suddenly is the undeniable representation of what this team is about? Please.

Of course we're not where we want to be at the moment, but give me a break. I swear, people love drawing up conclusions based on flawed logic, premises, and inaccurate facts.

The first 30 games weren't even that impressive.  They were very good for some of those games, and not so impressive in many others.  We're all looking back on the start of this season as if it was the second coming of '08, but it really wasn't.  The same issues were there, they were just less pronounced because KG was relatively healthy and so was Paul.

[jambr380]

Do you resign Ray Allen this offseason?

Or do you begin looking for younger players who fit more of a need down the road?

This will be talked about numerous times in the coming months if we keep Ray, but is Mike Miller really better than an aging Ray Allen. As much as I kind of like Miller, I just don't think so.

[rondohondo]

Do you resign Ray Allen this offseason?

Or do you begin looking for younger players who fit more of a need down the road?

What kind of package could a resigned Ray (1 or 2 yrs , 7 mil per) and perk get us around draft time?

We might be able to get something good?

[PosImpos]

ownership is adamantly opposed to adding more salary

that's what it is, I have no doubt.

can you blame them?  our key player - you know, the one who got us a championship - is basically playing on one knee.

[celticinorlando]

Do you resign Ray Allen this offseason?

Or do you begin looking for younger players who fit more of a need down the road?

start looking to get younger...i offer ray no more than 1 year deal on the cheap...which ray prolly won't take. he will prolly get more on the open market and can be used as a 6th man somewhere. but there is no way i offer ray a multi-year deal in the summer. his game is quickly fading and boston has to think about the future

i dont even have a clue who they go after b/c they are going to have to fill upwards of 7 roster spots

[PosImpos]

Do you resign Ray Allen this offseason?

Or do you begin looking for younger players who fit more of a need down the road?

start looking to get younger...i offer ray no more than 1 year deal on the cheap...which ray prolly won't take. he will prolly get more on the open market and can be used as a 6th man somewhere. but there is no way i offer ray a multi-year deal in the summer. his game is quickly fading and boston has to think about the future

i dont even have a clue who they go after b/c they are going to have to fill upwards of 7 roster spots

I don't think there's anybody good and young they could add with the MLE this summer.  Probably better to offer Ray a 1 or 2 year deal (so he expires at the same time as Paul / KG) and then just reload the bench with vet minimum players.

If we're not going to try to win this season (as seems to be the case, realistically), then we should look to jettison all long term salary and set the team up to have tons of cap space after the Big 3 expire / retire.  Then we hope to make some big trades either for future pieces or high draft picks, and rebuild that way, while being well under the cap.

[Who]

Do you resign Ray Allen this offseason?

Or do you begin looking for younger players who fit more of a need down the road?

start looking to get younger...i offer ray no more than 1 year deal on the cheap...which ray prolly won't take. he will prolly get more on the open market and can be used as a 6th man somewhere. but there is no way i offer ray a multi-year deal in the summer. his game is quickly fading and boston has to think about the future

i dont even have a clue who they go after b/c they are going to have to fill upwards of 7 roster spots

I don't think there's anybody good and young they could add with the MLE this summer.  Probably better to offer Ray a 1 or 2 year deal (so he expires at the same time as Paul / KG) and then just reload the bench with vet minimum players.

If we're not going to try to win this season (as seems to be the case, realistically), then we should look to jettison all long term salary and set the team up to have tons of cap space after the Big 3 expire / retire.  Then we hope to either make some big trades for future pieces, or high draft picks and rebuild that way, while being well under the cap.

(1) Tyrus Thomas

(2) Anthony Morrow

[BudweiserCeltic]

Well then we can give up hope for this season then.  Rebuilding process going to be interesting.

give me a break...

If the best team in the league didn't just get significantly better I would agree that it's silly to come to such a hasty conclusion.  But unless KG, Ray, and Pierce suddenly start playing like they're 3 years younger than they currently are, the Celtics won't have a real shot at beating CLE in the ECF.  Heck, unless the team starts playing like they're better than an average team, they'll have a tough time getting out of the first round.

I'm just extremely skeptical, given how this team has played for the vast majority of this season, that there's any realistic hope for success this season without a big upgrade.

For the vast majority of this season? Right, I see what the problem is here... it's all in the math, you have trouble with your additions and subtractions. It's like the first 30 games or so haven't counted. Also, the last month or so we've been playing with an incomplete roster, or haven't you noticed? So that suddenly is the undeniable representation of what this team is about? Please.

Of course we're not where we want to be at the moment, but give me a break. I swear, people love drawing up conclusions based on flawed logic, premises, and inaccurate facts.

The first 30 games weren't even that impressive.  They were very good for some of those games, and not so impressive in many others.  We're all looking back on the start of this season as if it was the second coming of '08, but it really wasn't.  The same issues were there, they were just less pronounced because KG was relatively healthy and so was Paul.

Ah, so a team playing with Paul and KG who recently came back from injuries is the are the correct representation of our team?

And it's not that we weren't that impressive. It's that you're missing out on many of the key factors. Firstly, during that portion we also didn't have our complete team, though the main pieces were there. During our tough stretch, which was during the time two of our main guys got injured, some players started stepping up and have continued to do so since.

Tony Allen was a non-factor at the beginning of the season, now he's playing quite well. Rasheed Wallace has just come off his best month with the Celtics, and his last couple of games have been great. Daniels missed a great portion too, and he's just returned has has been very good for us. Davis also missed a good portion, and little by little he's getting into rhythm. And now Nate, who I think is an absolute upgrade of House has been added. So what we have here is a complete functioning bench. Though certainly, we don't know how they'll look now.

As all know, our current problem is with our starters, but surprise surprise I want to point out that Pierce and KG just recently returned from injury and a case can be made that they haven't fully healed from those injuries yet. So is it so hard to imagine that they can return to the level they were at the least playing earlier in the season? I don't see why that's so inconceivable. And now Ray is playing like crap, but he's also nursing some injuries of his own... but na', let's ignore those. And remember during that span, we've seen the emergence of Rondo as great contributor to this team.

It's all about getting into rhythm and putting the correct effort, and all should be well. So suddenly we have a fully functioning starting 5, like we had earlier in the year for the most part, with a bench that's hitting it at all cylinders at the moment. Not much more you can ask for.

Will it be enough to get us the championship? Who knows, but we [dang] well have a very good chance to get it. We still have 2 months or so to go before the playoffs start, a lot can happen from here and there.

[celticinorlando]

Do you resign Ray Allen this offseason?

Or do you begin looking for younger players who fit more of a need down the road?

start looking to get younger...i offer ray no more than 1 year deal on the cheap...which ray prolly won't take. he will prolly get more on the open market and can be used as a 6th man somewhere. but there is no way i offer ray a multi-year deal in the summer. his game is quickly fading and boston has to think about the future

i dont even have a clue who they go after b/c they are going to have to fill upwards of 7 roster spots

I don't think there's anybody good and young they could add with the MLE this summer.  Probably better to offer Ray a 1 or 2 year deal (so he expires at the same time as Paul / KG) and then just reload the bench with vet minimum players.

If we're not going to try to win this season (as seems to be the case, realistically), then we should look to jettison all long term salary and set the team up to have tons of cap space after the Big 3 expire / retire.  Then we hope to make some big trades either for future pieces or high draft picks, and rebuild that way, while being well under the cap.

i don't think the big 3 have 2-3 good more years honestly

[PosImpos]

Well then we can give up hope for this season then.  Rebuilding process going to be interesting.

give me a break...

If the best team in the league didn't just get significantly better I would agree that it's silly to come to such a hasty conclusion.  But unless KG, Ray, and Pierce suddenly start playing like they're 3 years younger than they currently are, the Celtics won't have a real shot at beating CLE in the ECF.  Heck, unless the team starts playing like they're better than an average team, they'll have a tough time getting out of the first round.

I'm just extremely skeptical, given how this team has played for the vast majority of this season, that there's any realistic hope for success this season without a big upgrade.

For the vast majority of this season? Right, I see what the problem is here... it's all in the math, you have trouble with your additions and subtractions. It's like the first 30 games or so haven't counted. Also, the last month or so we've been playing with an incomplete roster, or haven't you noticed? So that suddenly is the undeniable representation of what this team is about? Please.

Of course we're not where we want to be at the moment, but give me a break. I swear, people love drawing up conclusions based on flawed logic, premises, and inaccurate facts.

The first 30 games weren't even that impressive.  They were very good for some of those games, and not so impressive in many others.  We're all looking back on the start of this season as if it was the second coming of '08, but it really wasn't.  The same issues were there, they were just less pronounced because KG was relatively healthy and so was Paul.

Ah, so a team playing with Paul and KG who recently came back from injuries is the are the correct representation of our team?

And it's not that we weren't that impressive. It's that you're missing out on many of the key factors. Firstly, during that portion we also didn't have our complete team, though the main pieces were there. During our tough stretch, which was during the time two of our main guys got injured, some players started stepping up and have continued to do so since.

Tony Allen was a non-factor at the beginning of the season, now he's playing quite well. Rasheed Wallace has just come off his best month with the Celtics, and his last couple of games have been great. Daniels missed a great portion too, and he's just returned has has been very good for us. Davis also missed a good portion, and little by little he's getting into rhythm. And now Nate, who I think is an absolute upgrade of House has been added. So what we have here is a complete functioning bench. Though certainly, we don't know how they'll look now.

As all know, our current problem is with our starters, but surprise surprise I want to point out that Pierce and KG just recently returned from injury and a case can be made that they haven't fully healed from those injuries yet. So is it so hard to imagine that they can return to the level they were at the least playing earlier in the season? I don't see why that's so inconceivable. And now Ray is playing like crap, but he's also nursing some injuries of his own... but na', let's ignore those. And remember during that span, we've seen the emergence of Rondo as great contributor to this team.

It's all about getting into rhythm and putting the correct effort, and all should be well. So suddenly we have a fully functioning starting 5, like we had earlier in the year for the most part, with a bench that's hitting it at all cylinders at the moment. Not much more you can ask for.

Will it be enough to get us the championship? Who knows, but we [dang] well have a very good chance to get it. We still have 2 months or so to go before the playoffs start, a lot can happen from here and there.

Well, you're not saying anything that's particularly radical.  If everything goes right - meaning this team puts it together physically and mentally - they might have a chance. 

Still, the teams in the East are a lot better this year than they were in '08, and even with the addition of Sheed and maybe Nate Robinson, you can't argue that our team is better than '08.  KG, Paul, and Ray might get healthier and start playing better than they have, but it won't be a return to the form of '08.  You can't turn back time - not on a 33 year old's knees. 

Even if everything goes right, this team will have to go on quite a run in the playoffs to have a shot at the championship.

[BBS]

Right now the C's have a hard time beating the bottomfeeders of the NBA let alone the good to average 500 clubs, foget about the Cavs. The writing is on the wall the 07 K.G. is not walking though that door. the 2010 K.G. is and he is a shadow of himself from 07. the only thing similar between the two is the mouth.
 Oh how I missed those exciting NBA draft lottery let downs. Don't you? To avoid this we must move Ray plain and simple. Holding onto Ray and just letting him come off the books will not lead to us getting anyone viable after the C's are bounced from the first or second round of the playoffs and either the Cavs or god forbid the Lakers win it all and all hell breaks loose durring free agency. MOVE RAY NOW.